| Arrogance and pollititical views
Posted: 6/29/2006 8:17:46 AM | | I've seen just as much sanctimony from the left as I've seen from the right. Add the two together and they still equal less than a whole. | |
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| Arrogance and pollititical views
Posted: 6/29/2006 8:38:11 AM | I am just curious as to what this supposedly “very respectful and classy” message you sent him said, if it prompted him to call it “kumbaya stupidity!!”. Never bothered to mention that part.
Also, reporting someone for a message like that is completely over reacting. Geez! That promotes the negative stereotype of the liberals always screaming about nothing. He/she who complains the loudest usually has the weakest argument. | |
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| Arrogance and pollititical views
Posted: 6/29/2006 10:45:07 AM | Also, reporting someone for a message like that is completely over reacting. Geez! That promotes the negative stereotype of the liberals always screaming about nothing. He/she who complains the loudest usually has the weakest argument.
Good point
Expecting others, usually the government, to solve your problems for you is a typical liberal response to hurt feelings. | |
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Posted: 6/29/2006 11:24:46 AM | "Also, reporting someone for a message like that is completely over reacting."
You think so? As far as I am concerned, calling people names is a verbal abuse and that site has rules, 2 of them: no verbal abuse and respectful treatment. Calling someone stupid doesn't
apply as either.
As for my message to him, I always talk to people with respect because I am a kind person,
this is what it said (but of course you will find something wrong with it judging by your hostile state of shallow mind:
"I read your profile and found it interesting. I hope we could talk and
get to know each other and maybe just be friends as I am in a very close
proximity to the city of your residence.
Thank you. Have a nice day." | |
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Posted: 6/29/2006 1:51:30 PM | In a previous post, someone wrote, “Don't discuss politics or religion, seems these two subjects will cause so many hot discussions, and conclusions very seldom are reached.” Although I tend to agree with the poster, I also realize that it is an efficient way to ferret out a person’s true character.
Consider this, does the person you are discussing politics or religion with listen to what you say and respond to it in an intelligent manner or do they launch a personal attack? Obviously, if it is the latter, you can discontinue the discussion and be thankful that you did not waste too much time interacting with someone who has little or no social skills.
The lesson to be learned from the above is that, at some point in a relationship, there will be disagreements. Although it is important to resolve the disagreement, it is also important for parties to the disagreement to treat each other with respect | |
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Posted: 6/29/2006 1:59:45 PM | Thanks for starting this thread...
because of it.. someone in my area contacted me
and we have a whole bunch besides this topic in common.
Another liberal in Texas...
who is not from this area...
a female.... my age... in my city...
can you imagine?
thanks op, good topic | |
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| Arrogance and pollititical views
Posted: 6/29/2006 2:02:03 PM | | Hey lets make love not war- if your ever in chicago I'll let you stay with me for free- no sore feelings, plus you'll love chicago lots of liberals here! | |
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| Arrogance and pollititical views
Posted: 6/29/2006 3:10:08 PM | | Personally I would avoid dating anybody with passionate attitude towards ... hmmm... politics or religion or similar. I like to talk about politics at work and on forum but I prefer to rest at home and talk about other kind of issues. No matter whether the person would share my opinions (that would be even boring :) A bit debate is always good.) | |
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| Arrogance and pollititical views
Posted: 6/29/2006 5:41:21 PM | | Yeah, don't go to either extreme. I wonder, OP... If this occurred on another dating site, why bring it up here? Just to stir up a little debate, or...? | |
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Posted: 6/29/2006 7:05:55 PM | You want to see me foam at the mouth?
Just say that you agree that an editor has the authority to declassify information. legally classified information
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| Arrogance and pollititical views
Posted: 6/29/2006 7:33:38 PM | | cogs6969, sounds good, love is much better than war :-) As for Chicago, I might take you up on it considering I am Polish :-) | |
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| Arrogance and pollititical views
Posted: 6/29/2006 8:01:41 PM | Hmmm, well I am in between liberal and conservative but I lean much more towards the conservative side. However, liberal does not necessarily mean open. "Liberal" refers to one set of views, "conservative" refers to another set of views. If you meet and talk to any educated conservative, you'll see that.
The literal dictionary terms may mean conservative = close-minded, liberal = open-minded, but that isn't the case these days, not by a long shot.
I've seen many, many "liberals" who are some of the most blinded, narrow-minded people out there, and the same with conservatives.
IMO, there are very few educated liberals or conservatives because if there were, they wouldn't need so much to hate each other. An educated liberal and an educated conservative will discuss with each other why they disagree on their views and present sensible arguments, and debunk myths about each other.
Conservatives are NOT all a bunch of narrow-minded Bible thumpers who believe all homosexuals are going to hell and that abortion is illegal, etc...and liberals aren't all a bunch of hippies either.
soulmate4you, you say you are liberal, yet then you say that the examples of, what, two people, "prove" to you your point on how the direction the country is going? That's kind of narrow-minded right there, don't you think? If you are liberal, you should be more open-minded. | |
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Posted: 6/30/2006 11:35:02 AM | I have strong views concerning arrogant pompous asses with holier than thou attitudes, or rude obnoxious people. Being the quiet shy type I am not, I will challenge most anyone if the mood strikes me when meeting this type of individual either here or in life.
