| over 50 and going-on-16 first date with horn dog
Posted: 6/28/2006 2:00:05 AM | Groping against your will, especially if you tell the guy "No", then it is sexual assault, and it is illegal in Canada. My play would be to holler & kick & push. He CAN be charged.
JMHO
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| over 50 and going-on-16 first date with horn dog
Posted: 6/28/2006 9:52:58 AM |
Concealed weapons worn on the lapel of your garment in full view isn't concealed, and noticed an officials who didn't think it to be a problem. I work with an international embassy, when I travel internationally. Who I am and want I do is on record.
My previous post indicated that the OPP gave a seminar telling women to use whatever force necessary to get away from an attacker. No where in this thread has anyone suggested us becoming the attacker. I don't see what this has to do with the topic. Sorry you misunderstood.
I did not misunderstand anything and wish you'd stop trying to tell me what I don't understand. This thread is about figuring out what to do about a 'horn dog' Maybe it's you that doesn't understand.
Telling a grooper to hit the pike, getting away from him, is self defense. Carrying a pin that could be used as a weapon and stating that you would inflict great pain with it shows premeditation of using it as a weapon.
If the air guards at the gate could see the length of the pin attached to your lapel (which was probably concealed), they should have known that it could have been used as a weapon and confiscated it.
Yes, any woman has the right to protect themselves against a groper and the groper is liable to charges if you say no and he persists. However, retaliating with deadly force to unwanted advances will land you in jail.
If a man tried to put his arm around you and you decide that makes it OK to jab him in the eye. You'll claim he assulted you and he'll claim you assulted him. You'll show no signs of physical harm and the police will see his wounds from your hat pin or 'kill butt SUV'
In court you will have to prove he assulted you and what will you have to prove it but your word. He on the other hand, will show the judge the medical records of his injuries.
There's an after hours club where I live. 3 Guys and a girl went outside the club to share a bottle. One of the men was making advances to the woman and she pulled a knife out of her purse and cut the guy's neck. His 2 friends jumped in to pull her off and both were wonded in trying.
She's now in prison for attempted murder, and 3 counts of aggravated assult with a deadly weapon, a 2 inch pocket knife. | |
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| over 50 and going-on-16 first date with horn dog
Posted: 6/28/2006 10:32:29 AM | | I'm not in prison for assault. There was a witness to his attack and my counter. No, a man making a play and who will accept no doesn't deserve to be injured, but when a man or woman finds themselves the object of an aggresive attack, they have every right to defend themselves. | |
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| over 50 and going-on-16 first date with horn dog
Posted: 6/28/2006 11:51:20 AM |
There was a witness to his attack and my counter. No, a man making a play and who will accept no doesn't deserve to be injured, but when a man or woman finds themselves the object of an aggresive attack, they have every right to defend themselves.
Having that witness is key to proving you were attacked.
Yes someone being attacked absolutely has the right to defend themselves. However, you can only use lethal force if you reasonably percieve you may die in the attack and you can use non lethal force to escape a non leathal attack. | |
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| over 50 and going-on-16 first date with horn dog
Posted: 7/4/2006 2:55:22 PM |
Groping might be a criminal offense. Maybe someone should look into it.
Mori, anytime another person lays a hand on you without your express consent, it is considered assault here in Canada. On the other side of the coin, I don't see too many guys admitting to having been the recipient of such rude behavior, but it happens. Why can't everyone respect the right of everyone else, regardless of their sex? | |
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| over 50 and going-on-16 first date with horn dog
Posted: 7/6/2006 12:21:23 AM | Muskoka said........"I don't care what the men say here....if they want my phone number, my private email address, my home address etc..........it's NOT HAPPENING until I feel secure and they prove themselves to be worthy of it. A lady can't be too careful. How do you know they're not writing from some maximum security facility?
I know they've disappeared into cyberspace because I wouldn't provide this info, but oh well, better safe than sorry."
The very first day I joined this site, I had this guy contact me and we emailed back and forth a couple of very short msgs. He asked if he could talk to me by IM's. I told him I don't have much luck with IM's, but I could give him a phone number that he could call me on. I told him I didn't mind giving it out because it wasn't my home number. Since I live alone, I have to really be careful. You just never know if that stranger is a pervert or ax murderer. I explained that once I get to know someone, I don't mind giving out my home number, but am concerned about giving it out to strangers.
He wrote back and said....."No thanks, I don't want to have anything to do with anyone that's afraid of their own shadow. Hope you eventually find someone." I was so shocked, I didn't really know what to say. I wrote back and said......"No problem!"
This was a big man....over 200 lbs. It really unnerved me and I almost got off the site as quickly as I got on. But, decided surely to goodness all men aren't like this. I've also noticed that he's never on any of the forums. Hmmm! Since then, I've met some really nice people that I consider friends. Glad I stayed!  Kat | |
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| over 50 and going-on-16 first date with horn dog
Posted: 7/6/2006 3:21:03 AM | No thanks, I don't want to have anything to do with anyone that's afraid of their own shadow.
