| Do men just not know what really constitutes an average weight?
Posted: 9/19/2007 7:52:52 AM |
Women, OTOH, look in the mirror and see Medusa. They see Roseanne Barr hips where there are normal, womanly hips. They see small breasts where there are normal breasts. They see droopy breasts where there are large breasts that are shaped normally for their size. They see big noses where there are small ones, acne where none exists, wrinkles that are merely smile lines, etc. Of course women see this. We are bombarded with images of how we should look, our value is based on our beauty.
So well, some men will have no clue they are obese. They will think they are average when they are really just fat. Some women will know they are obese and will put "average" to get through men's filters because they know that at least they will have a chance at being looked at rather than immediately filtered out. And that is the game we play with each other.
This isn't always true. There are plenty of women ( just like men ) who really think that they are average, athletic, or a few pounds overweight when they are really obese.
why is an ugly chick always still better than a fat chick?
If a man doesn't date fat women, then fat women are probably generally unattractive to him. I doubt many men would date an unattractive woman just because she is skinny or n0t fat. | |
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| Do men just not know what really constitutes an average weight?
Posted: 9/19/2007 9:24:12 AM | I'm exceptional, not average in the weight department. They used to have to measure my body fat in the Army because I was always 30lbs over the average weight for my height. I had a six pack and was fairly muscular. No where near body-builder size though, in-fact I didn't lift weights at all, it's just my natural build.
Over the years, I've put on some weight. Some of it came from growing (most men fill out at around the age of 25-26), I also grew about an inch and some of it came from getting lazy. I'm 6'3" tall and 285-290lbs, but most people guess my weight to be 250-260. In the Army, I was 6'2" tall and weighed 220-225lbs. I'm just naturally heavy, I must have thick/dense bones or something. In-fact, I got down to 205lbs once and I was basically emaciated. I consider myself to be overweight atm (but very far from obese). I think I need to lose about 35-40lbs. I think that some people would be obese with an extra 35-40lbs on them. I'm built like an NFL offensive lineman or a world's strongest man contestant. I used to be built like a stripper 
I firmly believe that weight doesn't matter, it should be how you look and how you feel. I'm 30 years old and played semi-pro football at the start of the summer (as well as all of last year), the only reason I quit was because of knee issues. What's funny is even being out of shape, old, having an ankle injury from last season and being close to 300lbs... I still ran a 6 sec flat 40yd dash.
Overall the "average weight" isn't really the average weight, it's more akin to the "ideal weight". Just my two cents.
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| Do men just not know what really constitutes an average weight?
Posted: 9/19/2007 12:19:02 PM |
The reason for type 2 diabetes on old age on-set diabetes. Crap, I'm so old, no WONDER I have "Type Pi" diabetes. I've lived 3.14169 times longer than anyone should given my diet of Pepsi, Fruit Loops, pork rind, anabolic steroids and cigars. | |
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| Do men just not know what really constitutes an average weight?
Posted: 9/19/2007 1:00:25 PM | | Hmmmm...I'm 5'8 and weight 192.5Lbs as of right now. I absolutley know I'm not obese, I just have a stalky build. Admittedly I have a beer gut which needs removed, but thats about it. I don't have fat arms, legs, neck, back, or man titties. Haha. | |
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| Do men just not know what really constitutes an average weight?
Posted: 9/19/2007 5:32:55 PM | I take size 12 jeans, dont have a pot belly or a six pack, and I would consider myself average and healthy.
If you saw me in person (the Cowboys pic in my profile is the closest photo) you wouldn't guess I fall into the "obese" category but I do. My BP has been 118-76 since I was old enough to notice, and my cholesterol very low. Those charts dont take into account frame size or muscle mass. I have a very large frame, even though my bones like my wrist and my collarbone, show. Not only that I take a size 11 shoe, mens L gloves because those are the only ones with the fingers long enough, and have to wear mens turtlenecks because they're the only ones with long enough arms (the arms in women's only come 3/4 the way down mine). Also because of muscle mass, I am 30 lbs heavier than I was in HS, but take a smaller jeans size than I did then. Nothing is going to change my shoe size or frame size, and I am quite content with the fact that I will never have the possiblity to ever be a size 6.
Its just a number, folks. Quit bugging yourselves and others over it. | |
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| Do men just not know what really constitutes an average weight?
Posted: 9/19/2007 7:18:17 PM |
This isn't always true. There are plenty of women ( just like men ) who really think that they are average, athletic, or a few pounds overweight when they are really obese.
