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| Non-Religious Person dating a Jehovah's Witness
Posted: 7/20/2008 10:22:01 AM | James you state quote'
Bottom line, The JW's are taught that this is the only way to heaven - - - if you are not with them you are doomed to hell. "
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I have to add, you are 100% feeding out total lies that hold no merit. Not one witness on the planet would agree with what you just stated, so bottom line, you area liar and a gossip and one who spreads bad untruths and horrible slanderous rumors. | |
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| Non-Religious Person dating a Jehovah's Witness
Posted: 7/20/2008 12:06:35 PM | | To add to hers, James, ask any Witness out there or actually do some research.... Witnesses do not at all believe they are going to heaven. They believe that will live happily forever right here on Earth. and the basis for this faith is found at Revelation 21: 3-5 So again, look it up and listen to those of us on here who either grew up in the faith for are actually affiliated with it. And stop pretending you are the source of all this knowledge. | |
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Posted: 7/20/2008 1:39:12 PM | bible based - - - it is their version of the bible and many things are taken out of context.
and the JW's have to have the Ruling Body translate the bible for them as we are all to dumb to read and understand the bible - - - as it was written in code - - - see early Studies in Scriptures. - - - - - and why we needed to buy and read it - - -
and many parts of the bible are not covered in the studies for a good reason.
and yes, I have been around it and have seen it and looked at the past and what they say.
The facts about number of members that leave is not stated, The number of failed marriages is the same or higher than the general population. Suicide rate is higher than the general population.
many members try to skirt the regulations - - Ok this is not a birthday party for my son as I am having it two days after his birthday so this is just a normal party as they try to have a normal life while still being a JW.
and what about Jesus saying come directly to me. - - - - -
JW's are trying to say that Jesus said put no other before me. - - - true he did - - but he was talking about other God's and not simply a child's birthday. and by the way was not part of the JW's in the beginning. - - - only later - - -
guess what the more that the JW's but these types of requirements upon the members, the more they get looked at as funny and questioned and put down - - - and the spin is that proves that we are "in the end of the times" - - - so we need to prepare - - - -
in the 70's they tried to say - - no Valentines, no yearly celebration of your marriage. - - as this was putting yourself before God. When the divorce rate shot up - the JW's backed off on this position - - - - in what they called new enlightenment.
I speak what I know - - most of this you do not know or realize. - - - you claim it is not true - how can it be true - - - This is not the religion that I see - - - - but it is - - - - They are very good and hiding the past- -- explaining away the past - -
I have a question for you - -- - How does the ruling body get it's direction and guidance?
be careful when you ask this question as you might not like the answer and the resulting questions that will follow in your mind - - - - - I have seen JW documents where they say that the leader got his direction and guidance from Spirits in his dreams. - - - - Does GOD use Spirits or the Devil,
Now of course - - they have to make the religion look good and promising - - to draw people in - - - -
Just like the Black Panthers did in the late 60's and 70's - - lots of social work, helping the homeless etc. - - - all the while collecting donations and weapons for the take over of America. Yes, I knew a woman that was involved, she talked about what fun it was to out to the woods and shot the automatic rifles - - - the Black Panthers came showing good works and then slowly the other side of them showed up - - - - the militant side - - and she ran and left the group.
I did not like the fear aspect of if others in the group did not like what you were doing - - If I was not meeting their standard of belief and way of living - - I risked being DF. You call it cleansing of the faith. - - - - I call it making sure that only the leaders way is considered. Hiding in the dark, not allowing questions that they might not like to be
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Independent research - - - simply does not happen in the JW world - - they feed what you are to read and study - - they give you so much that you do not have the time and energy to think beyond what they want you to know.
I have been there - - - I have seen this - - - - - I see the spin that they put on things.
Now I am not faulting the followers - - but the leaders that are doing this - - - The elders that know better - - - -
I lead a honest and true life - - I do not have to put on a show for a church group - - of any type and then go and do as I want - -- - - - have Christmas a couple of days later so it is not really Christmas - - - - ah - - give me a break - - -
I believe that GOD wants people that are true to themselves, Honest in their hearts. Are not tempted by false profits and leaders claiming to be with GOD, we see this all the time do we not - - - I believe as in the bible - - the angels have powers, untold powers, GOD wants people that have the ability to control and handle these types of powers - - This requires a strength of mind, a knowledge of yourself. GOD does not want a show - - in church or at the Hall, or to others - - while being an other way. This is called trying to buy your way to heaven. Heaven is not for Sale, that has been stated over and over in the bible - in many ways. - - - - -
In all of this I strive everyday to become - - but as a human and only one was ever perfect, I only strive for this - - - in this I do not need a ruling body that goes against what Jesus said many times - - - Come directly to me.
