| Non-Religious Person dating a Jehovah's Witness
Posted: 7/21/2008 3:54:52 PM | Wow, Now I must hate Arabs, is that how low you have to try to find justifications for your arguments against me - - - - - - really sad that people will try to divert like this
Now, i ask you again - - - - How is the Enlightenment provided to the Ruling Body?
Can you answer this simple question - - - - - Provide this simple insight to how the ruling body gets it's insight, the enlightenment is provided.
Can you do that for me/us or are you afraid of the answer or what others will think.
As the answer - - when you really stop and think about it - - - does not really make sense - - - - -
Am I right about this simple point? Or not? Is asking this simple question, an attack upon your religion or simply asking for you to explain an aspect of your religion?
Jim P.
P.S.
I do not hate Arab's or Blacks, or Indian's, or anyone of any culture and have many friends that are from different cultures and have married different cultures - - and I do not simply mean white man an Asian. Yes, I have dated them and have married and East Indian and a mixed black. - - - -
What I do hate is the indoctrination of people - - such as with the Radical Muslims, the white Radicals in America that are for White Power and racial purity, and claim this is in the word of GOD, - - - -
I also find people that can not thing for themselves, but have to be told everything limited. The ones that will believe against all logic and concept - - will battle to prove what they think they know and refuse to check anything out - - - to see if what others are saying might have any valid points - - - -
again - where does the Enlightenment come from? and how? Isn't this one of the basic aspect of JW's religion.
and Oh, I am not a salesman, never have been, just a technical Electronics Engineer. To bad, that you in your justifications - can not directly answer a single point but have to try to attack this way and that way - - - is it because you know that I am speaking the truth? | |
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| Non-Religious Person dating a Jehovah's Witness
Posted: 7/21/2008 5:29:48 PM | OH FOR THE LOVE OF PETE!
Jim...seriously. What on earth...???
Did you ever answer the dang question? Lordie...your posts alone take up almost a whole page!
Now, i ask you again - - - - How is the Enlightenment provided to the Ruling Body?
Oh I know...NOT. Will you answer the question? No? OK. Then this is what I'll assume sir...
"Yes, OP, I DO believe that you might have a chance with that nice young JW. If you and he are willing to communicate, maybe."
OR...
"No, no, no. Because I know JW's so well that they'll never let you NEAR that poor guy, and if they did, they'd try to brainwash you into being a Stepford JW."
So...now that I've helped Jim answer his question, can we all agree to disagree?
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| Non-Religious Person dating a Jehovah's Witness
Posted: 7/21/2008 5:49:16 PM | Jim, this forum is not set here for a religious debate. You want to contact me privately, I would be more then willing to explain why you are wrong. I have not used this method to argue with you because that is not what it is here for, and part of my whole reasoning from the begining. However, if you feel you must get the answers you are looking for, ask the governing body yourself..... http://www.watchtower.org/.... and they will be more then happy to inform you correctly of their teachings.
If you are unwilling to do so, then you are the ignorant one, not me. I am not going to engage in a religous debate with you. Either answer the question presented by the OP or log off. period. get the hint. let it go. | |
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| Non-Religious Person dating a Jehovah's Witness
Posted: 7/21/2008 7:25:42 PM | So you do not know?
and do not want to find out about this very important aspect
that is your right - - - -
I know the answer, I have seen the JW publications where this was stated. Have you?
Jim P. | |
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| Non-Religious Person dating a Jehovah's Witness
Posted: 7/21/2008 9:31:08 PM | [QUOTE]So you do not know? and do not want to find out about this very important aspect
that is your right - - - - I know the answer, I have seen the JW publications where this was stated. Have you?
Last time...cause apparently the person who's posting is just, well sorry, NUTS.
No, I don't know, no I don't want to find out and NO, I don't want to see or even know where to find it.
Since your head is so obviously buried elsewhere (in a JW text I guess?), I'm gonna leave you be. James, I feel sorry for you. Instead of answering a simple question, you've managed to hijack a thread into your own personal diatribe.
Don't worry, you've proven a point that I didn't think possible: there really ARE people who want to hear/read themselves instead of others.
