| just wondering
Posted: 3/1/2005 9:50:20 AM |
hi shannanigan,
you mentioned that you don't believe in ''intelligent design'' unless aliens did it?
well, from your standpoint, if aliens did it, it would still be intelligent design, and a creation.
so if aliens did it, are they invisible to us at this point? or is there no such thing as another dimension that we have trouble perceiving? is there life after the fleshly realm we die to?
If Aliens came to Earth and said "Hey guess what... it was US! We designed your
entire existance. Big joke on you all.... hahaha."
Then I'd believe in Intelligent Design by Aliens. Until then, I think its all bunk.
I'm a fleshy girl... I like to see before believing. | |
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Msg: 27 | |
| just wondering
Posted: 3/1/2005 10:10:10 AM | shananigan,
why would you believe aliens if they said that? what if i was just a trick, like you think jesus was!
then the joke would be on you!!! hehe. just kidding. | |
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Msg: 28 | |
| just wondering
Posted: 3/1/2005 10:11:12 AM | | it, not i, sorry for the typo | |
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| just wondering
Posted: 3/1/2005 10:23:49 AM |
why would you believe aliens if they said that? what if i was just a trick, like you think jesus was!
then the joke would be on you!!! hehe. just kidding.
I have to say real live aliens would be more convincing than some guy with
long hair in a robe claiming to be the "2nd Coming".  | |
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| just wondering
Posted: 3/1/2005 10:37:11 AM | | Hard to believe any guy would come twice, huh Shann? lol | |
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Msg: 32 | |
| long robes
Posted: 3/1/2005 6:53:54 PM | well, what if the aliens had long robes on?
and claimed it was their second visit? | |
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| long robes
Posted: 3/1/2005 10:37:22 PM | To believe there is no God is like walking down a hill and coming upon a watch and at looking at the watch you claim ...wow this watch came from no where its no one's watch , thus i will take it for my own.
nature shows that all things like a watch have a maker and its no different for the universe.
Then you ask well who made God?? the very defination of God excludes this for God is being itself and needs nothing to sustain his essence or existence as created matter does.
He is as he stated to moses the GREAT I AM. meaning he is being, he is existence.
It goes against reason and logic to believe there is no God for nothing comes out of nothing as the very law of nature dictates this to our minds and beings.
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| just wondering
Posted: 3/1/2005 10:47:00 PM | By society, I was referring to the agrarian societies that replaced hunter/gatherer ones, and the advancements that settling in one place allowed to happen--including gradually improved medical care and nutrition, which allows more people to survive to child bearing age. Prior to that, I think natural selection occurred because life was so difficult that many did not survive--only those lucky enough to have random tiny genetic mutations that helpd them, and that they passed on to their offspring. That's what I was referring to there.
Excellent point on the advanced problem solving, and greed. While people are intelligent and free willed, we're also pretty greedy, and our greed is causing the destruction of the eco-system. I agree with you even about a higher power taking action--but I think that this is not a god, but the widespread consequences of our actions--in terms of climate change and widespread extinction of plant and animal species. | |
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| just wondering
Posted: 3/1/2005 10:48:36 PM | Oops, sorry. . .Craww---that post was for you.
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| long robes
Posted: 3/2/2005 7:23:35 AM | well, what if the aliens had long robes on?
and claimed it was their second visit?
Hmmm..... I might believe it then. But as
the world existed for bajillions of years before Jesus,
it still wouldn't explain the intelligent design theory.
Unless they came back 2000 years ago to drop him off.
Actually that would explain the imaculate conception theory.
Mary was actually impregnated by Aliens! Makes sense to me...
They were probably the ones who built the pyramids and made up all
those crazy Gods from Egyptian, Roman and Greek times. Then decided
to pull the old switcheroo on us and say there is only one God. Man...
Don't you people ever watch Stargate? LOL! | |
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Msg: 37 | |
| ecological system
Posted: 3/2/2005 9:23:44 AM | 808,
i didn't fully understand the statement ''but i think this is not a god but...'' can you expand a little more on that, i think i agree with you for the most part.
from what i gather, the weather is changing and natural disasters are occuring not random, or by god, but because the whole ecological system is tied together and reacting to the abuse and pollution that mankind has done and is doing to it. i believe it's a chain reaction that is going to develop and get worse. left on it's own, without mankind, it's a self fixing mechanism, but with mankinds intelligence and technology and greed, the ecological system has been so damaged that the effects of it all are starting to cause a chain reaction that is going to change life as we know it to the point where mankind can't survive on this planet unless a higer power steps in and fixes it with knowledge and powers that we don't have.
