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I have no friggin idea why Israel was re-established in a region that simply HATES
them.
I hate to break it to you, but untill the partitioning of palistine by the British in the aftermath of WWII, jews & arabs had been living quite peacfully there for centuries.
It was the land grab by the British to give to the Jews that started the current cycle of violence we've all become way too familiar with.
Whether you think that the creation of Israel was justified or not is a different matter - but the reality is that the hate didn't exist untill then. | |
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Posted: 7/4/2006 12:49:05 PM |
Global, CHUM and CBC are owned/operated by Jews...
ummmmm ..... correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the CBC owned by the government, and essentially run by civil servants?
It's a crown coporation. It's not owned by Jews, Arabs, communists, capitalists, or little green men from mars. | |
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Sidmo
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Posted: 7/4/2006 12:50:30 PM | ^^^^
Jews and Muslims have been hating and fighting eachother for thousands of years, gorshkov. It is the oldest rivalry between two cultures (and religions) in the history of the world. | |
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Posted: 7/4/2006 1:10:36 PM |
It was the land grab by the British to give to the Jews that started the current cycle of violence we've all become way too familiar with.
Some suggest that it was Zionists who brought the US into WWI, in order to legitimize the efforts they had made to purchase the land outright. The violence more appears to have begun when Islamic peoples started organizing to "remove the infidels from the Arab peninsula," which is their current theme, and has been their theme since almost the time of Muhammed. They were just more effective at that goal until WWI and the dawn of aerial combat. Moselmen demanded tribute of American Ships in the 1700's, and are responsible for the impetus to create the US Marine Corps. Semper Fi!
Just an historical perspective. Draw your own conclusions. | |
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Posted: 7/4/2006 1:30:25 PM | | da war has started and it will lead to WWIII LETS FACE IT JOIN DA ARMY AND FIGHT FOR YOUR COUNTRY MINE IS ENGLAND FORGET POLITICS FIGHT FOR YOUR OWN EXISTANCE. | |
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nitid
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Posted: 7/4/2006 2:52:34 PM | Some suggest that it was Zionists who brought the US into WWI, in order to legitimize the efforts they had made to purchase the land outright
That was Henry Ford, Sr. It wasn''t far from truth.
In fact first wave of immigration started by followers of Socialist Zionist back in 1881. At this time erupted first tension between jews and arabs.
After establishment of Zionist movement (founder Theodor Herzl) and first World Zionist Congress (1897) begun second immigration wave with over 40 000 jews.
Radical jews movement Irgun (establ. 1931) used active approach, which included retaliation to attacks and initiation of armed actions against the British.
Later Avraham Stern left the Irgun to form Lehi, even more radical movement which even during WWII refuse to cooperate with brits and even worked with nazis to secure european jewry''s immigration to Israel.
In 1947 due to increasing confrontation between jews and arabs England decided to withdraw from the Palestine.
In 1947 UN approved the 1947 UN Partition Plan dividing the territory into two states, with the 55% jews land and 45% arabs. Jerusalem suposed to be under UN control.
On may 1948, state of Israel was proclaimed.
Regarding to Middle East terrorism issues.
Everything that goes around comes around.
Terror was invited way before christianity existence.
Historicaly terrorism was developed originaly by Zealots a jewish political movement in the first century AD.
In the late New Testament times they advocated killing, stealing, acts of terrorism against romans and jews alike and many other crimes. | |
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Posted: 7/4/2006 6:07:42 PM |
In 1947 UN approved the 1947 UN Partition Plan dividing the territory into two states, with the 55% jews land and 45% arabs. Jerusalem suposed to be under UN control.
On may 1948, state of Israel was proclaimed.
Here's some more information on that brief historical explanation, and the maps are informative even if the commentary is biased.
http://www.masada2000.org/historical.html
The Israeli version above appears to have a lot of truth to it, but I am no historical fanatic. I only recognize the difference between targetting innocents and targetting military targets within my own lifetime, and draw my conclusion by association with the morality of the reporters. | |
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Posted: 7/4/2006 8:50:08 PM | | Stay the hell out of other countries businesses and the U.S. should be fine. There is enouph corruption, gangs and hatred in the States to fight your own war on yourselves. I'm glad the natural disasters, power outages and cops being freed of crime don't cause riots out here where people die and businesses get looted. | |
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nitid
| | Joined: 7/3/2006
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Posted: 7/4/2006 9:32:26 PM |
There is enouph corruption, gangs and hatred in the States to fight your own war on yourselves
^^^This bussines is not profitable.