I just can not feel that having a birthday party for your child is in any way taking anything from GOD. Nor, celebrating with your wife one more year together. A relationship that is bound in GOD's eyes and encouraged by GOD to have these types of relationships.
(this was against policy time frame of the 60's and 70's - - they ruling body also tried to say now to make love - - - and had to back off on that)
I refuse to have others put Guilt upon me - - to make me behave as they desire - - - GOD does not do this - - - it is man's use of GOD's name to put forth control of the flock - - - to build the church. Some religions do this more than others. - - -
The JW's put a lot of guilt upon the members, - - - any thoughts that are different than what they teach, or say, means you are not one of the true faith - - so you try harder and harder to find that true faith - - - even if you have questions, for these questions are signs that you do not have true faith and are not one of the true believers that will get a place in heaven - - Oh right those are all taken by the first true believers. And now you get to be a ruling person - - of a section of this planet for 1000 years instead. Sorry about miss speaking before about this - - - -
I find that most people are not able to be the leader or have the skills to be so. So here comes the comments of GOD will change me so that I will be able to. If GOD could change us this easy. Why does he need to be selective? - - he can simply change any of us - - - - Robbers, Murders, etc. - - - -
I do not believe that GOD simply wants sheep to blindly follow him as so many religions try to have us believe. Too many parts of the bible, do not say that. | |
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| Non-Religious Person dating a Jehovah's Witness
Posted: 7/20/2008 2:00:55 PM | | I think you all need to find out what Jehovah's witnesses stand for... They are loving kind people doing Jehovah's will. Many of you need to look into them instead of putting Jehovah's witnesses down... And Pandora I think you should find out all you can about Jehovah's witnesses you might benefitt from it. | |
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| Non-Religious Person dating a Jehovah's Witness
Posted: 7/20/2008 2:13:00 PM | You have great questions, and they all can be answered, I would suggest the next time they visit you ask them the same questions , they will show you the correct accurracy of their true belief to everyone of your comments.
For example.. They do not need to use their bible they will use yours if you prefer.
so that is
1) - you are not informed properly.
2) most of the holidays you refer to are pagan customs- do you think the True God wants satans smut in his worship - hardly!!!... | |
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| Non-Religious Person dating a Jehovah's Witness
Posted: 7/20/2008 2:13:11 PM | | all I can say is run as fast as you can....but if your into haveing his religion control your every though and action.....then go for it...second though run away..... | |
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| Non-Religious Person dating a Jehovah's Witness
Posted: 7/20/2008 2:56:06 PM | Minor points - - - - compared to all that I have said.
a minor point and you claim that I am not right - - - -
Yes some of the holidays were taken over from Roman holidays.
This was done back then so as to not conflict and cause problems
Valentines - - - is still a symbol of love to one and other - - - -
what is wrong with that - - - - Only the JW's will complain.
So what is your problem. - - - - -
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| Non-Religious Person dating a Jehovah's Witness
Posted: 7/20/2008 3:08:09 PM | Hi I read your email about dating a jehovahs witness
I too was ajehovahs witness and met a guy who wasnt yrs ago....
honestly i tnever really worked..... he was not religious and i was...
a true jehovahs witness have strong beliefs..... they dont celebrate anything.....
like birthdays , xmas, etc.... they dont believe in blood transfusions....
they dont smoke..... which i s a good thing....and if u celebrate all these things it can cause conflicts.... not putting up a tree at xmas when he wants one....can be difficult.
thye ha ve meetings 3 times a week...they have assemblies 3 times or 4 times a yr....
just thought id pass this on to u.....I am no longer a jehovahs witness,,,,because i couldnt be true to it enough..... but I do believe it is the right religion.....