WOW, talk about a guy who's has half a brain & is rude. I question if they live at the bottom of the gene pool? Doesn't he read the papers, doesn't he get it? Doesn't he understand that a lady can't be too careful these days? Does he have a picture posted with or without his prison garb on?
In the course of the past couple of months, I've had a couple of men contact me with this same inane attitude. Or, they stop communicating when I ask to see their picture. They're still here on this site.They don't participate in the forums either, but I wonder if they stalk them looking for the vulnerable women? I call them " THE INVISIBLE MEN"
I've been contacted by "true gentlemen" who are sincerely interested in how comfortable & safe I feel too. A true gentleman does not put you down for being cautious. And, there are plenty of gentlemen out there.
So, I try to trust my intuition......
I'm glad you stayed too. There are great people here.
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| over 50 and going-on-16 first date with horn dog
Posted: 7/6/2006 3:48:22 AM | Not funny.
He went there with EXPECTATIONS.
Yanno, the only expectation I ever have is a smile back from the person I'm sitting across from or next to. I want to make ya laugh and have a good time. Once the comfort level settles in.. and you are laughing...then I EXPECT (or hope) that you'll want a second date. Mind bind first...the body will follow...what's the rush ?
BUT.....I've also been accused of being too nice a guy. Where do we draw the line?
I want a long term relationship. The first thing I ask for and give is RESPECT. Thats where I draw the line. I want your's and I want to respect you. How could anyone SAYING they want a long term relationship...DISRESPECT the woman they are courting?? DUH
Just this mans opinion. :-)
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| over 50 and going-on-16 first date with horn dog
Posted: 7/6/2006 11:07:32 AM | i don't want you to feel alone... so here goes
i met a man on a dating site when i lived in ohio.... seems we went to high school together and he was a football jock at the time... a few years older than me, and so i never paid attention to him....apparently my father thought the sun rose and set in this guy for his football talent. but i didn't care...
so we decide to go on a date.
up to this point in chatting and talking over the telephone he was decent toward me and very respectful. and oh, agreeable too... like he liked and disliked most everythng i do.. i thought that we had a lot in common LMAO!!!!
i spend extra time getting ready, so that i look just right. go to his house....
he looks like he's ready to mow the lawn....?? it appeared he did comb his hair... the outfit was appalling.
ok so i excuse that (sorta) and we get into his vehicle. it is FILTHY and has enough dirt on the floor to pot a 14" houseplant! argh!!
so i thought it wasn't going very well.
we are driving to the restaurant and he starts telling me about his internet girlfriend and how she moved in about 2 weeks after they met RED FLAG!!!
he never mentioned this before at all.....ok whatever...
we are in the restaurant and he tells me how wonderful and fantastic and great he is and what a marvelous husband he was all his life, and it got so monotonous hearing ALL ABOUT HIM!
the next thing i know, he is talking about my BOOBS! and how he didn't remember them quite so large? then he tries to touch them in the restaruant???
so i had to get up and leave. 
he had no concept of WHY?
amen to that..... never saw him again... (thank you God!)
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| over 50 and going-on-16 first date with horn dog
Posted: 7/6/2006 12:25:45 PM | | Hey Capt Joe.......just had to check your profile to see where you are. DARN.......too far away from Florida to meet for a cup of coffee. Ladies.......check him out.......he sounds like a winner! Kat | |
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| over 50 and going-on-16 first date with horn dog
Posted: 7/6/2006 12:39:24 PM |
I want a long term relationship. The first thing I ask for and give is RESPECT. Thats where I draw the line. I want your's and I want to respect you. How could anyone SAYING they want a long term relationship...DISRESPECT the woman they are courting?? DUH
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| over 50 and going-on-16 first date with horn dog
Posted: 7/6/2006 3:14:53 PM | .
Mori, anytime another person lays a hand on you without your express consent, it is considered assault here in Canada. Wow! Glad I never wander over to Canada anymore. I’d probably be arrested within the afternoon.
Using your criteria, I “assaulted” two women just this afternoon.
Down in the common area of the building, a woman was carrying a lot of packages and tripped because of the stupid sandals she was wearing. Without first asking her, I grabbed both her and a couple of her packages. And a big, heavy handed grab it was, too. LOL
Outside, a cute gal was walking across the driveway while daydreaming about something when a car came around the corner a little too fast. Yep, I had my hands on her, too, without first asking permission -- quickly jerked her backwards.
Neither person accused me of assault. Rather, in both cases, I heard a little “thank you” as I was walking away.
As far as giving out personal information goes, I have the full name, telephone number and address of every woman I have ever met. That has never been a problem because, as far as I know, they also have mine. That’s just the way things are done in my world.
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| over 50 and going-on-16 first date with horn dog
Posted: 7/6/2006 3:24:52 PM | | dbndon - it has to be sexual or injurious in nature not just a touch or I would be arrested when I talk to people. We also have a Good Smaritan law where you cannot be sued by someone you helped say in an accident setting - say one of those women said you twisted her neck when helping her and caused her whiplash - she could not sue you here | |
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| over 50 and going-on-16 first date with horn dog
Posted: 7/6/2006 6:38:31 PM | dbldon
We Canadians ARE NOT as ignorant as you're making us out to be.