Instead war make great profit to bankers who land the money for both confronting sides, armament producers who supplied both with weapon, ones who develop all kind of resources of ocupied country, politics who on war histeria gain their influence, power and money. | |
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Posted: 9/9/2010 6:48:27 AM |
Sweetheart...
Do you actually think that it is only Israel and Palestine that are dancing on the stage? Behind these two actors are many others including the US, who are writing the drama. LMAO ... the US does not write the drama ... they just fund Israelis killing off the Palestinians ... a few at a time.
The US underwrites (funds) the Israelis bulldozing the Palestinians' homes, they underwrite (fund) the Israelis in everything they do against the Palestinians as in shutting the water off to entire towns, stopping ambulances at check points until the people inside die ... the list of atrocities goes on and on.
The US might as well be driving the bulldozers, might as well be cutting off the drinking water to the Palestinian towns, might as well be standing at the check points stopping the ambulances.
Why nuke Palestine? All they have are stones to throw at Israeli tanks. What danger are they to the world? Palestine has no "illegal nukes" but Israel does. So who is a real threat to world peace? The "stone throwers" or those with "illegal nukes".
The US doesn't want North Korea to have "illegal nukes", and apparently doesn't want Iran to have "illegal nukes" ... but supports Israel with their "illegal nukes" ... eh?
I see no reason to nuke anyone ... anywhere. What in the world would be the point? | |
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Posted: 9/9/2010 1:53:09 PM | I'm trying to figure out how we nuke a state that doesn't exist. Of course, if you nuke Israel you are taking out Gaza and the West Bank... and part of Egypt, Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon too. But we'd have a hard time locating Palestine on a map.
Particularly in Christianity there does seem to be this impression that supporting Israel unconditionally gets us in good with the Big Guy. Buying our way into heaven on Judgement Day so to speak. As though we can get into the club by being friends with and walking in with Israel. | |
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Posted: 9/13/2010 3:56:41 PM |
I can't think of two bigger threats to world security than Israel and Palestine.
Then you aren't good at thinking, and you don't understand what threat nuclear weapons in the hands of megalomaniacs not held accountable by their constituents via any power check is to the world.
A skirmish between the IDF and a rag-tag militia does not rival North Korea invading South Korea and triggering a world war, or Iran nuking Israel, causing a nuclear war. An open conflict between North and South Korea will mean several hundred lives lost two days, and will bring the entire region into a shooting war.
If Israel invades Palestine, maybe a few hundred, or even a thousand die, and that sucks, but it doesn't even compare to the fallout North Korea could bring to the East.
The islamic nations would band together (again) and strike against Israel. This would force America's hand and after America has acted, Iran's hand.
Not a fan of history? The last time the Arab nations banded together against Israel, the Jews whooped their ass in a weak. | |
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Posted: 9/13/2010 7:16:47 PM | It seems as far back into seeing the world for what it was there has always been shyte happening in that region but as time has passed it appears to be a game without end controlled by a few who wish to profit using religion as a front.
You would think cultures as old as some in the region would show a little more class and civility but ever since the end(?) of colonialism it seems that no country in the region knows what to do now that they hold the keys given to them by their previous oppressors.
And I do agree with other posters in that Palestine does not actually exist but what else can you call it when the media has dubbed it as such.
Instead of nuking them all perhaps we could try drugging them instead.
A little ecstasy in the water supply. And like the scene from Apocalypse Now we have the Black Hawks wired for sound blasting out rave music for days on end.
Drop shipments of glowsticks and love beads. | |
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Posted: 9/14/2010 6:42:09 AM |
A message to those who seek the attack the United States of America:
Just tempt us, b*tch. Just do it, like Nike. Luckily, our nation as a whole is moving past this sort of classless and ignorant mindset. And thank goodness. It was getting embarassing for awhile.
For those of you who miss it, there's always "Jersey Shore." | |
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Posted: 9/14/2010 8:52:33 AM |
Really ?
Yes, really. That's why I said it, silly!
So we haven't sent an additional 30.000 troops to Afghanistan ? We didn't? Huh, I thought we had. That, of course, is you trying to shift the meaning of what I said. Why not just state your own opinion instead of worrying about trying to misrepresent mine?
We haven't just "Renewed" the patriot act ?
Are you asking? Or is that just your snazzy way of trying to be snarky? The most accurate answer to your question is, "No, we haven't." | |
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Posted: 9/14/2010 9:28:01 AM |
So we haven't sent an additional 30.000 troops to Afghanistan ?
