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Posted: 7/7/2006 10:12:15 PM | Here's a generalization that's true. American people are materialistic, overweight, a little selfish, and overconfident.
American men who shop for mail order brides are just trying to get a young sexpot that will stay home and make them feel like they deserve it.
If you live in the country and make a middle class living and expect a woman from Moscow or some other big city to come here, become enculturated, learn english, and still "love" you in 2 years, you're kidding yourself. She probably knows more about american pop culture than you do Pop.
Cultural barriers are huge.
"American women are..." statements don't hold water w/ me. Sure they're heavy, unhealthy, bossy, petty, and wasteful...
but then so are men.
There is no pendulum that has put women on top, if you think so, you just have an inferiority complex. If you want them to respect you as a man, deal w/ them one on one and bring the goods. That's no less than a woman from Transylvania is going to ask. | |
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Posted: 7/7/2006 10:38:06 PM | | A very good friend of mine at this moment has a Philipino girlfriend visiting from the Philipines. They chatted for a year and a half over the interenet with web cams etc. (They met in a Yahoo chat room) They are both 47. She has been here for about a month and I must say she is enchanting. She is educated (masters degree), funny, classy etc.. They are really head over heals with each other. She has been to the US several times on business and speaks english quite well. So I would have to say that yes, meeting someone from another country and having a "meaningful" relationship is indeed possible. I asked her tonight if she had any friends back home who were single and she is going to check it out. Why should I limit myself?? | |
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Posted: 7/7/2006 11:32:57 PM | I just think its funny that, when some American men have trouble meeting women or keeping a relationship, they get bitter and automatically blame "all American women" for their relationship issues. The just need to put the blame anywhere but on themselves. I agree with the poster who said many American women AND MEN are materialistic, overweight, etc. Just look at so many American men who are gross and ugly as hell, but want to date Pamela Anderson's or Lucy Lou's hotter, younger sister. Yet, they put all the blame on "all American women." Talk about hypocrites. The guys who do this are the real losers here.
And Arthistorylvr, I'm on your side. So many of these guys say how much they hate America, yet they continue to live here and soak up the country's great benefits and comforts it has provided for us. | |
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Posted: 7/7/2006 11:40:26 PM | | lol, Why am I surprised this is a thread. | |
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Posted: 7/7/2006 11:47:17 PM | To the men in this thread who think they can get a "good" mail order bride... I just have one question... what makes you think there are no good men in her own culture????
Without getting into economic reasons (former Soviet countries)... there is no reason for a "good" young asian girl to look for her man of dreams in western culture. Asian culture is conservative to extreme and they don't like the broken family system in America. So why will a decent, well educated, beautiful young asian girl try to find man of her dreams in America through internet (but not marry a nice man who lives next door). Do you really believe that "good" men in those countries do not know how to care for their "good" women??? There are "myths" and then there are "myths".  | |
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Posted: 7/7/2006 11:59:10 PM | | SexySexy, it's because, for most of these women, marrying a white American man is a status symbol. It's a way to show others from their country how "desirable" and "well off" they are or soon will be. | |
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Posted: 7/8/2006 12:09:21 AM | There is no pendulum that has put women on top, if you think so, you just have an inferiority complex. If you want them to respect you as a man, deal w/ them one on one and bring the goods. That's no less than a woman from Transylvania is going to ask.
Don't think you read my post properly, buddy. I was referring to a prevalent tendency in media and in society that allows corporate america and women in general to ridicule men - the same thing that was done to them 40 years ago. If you haven't noticed this by now, then I advise you to think a little more about the world around you. And yes, this is by and large a western phenomenon. | |
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Posted: 7/8/2006 12:11:38 AM | "marrying a white American man is a status symbol. "
White American men do not have such a role model status in rest of the world any more. See the world events unfold and polls regarding the fall of American reputation in rest of the world. Go to national newspaper web site of some asian countries and see how they write about American world politics. True or not... that's how they see it. Choose any country you like... China, Japan, Korea, India, Bangladash, Phillipines, Pakistan.