I just couldnt commit to the faith..... soi fu really love him maybe it will work....
and if ur beliefs are the same....
goo dluck
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| Non-Religious Person dating a Jehovah's Witness
Posted: 7/20/2008 4:11:20 PM | I had a neighbor/good friend who was a practicing JW, and her husband was raised Lutheran but no longer actively practiced. They did actually divorce once early on, but not for religious reasons, and they remarried many years ago, soon after the split. They've had their bumps along the way as all marriages do, but I don't believe any of those were related to her being a JW. They've worked through them together and to this day have one of the strongest, most loving marriages I've seen.
I think it really depends on two things: First, what other major compatibility factors do they have in their favor? If this is the only area of major difference, the foundation is much stronger to work on this one. Second is whether they believe the success of such a union is possible, and then that they are committed to maintaining respect for each others' views, even if they don't agree.
As far as those major match factors go, I do think this is one is huge, but I don't think it necessarily has to be a deal-breaker if it's the only obstacle to an otherwise great match - which would include similar basic values. | |
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| Non-Religious Person dating a Jehovah's Witness
Posted: 7/20/2008 5:25:27 PM |
So what is your problem. - - - - -
Jim P.
My problem is that your facts are inacurate. And you are not even willing to conceed that you may be even close to wrong. remember just a few hundred years ago people on this planet believed the earth was flat, and anyone who thought differently was scourned and hung for their "blasphemis" way of thinking... now we know they were right.
You state all these so called "facts" about Jehovah's Witnesses and their faith, but you have no basis for them. You are not one of them clearly, nor will you ever grasp what they truely believe.
Just because someone's belief is different then yours does not make it wrong. Just different. And you come one here and write these ling posts stating how those of us who were raised in the faith have no idea what we are talking about. and frankly we would be the ones to answer the original question and isn't that the point here?
I hate to tell you this, but I have personally read the bible several times, and several versions too, and it seems you have never even opend the book.
Jehovah's Witnesses do NOT have their own version, just one that is easier to read then the one you are trying pass off...
This forum is here to help people who need it when it comes to dating and finding true love, it is not here for your open boasting of false religious beliefs and neither is it here for you to bash another religion just because you do not believe in what it teaches.
James, you need to take a step back and realize that you need to vent obviously, and though it can get expensive, theropists are availible to you. There are even other forums set up for the sole purpose of fighting over religious beliefs.
James, in this case, you are out of line and need to conceed. You are alone in your thoughts and taking way to much time to force YOUR views and YOUR ideals on the general public, when this is in no way why we are all here on Plentyoffish.com.
James, you need to find a different avenue to express how you feel. Join some of these television evangelists or write a book. Start a talk show, or plaster your home and car with this stuff, but if you are going to add a post in a public forum designed to help someone with a RELATIONSHIP issue, stick to the topic at hand, and leave the religious persecution and obvious contempt for people who are nicer, cleaner, SMARTER and less forcefull then you, where it belongs, in your trash can or your bathroom.
James, if you feel you need to express your misconstrewd views of world religions, then find an aduience that is willing to listen to what you have to say. That is all that I am saying. Judge me if you want, ridicule me if you prefer, but just keep your opinions and false teachings to yourself. Remember this country was FOUNDED by people who were trying to escape religious persecution and it is even written in the very constitution you live under yourself, freedom from this kind of tyranny. Each is ALLOWED their own views, and if Jehovah's witnesses chose to live like they do, more power to them. Do not hate them for it, just respect their opinions are different then yours.
And James, I know what you are thinking, but keep this in mind, even the right to freedom of speech has been challenged in the supreme courts several times. And yes you do have the right to an opinion, and you do have a right to express it, but there are appropriate avenues and this is not one of them. This site is not designed to suppoort a religious debate, why can't you seem to understand that?
So in conclusion James, unless you have a quick line of advice for the OP of this whoile discussion about whether or not she would be wise to persue a relationship of the sort, let it go. We do not care how you feel enough to hear you write a damn thesis on it.
PERIOD. Out~~
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| Non-Religious Person dating a Jehovah's Witness
Posted: 7/20/2008 6:23:20 PM | James
I am not prepared to go through the book you posted step by step, second about valentines day
did you know where it originates.
At one time soliders would pick names of young girls as a sex slave while they were out in battle, Often these girls were between 12-15 years old. Do you think a loving God would approve of such a custom when he hates fornication.. You are a bit close minded and ignorant..