We have, and you are deliberately misconstruing what you are responding to.
If you do attack, we'll respond. That's not an ignorant mindset. That's called defending one's nation. And it's common sense.
Tempting someone to attack thinking they will be cowed into obeying you because you have F16s is an ignorant mindset. | |
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Posted: 9/14/2010 2:21:28 PM |
... you don't understand what threat nuclear weapons in the hands of megalomaniacs ... I know ... letting Israel keep those illegal nukes is a big mistake. I mean really ... no telling when those trigger-happy maniacs will cut loose.
If you do attack, we'll respond. If who attacks ... WHO will respond?
Oh dear ... did someone forget where they live? Or are you speaking in general terms ... as in if someone attacks (Israel), those of the Jewish nature will respond? Otherwise, that sentence doesn't make sense.
That's not an ignorant mindset. That's called defending one's nation. And that sentence makes even less sense ... unless someone is saying that if Israel is attacked, they will respond.
At any rate ... the only ones I expect to do any attacking of any kind over there are the Israelis. They're the ones always stealing others' land and mongering on their neighbors.
I repeat ... "I see no reason to nuke anyone ... anywhere. What in the world would be the point?" | |
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Posted: 9/14/2010 5:49:48 PM | | What an utterly stupid and foolish thread to have and lo and behold only republicans would even have a conversation about using nukes...and you wonder why the majority of the worlds hates us. Thank goodness the Lord bless america with a man in the white house who don't allow him decisions to based on foolishness,fear and hate like most of the b asta rd s that would even consider nuking people they haven't done anything to them, nope, they have just been feed a steady diet of hating people that don't look like them and as we all know it all started right here at home in the good ole united states. | |
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Posted: 9/14/2010 5:55:53 PM | | ^^ I think a Democrat who was President at the time used nukes (atomic weapons) on Japan in 1945. | |
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Posted: 9/15/2010 12:04:06 PM | Gosh Dayum! What a couple of dumb basts#$ards.....to hear you clowns tell Mr. Truman was a lone cowboy going alone dropping bombs for the pleasure of it..
Truman faced challenge after challenge in domestic affairs. The disorderly postwar reconversion of the economy of the United States was marked by severe shortages, numerous strikes, and the passage of the Taft–Hartley Act over his veto. He confounded all predictions to win election in 1948, helped by his famous Whistle Stop Tour of rural America. After his election he was able to pass only one of the proposals in his Fair Deal program. He used executive orders to begin desegregation of the military and create loyalty checks that dismissed thousands of communist supporters from office, even though he strongly opposed mandatory loyalty oaths for governmental employees, a stance that led to charges that his administration was soft on communism. Truman's presidency was also eventful in foreign affairs, with the end of World War II and his decision to use nuclear weapons against Japan, the founding of the United Nations, the Marshall Plan to rebuild Europe, the Truman Doctrine to contain communism, the beginning of the Cold War, the Berlin Airlift, the creation of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), Chinese Civil War, and the Korean War. Corruption in Truman's administration, which was linked to certain members in the cabinet and senior White House staff, was a central issue in the 1952 presidential campaign and helped cause Adlai Stevenson, Truman's successor for the Democratic nomination for president, to lose to Republican Dwight D. Eisenhower in the 1952 presidential election. | |
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Posted: 9/15/2010 12:42:44 PM | MrLove45:
If you are going to wholesale copy and paste from the Wikipedia article from Truman, at least cite where you are copying from and put it in a quote box.
I know ... letting Israel keep those illegal nukes is a big mistake. I mean really ... no telling when those trigger-happy maniacs will cut loose.
No one person in Israel has power to do anything without being held accountable via a democratic policy, but you knew that, and were misconstruing the differences between states like Iran and Israel.
If who attacks ... WHO will respond?
Oh dear ... did someone forget where they live? Or are you speaking in general terms ... as in if someone attacks (Israel), those of the Jewish nature will respond? Otherwise, that sentence doesn't make sense.
It makes perfect sense, if you don't start in the middle of the conversation we were having. Someone drew a parallel to Afghanistan and the fact we are still there.
And that sentence makes even less sense ... unless someone is saying that if Israel is attacked, they will respond.
Well, it made sense in context. You chose to ever-so-efficiently save the time you could've spent understanding what was being said doing something else.
At any rate ... the only ones I expect to do any attacking of any kind over there are the Israelis. They're the ones always stealing others' land and mongering on their neighbors.