Have a wonderful long weekend everyone. | |
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Posted: 6/30/2006 11:56:32 AM | i just would like to point out to the OP
that you quoted yourself to be arrogant
I am sooo proud of being liberal and better person than this jerk.
just love ppl these days
go save a starving child
that is all | |
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Posted: 6/30/2006 1:04:59 PM | Political views are how you see the world in some respects. They make up alot of our own political philosiphies. It was better he was up front with you. Not the additude he took on it however that was sort of rude.
If it were me responding I would have wrote something like this.
"I'm sorry that I don't think we could work out our own personal views on the world. You are too far to the left for my personal tastes. I'm afraid we would disagree on too many POV items."
And to the writer of this
look in the dictonary
liberal- open
conservative- closed
That phrase in itself seems very closed minded. I've always found that no side of any opinion argument is 100% right and the other is 100% wrong. The truth lies in the middle.
harvey | |
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Posted: 6/30/2006 1:42:35 PM | [rant]
The problem here is socio-political elitism. I register independant and vote what I want to vote. This so I can say honestly say I vote how I want to vote. I think Bush is an absolute moron that needs to be impeached. Does this make me anti-republican? Ask a republican and he'll say yes. Then tell him/her that I believe this country needs somebody like Guiliani or Reagan again and he'll short circuit. This shows that I'm not anti-republican I'm simply anti-waste of human flesh.
I've met and spoken to Guiliani on a couple occasions and I can honestly say that I would vote for him without question. Do I agree with him completely? Not at all. Do I think he would be good for this country? Most certainly.
On the flip side I have to say that I am far to left for the right and far too right for the oleft yes... republicans would call me a communist and democrats will call me a facsist. Either way. They only make themselves look like fools in doing so. I think this comes from my Scottish heritage and family name... family motto is actually the username of one of the above posters ;) I'll let y'all figure it out from there 
I vote for what keeps this land free. I vote for what keeps our ability to have closed minded morons on all sides untouched. I vote to not have our constitution and/or flag s(p/h)it on. I love this country. I will die to defend it. As long as I am actually defending OUR COUNTRY. And not the bank accounts of people in D.C.
I hear all the time people saying "you gripe so much then leave" Why do you think I gripe? Because we're going to hell in a handbasket and this country can be, and was at one time, so much better than this. I'm not leaving. Never will. If I did it would be one less voice trying to get us back in the right direction.
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In the words of the great philosphers... "thank you for you're support" | |
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Posted: 6/30/2006 10:47:35 PM | Thanks prolibertate, you are absolutely right. I have respect for all beliefs and all people
and would never be rude to someone because of it. It takes a real jerk to be so arrogant
and obnoxious and yes, they come in all colors, shapes and beliefs.
I'm quite conservative, both economically and politically ... but that has nothing to do with being close-minded. And personally, I generally perfer to date people from the left .... it's much more entertaining when you both watch the news together :-)
I still think that liberal people are a little more open minded than religious fanatical right wing conservatives
like this guy.
You're absolutly right ..... and it would be just as correct to say that a conservative would be more open minded than a fanatical left wing socialist.
The key word here is "fanatical" | |
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Posted: 6/30/2006 10:54:26 PM |
mister_right may not realize it but he has just helped the OP to slam her point home with very little effort. Brilliant.
Calling mister_right an example of conservative thought is like calling The National Enquirer a shining example of print journalism | |
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Posted: 6/30/2006 11:01:27 PM |
look in the dictonary
liberal- open
conservative- closed
I'd love to know which dictionary you're using. Here's mine ..... and there is nothing in *either* definition about being open or closed minded.
lib·er·al Audio pronunciation of "liberal" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (lbr-l, lbrl)
adj.
1.
1. Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
2. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.
3. Of, relating to, or characteristic of liberalism.
4. Liberal Of, designating, or characteristic of a political party founded on or associated with principles of social and political liberalism, especially in Great Britain, Canada, and the United States.
2.
1. Tending to give freely; generous: a liberal benefactor.
2. Generous in amount; ample: a liberal serving of potatoes.
3. Not strict or literal; loose or approximate: a liberal translation.
4. Of, relating to, or based on the traditional arts and sciences of a college or university curriculum: a liberal education.
5.
1. Archaic. Permissible or appropriate for a person of free birth; befitting a lady or gentleman.
2. Obsolete. Morally unrestrained; licentious.
And conservative:
con·ser·va·tive Audio pronunciation of "conservative" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (kn-sûrv-tv)
adj.
1. Favoring traditional views and values; tending to oppose change.
2. Traditional or restrained in style: a conservative dark suit.
3. Moderate; cautious: a conservative estimate.
4.