As the story goes the church removed this custom and replaced it with saints names.. google it!! | |
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| Non-Religious Person dating a Jehovah's Witness
Posted: 7/20/2008 8:18:13 PM | I really hate to say this so bluntly, but as a past One of Jehovah’s Witnesses (haven’t been for 15 years or so and never will be again-not angry, I’m just bringing you up to speed) this situation has ZERO possibility of working out where you share a joyous friendly life with this man, his family and his friends, assuming they are all Jehovah’s Witnesses as well…Period! This isn’t me blowing smoke here: he is not supposed to be dating you at all, and if his congregation finds out they will take disciplinary action (I promise they will) and he will disowned by all his family and friends if he continues to see you and he gets’ dis-fellowshipped because of it, and this is NOT an idle threat: this is taken very seriously in his religion and he will pay a price for dating you…
The only way he can have a relationship with you is if leaves the religion, and all the same steps apply: his family and friends will not speak to him again, or have any real relationship with him, even if they break the rules and talk to him from time to time.. not even will they show up for his funeral…That is how serious this is….….
You need to stop dating this man and let him figure out how he wants to proceed with his life: If you’re in it later, than I truly wish you all the best. But if you continue to see him and he loses contact with his family and friends, he will most likely resent you for the rest of his life…You either have to join his religion (and you will be hounded if you do to follow all the rules of the religion) or you have to walk away if you really have any true love for this man….
I’m not being unreasonable or making this up, I’m giving you the honest answer you asked about….
I tried to follow what James was saying but he was ranting as much as anyone one else trying to shove their beliefs down someone’s’ throat. I can tell you that JW’s believe without a doubt that anyone not baptized in their religion will die in the final battle in Armageddon (spouse or not, child or not)…
And just to be clear, I am not blasting their belief as they are entitled to it as anyone else, I’m saying there is no sitting on the fence as someone else said here: you really cannot have a relationship with this man unless he leaves on his own, and it needs to be because he doesn’t believe the religion, and not because of a woman… even then his life will be hard if he leaves but it will be his decision and not based on you….
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| Non-Religious Person dating a Jehovah's Witness
Posted: 7/20/2008 8:38:03 PM | | While not being a Jehovas witness, I have studied with them, and have several witness friends, I do know that His religion frowns on dating or being married to someone in the "truth" as they call it, scripture states something about being "unevenly yoked" in spiritual beliefs, I dont remember the exact scripture, but I do know the elders in his "church" probably would not marry the two of you, and would possibly ostracize Him and you if you get married outside of the religion, he may be under the belief He can convert you, it is not a bad religion, and I do admire their enthusiasm, it is not a religion I could join, and if he drops out of the religion, he may come to resent and possibly hate you, the witnesses I have seen drop out of the truth have had extreme reactions to not being in their religion, such as extreme jealousy, alcoholism, sexual promiscuity, etc, so be sure you are aware , and have a sit down conversation with him, and if he is having sex with you, he is not a true witness, hope this has helped,, Jim | |
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Posted: 7/20/2008 8:42:10 PM | I agree with you tohnio, I once study to become a witness and they never asked for any money or try to take my property. Infact they have a collection box in the back of the Kingdom Hall and they encourage you to put any amount of money, be a dollar or five or five hundred and you do it privately. The reason I did not become a witness was because their standard of living was too high for a sinner such as me.
But they were and are lovely caring people and as far as going door to door Jesus Christ did not sit in a church waiting for people to come bye. He went out and gather his sheep. The JW do the same what is good enough for Jesus Christ is good enough for them. | |
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| Non-Religious Person dating a Jehovah's Witness
Posted: 7/20/2008 8:46:04 PM | My problem is that your facts are inacurate.
are you sure about that - - - - or are you only hearing the spin that they want y0u to believe - - - -
And you are not even willing to conceed that you may be even close to wrong. remember just a few hundred years ago people on this planet believed the earth was flat, and anyone who thought differently was scourned and hung for their "blasphemis" way of thinking... now we know they were right.
this is very true - - - but facts are facts - - - I know what I have read and seen - - in JW publications - - I have verified with an Elder that these are actually publications by the JW's. The fact that you do not like what I am saying is your problem not mine - - - I have back up facts and details to back what I have been saying - - you do not seem to - - to you it just can not possibly right - - - -
You state all these so called "facts" about Jehovah's Witnesses and their faith, but you have no basis for them. You are not one of them clearly, nor will you ever grasp what they truely believe.
