| Do men just not know what really constitutes an average weight?
Posted: 7/22/2007 1:14:46 PM | So...
What if your taller, or shorter than the avrage? Then, I would assume that your body weights "avrage/obesity" levels would therefore change right?
Now, im 6'0. 160(ish) lbs. However, I keep in good shape, and besides my head ;) I dont think youd be able to find much fat on me. I look at myself as athletic, possably skinny (godamn if I couldnt just put on another 15-20lbs!)
I think that a persons perception of themslefs is important. I really couldt give a flying rip what some uppity doctor in New York thinks I should weigh.
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| Do men just not know what really constitutes an average weight?
Posted: 7/22/2007 6:30:59 PM | | 5'11 and only 146lbs ??? 180lbs is considered overweight ???? Something not right there. Of all the guys I know who are that height, ALL are way over 146lbs except one, and everyone tells him to EAT. Shit, I'm only 5'8 and bounce between 170-175lbs , so that would make me Obese??? I hardly think so. And if I was to get serious about the gym, I would loose some weight then gain it all back plus more in muscle mass. My guess is, if your only eating veggies and fruit and doing a lot of cardiovascular exercise, and your 5'11 you would weigh 146lbs. If you like to have a BBQ and a cpl. beers once in a while, I'd bet majority of the 5'11 guys would be a healthy 180lb | |
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| Do men just not know what really constitutes an average weight?
Posted: 7/22/2007 6:45:40 PM | tim0066 the female averages are there they are the first set. Then the mens and then the way to figure out weather you are small average or large framed.....
I don't know if I agree with it because some people so look better with more or less weight. But I posted it for a refrence more than anything.
Now I just need to convince people I am not over weight it is all muscle......lol | |
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| Do men just not know what really constitutes an average weight?
Posted: 7/22/2007 7:01:54 PM | | ya know,I gotta say,that I did the bmi thing,and it says up to 180 for my height is healthy!I actually am in pretty good shape,but definitely could lose a few.I really think that they've upped all this so called healthy weight srtuff because so many people are overweight.For my age,I actually am in alot better shape than most. | |
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| Do men just not know what really constitutes an average weight?
Posted: 7/22/2007 7:29:45 PM |
OK...I ment this forum as a PSA for men,
That's great and all. But there's little demand for a 150 pound man who's 5'11". (Which can be downright scrawny in some cases)
Until there's a demand, there won't be a reason to change. Infact, the demand for men is usually bigger is better.
I'm at 5'10" and 180. While "technically" overweight, I'm smaller and thinner than most men around me. | |
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| Do men just not know what really constitutes an average weight?
Posted: 7/22/2007 7:36:27 PM | The who expects everyone to look like some stick person. I bet very few of the people who work for the who can even meet the guidelines they have set for being healthy.
According to their tables. I should weight no more then 182!!!
I haven't weighted that since I was 18. I was a boney lanky beanpole.
And that is what the WHO says is healthy????
I have been losing weight for over a year now. My goal was nowhere near that mark.
I set it my goal at 220. If I were go be lighter then that I would be losing muscle mass. I may not have a sixpak, nor do I desire to have one. But the 10 inches I have lost are not missed one bit.
Sorry WHO...But I will not sacrafice my comfort levels for your lame study and insane numbers.
Now how about someone bring this issue (or move the thread) to the health and fitness forum. It isnt just a male issue. Its a people issue. | |
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| Do men just not know what really constitutes an average weight?
Posted: 7/22/2007 7:52:55 PM |
According to this chart, I would be overweight. I'm 5'11" and 190, but I also have some muscle mass which this chart, BMI, and other similair charts and calculations don't take into account.
According to this chart, I would be underweight by 10 pounds, even on the low end of the scale. No way. It makes no sense (to me), because I KNOW I'm not. All these scales and charts and "averages." I'm sticking with the low-tech version of things. If my favourite outfits start feeling snug, I'll either cut back on the goodies for a few weeks or be a bit more active until I'm happy. It's easy to gain a few pounds, especially now that I'm older, but it's also a lot easier to lose five or 10 than to let it go and have to lose 20 or 50. I'm lazy. I'll go with the easy route. | |
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| Do men just not know what really constitutes an average weight?