Secondly, even if this kind of marriage is status symbol, what will happen to marriage once the status has been achieved (she comes here)??? Real life starts then. She married for social status... she got it. Now what???  | |
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Posted: 7/8/2006 1:26:42 AM | @Tick Tock
Man ridicule is a Western phenomenon? I've spent time in Russia, Ukraine, Siberia, S. America, Europe and Aus. Believe me, there's man haters everywhere, and they make different, or similar cultural comparisons as you do.
The pendulum shift, post femminist backlash- hollwood, media sort of America you base your views on is a little different than my take. I also wasn't directing that paragraph toward you, you just reminded me how much I like the word pendulum and I borrowed it.
Example:Brittany Spears does not define american women, she defines a part of our entertainment culture that is risque and based on provocation.
I'm not interested in dating any women that can't make that distinction anyway, and they are a minority scattered all over the world. I don't care if she reads Cosmo, as long as she gets a good laugh.
In this case geography means little, but most poor schmucks who can't tell the difference go shopping for an illusion, which is Brittany Svetlana Spears who doesn't know what the f*** he's saying, but imagines she's telling him all the ways she's superior to american women.
Disclaimer: In another thread I said I met a woman on the internet and went to Russia and we fell in love and had our first kiss in Lenin's tomb. Its completely made up, in case anyone would sabotage me with it. I'm telling the truth this time. | |
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Posted: 7/8/2006 2:48:20 AM | Geeez, talk about poison from all sides.
We all look for happiness in a relationship, whether the partner you've chosen comes from down the street or from the other side of our little blue/green rock, the only ones we have to answer to are ourselves, or if you're particularly lucky your children.
Posters here come from all over the globe, and if you haven't noticed a fair percentage each share your differing opinions whether they be hopefully optimistic to depressingly pessimistic.
Strange about that... | |
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Posted: 7/8/2006 5:42:29 AM | As someone said already it's basic economic, beside unrealistic dreams from some americans.
Years ago Howard Stern made a poll about the "dream girl" that men bet. 30 and 45 yrs old
want to have. Over 85% gave the same name: Britney Spears. At that time she was 18. So
wich one of the all pathetic definition that he gave away should I think is the right one? What
are the chances for an average american woman to compite with that? Just one 1 woman out
of 10000 can be a model, the "ideal" type of women for those who look for one thinking with
the head bet. the legs and not the one over the shoulders.
On the other hand, a lot of men over 30 are already out of shape according to the standard,
a few make over 40k a year and the females are looking for travel, learn golf and accept their
kids as his own.
I have nothing againts ambition and success in life. Security and financial stability is a top
priority for my woman and I'm lucky to see myself as a good provider. But in order for me to
be out of debt I can't have the latest truck for my work, an SUV to take the kids to school
and a few horses in the back yard.
As long as we don't learn the difference bet. the "Needs" and the "Wants"... it won't work.
Most of the women in southamerican countries, asian continent and the old comunist block
can find here and be happy with what some american women have for granted or think they
are entitled to. Those woman are no so competitive with men, service oriented to the point that don't make feel his man like "I do you a favor marrying you" and knows how to control
their PMs, bad days or whatever you called it.
They look for the green card? So what? Marriage is not an institution anymore, is bussiness.
The man that she marry is a looser? He will end up alone doesn't matter nationality or race.
She will wait for time to be the right to say bye,bye? Of course, she is dummie, not stupid.
May the relationship works? Yes, because the root are in the culture and tradition.
Does anyone have seen the documentary "Mail Order Wife"?
I'm not sure yet if the intention of the director was to prove a scam (real and posible, doesn't
mean always) or to show the image of a big time looser (exception have to be of the typical man) or both. I'm sure that if we don't get back to a values more important than a car, good
income, physicall image or competition with the Jones it will be more dificult for the every day
man and woman to hook-up and make a life together if their priority are others than respect,
concern, loyalty, harmony, get in bed at night to make love, and wake up in the morning and
ask ourselves "what can I do for my patner", instead "what can I get today".