Oh, and nothing in this post should be consided fact--except my pity for James. | |
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| Non-Religious Person dating a Jehovah's Witness
Posted: 7/21/2008 11:26:17 PM | James seriously, we’re all tired of the “I knew someone, sat next to someone, smelled the breathe of someone who was a JW and I did some research on some articles that danced around the religion and spoke to attorney’s…blah, blah blah” no one cares about your take on the religion….Please either post a simple response to the OP’s questions as to how the Religion would affect her relationship or move on……post on a religion forum please and stop making us scroll down three pages to get to someone actually answering the questions…
I was in this religion, married in the religion, knew people married to non believers etc, etc… I don’t believe the religion at all any more, but even I think so, sooo so much of your talk is just nonsensical rhetoric...... so had badly are you boring us here? | |
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| Non-Religious Person dating a Jehovah's Witness
Posted: 7/22/2008 6:27:06 AM | op: why don't you discuss it with him now and see what happens? you don't have to put it in the context of any potential relationship with him, you can just show some curiosity and ask him to tell you more about it.
chances seem pretty high that it can't work, because anyone that subscribes to a religion (or not) does so because that is part of their core beliefs and values. there has to be some compatibility there.
does he know you're an agnostic? | |
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| Non-Religious Person dating a Jehovah's Witness
Posted: 7/22/2008 7:43:05 PM | I have stated the in older JW publications that the leader said that he gets is direction or enlightenment from Spirits in his dreams - - - and who are the spirits? God and his angels have always spoken directly - not my Spirites. So who are the Spirits. - - - The Devil - that is the point to ponder, - - - Now, Jesus has said many times come directly to me. For this reason. With so few at the top, in control or guiding so many - Would not the Ruling Body be a perfect target for the Devil - - to collect souls. - - -
The guy responded with you can check this out here - - - I am going why, I know do you?
and I do not read the watchtowers or other publicati0ns anymore - - - years ago when trying to find out about them because of my wife being involved - - - - found out a lot more than expected. I simply thought it was some off base religion - - till I dug into what the religion is about and based upon. - - - - - - I was shocked at this - - - - - of course they put forth a good front and aspect of the religion. Most members have not stopped and realized these facts about the basics of their religion.
Jim P. | |
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| Non-Religious Person dating a Jehovah's Witness
Posted: 7/22/2008 7:50:54 PM | I don't know if anyone posted this yet but JW's don't believe in women working...that could be an issue!
I remember this because I had to study and attend the church of a religion for a class, and my neighbor happened to be a JW. It's also part of their religion to proselytize...they are always looking to recruit you. | |
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Posted: 7/22/2008 7:56:55 PM |
I don't know if anyone posted this yet but JW's don't believe in women working...that could be an issue!
HAAAA!!!!! What a crock! Not sure who you've been talking to, but that is one big ol' fat lie! My ex husband is a JW and he certainly didn't have any problem with his wife working! | |
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| Non-Religious Person dating a Jehovah's Witness
Posted: 7/22/2008 8:04:25 PM | What to do? Run.
As long as you are with him he is going to be ramming this JW stuff down your throat because when his elders find out that you are not JW he will get the order either to convert you, stop seeing you or leave JW.
Guess what he'll choose if you won't convert. When I was in university I read a book that might interest you, if you can find it. It is "Twenty Years a Watchtower Slave" and was written by someone who had gotten in and then out.
There are other accounts and you may be able to find then either by a web search or at your local public library.
Be careful and stay well.
And another thought: No one can hijack anything if you ignore his rants. | |
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| Non-Religious Person dating a Jehovah's Witness
Posted: 7/22/2008 10:05:02 PM | Snake charmer:
JW's don't disagree with women working for the most part, however they do disagree with women seeking high profile careers, or careers in general....(If the man can be the bread winner than the wife is expected to consider being a missionary in the church) but I understand where you were going with this (an no you weren't lying as someone else stated)...for that matter they frown on anyone (men or women) having high profile careers...many still do, but it's not considered "prestigious' in their organization...there are many, many reasons not to date a JW if you are not willing to live by their guidelines: it's going to be a difficult ride to be sure... | |
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| Non-Religious Person dating a Jehovah's Witness
Posted: 7/22/2008 10:26:06 PM | I went through a strong religious phase between the ages of 15 and 19 (Mormon). I am now a committed atheist. A lot of religous devotees believe non-believers don't believe in anything much and need to be 'converted/saved' - most religious devotees of the JW/converting variety are trained to think this way.