Posted: 7/22/2007 7:53:24 PM | The whole BMI thing is calculated around the average height of a man being 5'7. A woman being 5'4.
They found healthy numbers at that range, and instead of altering them exponentially for growth figuring not only changes in height, but in relative thickness, they altered them linearly/multiplicativley, so that a change of 1 inch in either direction is the same change for "ideal weight".
I am personally 5'11, 245 pounds- but nobody guesses me at that. My bone density is higher than most people, my muscle mass above average. I'm supposedly 65 pounds over my ideal weight, and while I could say that I could lose a few pounds, I am by no means "morbidly obese" as the WHO would make me out to be. | |
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| Do men just not know what really constitutes an average weight?
Posted: 7/22/2007 8:11:38 PM | First off its not just men.
The BMI is meant to broadly categorize populations for purely statistical purposes. Thus it doesn't take into account muscle density, so someone 5'11" and could weight lets say 195 lbs, but could be bodybuilder physique and fit but still considered overweight.
I know I'm overweight and should lose weight but seriously if i went of the BMI I would have to weigh 160-215 to be considered normal.....being 6'6" that would make me a bean pole!
I think alot of people say "average" because well all the other "average" people look like this rather than looking it up on a chart. | |
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Posted: 7/24/2007 5:02:58 AM | According the to WHO, Average is a BMI of 20-25.
But according to the dictionary, average is the statistical mean, or the expected value, or what most people are.
So, the WHO is NOT using the dictionary definition of the word "average". They have re-defined it for their own purposes.
I can understand their desire for this. They wish to promote the idea that most people should be this height. Unfortunately this type of subliminal messaging leads to confusion, more than anything else.
Most men define average as being about the same as most other men their height, just like the dictionary. In a country that has 30% of people being obese, that means that a LOT of men on this site are average, or even skinny.
But according to the WHO, those people are overweight, or at best average.
So, the WHO is confusing the matter.
It would really help things if the word "average" is best left to mean what most people are, and use the word "healthy" instead.
It would also help if people prioritised personality over looks. | |
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| Do men just not know what really constitutes an average weight?
Posted: 7/24/2007 6:36:01 AM |
It seems the majority of people lie to themselves to make themselves feel better. Denial. Just as alcoholics and drug addicts do. I couldn't live with myself.
There's a lot of truth in this.
I think that many of the men here are guilty of vastly overestimating how much of their body composition is muscle, and how much is fat, and how much they could lose. It's a nice way to justify the mismatch between the figures people keep providing and themselves.
For a guy, you can generally say that at 10% body fat or under you will have visible abs, at 15% you will look very fit & healthy, and at 20% you'll perhaps have a slight belly. Above that is where you actually start to look quite fat.
If you've got a little bit of a belly then, chances are you could afford to lose at LEAST 10% of your body mass in fat. For a 200lb guy, that means you could drop to 180lbs - you would not look nearly as skinny as you think you will.
You can lose a lot more bodyweight in fat than you think you can before you start looking like a beanpole. | |
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| Do men just not know what really constitutes an average weight?
Posted: 7/24/2007 7:31:00 AM | | I will debate the WHO health data. I have just retired from the US Army and for a person my height 5'11" (71") age 37. I am allowed to be 197lbs or under 24% body fat. So I don't believe the WHO takes anything into account other then weight. The average guy has a 16 inch neck, where I have a 18.25 inch neck. This mean I am not average in mass, so saying that I am an average guy at 235lbs is about right. Also forget all the numbers and just look at people the "average" person today. They are alot more then 20-30 pounds overweight so someone can say they are average being only 20-30lbs overweight and be technically right. | |
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| Do men just not know what really constitutes an average weight?