The mail order brides dating system can be a bussiness, a scam, some form of modern slavery
but exists because sometimes works. That is a hope for the many men that just gave up to
match an american woman due her high expectations and laws that make him go broke in case
of divorce.
I don't imply with my opinions that the women should keep her mouth shut, do the dishes and
serve another beer to the lazycouchpotato futbolwatcher, I don't deny her right to put crazy
glue between his cheating legs. Just keep in mind the new competition you are facing.
One hand wash the another, both the face. Today, for many american men marriage is not
a win-win situation with some american women. | |
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Posted: 7/8/2006 6:19:12 AM |
Sometimes that may be the case, but the majority are rejecting the hypocritical, man-hating women of the western world. The pendulum has swung completely in the opposite direction since our parents' era, and men definitely are undervalued, unappreciated, and the outright objects of derision and hostility in the media and in our personal lives. Even though I could never marry a "mail-order bride" myself, I do however understand their motivation.
I am far from hypocritical and man hating. I simply love myself and feel that I deserve a decent, honest man. All women deserve a partner who loves, honours and cherishes them. Guess what? So do men! Marriage, or partnership, is a hard go. It involves effort, committment and respect. Whether the partner is from western or eastern civilization. We seem to live in a culture of instant gratification....don't want to have to work for something...
and fromvegas? I am not facing competition.....the men who aspire to be married to Britney Spears are not the men I want to spend my life with.....and while it may take more effort to find a man who has the same values as me, i still believe in love.......not convenience | |
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Posted: 7/8/2006 6:32:46 AM | Well, how many of you have actually tried the MOB. Not many judging by the responses. Yes, American women have priced themselves out the market. Perhaps American men are the same. But, in America you can't even look at a beautiful girl on the street without going into jail. We men are being relegated to second class citizens with fewer and fewer rights.
Why look elsewhere for women? First of all there are lots of scammers out there and as I said it is NOT different from plentyoffish. You want a woman who will work hard towards a meaningful relationship, whos diet is not McDonalds or who is going to be ok with cheap clothes and will appreciate the care and love from husband. I rather have a good woman who will not disappear on first problem in a relationship, than a high maintenance one which is interested only in herself.
I am not saying all American women are like that, but having spoken to a lot of Russian women I can tell you that they are way more down to earth. They want simple things in life, they want to love and to be loved. They are going to respect a husband who doesn't drink (a common problem in Russia) and who is honest. Most of them are average looking women - seriously, you can find many more beauties in America, but like I said, what's the point. Beauty fades away in a few years and what stays is love and understanding. Most of those Russian women are not jumping on first guy they see, they are as picky and choose as women are... They also like to be treated as women. The America has been spoiled with decades of feminism and with decades of junk culture. Most American males too.
I meet very few women of same age (26-30) who are as mature as Russian women. It is a huge difference. | |
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Posted: 7/8/2006 6:38:04 AM | Sigh....
A very unfortunate thing happens when you generalize......you miss out on something that could be potentially incredible. | |
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Posted: 7/8/2006 1:05:32 PM | Without getting into economic reasons (former Soviet countries)... there is no reason for a "good" young asian girl to look for her man of dreams in western culture. Asian culture is conservative to extreme and they don't like the broken family system in America. So why will a decent, well educated, beautiful young asian girl try to find man of her dreams in America through internet (but not marry a nice man who lives next door). Do you really believe that "good" men in those countries do not know how to care for their "good" women??? There are "myths" and then there are "myths".
My friends Philipino girlfriend told me that something like 80% of Philipino men have drinking problems!! | |
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Posted: 7/8/2006 2:25:50 PM | LOL Tallest...
To be honest a close friend of the family has just wed a Fillippino girl, half his age (24)...(His second wife)
I mean , to be honest , in her situation (Money etc) I can see how she is ' comfortable' with such a man, but I think he oughta be ashamed..
I dont think it can work...Not at all......
