| Lack-of-Sensitivity Training
Posted: 3/12/2008 8:47:56 PM | who cares who's point is wrong or right come on were not talking about world peace or who your voting for were talking about breasts. Men look at women, women look at men to say one is right and the other is wrong is a never ending argument. No one is right no one is wrong who cares. Some of these threads are just for chuckles ya know. Can't someone be joking like Ironman UK without being attacked for being "wrong." Two people from two very different parts of the world have different opinions. Oh wow why do you think the divorce rate is so high. Hum I really don't know. Why can't people stay together as partners too long. Because on something as looking at a woman. Like I've said before my opinion is that we all look. Its NOT  Ok to stare and not ok to make lewd comments. But we are all going to look. My main thing is that can't we all just get along and treat a thread the way its suppose to be treated with respect. Ok now someone will turn that comment around to say its disrespectful to stare well I agree but a quick glance from any gender is going to happen we are only human by the way.  | |
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| Lack-of-Sensitivity Training
Posted: 3/12/2008 11:20:19 PM | Yes we look.
Yes we like them.
Yes we are men. (well some of us are)
You say society is male dominated. You are wrong. But if that were the case this statement would be false.
More women are accepted and attend college. More degrees are awarded to women than men. Women outlive men. More men commit suicide. Men are twice as likely to be victims of violence, including murder. If you consider sexual assaults in prisons, twice as many men are raped as women (society thinks prison rape is funny). The streets are littered with homeless men, sprinkled with a few homeless women. Statically, women are happier than men. The myth that girls are being cheated by are educational system is belied by the fact that schools are bastions of femininity, mostly run by and taught by women. Girls outperform boys in school. It is the boys in school getting ****ed over, and prescribed ritalin for being boys. Real wages for men are falling, while real wages for women are rising. Just because someone says something enough times, doesn't make it true. Men have nothing to feel guilty about.
But this statement is not false. And if you say it is, You are wrong.
Enjoy the fact that we are attracted to you, and not repulsed, Unless you are gay.
If I had women staring at my package all day I'd be thrilled knowing I could sack any of them anytime I want. And be as picky and choosy as you. So please please, let it go.
If thats all they can do, then don't be bothered by them. It's going to happen generally upon first meeting you.
Men are visual creatures. We can't help it, it's hard wired, and I'll be damned if I'm going to let women, wussified "men",the media or the way this society thinks in general change that.
Thats my two cents...
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| Lack-of-Sensitivity Training
Posted: 3/12/2008 11:24:14 PM | And.. By the by.
WE DON'T NEED SENSITIVITY TRAINING.
Perhaps some tact.
But men aren't meant to be soft mushy sensitive pushover wussies, and no matter what you say, you don't want that.
And just because thats what society projects, does not make it the truth.
Remember folks, If you repeat it enough people will think it's true.
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| Lack-of-Sensitivity Training
Posted: 3/13/2008 1:21:12 AM | At first i was confused why such a topic would get to 19-20 pages
I can say fair enough to those who if they didn't flirt or look for a partner at work they'd never find anyone because they don't go out. But that doesn't give them the right to see everyone as a target.
Miss Eyre summed it up brilliant about having compassion to change a behaviour that someone might find either offensive or even scary. This approach does not make someone a victim it does show just how little people care about how others feel about their own behaviour.
I used to work with teenagers and one of the things that was clear they didn't understand was the impact they had on the world around them. They always seen the world as a hostile place that they needed to assert themselves if they were going to swim. And it is clear why they thought and why grown adults think this way.
People shouldn't have to buck up or grow callouses or dress like nuns be invisible etc. but some people are forced to live this way because people simply don't have enough compassion to adjust their behaviour for another human being. | |
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| Why do men stare at womens boobs & think we don't notice ???
Posted: 3/13/2008 6:33:45 AM | silentman73....
I want to thank you for breaking your silence to lend a voice to reason from the male perspective.
We do appreciate you "multitaskers" out there. Perhaps you will be able to quietly inform some of those who more single-minded.
I will encourage cooperative effort from this end.
Again, Thanks!
JadeMuse  <----"for getting it" --unless it makes you uncomfortable to be touched.
"It is not our differences that divide us...
It is our inability to recognize,
accept, and celebrate those differences."
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| Why Do Men Stare at Women's Cerebral Cortices & Think Women don't notice ???
Posted: 3/13/2008 7:22:44 AM |
"It is not our differences that divide us...
It is our inability to recognize,
accept, and celebrate those differences."
This got me to thinkin'...which is nearly always a dangerous thang: If cultures celebrate each other, wouldn't that practice eventually render all of humanity to adopt each other's traditions, values, mores, beliefs, and so forth? When that time comes, there will no longer be differences. | |
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| Why Do Men Stare at Women's Cerebral Cortexes & Think Women don't notice ???
Posted: 3/13/2008 7:43:49 AM | | ^^^^^ I was pointing out that purely following her advice would eventually render a world that is homogeneous. Won't ever happen because people form groups, groups assign leaders, and leaders, through the corrupting force of power, develop into sociopaths. By the way, what do you think of the celebratory comments of Geraldine Ferraro? | |
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| Lack-of-Sensitivity Training
Posted: 3/13/2008 8:20:26 AM |
so, instead of just addmitting that although men are compelled to have a quick look, they really shouldnt stare,
MEN ARE NOT STARING.