I have been to their "Services" I have done independent research into the religion,
and know what they are told to believe.
and I do understand what they truly believe - - - but they do not know the whole story, for if they did - - they would think twice about it - - - The organization is very good at providing information - - - - and guiding thought process and if you question, it you risk DF - - If I stayed involved, my questions would have got me kicked out real quick - - for they would not want me to be planting these seeds of thought to be pondered. The simply asking of questions that they do not want asked - - -
Just because someone's belief is different then yours does not make it wrong. Just different. And you come one here and write these ling posts stating how those of us who were raised in the faith have no idea what we are talking about. and frankly we would be the ones to answer the original question and isn't that the point here?
It is very well proven fact that you have only been told a certain amount of information.
Have you read the Oct '68 watchtower that said the end of the times is coming and we have all of the information - - - we know the date and time - - - and the follow on publications saying this over and over - - -Have you seen these watchtowers?
If not then you have not checked out what I have said - - have you - - - - -
I hate to tell you this, but I have personally read the bible several times, and several versions too, and it seems you have never even opend the book.
and you claim to be sure about that - - - -
My understanding of the bible is more full and complete than yours.
Jehovah's Witnesses do NOT have their own version, just one that is easier to read then the one you are trying pass off...
Ah, the spin that they are putting on it now. - - - when it was first published they tried to get the experts in religion to read and say that it was a good translation. They could not get a single one - - even by paying them. - - - - It is considered by all other churches as a bad translation. It is considered by all religious scholars to be a bad translation.
Reason - - - not a single person that worked on it - had any knowledge of accent Greek and Hebrew - - - - They simply picked and choose what they wanted from all of the other bibles - - - variations that fit what they wanted it to say - - - When I was involved it was pushed as their bible - - - the true word, and better than others - - but you can still refer to the others, but you should have our version also. - - so now they are only saying it is easier to read - - - OK, the spin has changed over the years.
This forum is here to help people who need it when it comes to dating and finding true love, it is not here for your open boasting of false religious beliefs and neither is it here for you to bash another religion just because you do not believe in what it teaches.
as of yet you have not proven a single point that I have said is wrong - - - just lash out - -
and there are other religions that I will blast all day long - - - Radical Muslim. That is a diverted religion for man's only purpose, It is not main stream Muslim, It is twisting things around to justify what they want to do - - - - now some of the more current twisting are causing Muslims to pause and think about what the Radical Muslims are saying and are going - - you know this is not what Muslim is about - - - and note, because of this Bin Laden is loosing support around the world - - - as Muslims are starting to go - - who the hell are you, Bin Laden. Even the cleric's (including Radical ones) are starting to go - - now wait a second - - - -
James, you need to take a step back and realize that you need to vent obviously, and though it can get expensive, theropists are availible to you. There are even other forums set up for the sole purpose of fighting over religious beliefs.
I am just explaining - - - what is what - - - I am not venting - - I did that years ago when I started having my questions about what was being said and started checking out the background and foundation of the religion. Found many things wanting - - - Found that words were being added to the bible that were not in the bible, to make their religion fit with what they want it to be - - - I found the people were blindly following - - - what they were being told - - - and if they desired to question it - - they were not allowed to - - - Simply peer pressure and fear of DF.
James, in this case, you are out of line and need to conceed. You are alone in your thoughts and taking way to much time to force YOUR views and YOUR ideals on the general public, when this is in no way why we are all here on Plentyoffish.com.