Posted: 7/24/2007 10:09:37 AM | I'm 5'6" & 161 lbs. I guess I'm too fat to date on POF! 
Here's another factoid- if you admit to being a few pounds over- guess how many men will look at your profile because they assume you're actually 300 lbs? My pictures are recent and I'm no skinny thing- but I'm working out and dieting.
When I'm at my goal- it will be interestingto see who changes their tune and suddenly finds me dateable. Because it's what's on the inside that counts- of course. | |
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| Do men just not know what really constitutes an average weight?
Posted: 7/24/2007 12:10:20 PM | | My weight fluctautes between 240 and 260 and I am 5'11''. However, I htink weight charts and the like can mislead those of us in the gym who have a lot of muscle on their body. You need to look at BMI (fat to muscle ratio), not just the scale weight. | |
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| Do men just not know what really constitutes an average weight?
Posted: 7/24/2007 4:22:33 PM | well the BMI that everyone talks about does not give you a good idea of about what you should weigh.
For me I would rather see what I should weigh in comparison to the BMI I have on another post somewhere that just says I am obese...Duh I know that...Now tell me about what I should weight for my height and frame....
I am 5'4" or 64" either chart reads the same I should weigh between 140 and 145... | |
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| Do men just not know what really constitutes an average weight?
Posted: 7/24/2007 4:27:13 PM | Risk of Associated Disease According to BMI and Waist Size
BMI Waist less than or equal to
40 in. (men) or
35 in. (women) Waist greater than
40 in. (men) or
35 in. (women)
18.5 or less Underweight -- N/A
18.5 - 24.9 Normal -- N/A
25.0 - 29.9 Overweight Increased High
30.0 - 34.9 Obese High Very High
35.0 - 39.9 Obese Very High Very High
40 or greater Extremely Obese Extremely High Extremely High
Determining Your Body Mass Index (BMI)
The table below has already done the math and metric conversions. To use the table, find the appropriate height in the left-hand column. Move across the row to the given weight. The number at the top of the column is the BMI for that height and weight. Or, use our BMI calculator.
BMI
(kg/m2) 19-20-21-22-23-24-25-26-27-28-29-30-35-40
Height
(in.) Weight (lb.)
58 -91 96 100 105 110 115 119 124 129 134 138 143 167 191
59 -94 99 104 109 114 119 124 128 133 138 143 148 173 198
60 -97 102 107 112 118 123 128 133 138 143 148 153 179 204
61- 100 106 111 116 122 127 132 137 143 148 153 158 185 211
62- 104 109 115 120 126 131 136 142 147 153 158 164 191 218
63- 107 113 118 124 130 135 141 146 152 158 163 169 197 225
64 -110 116 122 128 134 140 145 151 157 163 169 174 204 232
65 -114 120 126 132 138 144 150 156 162 168 174 180 210 240
66- 118 124 130 136 142 148 155 161 167 173 179 186 216 247
67- 121 127 134 140 146 153 159 166 172 178 185 191 223 255
68- 125 131 138 144 151 158 164 171 177 184 190 197 230 262
69 -128 135 142 149 155 162 169 176 182 189 196 203 236 270
70- 132 139 146 153 160 167 174 181 188 195 202 207 243 278
71 -136 143 150 157 165 172 179 186 193 200 208 215 250 286
72- 140 147 154 162 169 177 184 191 199 206 213 221 258 294
73 144 151 159 166 174 182 189 197 204 212 219 227 265 302
74 148 155 163 171 179 186 194 202 210 218 225 233 272 311
75 152 160 168 176 184 192 200 208 216 224 232 240 279 319
76 156 164 172 180 189 197 205 213 221 230 238 246 287 328
Body weight in pounds according to height and body mass index.
This is the best that the chart would transfer into... | |
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| Do men just not know what really constitutes an average weight?