I think these men must get a kick out of 'buying' whatever they want...Including a wife...
I personally dont know how they can feel comfortable marrying someone...when they know (and lets face it they must know) that it aint for love !!!
I mean C'mon | |
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Posted: 7/8/2006 3:54:31 PM | "My friends Philipino girlfriend told me that something like 80% of Philipino men have drinking problems!!"
I see. Philipino women are so nice, cute, cuddely and men are just jerks. When was the last time I heard such a sweeping generalization about all men and women in a culture... hmmmmm... it was 5 minutes back in some other thread, that was about American men. 
I believe in every culture, men and women adjust their life according to social and economic conditions that exist in the culture. If some social condition effects men... it will effect women too. | |
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Posted: 7/8/2006 4:04:15 PM | | there was a story done on 60 minutes about a man that married a Russian woman and a man came with her supposedly her brother and anyway she and her brother Killed the husband and cleaned out the bank acct come to find out a short time later the brother was really her Husband, they were prosecuted and sent to prison.. Sweet N Louisiana | |
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Posted: 7/9/2006 7:33:31 PM | The point is that MOB is not different from POF. Women do not fall in love with you just because you write a letter - you have to visit her many times and spend time with her. It has also nothing to do with 'buying' a woman. Most of those women are perfectly ok with where they are - they are intelligent and many have good paying (for their standard) jobs. Yes, they want to move out, but they want to find love before everything.
Women are women are women whereever you go. But that many of those women are more down to earth and less demanding is the truth.
Look I am sure I can find 10 women in my neighbourhood that I would readily spend the rest of my life with. Yet, I am posting my profile here and there in hopes of reaching out a woman. I search for love and if I find it 2000 miles away so be it. It is becoming difficult to find a good woman (and I am sure women find it difficult to find a man). I don't know why, but this is especially true in big cities. | |
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Posted: 7/9/2006 8:17:47 PM | I helped a man with his car racing team and he also had a MOB. They had been married for a few years and seemed very happy. He was not the insecure dirty old man type. He ownwed a business and a race team and was exploring opening up a hotel in her home country. She is well educated and helps him in his business.
This was then first MOB that I had gotten to know. At first I was skeptical. But when I saw them at the races I thought they were well matched and happy.
I'm not sure it would work in a lot of cases but why not let other people enjoy what works for them. | |
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Posted: 8/25/2006 1:45:50 PM | | i thought about a russian mail order bride..seemed like a good idea but they kill you on the shipping | |
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Posted: 8/26/2006 8:01:30 AM | Gekko has a point...(Page 1)
I think one would be better off GOING to that particular country and meeting some women face to face (shop around), as well as getting to know one over time...The mail-order stuff can be dangerous, and many times...it's just a sham.
No "Svetlana By Wire" for me.... | |
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Posted: 8/26/2006 11:21:49 AM | LMAO.....thank God I am Canadian.....
Now, this is just a theory, but perhaps its the American woman that is being treated poorly by American men, and are no longer tolerating that behavior. Now maybe, and again, pure speculation here, but perhaps American men are dating women from other countries because American mens worst behavior is still better than how they have been treated in their own country (a sad, sad thought) and will tolerate it.....now of course this is pure speculation.....oh and notice the word ALL wasnt used when referring to American men.........
AMEN onlyfriends!!!
look in the mirror AGAIN boys!  | |
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Posted: 8/26/2006 11:56:31 AM | The reason those couples seem so happy is because the women are always so docile and would never argue with the man. They worship the man and will do whatever he says. So, of course, there won't appear to be any problems. Any guy who has to go overseas to find a slave basically to marry, obviously has some serious mental problems, social problems, or is just plain scary looking and a loser. Most of these women are just looking for a Greencard or are wanting a better life. I have a friends who's ex's father is American and had to go the the Phillipines in order to find some woman to marry. She refers to this guy as "the ugly version of Bill Gates." I just can't believe some guys are big enough losers to have to get some mail order bride in order to feel good about them
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