I am not out of line in presenting to the person that is concerned about a relationship with a JW to allow them to realize what is involved and what they are getting into - -
but facts are facts - - - you may not like them - - that is your problem - - - -
James, you need to find a different avenue to express how you feel. Join some of these television evangelists or write a book. Start a talk show, or plaster your home and car with this stuff, but if you are going to add a post in a public forum designed to help someone with a RELATIONSHIP issue, stick to the topic at hand, and leave the religious persecution and obvious contempt for people who are nicer, cleaner, SMARTER and less forcefull then you, where it belongs, in your trash can or your bathroom.
ah, I see the intelligence that you are talking about that you have - - -
what I have found is that JW's claim to be nicer, cleaner and smarter than others - - that is what they are being told - - - to believe - - - - simply that does not make it true, Just as in many religions, - - the aspect of all others are not as good as we are - - is present - - seen it many times - - The aspect of we are the only one that is right - - I have seen that many times. Just saying it - - just being preached this does not make it right - - - -
Formal Reports from the 50's found that very few JW's had graduated from College, and a small % had from High School, That has increased over the years. - - but is still low compared to the general population - - - even my second wife that was in it for a while realized this was true about the JW's - - - - - The education factor might be because they always are lead to believe that the end is near - - so why worry about an education. - - - better to work and prepare for the end of the times that is coming soon. "We have all the proof that we need. " Oct '68 watchtower - - -
James, if you feel you need to express your misconstrewd views of world religions, then find an aduience that is willing to listen to what you have to say. That is all that I am saying. Judge me if you want, ridicule me if you prefer, but just keep your opinions and false teachings to yourself. Remember this country was FOUNDED by people who were trying to escape religious persecution and it is even written in the very constitution you live under yourself, freedom from this kind of tyranny. Each is ALLOWED their own views, and if Jehovah's witnesses chose to live like they do, more power to them. Do not hate them for it, just respect their opinions are different then yours.
ah the founders - - escape religious persecution. - - - let see they were known as the Puritans for a reason - - - they could not tolerate any other religion or beliefs. - - - They were not persecuted - - - they hassled all others in the name of their religion - - with no tolerance for others - - - In this they caused their own problems - - - if you lived next to one they would be putting you down, and causing problems - - - because of this, they went from Country to Country - - - - with the same problems occurring each time - -Others wanted to leave them alone, But the Puritans would not leave the others alone - - Finally in their religious faith decided to start over in the new world - - - Now there is a lot of information about what they did here- - - - but that is an other topic for an other time - - -
and guess what - - - just like I said before - - any disagreement - - becomes an attack upon you and you dig in - - - as this is proving that "the end of the times" is here - -
And James, I know what you are thinking, but keep this in mind, even the right to freedom of speech has been challenged in the supreme courts several times. And yes you do have the right to an opinion, and you do have a right to express it, but there are appropriate avenues and this is not one of them. This site is not designed to suppoort a religious debate, why can't you seem to understand that?
I am simply stating facts - - - if you do not like them - - as it seems to you to be an attack upon your beliefs - - - that is your right - - - but all I am doing is pointing out aspects about your religion that you are not aware of - - - - such as how is the enlightenment given to the ruling body? Can you answer me that? How was it done before the time of a ruling body? I have seen a JW publication that stated how - - - spirits in dreams came to the leader- - - - - that is how he got his enlightenment - - - - - do you know this? - - - are you aware of this? - - - why don't you check on it? Afraid to?
So in conclusion James, unless you have a quick line of advice for the OP of this whoile discussion about whether or not she would be wise to persue a relationship of the sort, let it go. We do not care how you feel enough to hear you write a damn thesis on it.
I believe people should know what they are getting into - - - and be aware of - - -
I believe in education and intelligence, I believe that all might not be as it seems, I believe that things should be checked out - - find out what is really going on and being said - - as in the JW's faith - - - what is the real religion - - - just as the Radical Muslims are starting to realize that they have been betrayed by their leaders - - - look at all of the religions and ministers that have been proven wrong - - We have all heard the statement that power corrupts. - - - Look at the power of the prior leaders of the JW and now the ruling body. With no fear of being removed - - for they say they have the backing of GOD - - -
Yet remember the old testament - - - If any one should say in my name words that I have not commanded, GOD will deal with them at his time and place - - - that simply mean we need to see who is speaking these words for GOD is not going to strike him down in a minute but when he gets around to it. - - It also means that we have to be careful of who we put our trust and faith into - - - - are they really worthy of it? - - - To me people that claim to be in contact with the Lord for enlightenment by means of spirits in their dreams - - - - - - I leave that to you to decide - - - - If you can accept this about your religion - that is your choice - - - I just request that you stop and check on this to find out if this might happen to be true. Ask how the enlightenment is given - - - - See what they say -- - think about it - - - does it make sense - - - Do this before you blindly lash out thinking that what I am saying can not possibly true then we can have a full discussion on this - - - right now you do not want to hear what might be some truths about your beliefs. - - - -
To me life is always a growing and learning experience - - - It is not to be an experience of blindly following someone in what they say - - - many do this claiming to speak the word of GOD - - - We have to decide for ourselves are they really - - - - or are we getting spin - -
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| Non-Religious Person dating a Jehovah's Witness
Posted: 7/20/2008 8:49:09 PM | | If it became REALLY serious, as in you married him, would you be OK with your kids being raised in that faith??!?? I dated a guy who was so awesome, except after a discussion I discovered he didn't believe in evolution... or fossils... thought they were all laid down at the same time during the great flood. I couldn't get out of there fast enough LOL. It's fine if they want to practice whatever faith they want, but can you live with it? | |
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| Non-Religious Person dating a Jehovah's Witness
Posted: 7/20/2008 9:07:50 PM | James
Uh...sir. Again, I will point out that you have not once, in your loooooooooooooooooooooooogggggggggggggggggggggggggggg posts about a faith that doesn't seem to be YOURS to claim.......