Well seeing as how I was speaking in general...I never said it was always true. Most women are far more critical of their looks than most men are. Most big men I've known think they are smokin' hot and would think you were nuts if you suggested they lose weight. However, there are always exceptions.
I know I am fat, I say I am fat on profile, my pictures include enough of my body to show it. I also know I eat much healthier than most people I know and I exercise on a fairly regular basis (sometimes more regular than others.) I also know I don't have to justify my size to anyone either. I wish more people would think the same way. | |
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| Do men just not know what really constitutes an average weight?
Posted: 9/19/2007 9:02:38 PM | | You don't have to justify your weight to anyone, but it still doesn't change the fact that some people won't be attracted to heavier people. If you're happy with your body that's cool, but you have to be realistic with your expectations in a significant other. Not to say that you aren't, I'm just throwing that out there. | |
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| Do men just not know what really constitutes an average weight?
Posted: 9/19/2007 11:03:21 PM | What expectations would those be, exactly? I'd like to know as a fat person what expectations am I allowed to have according to you and why any of those expectations should be any different than a thin person's? (I'm asking in a genuine, non-combative way in case it comes off that way)
I never asked for anyone to be attracted to me. All I said is that I am not, and people should not, continually feel the need to justify themselves to other people. We are all people deserving of love and respect provided we behave in a loving and respectful manner. Just because one doesn't float another's boat, doesn't mean they have to justify their worthiness for love. | |
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| Do men just not know what really constitutes an average weight?
Posted: 9/20/2007 2:13:31 AM | Hey OP,
Ya hurt my feelings...
I'm 5'10 and 184lbs... Dang it...I missed by 4 lbs.   
I would like to inject this thought..
At least I show it on my profile picture...
What get's me is those that do everything they can not to show their weight...
Like head shots etc. And to top it off, they claim an average weight. And for the most part they are 30lbs and up over average.
Don't get me wrong, it's not the weight, it's the deception....  | |
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| Do men just not know what really constitutes an average weight?
Posted: 9/20/2007 2:21:12 AM | The expectation of your significant other's attractiveness. If you can't take care of yourself, why should you expect a partner to? I've been at both ends of the spectrum. When I was fit and in shape, I expected my significant other to be so also. Now I'm overweight, I can't expect someone to put in the hard work of maintaining a healthy/fit body, if I'm not also. Of course we'll be drawn to people that are good-looking and fit, but to expect them to be attracted to someone who is not, isn't realistic. Possible sure... but not the norm. You're allowed to have any expectation you want, but if it's unrealistic, you're only hurting yourself.
If you've been in a relationship, then you have asked someone to find you attractive (figuratively). I agree that you shouldn't be made to feel that you're less of a person, if you're overweight or unattractive. Yet, you can find respect and love without being in a relationship... it's called friendship. Attractiveness is a fairly important factor in a relationship. My point was just that people need to be realistic in their pursuit of finding a relationship... IMHO, I think many people aren't in a relationship because they're expectations are unrealistic. If you want a hot partner, you need to work on being hot yourself TBH.
Maybe I misunderstood your original post and thought you were referring to relationships, not in general. I agree that everyone should be treated well, in general, regardless of appearance. | |
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| Do men just not know what really constitutes an average weight?
Posted: 9/20/2007 7:20:18 AM | I used the calculator,
Im 6'4 200
It said i have a bmi of 24.3
25 being overweight
so Im barely out of the overweight catagory. Seems a bit silly to me because I dont feel like im even close to overwieght. I used to weigh 185 and felt skinny so conciously bulked myself up. I think 200 is not that much for someone who is 6'4. Those calculater sux | |
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| Do men just not know what really constitutes an average weight?
Posted: 9/20/2007 7:23:28 AM |
The expectation of your significant other's attractiveness. If you can't take care of yourself, why should you expect a partner to? I've been at both ends of the spectrum. When I was fit and in shape, I expected my significant other to be so also. Now I'm overweight, I can't expect someone to put in the hard work of maintaining a healthy/fit body, if I'm not also. Of course we'll be drawn to people that are good-looking and fit, but to expect them to be attracted to someone who is not, isn't realistic. Possible sure... but not the norm. You're allowed to have any expectation you want, but if it's unrealistic, you're only hurting yourself.
Well, maybe you should tell that to the men here who are looking in their mirrors and seeing a sixer instead of a keg...
