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Posted: 3/9/2008 2:01:12 PM | Rune,
To reply to your first question :
That's what you said, not what I said. I said that that's the way we're hardwired. As it happens though, as a statement of fact, you're almost right. You included two points in one sentence and tried to pass them off as inextricably linked though. Nice try.
We ARE controlled by primevil urges. How we deal with those urges is another matter altogether.
Since you've based the next paragraph on the false presumptions made in the first paragraph, I'll just skip that.
It is inappropriate to relate sexually to anybody. That's the generally policy in the working world whether it be government or private employment agencies we're referring to. However, that's also black and white thinking. Your assumption (even though you know better) is that people will always react a certain way to any deviation from this policy. If that were true it's a safe bet that the majority of men and probably a sizeable peercentage of women would have been locked up or fined some exhorbitant fee long ago. Now, if you really want to believe that all women are offended by male attention of a sexual nature (even though this isn't necessarily 'dirty') then go ahead and believe that. You should know better but sure, cling to whatever comforts you and helps you maintain irrational beliefs. That's your ignorance if you choose to believe it.
Now, as to your ad-hominem attacks , go ahead and delight in them as you see fit. You're making a number of mistakes in doing so but primarily you're underestimating how much thought actually went into my initial statement. Most importantly, just because you've managed to remember a few choice lines from Broca's Brain or whatever source you've used hardly makes you an expert on the inner workings on the brain. I would bet that I'm far more knowledgeable on the subject than you are but since we both have internet access , it's a moot point. In truth, what we're discussing here is interaction between the sexes and the social construct we're trying to fit proverbial square pegs into.
So let's turn to the kernel of the matter here. In your self-righteous rush to judgment, point out precisely what I said that was so offensive. That way I can show you the qualifiers and explain why your argument is based on a misreading of my statement.
Miss Eyre,
you're boring and frankly your responses are too predictable. If you prefer I'll simply type them up for you so as to save us both the time. I love your perception of my comments toward Reactionary. Only those such as yourself would go to the trouble of reading that in such a way. I wonder if Reactionary took it to be a condescending remark ? If you really want to see how well your facade holds up, why don't you think about my remark to Reactionary as though you were her. I'd like to see how you're going to manage to contrive her reaction to be anything but graciousness. That would be about the most interesting thing I believe you could offer at this point.
Anyway, I'm going out. Maybe I remember this thread , maybe I don't. You should both consider taking on the same laissez-faire philosophy towards the subject. | |
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Posted: 3/9/2008 2:12:51 PM | Well, perhaps if I persist, gottapulse, i can do the world a favour and bore you to death....
I'll try my best.
First of all,... Your first post is a very personal post, based on your BELIEF that making comments on a womans chest, or other part of her body, is flattery, because YOU see it as positive commentary. You stare, and perhaps comment, because YOU want to, not because it flatters the woman, indeed, even if it does not flatter her, you defend your right to do it. If youre in doubt about wether a woman will appreciate your comments or attention, I'd say its best to say nowt,.. it'll save you a lot of grief.
Staring at a womans chest.. thats because you want to,.. self gratification.. commenting on her body.. thats because you are hoping she'll be receptive to that,.. again, self gratification.. opportunist and predatory behaviour of the less harmful kind, but irritating, none the less.
In fact, I should know better than to try and reason with a bigoted individual,.. really, the only thing that will help you, is to release you into the wild, where you can run around, grunting,.. and humping rocks, or whatever takes your 'primeval' fancy. Miss Eyre. | |
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Posted: 3/9/2008 2:16:03 PM | gotapulse:
We ARE controlled by primevil urges. How we deal with those urges is another matter altogether. Well you may be controlled by your urges but most of us are capable of experiencing an urge and making a decision as to how we behave in response to that feeling. Your point fails, as is evidenced by the fact that every day people resist punching their bosses on the nose or slamming their fists through their computer screens. | |
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Posted: 3/9/2008 2:19:56 PM | ^^^^^ exactly Rune,.lol...
Or resisting the urge to reach through the pc screen and throttle chauvinistic and totally blinkered posters..
Oh, being a monkey with internet access can be very trying at times.. I wonder,..lol,.. if I smack the next man who stares at my chest,.. can I use my 'primeval' urge to defend myself against a predator as a legitimate defence? Miss Eyre. | |
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Posted: 3/9/2008 2:55:30 PM | One of my friends was wearing a T-Shirt the other day, it was plain black and lettered thusly: Boobies make me 
Recently, a DJ on my favourite radio station described "Hooray for Boobies!" by The Bloodhound Gang as the best album title of all time.