Well, then you're not paying attention, but you seem like you can't even pay attention to what is being said in this thread, so that seems par for the course.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3954896,00.html
http://www.jta.org/news/article/2010/09/15/2740913/rocket-attacks-stepped-up-during-talks
http://www.jta.org/news/article/2010/09/13/2740876/attacks-from-gaza-on-israel-increase
http://dover.idf.il/IDF/English/News/today/10/09/0113.htm
^And that's only in the past couple days. If the only ones you expect to do any attacking are the Israelis, you have your head so far up your ass you need medical help to undo it. And I'm not saying Israel is blameless in anything, but you have wholly defied reality here.
I repeat ... "I see no reason to nuke anyone ... anywhere. What in the world would be the point?"
I do not disagree. | |
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Posted: 9/15/2010 6:15:10 PM | Ynet news and jta.org are both zionist propaganda sites who's perspective and analysis are so far twisted from reality that one can only read with jawdropped amazement. how can people being starved and deprived of water carry out any kind of attack on a nuclear armed criminal entity? It is the typical case of the bully saying, :...he bloodied my fist with his face."
If you would like some interesting reading read, B'Tsalem who recently citicized the criminal entity stating that it encourages the killing of the Palestinians citing the deaths of 617 civilians most under the age of 18. | |
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Posted: 9/15/2010 10:02:41 PM | Wait, you're calling BS on two globally recognized news sources that are reporting the same thing every other outlet on the planet is reporting?
http://www.news24.com/World/News/Gaza-rocket-fired-into-Israel-20100915
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3702088.stm
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/gaza-rocket-strikes-israel-no-casualties-military/678429/
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/news/world/04-gaza-israel-clashes-rocket-qs-03
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/LDE6887654.htm
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/19/world/middleeast/19gaza.html
This kind of detachment from reality... you may want to seek professional help. Spouting off about Zionist conspiracy theories and denying plainly obvious facts... well we've seen some poor examples of the kind of delusional ranting coming from that. For the love of god, even Al Jazeera reports this:
Palestinians in the Gaza strip have fired 12 mortars and six rockets into Israel, resulting in no reported injuries on the Israeli side.
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2010/09/20109151393302881.html
Granted, this is in contradiction to other reports:
A foreign worker in Israel was killed Thursday by a rocket fired from the Hamas-controlled Palestinian territory of Gaza, according to the Israeli military, soon after the arrival here of the European Union’s top foreign policy official.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/19/world/middleeast/19gaza.html
But never mind, it's all Zionist propaganda.
Unbelievable, what people you can find on the internet. Even in these forums, apparently. | |
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Posted: 9/16/2010 5:37:51 AM |
At any rate ... the only ones I expect to do any attacking of any kind over there are the Israelis. They're the ones always stealing others' land and mongering on their neighbors Well, then you're not paying attention, but you seem like you can't even pay attention to what is being said in this thread, so that seems par for the course. http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3954896,00.html http://www.jta.org/news/article/2010/09/15/2740913/rocket-attacks-stepped-up-during-talks http://www.jta.org/news/article/2010/09/13/2740876/attacks-from-gaza-on-israel-increase http://dover.idf.il/IDF/English/News/today/10/09/0113.htm ^And that's only in the past couple days. If the only ones you expect to do any attacking are the Israelis, you have your head so far up your ass you need medical help to undo it. And I'm not saying Israel is blameless in anything, but you have wholly defied reality here.
You are right to recognize that the Israelis are not "blameless in anything." I remember that an extreme element, opposed to a peace settlement negotiated some years ago gunned down the Israeli Prime Minister in order to derail the peace agreement. The main issue was, and still is, that the Israelis would need to give back some of the Palestinian territories they INVADED and have been holding by force.
It is extremely ridiculous, and intellectually deficient, to offer as a defense of the Israeli position the attacks launched on them by some extreme groups of Palestinians. Any honest debater would have to recognize that the population of the country , town, village, or home that has been invaded by force by others who have superior weapons, have the legitimate right to fight back with whatever means necessary against the invaders and occupiers of their land.
As an American I would do no less to defend our country if we were invaded by others. | |
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Posted: 9/16/2010 4:48:55 PM | The range of a mortar is about 5000 meters, the IOF was well out of range. rockets?? what rockets? the rockets fired from Gaza are nothing more than firecrackers and do no damage. They are more like SOS flares to draw attention to their plight, the relentless murders of civilians for their land.
The criminal entity controls all the news that come out of Palestine, because other outlets pick up the stories does not make them true. This just an example of Goebbels "big lie". | |
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