I believe that people (so I would say I'm humanistic) create religion therefore to me people are more important than any religion. I share an office with a muslim who on a weekly basis tries to convert me to believing in God - he never gives up. It's good in a way because I don't mind my belief system being tested. But the thing that niggles is that he mildly 'looks down on me and feels sorry for me' and his idea of showing his care for me is to continually try to convince me of the error of my ways by asking me don't I think everything is wonderful and complicated and how could things exist without god having created them. I think this is why they say never talk about religion - because it's all in the mind of the beholder; you can actually believe anything you want to.
I have long theoretical conversations with JWs when they come to the door (I enjoy them).
You are right to be concerned - religions of this type are on a mission to make everyone think the same way and you will find yourself 'pulled in'. I call it brainwashing.
You should make the decision based on how much you want to protect your current beliefs and you're right to think that way. It'll probably be your belief system or him eventually. | |
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| Non-Religious Person dating a Jehovah's Witness
Posted: 7/23/2008 3:03:00 AM | I used to be a JW and I can tell you from personal observation its hard having a mixed relationship. Things you take for granted they hold as serious no no's. Like kissing. Alot, consider kissing fornication. And in that religion they do punish thier members for breaking the rules.
On the bright side of it. There are alot of very nice down to Earth people that are JW's. There are many, that won't talk to me because I left on my own, I still consider good friends.
Things that will happen. The other members of his religion will try to convert you. They believe that the only ones that will be saved at the end of the world are JW's so they are trying to convert everyone. But after that fails they won't go out of thier way to associate with you. Since they don't believe in getting drunk, he probibly won't party with you. Thats not to say they don't have a beer now and then. They don't smoke or do drugs. When married they consider oral and anal sex a sin. Along with wearing a condom. They believe whenever possible the family should be old fashion with the wife being a housewife. But in this day and age in civilized world they let it slide.
Its very hard but I've seen a couple pull through and do it. I've also seen many fail. Its up to you and what you think you'd be comfortable with.
For his part. As long as he persues a relationship with you some congragations will see him as unfit to have any responsiblities. He won't be able to move forward. | |
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Posted: 7/23/2008 3:42:14 AM | | i was born into the jehovahs witness religion . i left at 19 when i did i felt strange as had only been allowed to mix with jehovahs witnesses and the kids that lived next door .kids born into the religion lack social skills . you are only allowed to marry jehovahs witnesses if you are a baptised jehovahs witness . im agreeing with all the guys saying above. the male is the head of the house in the religion . a lot of the kids that are brought up from birth as jehovahs witnesses have very poor social skills . are very shy . they can have emotional problems as this was all they new .then there in the main world lost still as a 43 yr old i have to have a couple of drinks to go in a big group . this hides my true nature . wasnt easy standing out from all in your school going round doors to preach giving talks on platforms and also having to stand outside a room in front of hole school because you couldnt go to services . i learnt young how to hide feelings i could stand in front of a thousand folk and give a talk . without showing any emotion . but can have problems in a smaller group , one thing i will say as there values in life are great ive used there values to raise my own 2 wonderfull kids . but ive also made sure that they lived normal lives . your guaranteed that if you married the guy he would put 100% into your relationship as it is wat you are brought up to do i lasted 21 yrs with my ex until he had an afair and the way i was brought up that gave me the right to end it .but if you had kids to him they would eventully develop problems if they left the safety net of the religion . i no a few that left and felt totally icealated . a guy who had sex was put out the religion cause he wasnt married an outcast . In life mistakes can be made but to be tossed intoi the wilderness that you dont no can be devastating . | |
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Posted: 7/23/2008 4:20:07 AM | As an ex jehovah's witness i would like to say a few words to all who enter this area of disscussion. I havent been one for many years as i was brought up as one and made my own way later in life. It is stronglly discourged but not law that a j.w should only go out with a j.w. as many of you have said and noted that it is hard for the other person who is not one to cope and deal with a person who trys to live by different codes of conduct so to speak. And the person who you are sleeping with or dating knows that. NO one is perfect but it becomes more serious for them if they get baptized and stray than if they were not as they have not made that strong convicton yet. It does make it look bad for other j.w's, as people do tend to get tarred with the same brush ( stero type).