Sorry for interjecting that bit of trivia... but things seemed awfully serious. They're just breasts. We stare at your asses more... but only because you can't see us looking. You other brothers can't deny, that when a girl walks in with an itty bitty waist and a round thing in your face, you get a pole and put up a tent...
Let me offer this Guy to Girl Pact... if you've got'em, and promise to keep flaunting them... I (and all other guys who are willing to be bound by this pact) will promise to look you in the eyes more than we stare at your cleavage. | |
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Posted: 3/9/2008 3:04:49 PM | | I agree Garnet73 this post has gotten wayyyyyyyy tooooo serious. It to me is just a flipping joke guys look at girls look at guys its what makes this world a better place. Who cares we are all human. Now I do agree its not right to stare and make sexist comments. I have in the past stared at them but I was in a strip club where I paid to look at them. lmao. But just treat others with respect and thats what you shall receive thats what my parents told me and thats what I go by. Hmmm I wonder why I can't get a date since I treat all with respect maybe girls like for guys to be rude and crude it seems to work for a lot of my fellow men out there. | |
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Posted: 3/9/2008 3:32:42 PM | | And I second that agreement! Too serious!! First off, what real harm is done if a guy stares? Big deal! That doesn't automatically mean that he now has a certain impression of you. Just means you have great boobs. Face it we are vuisual creatures. I catch myself staring. It's almost uncontrolable at times. So, it that makes me a monkey, pass a banana, and you take a chill pill! | |
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Posted: 3/9/2008 5:36:55 PM | | I have a bad habit of looking down when thinking... I think that I think a lot and I get to see very nice boobs while I'm thinking.. Now I'm not thinking of boobs, I usually am thinking of what to say when a woman says " Are you staring at my boobs" That's usually the time I notice her boobs and it clicks WOW they are nice, thanks for reminded me of them while I was thinking of other things.. GOTTA love those ladies, always saves me from thinking to deeply.... I THINK ! | |
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Posted: 3/9/2008 5:37:22 PM |
So, it that makes me a monkey, pass a banana, and you take a chill pill! Here you go!
And for the record, sneaking a peek or a glance isn't a problem, staring/gawking/leering is something different. | |
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Posted: 3/11/2008 6:18:36 AM | | thank god that's over with. what was a fun and light hearted forum became almost a burden to read. wow, news flash! men like to look at breasts! hope i didn't shock anybody there. we also like beer and pizza. it's all good as long as you don't go overboard. | |
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Posted: 3/11/2008 6:40:05 AM | If you have nice boobs and I like them, I'm gonna look at them...
Sorry.
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Posted: 3/11/2008 6:48:44 AM | Boobs are awesome. I call them 'the orbs of obedience'. They have, in the past, made me buy things I didn't need, and have conversations with women who couldn't actually converse.
I am fully aware that a woman is not an object, and that her breasts do not represent the sum total of her quality as a person. In fact breasts don't figure into that equation at all.
But, boobs are awesome. | |
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Posted: 3/11/2008 9:11:53 AM |
So, according to you, men look at women's breasts under all situations and circumstances because they are completely controlled by primitive urges and cannot govern themselves to behave any differently than a caveman would? So....have we met?
<======== put the "evil" in "primeval."
Food for thought [pun intended]: If Gawd-duh didn't want men to look at women, why did Gawd-duh invent boobs? | |
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Posted: 3/11/2008 9:16:14 AM |
Food for thought [pun intended]: If Gawd-duh didn't want men to look at women, why did Gawd-duh invent boobs?
Amen Brother Schadenfreudian (geez that's hard to type), Amen! | |
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Posted: 3/11/2008 10:12:27 AM | | Breasts are nice, and a lot of fashions accentuate them. So yes, our eyes get drawn to them. If men wore nothing but spandex, I am sure women would be looking at their units or whatever other part of of the body they find pleasing. There's no real mystery to it. | |
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Posted: 3/11/2008 10:38:55 AM | trump MD said 'Convert to Islam, and wear a burkha if it offends you'
^^^ theres just a million things wrong with this, I dont even know where to start, but the most important point being,.. it doesnt even work, trump MD...
I wear what is commonly termed Islamic clothing often,.. and my chest still gets stared at and commented on.