Personally, no, I am not a hypocrite. I exercise, I eat healthily, and according to my doctor, I am healthy. If my doctor is not concerned about my weight, neither am I. Of course my attitude about weight is far different than most people's because I like to be informed. In any case, I contest that "fit" is the only form of "attractive." I also do not believe that "fat" and "attractive" are mutally exclusive terms. If someone wants to judge and make assumptions of me, they are free too. I just lack those same judgements about them until I see their behaviors...because if you're "fit" because you're snorting crank and running around like a crazy person, you are far from healthy.
My personal taste? I've dated very skinny, count-the-ribs men, bigger men, and average men. I find chubby guys attractive. Someone who is roughly the same build as me, but in a man's size. That is my preference, but I don't allow it to rule out anyone either because like I said, I've been with boney guys as well and they are just as much fun. My preference is also for someone who enjoys eating healthy food (that I can cook!) and talking a walk and enjoying it for what it is--not because it fufills a vanity need. When I see a hardbodied guy with muscles bulging everywhere, it isn't attractive to me. Veins are a bit grod. For one, it's not a natural state (anthropology background speaking.) For two, I forsee a future of, "no honey, I can't come home and bang you like a screendoor in a hurricane! I have to finish my four hour workout and burn these last 20 carbs!" Sorry, I am a bit selfish...
Btw: Pic #1 FTW. Far more smokin' than all of the others combined although the only thing decipherable is the fck. | |
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| Do men just not know what really constitutes an average weight?
Posted: 9/20/2007 7:28:52 AM |
I used the calculator,
Im 6'4 200
It said i have a bmi of 24.3
25 being overweight
so Im barely out of the overweight catagory. Seems a bit silly to me because I dont feel like im even close to overwieght. I used to weigh 185 and felt skinny so conciously bulked myself up. I think 200 is not that much for someone who is 6'4. Those calculater sux
Now tell that to people who want to put a BMI on the profile!
Did you know the cutoffs were lowered based on nothing? They were changed in, I believe, 1998. The BMI cutoff for "overweight" used to be 27 or 28. Obese was 33. Those few points add up to quite a few poinds. Did you also know the BMI penalizes shorter people? Proportionally, your chances of being labelled obese are greater if you are shorter because of the way the BMI is calculated. I can dig up a study that discusses that.
My cutoff? 124lbs. Mind you, when I actually weighed that, I had visible muscle in my legs and arms. I was nowhere near being "overweight" or "unhealthy." I just had a bunch of muscle. The BMI has issues. | |
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| Do men just not know what really constitutes an average weight?
Posted: 9/20/2007 8:10:55 AM | Ugh... let me make this perfectly clear people. No one knows what healthy weight is really. Anyone who tells you they do really -IS- trying to sell you something. Science doesn't work that way and certainly not medical science. There is no true "ideal" weight that anyone has been able to really and truely find, and hence there is no real factor for it in our real biological attraction. People hate to face this but it remains the truth our views of "beauty" are trained into us. As such we have choices, accept them, change them, and even deny them. Most choose to deny. Medicine gives guidelines based on observed trends, but those can be misleadings even type 2 diabetes called "adult onset" is not always something that waits till adult hood, or the overweight/obese.
People need to learn to stop tryin to justify predjudice and thats all it really is a predjudice. Even the phrases used are the same. People should expect and stick to their own kinds.. only want fit if they are fit, only want heavy if they are heavy etc. Its a pathetic and sad state that after so many years we are still so afraid of our own shadows that we cannot learn to see a person instead of a shape or a color. | |
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| Do men just not know what really constitutes an average weight?
Posted: 9/20/2007 10:32:58 AM | I'm having trouble believing those numbers - there is no way in the world the average height of a man is 5'11". In addtion, what does average imply? Most people are that size - what significance does that hold?
I do know the average dress size in this country has increase from a size eight in the 1950s to a size 12 today and were all living longer and smoking less.
What we really need is a happiness quotient. | |
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| Do men just not know what really constitutes an average weight?
Posted: 9/20/2007 12:22:00 PM | Just what the world needs, is another yardstick to judge someone with, so we can all feel a little further from the ideal.
I don't know what my BMI is, nor do I care. Nor am I concerned about the BMI of anyone else. I eat well and exercise. If health is not enough for someone, oh well.  | |
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| Do men just not know what really constitutes an average weight?