Its no different peeps, when going out or marrying some one who has a compleatly different culture than your self in the long run. We here so many times of two different cultures getting together and a large percent of the time in the long term it doesnt work out, its a simalar situation.
those of you going out with a jehovah's witness basicly should tell em off lol....and tell them as one of you peeps have said make a dicission one or the other as most of the time this is in secret and the other faith members dont know what there up to.
Sorry to woffel but i dont want all to be tarred with the same brush,im a mental health nurse who is very aware of the stero typing of a person with a mental illness. At most they have a meeting at church for 2 hours maximum once or may be twice a week, take care now peeps and next time fall for a saten worshiper its less of a struggle to be bad lol xx | |
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| Non-Religious Person dating a Jehovah's Witness
Posted: 7/23/2008 8:53:10 AM | | jacinta1 There is no way a babtised jehovahs witness can have unmarried sex or even date a non witness . they are outcast if they do and disfellowshiped noone bar the elders can speak to them and they have to sit at the back of the congregation and be ignored . if you behave and dont get disfellowshiped you are greated with open arms i new a man who i was calling uncle since i was a little child he had been disfellowshiped . i was told not to talk to him in fact the man who id nown as an uncle had took me and my sibblings out was treated as a lerpor . rong rong rong . this man was lost as the witnesses were all he new . Way to harsh a religion and the folks that leave can have mental health isues why there brain washed every sunday 2 hrs tue 1 hr and thursday 2 hrs then they have to studie every night . have you ever been faced with the blood isue multiple organ failure and you need surgery to scared to say yes as you have been brain washed your whole life that blood is sacred must not take blood . anyone marrying a jehovahs witness better make sure they have a next kin that will allow medical intervention if blood is needed . oh if you were a witness took blood you would be cast out . most folks that are suffer serious depressions. i can only comment on the religion as i was born into it wasnot my choice and wat i seen with my own eyes . i see flaws one last point it was announced to the congregation buy an elder that noone was to talk to my uncle (jim) he had been disfellowshiped . ok biologically he wasnt but in my heart he was my uncle wat does that do to kids .. god nows wat it did to my poor uncles head never seen him again sad sad | |
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Posted: 7/23/2008 9:18:11 AM | I wonder what happened to the OP, it was 2 years ago that she started this thread.
She is either a devoted JW or has met another nice guy.
Let's hope it's the latter.  | |
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Posted: 7/23/2008 10:34:30 AM | | First of all, why don't you get your facts straight first before you say something bad and untrue about different religions. My family has been Jehovah's Witnesses for years and they are NOT a cult! The absolutely do NOT try to take over your life or make you give all your money to them. You are by far one of the most ignorant people i have ever come across! Just because you met ONE and had a bad experience doesn't mean the whol religion is like that one person. why don't you look into your bible and see what it really teaches before you stay such stupid things you have not idea about! my suggestion is that you shut your mouth about things you don't know facts about!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | |
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Posted: 7/23/2008 10:41:21 AM | | You are such an idiot and the most ignorant person i have come across!! yu have absolutely no ideas what you are talking about! I think you just like to hear yourself spout off about things you really don't know! | |
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Posted: 7/23/2008 10:43:44 AM | | You need to keep your mouth shut if you have not first hand experience about this religion. If you are going only by hear say, then try finding out about something and let it be based on facts and not what you have heard! That is what an ignorant person does! Know your facts first!! | |
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Posted: 7/23/2008 10:48:48 AM | | Where did you ever hear that Jehovah's Witnesses can't work? You really need to know what you are talking about before you say something that is completely idiotic!! My whole family are JW's and the women have full time jobs and so do most of the women in the congregation!! Please get facts before saying something you know nothing about! | |
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Posted: 7/23/2008 10:50:46 AM |
You need to keep your mouth shut if you have not first hand experience about this religion.
Is this directed at everyone in the thread or someone in particular? | |
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