Didja even answer the poor woman's original question? Heck, by now, she could have decided to have the relationship, break things off and started another one with an agnostic like herself.
The question is simple yet you keep fogging up the issue with these ramblings. What gives???
Can you answer the question without writing a novel? Please? Others have done so, yet again...you've written these long posts refuting some stance (heck I stopped reading when I started getting a headache) that is being taken when all the woman asked was does her relationship have a chance.
Can you at least do that? Please?  | |
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| Non-Religious Person dating a Jehovah's Witness
Posted: 7/20/2008 9:14:15 PM |
Uh...sir. Again, I will point out that you have not once, in your loooooooooooooooooooooooogggggggggggggggggggggggggggg posts about a faith that doesn't seem to be YOURS to claim.......
afashionlady, I just have to tell you, you are one of my favorite reasons for coming to the forums!   | |
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| Non-Religious Person dating a Jehovah's Witness
Posted: 7/20/2008 9:36:22 PM | James is not interested in actually discussing anything. He just loves to pontificate...whether anyone actually pays attention or not.
Ladies...take note. Is this a person you would date? Seems you'd never get to express your own opinion as he would probably tell you what you think.  | |
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| Non-Religious Person dating a Jehovah's Witness
Posted: 7/21/2008 4:14:18 AM | Thanks the Real Thing 2
It's men and women like poor James P that make you understand the whole Mars and Venus concept:
OP: "I just wanna know, can an atheist and JW work it out?"
James P: "well, blaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. And then uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh (babbling on)
OP:"oh um, thanks James P. I decided to go find another atheist." Leaves thread while James is still babbling and the rest of us wondering what on EARTH James is talking about.
James is not interested in actually discussing anything. He just loves to pontificate...whether anyone actually pays attention or not.
Ummm...yeah...what she just said. 
Disclaimer: "afashionlady, knowing really nothing about James and why he rambles on, honestly believes that he just needs to write the dang "JW's for Idiots" book, earn his money, and maybe stop talking...but that's just her early morning, no coffee yet opinion..." End | |
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| Non-Religious Person dating a Jehovah's Witness
Posted: 7/21/2008 11:24:59 AM | ah those that do no hear what has been said. and simply want to lash out and make themselves feel good - - - - to justify - -
I said that I have read many of the JW's books including ones that are banded because of what they say. Banded books that the JW's published themselves - - -
I have been to many meetings and found them wanting - - and I was involved with a person that was a member - - and knew something was not right - - so I started doing honest research upon the JW faith and what it is really about - - So I have done all that you have asked me to do - - - - -
I have never said that the JW's are bad people - - they are just people like the rest of us - - I am commenting upon the religion and what it is about - - and how it does not match with the bible - - -
As for me writing a book, The JW organization is well known for it's use of attorneys and have gone after any that have contested their religion. Two well documented cases are when the JW's sued a columnist for his comments about the founder Russell sued the columnist. And the JW's lost, the second well documented was when a columnist was sued for his comments about JW version of their bible. In both cases the suits were lost.
But puts the fear into others to not contest what the JW's are saying or doing - - - all this acts to keep the flock from knowing what is really going on and being said.