1. Of or relating to the political philosophy of conservatism.
2. Belonging to a conservative party, group, or movement.
5. Conservative Of or belonging to the Conservative Party in the United Kingdom or the Progressive Conservative Party in Canada.
6. Conservative Of or adhering to Conservative Judaism.
7. Tending to conserve; preservative: the conservative use of natural resources.
n.
1. One favoring traditional views and values.
2. A supporter of political conservatism.
3. Conservative A member or supporter of the Conservative Party in the United Kingdom or the Progressive Conservative Party in Canada.
4. Archaic. A preservative agent or principle.
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| Arrogance and pollititical views
Posted: 6/30/2006 11:27:07 PM | Everybody is liberal.....conservatives have issues and some serious shit went down
in their lives for them to have become this way. "conservatism" isn't a belief system as
it is more a mental condition. I sincerely believe this.
http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&call_pageid=971358637177&c=Article&cid=1142722231554
A new study bears this out. Essentially it states that those who declare themselves
as conservatives are very insecure, intolerant and frightened individuals. This suggests
a developmental retardation in their early years.
The study is from Berkley and is worth reading. The above a link that'll take you
there. BTW you won't find this study mentioned in any right-wing media reports
for obvious reasons.
The conservatives will no doubt scream it's all a lie.......they will
WHINE. But, actually the whining is a trait which is also examined in the study. | |
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Posted: 7/3/2006 1:56:20 AM | vivid,
Interesting link, food for thought.
"...the work suggests that personality and emotions play a bigger role in our political leanings than we think. All of us, liberal or conservative, feel as though we've reached our political opinions by carefully weighing the evidence and exercising our best judgment. But it could be that all of that careful reasoning is just after-the-fact self-justification. What if personality forms our political outlook, with reason coming along behind, rationalizing after the fact?
It could be that whom we vote for has less to do with our judgments about tax policy or free trade or health care, and more with the personalities we've been stuck with since we were kids.
Interesting indeed... too bad it's out of Berkley... prepare for the onslaught! | |
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Posted: 7/3/2006 3:32:06 AM | Everybody is liberal.....conservatives have issues and some serious shit went down
in their lives for them to have become this way. "conservatism" isn't a belief system as
it is more a mental condition. I sincerely believe this.
It may be just me, but that sounds a lot like the arrogance you claim to be hearing so much from the right.
First, from the article itself:
Block admits in his paper that liberal Berkeley is not representative of the whole country. But within his sample, he says, the results hold.
Of course the results hold WITHIN HIS SAMPLE - by definition, it's a closed system, which means the results will be invariant. D'uh!
A new study bears this out. Essentially it states that those who declare themselves
as conservatives are very insecure, intolerant and frightened individuals. This suggests
a developmental retardation in their early years.
You misread the article - I don't know if it was deliberate or not. What the article DID say was that those who were insecure as children were MORE LIKELY to grow up conservative. That does NOT mean that all conservatives were insecure children. It is not a reflexive relationship.
BTW you won't find this study mentioned in any right-wing media reports
for obvious reasons
One of those obvious reasons is that it doesn't really say anything. Insecure kids crave stability - there's a surprise. Conservativism, by definition, values tradition, and is against change just for the sake of change. So they grow up to be conservatives - ANOTHER surprise.
It's not reported because there's no news there.
People, generally, tend to become more conservative as they grow older. There is a saying - if you're not a liberal when you're young, you have no heart - if you're not a conservative when you're old, you have no brain.
This study followed the children for 2 decades - that's 20 years. Assuming that they were 5 when the study started, that would make them about 25 now. That demographic is overwhelmingly liberal, so the majority of the conservatives would, in fact, be the insecure children mentioned in the study.
Now - follow that same group for another 20 years, untill they hit their mid-40s. A much HIGHER percentage of them will be conservative. Follow them again, untill they're in their mid-60s, and you'll find them in the middle of a demographic that is more conservative than the 20s are liberal.
The study in that article isn't a lie - it just doesn't prove what you are trying to claim that it's proving. And not only does it NOT prove what you claim, it doesn't even *address* it.
But then again, maybe I'm just acquiring a brain as I approach senility :-) | |
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Posted: 7/3/2006 3:39:37 AM |
Interesting indeed... too bad it's out of Berkley... prepare for the onslaught!
Actually, I DID find it interesting - there's a lot of good that's come out of Berkley .... if you're willing to ignore LSD and Unix :-)
I have absolutly zero problems with the study, or what it found. My problem is how people who don't understand how studies like that work will interpret it - as you can see by my previous post. | |
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| Arrogance and pollititical views
Posted: 7/3/2006 5:48:22 AM | Never trust anyone who blindly follows any party line. That goes for both extremes of the political spectrum. They are sheep, or puppets, can't think for themselves, are so easily munipulated.
Anyway, I've seen a lot of left wing and right wing extremists whose actions lead you to believe they were last in line when the brains were passed out. lol. | |
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