Manners 101... Its RUDE to stare. Miss Eyre. | |
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Posted: 3/11/2008 10:45:22 AM | | I've recently enrolled myself and a lot of other guy friends...it's interesting to see how each one of us eventually loosens up and becomes unafraid of what others think. I swear, there's an audible "pop" when the balls drop out of the overhead compartments they've been stored for several decades. | |
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Posted: 3/11/2008 11:10:20 AM | About the Burka comment. Having recently visited a muslim country I'm of the opinion (and it might be wrong, but it's still my opinion) that because the women cover themselves up to such an extent, the men have developed no self control. I don't wear revealing clothing (in Western eyes) yet walking down the street in Cairo every single guy that walked passed me stared, blatently, at my chest - some even groped at me. I was horrified.
Aside from that, not having a cleavage to speak of, when I see a guy checking me out it does make me feel self conscious. I feel like he's thinking to himself, oh well, better luck next time. And before you lot jump on top of me and berate me for having no self confidence - just imagine what it would be like if a certain one of your apendages was dangling from your chest for all to assess it's size and shape instead of hiding in volumous trousers where it's anyones' guess.
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Posted: 3/11/2008 11:33:42 AM | Sorry to hear that happened to you Aitche,.. its a very common occurrance in Islamic countries where there is a tourist industry. Its disgusting. I think the lack of self control of men came before the 'cover up'. 1400 years ago the Prophet Mohammed told women to cover up, because they 'inflamed' men.. in typical male fashion, he blamed women for men's lack of self control.
I suspect that some US men on this thread deplore some of the abuses that go on in certain religions.. but what they dont see, is that their attitude towards a subject like this, is the same sort of bigotry towards women, that they are so vocal about denouncing in other cultures. Right now, some men on this thread are defiant about looking at womens chests, because they feel its their right, and they are going to defy the current PC stance,.. ok, but take a walk down a street in Cairo, with your wife or girlfriend, and see if you still think defiance is a good idea. I garuntee you'll see it differently then.. I'm sorry if some of you feel this is 'too serious'.. but what some of you guys fail to understand, is that having your chest stared at can feel extremely intimidating and insulting.. and it makes a woman self conscious... if you're ok with making a female uncomfortable, go ahead. Its your choice to be the man you want to be. Miss Eyre. | |
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Posted: 3/11/2008 11:34:13 AM | Hey Aitche... Just check out your boobs... THEY ARE PERFECT !!!! Sorry for staring .... All this talk about boobs makes me wanna look at them..
Seriously It's not polite to stare, there is more to a person Man or Woman then their body.. BUT as a man ladies are beautiful and the temptation is sometimes hard to resist.. I don't just stand there and stare endlessly undressing a lady with my eyes but I must admit it's impossible not to have a roving eye ESPECIALLY when a woman has very sexy clothing on...
BY the way why do women wear such reveiling outfits with lots of cleavage, bare midriff, or mini skirt.. ???? Is it for men to notice that they are WOW or is it all the fabric they could afford to buy and are covering as much as they can with it...
Let's face it.. women want men to look but look we must on their terms not ours.. SO THEREFORE when you see a great looking gal, gentlemen should walk over and ask IF they can look and where... THAT IS PROPER ETIQUETTE ........ | |
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Posted: 3/11/2008 11:40:31 AM | lol, but you wear a burka around here and people stare trying to visualize what you're hiding. you can't win. i have to agree with an earlier poster. i was brought to my friends birthday party at a gay bar. at first i thought getting checked out was funny and it was fun actually having someone buy ME drinks for once... but after the twentieth guy hit on me i wanted to slug someone! it gets OLD and no, i didn't say no to the first 20 guys becuase i was waiting on YOU to hit on me!  (if i had a dollar for every time i had a girl say that to me...)
on other hand, i found a place to get free drinks and ... i don't know if you know this or not guys, but most women feel VERY uninhibited in a gay bar. i've seen women take tops off and occasionally stripping almost all the way down thinking that it didn't matter, everyone was gay anyway... they are also MUCH more approachable for the same reason. and more than half the time at the end of the night you get the question "so... are you 100% gay...?" to which i reply,"no, no i'm not..." i don't mention that i'm not gay at all.  | |
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Posted: 3/11/2008 12:47:17 PM | "but what some of you guys fail to understand, is that having your chest stared at can feel extremely intimidating and insulting."
And so is constantly being judged by women for your hairloss, or your height or whatever other shortcomings they think you have. Commenting on any aspect of a person's personality to make them uncomfortable sucks. But don't act like women are the only ones who have to deal with it. We all do. It's a 'people/personality' issue, not a male/female issue. Not all men are jerks, and not all women are jerks. Some are. | |
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| Lack-of-Sensitivity Training
Posted: 3/11/2008 2:30:48 PM | | yes lil bit,,,BUT, if a woman doesnt WANT to have her boobs stared qat, she wont make them overly visible | |
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