I have heard of other cases, including recently they appeared before the Highest Court as a friend of the court. on business dealings, - - selling of books, and having to report this business income, and reporting taxes, This would have hit the JW structure hard as they bring in most of their money from the book sales. This was a case brought forth by the IRS and one of the TV evangelist. If you have been a member of JW as you say you have. and it has been a while since I was involved - - - What is the spin / changes that have occurred as a result of this. - - - - The court ruling basically said This is a for profit business so this must be reported. This changed the aspect of separation of Church and state and would mean that the JW religion would have to start reporting it's Financial records to the IRS/government. The JW ruling body does not want to have to report where the money is going or how much is being taken in. - - - - So this shook the ruling body - - - hard. - - - - So many changes in how they deal with publications.
So even if a wrote a book that is totally based upon facts, copies of JW publications and is a totally honest book, I can expect lawsuits, restraining orders and all of this cost. Outlets that could/would be interested in selling the book would / could expect that same type of responses.
My comment is what do they have to hide - - - what do they not want us to know - - - as it has been said many times - - - bring it into the light - - let it be seen, - - - only evil is afraid of the light and likes to hide in the dark. - - - - - | |
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| Non-Religious Person dating a Jehovah's Witness
Posted: 7/21/2008 12:32:03 PM |
My comment is what do they have to hide - - - what do they not want us to know - - - as it has been said many times - - - bring it into the light - - let it be seen, - - - only evil is afraid of the light and likes to hide in the dark. - - - - -
I am sorry, but I thnk it is vampires that hide in the dark. It is lions that attck in the light of day, and you are doing nothing but attacking and causing waves. And even after it has been asked of you seiously, you still have NOT ANSWERED THE ORIGINAL QUESTION!!!!!
You are wrong. You are a Liar. You have been falsy informed. You have no right to attck the witnesses. You are not Holy. YOU ARE NOT GOD. You are here to preach, you are here to disrupt.
You need to let it go. You need to remember that there are other opinions and other feelings out there then yours. Stick to what you believe, but do not attack other peoples beliefs.
You will want to refute my comments, but truth is, I am also allowed an opinion and I figured you would respect it since I have no basis for some of them. But I know your type. And if you want to spread false teachings and preach, or actually stand toe to toe with someone who can put you in your place, you let me know.
Otherwise, seriously, for all those involved here, knock it off. No one cares.
We are not your desciples dude, we are all trying to pass along in life. You have no right to throw out the claims you do, have NO BASIS for them, then get upset when someone calls you on it. Keep your beliefs. Keep whatever research you think you have. Keep your opinions to yourself. If you want to preach, seriously go to a church, or a park and shout at the top of your lungs. Contact your congressman and make a complaint.
We are here to find a person to get to know better, and you are making it unenjoyable.
You need to let this go. You are not right in facts, you just think you are in your head, and no matter how many LLOOOOONNNNNNGGGGGGGGGG posts you type, it is still in your head.
I am sorry you have such negative thoughts and feelings toward a people that I garuntee has never done anything to harm you. But it is people like you that fuel this stupid war against the Arabs... you do not understand what they believe, and it is not the same as yours, so kill them all because they are all wrong!?!?!?
You need to simply accept the faith helps those loyal to it. And with over 7 million members WORLDWIDE, and you are but one lonely, misguided man, perhaps you are the inaacurate one. PErhaps you ARE wrong.... But with out the humility to even consider this, that is what makes you an arrogant fool who is single, and there is no wonder why. I actually feel bad for your ex-wife, and I applaud her for leaving you.
Sorry, I expressed an opinion again, and you know what, I am willing to admit I am wrong. Perhaps in person you are not as pushy as you seem, but I am going to base my opinion on a few words I read from you and say for a FACT, that you are single for a reason. the pushy, sleasy salesman attitude is why, and will never change.
And based on what YOU have written, I have come to the conclusion that you are dellusional, and I will state for a FACT, that you need help.
Are those opinions? OOOPS, I am sorry, I was just basing my beliefs off of a few words from you, and since you wrote them, and I already do not like you, I have drown these FACTS and made my conclusion....
Not cool is it? You have no right to do the same. Think about it, and seriously, for the last time, KNOCK IT OFF!!!!!!! | |
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