i believe that's what jesus was talking about when he mentioned the events of the last days culminating in ''his return'' or ''no flesh would be saved''.
it was an easy prediction, based on knowledge of how the ecological system works and is all tied together, even to the universe. | |
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Msg: 38 | |
| pointy glasses
Posted: 3/2/2005 9:39:00 AM | shananigan,
so, as long as aliens did it you will buy into it? hehe
your pointy glasses are a result of intelligent design, introduced to a universe and world that has been here, as you say ''bajillions of years''.
do you think it possible that some forms of life were introduced at a later time, by intelligent design, as the universe was on auto pilot? | |
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| pointy glasses
Posted: 3/2/2005 9:45:41 AM | Actually the Robe wearing Aliens came down and said to me...
"You shalt wear these Cateye Glasses. These are the one and only glasses,
You shalt not question them.... obey and you will be saved from bad eyesight."
(But please don't tell them I also wear contacts... I don't want to go to hell! ) | |
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Msg: 40 | |
| pointy glasses
Posted: 3/2/2005 9:51:52 AM | shananigan,
how come they were using old english, but recommended modern pointy glasses?
sounds suspicious to me.
did they command the lipstic too?....... well, at least they are helping you. | |
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| pointy glasses
Posted: 3/2/2005 9:57:40 AM | I believe the Aliens were trying to sound wise and omnipotent...
using old-school words like "shalt". Makes them sound more important.
The lipstick was more subconscious suggestion.... they wanted me to
feel I am making some of my own decisions, let me pretend I have some
control over my life. I think thats nice, giving me a sense of independance
and letting me think I really have a say when we all know our lives
are pre-determined by their intelligent design. Oh well....  | |
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Joined: 2/16/2005
Msg: 42 | |
| pointy glasses
Posted: 3/2/2005 10:13:52 AM | don't let that ''old shcool'' stuff fool you.
i think they are pulling your leg about our lives being pre-determined.
did they mention anything about the ''church lady'' from saturday night live?
i think they know her. | |
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| pointy glasses
Posted: 3/2/2005 10:22:00 AM | ^^^ Aren't you sick of my sarcasm yet?  | |
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| pointy glasses
Posted: 3/2/2005 10:31:44 AM | You know what is weird. I'm pretty agnostic. I don't know if there is a God or not. But I also always capitalize the name, God. And even capitalize the pronouns, He, Him, His, etc. (Please don't bash me for only using masculine pronouns. I created God out of my own image. You are free to do the same). Anyway, back on point. I don't know why I still do make these capitalizations. I think it's some combination of respect, habit, and the fact that I don't know and just in case I'm wrong, I'll cover my bases.
Now I've noticed that a lot of other people don't use these capitalizations and I'm wondering if that is because you consider the internet less formal, it's not a habit, or if it's done intentually? I'm not judging. Just wondering and trying to figure out why I still do it. | |
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| pointy glasses
Posted: 3/2/2005 10:44:52 AM | ^^^ Actually I do that too. Its out of habit.
I use God and Jesus when I swear too... also out of habit.
Not because I believe it, or because I'm trying to be intentionally
disrespectful... just happens. | |
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| ecological system
Posted: 3/3/2005 11:20:13 PM | Craww,
hmmm. . . looks like I don't need to explain what I said, because you already did it for me.
You said exactly what i meant in the phrase you questioned, when you commented:
From what i gather, the weather is changing and natural disasters are occuring not random, or by god, but because the whole ecological system is tied together and reacting to the abuse and pollution that mankind has done and is doing to it. i believe it's a chain reaction that is going to develop and get worse. left on it's own, without mankind, it's a self fixing mechanism, but with mankinds intelligence and technology and greed, the ecological system has been so damaged
I agree completely.
When i referred to something greater that is not a god, i was referring to the ecosystem of our planet, and the changes you describe. I know that this is moving the discussion away from natural selection/theism, but I think that as a people, we forget that we are not the center of everything, and that we make up a single part of a much larger ecosystem (albeit, a disproportionately destructive part). This may be because more people's lives are distanced from the environment--leaving air conditioned houses for air conditioned cars to drive to air conditioned work, for example--or because we just tend to be self-centered. i don't know.
The only difference is that I do not believe that a higher power will step in and rectify this like a parent saving an irresponsible child. I think that this is one that people have to handle this one ourselves, and that we will, but not until things change enough for more people to notice. | |
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Msg: 47 | |
| ecological system
Posted: 3/3/2005 11:50:15 PM | thanks 808,
i get it now.
i figure god is letting it run it's couse to show all free-willed creatures what happens with greed on the loose. i think it will go all the way to broke. | |
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