Posted: 7/24/2007 4:44:11 PM | Some things to consider:
1) The WHO figures suck. They go off height / weight / gender - which is LAME data. Some people are "small boned" and some are "big boned". The best data is to go off of body fat percentage.
2) Americans are some of the fattest people on the planet.
I used to be one of them, and whine / **** / complain about how people are superficial. Then I realized, "Wait, I'm superficial too. I don't want a rail of a chick, but I don't want a whale either."
I lost weight. I get ladies. Problem solved. | |
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| Do men just not know what really constitutes an average weight?
Posted: 7/25/2007 4:28:10 AM | | Always love those charts the insurance companies use (hint: they use them to justify charging us higher rates). Ever seen a 162 pound man who's six four? He'd look like the poor starving ethiopians we used to get pictures of in the newspapers. I get a kick out of knowing that the WHO and the insurance companies consider all the NBA stars to be 'obese'. So much for the 'authorities'. | |
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| Do men just not know what really constitutes an average weight?
Posted: 7/25/2007 6:55:05 AM | The word "average" is:
an estimation of or approximation to an arithmetic mean b : a level typical of a group, class, or series
With that said, there are far too many groups in the world to say that there really is an average person or man. Can you really compare the average Chinese man (who may be 5'5", 135lbs) to the average Norwegian man (who may be 6'1", 195lbs)? Can you really compare the average American (who eats fast food about 4 times a week) to the average Ethiopian ( who may never see a fast food restaurant in his life)?
The point is that when determining what one should entered as a person's body type, what group of people are they going to compare themselves to in order to decide? The answer: One would compare themselves to their piers...i.e. Other people on this site.
My question to the OP is, who gives a rat's ass what category anyone putts themselves in. It doesn't change their actual size in any way. Get over it. | |
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| Do men just not know what really constitutes an average weight?
Posted: 7/25/2007 8:17:04 AM | msg 1.
-OP. Allthough, type II diabetes is a major factor in both heart disease and obesity, these factors can be mitigated by diet, exercise and being mindful of a doctors advice, including a set regimin of medications and testing. Keeping on top of type II Diabetes is a lifelong challenge.
Poor hygene, laziness, and the vain hope that the medications will alter risky lifestyle choices/ decisions requires no effort at all. Hence a person with type II diabetes might find themselves using that as a crutch to explain/ excuse, poor hygene, obesity through laziness and dietary rediculousness.
All to typical, especially when its much easier to live life with a "Wonder Crutch" that excuses everything. ;)
Now it seems obvious that the "standards" of how much a person should weigh are in need of serious revision. But
But this is something BOTH women and men need to look at. And not the exclusive province of "men just not getting it". It would seem by the nature of your question, being that decisively canted, is equally obvious that the quality of males in your life might be sadly lacking any capacity to care or be interested. About either a legitimate problem, or the "Wonder Crutch" that is often spawned by it. And interest is the key.
The solution for the weight issue is easy, a standard ratio of body fat to total mass of subject. Weight is a byproduct of cellular composition and gravity, muscle being much more dense, hence massive then fat. Methinks.
But the true question is, and allways has been, "What is attractive?" That's allways a constraint found within the person.
But a person being lazy, unhygenic, and "obese" or in other words "Fat" is manifestly obvious, requiring no medical condition that needs association with. If a person happens to find another persons appearance or style distateful. Then thats on them, as they say.
What a person does to alter that perception if possible, is on you.
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Posted: 7/25/2007 9:13:52 AM | I just had to get in on this topic for sure. I used to be a lot heavier then I am now. I lost a lot of weight and am in good health now but I can tell you that I am average but my weight may not reflect what you consider average. I am very active and have quite a bit of muscle so if you think that at 155 pounds is obese then think again. It really does depend on your body type.....small frame, large frame, how much muscle you have because it does weigh more then fat. I lost 100 lbs 3 years ago and although the charts say I should weigh between 125 and 142 for my height my doc agrees that for me that would be too small. I used to weigh 139 for a short time and I did not look good.
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