They are dreaming, wondering how they manipulate you,
to get undressed and allow them access to your body.
Is that a sexual thing ?
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| Why Do Men Believe They Know a Woman's Mind, and Think We Won't Notice???
Posted: 3/13/2008 9:44:56 AM | ^^^^Freud...
(Sorry thread Nazis...this is WAAAY off-topic:)
If one follows Audre Lorde's advice, I should hope for something different than a tyrannical response. Unfortunately, there are those who only see what is economical for
themselves instead of contributing to the greater good with their talents and knowledge.
I believe Oppenheimer was as disappointed in how his gift was used.
As far as Geraldine Ferraro is concerned, I believe she was truthful about that initial impulse of what people really wanted to try to accomplish, back in the 80's and now.
I was too young to vote at the time, but I wanted to see a woman in The White House simply to get that historic moment over with just to prove we could do it.
I remember here in California, voting when I was finally old enough in the 1992 election. It was touted "The Year of the Woman" with more winning seats in both houses than before.
It was my first vote, and for me, it was more about an effort to give women the opportunity to have the power to express their opinions believing they would naturally match my own better because I, too, was a woman.
It was less about being informed of their platforms and more about putting a check next to that female-sounding name.
Like trusts like more easily than odd.
I wasn't the only one --I am just more aware of my own motivations than some.
It reminds me of Affirmative Action...
That was a necessary, albeit illegal, step in the promotion of those who wouldn't have necessarily been considered for certain positions.
Those groups not well represented needed to become more visible in those positions and prove themselves worthy of the opportunities to give credence to their particular group(s).
The inevitable need to fill those positions with the best all around candidates became more obvious, but that necessary visibility opened doors where they would have quietly(?) been closed to them before.
Familiarity with odd breeds necessary comfort.
Geraldine Ferraro understood the ugly truth in each instance.
If we look at our true motivations for why each of us choose most anything, we all would find that none of us are very informed or purely politically correct in our everyday decisions, though few of us would be willing to risk being ostracized for our honest, lazy, non-PC inner-commentary and actually speak that ugly truth.
Just think about what you actually purchase the next time you are in a place such as the grocery store if you doubt my veracity... are all of your purchases really informed and PC? | |
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| Why Do Men Stare at a Woman's Medulla Oblongata, and Think We Won't Notice???
Posted: 3/13/2008 10:52:44 AM |
If one follows Audre Lorde's advice, I should hope for something different than a tyrannical response. Unfortunately, there are those who only see what is economical for themselves instead of contributing to the greater good with their talents and knowledge. I believe Oppenheimer was as disappointed in how his gift was used. More than follow Audre's advice I was applying logic to her quote..."tyrannical" is an inappropriate descriptor for the end-result of cultural embracing/celebrating/norming/valuing and a whole bunch of other sociological concepts.
Yeah, and I think Ferraro is no more capable of putting her ego in the back seat for the good of her party than Rush Limbaugh can stop caterwauling for the good of his. | |
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| Why Do Men Believe They Know a Woman's Mind, and Think We Won't Notice???
Posted: 3/13/2008 10:57:18 AM |
Tyrannical? Tyrannical??? I was aiming for "logical, reasoned, insightful and far-seeing."
I'm going to google it right now, but I'm pretty sure I've heard something somewhere about the tyranny of logic. Fighting the tyranny of logic seems the very pinnacle of tilting at windmills, but some folks insist on doing it nonetheless. | |
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| Why Do Men Stare at a Woman's Medulla Oblongata, and Think We Won't Notice???
Posted: 3/13/2008 12:42:52 PM | ^^^^^Freud
...leaders, through the corrupting force of power, develop into sociopaths...
....And, somehow, that doesn't describe tyranny?
Yeah, and I think Ferraro is no more capable of putting her ego in the back seat for the good of her party than Rush Limbaugh can stop caterwauling for the good of his.
Yes, honesty is the enemy of politics.
Now, I think I would actually have to watch that would-be Jerry Springer, have-to-stare-at-a-car-accident, kind of pairing for a debate, don't you?
I'll have to get some other "Feminazis" together and take over half of some right-wing establishment just to have some some "piggos" to throw popcorn at during the debate!
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| Why do men stare at womens boobs & think we don't notice ???
Posted: 3/13/2008 7:51:56 PM | | Hey how do you guys do that neat little trick with the highlight on a past statement.. Man you people are smart.. Some not smart enough to have manners but still very smart.. and all the ladies that don't mind men looking at your lust melons, please line up and thank you for making my day... OOOO JOKING... easy all | |
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| Why do men stare at womens boobs & think we don't notice ???
Posted: 3/14/2008 8:43:32 PM | | I think unfortunately the evidence from evolutionary psychology is that men instinctively look at a woman's body. Unwanted attention which is excessive and lewd I think can be construed as sexual harassment, but a lot of women these days wear clothing which shows off their cleavage strongly. I think the best solution in a work environment is for women to wear conservative clothing which hides the parts of their bodies associated with sexuality. After all, men do this as well so it should not be a problem. | |
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