Posted: 9/20/2007 12:43:33 PM | | I'm a tad under 5'11 if I wieghed 145 I'd look like a famine victim. When was 180-185 I looked healthy and buff. That was when I was 20-30s I put some on since and "I" think I look fat but told I'm not. I think 190-200 would be about right for me now. Even being over 200 now my BP is what it was in my 20's I'm healthy but chubby. If I got down to 145 I'd be at the doc in a hurry. You can't lump everyone in the same bucket. This doesnt take body type into consideration either. Overly simplified, people are one of three body types Ectomorph, Endomorph and Mesomorph. That taken into consideration the numbers would be acurate but I doubt still valid. | |
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| Do men just not know what really constitutes an average weight?
Posted: 9/20/2007 12:50:51 PM | Most men or women doesn't know what size of clothing each other wears..
The whole weight thing is a moot point.. If you are fit, healthy, etc, then you are not over weight..
If you look like a bowl of jello when you walk and it continues to jiggle after you stop There is a problem. I personally go with the if you can pinch an inch or 2 you are probably fine.. If you can grab a handfull. Get off the sofa or away from the desk.
do not stop at fast food places...
Alot of my friends and Ihave had this conversation. Men have no clue what size a dress is or a pair of jeans they know what they want... The same as women... I was recently shocked when a guy friend of mine was buying a pair of pants. We were are check out I saw the size and thougth no way is he that big. This guy is hot has the sixpack... He was buying a pair of 36 jeans.. So I dont' think we have a clue to what sizes really are..
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Posted: 9/20/2007 1:25:04 PM | After scanning the posts, I failed to see any mention of a news report I caught a year or so ago. The report was about how these statistics had been dropped by about 20% and how it might effect insurance premiums since so many more ended up in the “overweight” catagory. I doubt any extra hospital admissions resulted from the change for weight related problems, but it looks like ( if this thread is any indication) there may have been quite a few from elevated blood pressure.  | |
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| Do men just not know what really constitutes an average weight?
Posted: 9/20/2007 2:45:06 PM | ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ It was a couple of years ago. A BMI of 25 used to be the cut off point, now a BMI of 24 is the edge of "normal weight", and 25-29 is now a new category of "overweight". BMI of 30 is still the borderline of obesity.
Low body fat is really much more of an indicator of health than BMI. Men who are body builders can have a BMI of 30 or even above, and be 5 percent body fat. It's not the body weight, but the body fat, that cause the metabolic problems in obesity.
Hopefully everyone has done their exercise today to keep from any elevated blood pressure that this thread might have caused. 
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| Do men just not know what really constitutes an average weight?
Posted: 9/20/2007 4:26:41 PM | is this thread foreal ?? so your calling just about 85 percent of men in the NFL obeist ?? Michael Vick is 6'1 , 215.... Ray Lewis 6'1, 245 ...U can't measure a person by hight and pounds.. Look at Lejla Ali... she's 175 pounds... there are waaaayy too many varibles involved.. If u stand your average Joe thats also 6'1 215 next to Michael Vick.... Your gonna see 2 totally different body types... Stand the average 6'1 245 pound person next to Ray Lewis and I gurantee the difference would be night in day So all this crap about you gotta weigh this much if your this tall is a bunch of balony... Just another ploy to get you to dig in your wallet and make you hire a personal trainer to buy your weight loss suppliments (THAT DON'T WORK) and to go to your local surgen to get lypo, boob jobs , tummy tucks and penis enlargements... How bout we find a cure for altimerz , cancer, aids ... Gee Wiz only in America.. LOL . I'm 6'1 205 and I love my body the way it is.. Ima go spend my money on Halo 3 LOL... Have a great day ladies and gents... and happy fish'n ! | |
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| Do men just not know what really constitutes an average weight?
Posted: 9/21/2007 6:36:58 AM | No one knows what healthy weight is really
I have to disagree we all know at what weight our bodies are the healthiest,but as we slowly gain weight througout the years our standards lower as we have age as a contributing factor(excuse) to account for our weight gain.How many people say I am good shape for my age or I am not bad for my age,when we start doing this we lose our incentive to get back to our healthiest weight. As I have stated in a different post about weight we all rationalize being overweight by saying "I am active" "I am fit" Etc...but what does that mean?The guy on here is a perfect example..he said he can run a 6 second 40 at his weight(6 secs is still great for a big guy)...but most guys that are in shape run it in under 5 seconds.I am not saying this is a conscious thing but ask yourselves how many times have you limited the things that you do based on your weight? Back on topic ..sorry about that...no one likes any type of labeling especially when it makes them realize something about themselves that is unsettling like obesity. Standards and charts aren't perfect they just give you a starting point, all of you know this but many of you are in the rationalization mind set...or the delusional..accept how you are and how people see you and you will be a lot happier...if you don't like how you are change it! | |
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