Re: wandering over to Canada.
Nor, are Canadian men being arrested for assault if he is rescuing a Canadian woman from peril or preventing her from falling and hurting herself.
You have just offended the intelligence of many a Canadian, man or woman with your diatribe.
And I think it was totally unnecessary on this forum.
I repeat "a true gentleman does not put a lady down for being cautious."
So, if some guy emails me for the "first time" and says " Hiya Babe, how are you. Give me your phone number and I'll call ya"......I HAVE A PROBLEM.
And, he's not getting any of my personal information.
THAT'S THE WAY THINGS ARE DONE IN MY WORLD !!
If there are a few messages back and forth and I feel safe then I give out personal details but NOT BEFORE!!!......... I feel safe.
So, aren't you lucky you've never had a problem.....SO WHAT'S YOUR POINT?
I'D REALLY LIKE TO KNOW AND I'M SURE SOME OTHER WOMEN WOULD LIKE TO KNOW TOO, EVEN THE WOMEN ON YOUR SIDE OF THE BORDER.
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| over 50 and going-on-16 first date with horn dog
Posted: 7/6/2006 7:25:20 PM | | Growing up in NYC, all of us girls (my sister, my cousins) used the subway system to get around. School, friends' houses, you name it. Hat pins were de rigeur - we all had one pinned on the inside of our jacket or shirt. We weren't trying to inflict deadly harm on anyone, but we certainly knew how to discourage a groper with a quick little jab when we had to. | |
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| over 50 and going-on-16 first date with horn dog
Posted: 7/7/2006 12:49:53 AM | .
Whispers:
You’re right, of course, and I surely know that. But, I had to jerk that guy’s chain for saying stuff like that. 
Just took a two day trip to Montréal to see relatives. All is cool North of me. LOL
Except, do you know that they expect me to have a passport to fly in now? But I can drive there with no ID whatsoever. Strange new rule! I’ll be mentioning that to my political type friends there the next time we correspond.
Excuse me a second, Whispers. This is “other” business:
Now . . . as for the one who talks to me like I’m some type of nut case: Get a life woman! Being nasty gets you nowhere. Try to be polite. I’m probably one of the easiest guys to talk with on the site. But, I do not respond to nasty, unfounded rhetoric. I’m betting two things are fact: I’ve visited more of your country than you have and I personally know many more sitting politicians there than you do. Label me as you wish, I don’t care. I’ll just laugh cause others have already done better.
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| over 50 and going-on-16 first date with horn dog
Posted: 7/7/2006 4:34:26 AM | Whispers:
Please, please, please....I say politely........since you have such an "IN".....
Could you say something to all those sitting politicians you know..... about " INCREASING the penalties" for men who committ CRIMES & VIOLENCE against women. e.g. assault, rape, sodomy, wife-beating, disfigurement & murder to name a few? Oh, and while you're at it could you mention the CRIMES AGAINST children too?
P.S. I have a life and I want to keep it, so I'll continue to be cautious. Thanks anyway.
I'm not interested in entering into a pissing contest about it. No thanks.
People around here know I'm not a "nasty" ...Now, now ....No need for name-calling. I'm just maintaining my right to an opinion. Thank you very much.
You don't "need to jerk anyone's chain for saying stuff like that" Guess what? They're entitled to an opinion too.
But, I do have a problem when a man doesn't take this issue seriously.....including the sitting politicians. So, LAUGH AWAY, that's your perogative.
WOULD THAT BE POLITE ENOUGH FOR YOU?
Now let's let everyone get back to the regularly scheduled forum....Over 50 and going on first date with a horn-dog....Would that horn dog be a man or a woman? | |
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| over 50 and going-on-16 first date with horn dog
Posted: 7/7/2006 4:54:12 AM | HUH? What did I do or say? I didn't say I have an "IN" with anyone - hey if you are going to flame me - could it please at least be for something I have really done or said.
Darn Dbndon - you were only 1.5 hrs away - if you ever make it up to Ottawa some day, let me know, I'll buy you lunch.  I like your style!
To everyone else the written word can often be misinterperted as harsher than intended - it helps to read what you say objectively and perhaps soften it as required, so as not to sound like an attack......politeness leads to better discussions and friendliness is free.
Back OP - I take precautions when meeting someone like everyone one else - it's just common sense, and I don't care if you are a man or a woman. I have seen women that I wouldn't like to meet in a darkened alley. Am I insecure or paranoid for taking these precautions - no, I just call it common sense. In my day it was a roll of nickels we carried for protection, not to mention you always had the change for a phone call then | |
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| over 50 and going-on-16 first date with horn dog
Posted: 7/7/2006 4:56:27 AM | To the Op .... Once again yet another example of men on the internet who feel women that post are easy or loose . I'm sorry you encountered that type of behavior.Plenty of them on here too .
Next time keep the date out in public to avoid any unpleasent encounters | |
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