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 Drusurfer06
Joined: 8/11/2009
Msg: 200
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Yeah but people say rejection is a learning experience, that is why I assume and I am over-analytical, like I want to know what I did wrong and what should I change.
 Uncle Fist
Joined: 12/18/2006
Msg: 201
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Posted: 9/22/2009 7:19:19 PM

My problem is that I am unable to tell what I did wrong after I got rejected, I don't know if it was something I said or the way I was standing, or if I was just not her type.


Dru, I mean you no disrespect and I say this as a friend. Even without being there, I can tell you that whatever it is that is getting in the way of your success is something stemming from the defeatist attitude I read in your posts on here everyday. It is virtually impossible to succeed at anything in life when you expect to fail.

I'm not the best advice giver by any means, but I honestly think if you would open your mind up a little more and listen to a bit more of the advice that others try to offer you, you could learn some things that would really help you improve the quality of your life.

I sincerely hope to see you do this at some point. I would like to see you succeed.
 diamondgirl2727
Joined: 2/25/2008
Msg: 202
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Posted: 9/22/2009 9:06:35 PM
I think it all boils down to how interested she is in you. Most women cant be polite to men in bars because once you show any kind of civility men almost always jump to the conclusion that the woman wants to talk, dance, sleep with them etc. Once we show human kindness we are stuck with this guy following us around all night and maybe getting rude and nasty too. I hate to do it but it is better then having my night ruined. My advice to you is to make conversation for a minute but no asking for dances etc. Say nice to meet you and walk away. If she is interested she will let you know. Better yet, go places where you know people and have them introduce you to others, then you can be introduced as a friend and maybe go from there if you are feeling any interest.
 PirateJohn09
Joined: 1/7/2009
Msg: 203
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Posted: 9/22/2009 9:59:01 PM

like I want to know what I did wrong and what should I change.

Again, the problem is that you assume that you did anything wrong at all. If a woman rejects you when you approach her, chances are it's more about her than about you. Seriously, I've been rejected by a woman because my favorite song was not "Dust in the Wind." I kid you not.

All you can do is know to your core that you're a hell of a catch, and you're going to start behaving like one. If you don't know how to, then "fake it till you make it," as they say.

You can even make a game of it -- go to a bar with a friend and bet him twenty dollars you can get shot down five times before he can. Sound easy? It isn't. You'd be amazed at how hard it is to get rejected when you're actually trying to. The reason is because you completely lose that air of desperation that women pick up on. They no longer see you as some dweeb trying to win their attention, and it makes you more attractive to them.
 PeterStevenson086
Joined: 7/9/2009
Msg: 204
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Posted: 9/22/2009 10:20:45 PM
First thing: people go to the bar to have fun and drink (most of the times). For men and women, fun can still be had in the thrill of hunting and being hunted.

At the risk of sounding like I am god's gift to women, here's some pieces of wisdom I've picked up.

1) Don't go to the bar to pick up a girl. Go to have fun with friends.

Girls can smell if you're creeping around looking for a girl. They are like tracking dogs, and they can smell whatever we have in mind sometimes. They smell fear too by the way. But seriously, if your plan is 'to score some chicks' you play a losing game.

2) Don't start the conversation with an opening line, or a pickup line. Don't even offer to buy them a drink. That is an opening line.

Why? A line like that is instantly recognized as 'all he wants is to take off my panties'. Unless that is what you're looking for. If that's what you want, fire all the one liners you have. You will get exactly the girl you want. And no, she is not long term relationship material.

Instead, make an actual conversation. Does she have shoes/boots that deserve a compliment, is there something going on at the bar you can talk about, has the weather been exeptionally good or bad? I mean, I could give dozens of examples (and a lot fo them would be shot down by the forum trolls for sure) but the main thing is to have a smooth conversation. Last night I ordered a drink, and they played an old Haddaway song. I said to the girl next to me: Crap, this makes me feel old. We ended up singing the entire song together, then proceeded to have drinks and good convo all night long. Thanks to Haddaway.

3) This is not a tv show.

It's prescripted that the guy says something cheesy, she laughs and then it all works out. This is real life though. You also do not single handedly stop a terrorist invasion without reloading your gun. They do that stuff in movies as well.

4) Learn from your mistakes.

A girl shuts you down? Whatever. You went to the bar single, and if you go home single you have not made a loss at all. You broke even. Why did she shut you down? Try and figure it out, and adjust next time. Can't figure it out? Whatever. Don't sweat that either, it leads to overthinking.


Lastly I need to say: I am very sorry girls, if I come off like a horrible player that seems to know what women want. And guys, if you want a long term relationship: the bar or club is usually not the place. There's always the exception to the rule, but most of the women there are either already dating or living the free life (like you are).
 MiketheZombie
Joined: 5/3/2009
Msg: 205
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Posted: 9/23/2009 5:42:31 AM
the logic of both sides is pretty broken.


The best solution? Make them want to buy YOU a drink.
 Drusurfer06
Joined: 8/11/2009
Msg: 206
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Posted: 9/23/2009 1:18:12 PM
If women have it easier than men, why do women **** and cry, whine all the time?
 throwit2me
Joined: 6/23/2009
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Posted: 9/23/2009 1:46:20 PM
^^^^^
WOMEN:
If they don't approach, they may never get approached.
If they don't approach, they may get approached by men in whom they have no interest.
If they do approach, they may get rejected.

MEN:
If they don't approach, they may never get approached. Contrary to popular wisdom, some men do get approached by women.
If they don't approach, they may get approached by women in whom they have no interest. It happens.
If they do approach, they may get rejected.

The only difference I see between the sexes is the frequency and rate of rejection. So, some men are never approached and some women are never approached. I imagine that the number of women who have never been approached is much smaller than the number of men who have never been approached. Anecdotally, I guess that the number of times a woman is glad that a particular man approached her is relatively small whereas for men it's probably more like 20% of the time. Lastly, I believe women are going to get rejected less often than men get rejected, but that's only a gut feeling.

The bottom line is that people whine and complain because they don't like the results they are getting and don't want to take responsibility for getting better results.
 Drusurfer06
Joined: 8/11/2009
Msg: 208
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Posted: 9/23/2009 2:18:18 PM
My gut feeling tells me that too, that if more and more women took the initiative and started approaching men, they would not get rejected as much as men do.
 Wiyan
Joined: 12/8/2008
Msg: 209
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Posted: 9/24/2009 12:06:01 AM
I will only speak for myself, not all women. I don't drink, so I usually only go to a bar to dance. If a guy makes eye contact, is on the floor a few feet in front of me and gradually and slowly makes his way towards me while continuing to dance, I get to check out his moves, and once dancer to another, he earns my dance floor respect-might even want to dance with a guy having that approach!. Guys who come pushing up into me breathing fire right in my face too close turn me off and make me want my space tho. If I'm sitting at a bar eating and a guy makes conversation, as long as it is respectful, I don't usually have a reason not to respond, though this expereince of me 'sitting in a bar' I confess is pretty limited. Good Luck bigbear!
 Drusurfer06
Joined: 8/11/2009
Msg: 210
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Posted: 9/24/2009 10:44:52 AM
In my opinion, Women reject Men for an infinite, many number of reasons, while Men reject Women for only one reason, or very few reasons.
 WomanInProgress
Joined: 10/16/2005
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Posted: 9/24/2009 10:59:58 AM

First thing: people go to the bar to have fun and drink (most of the times). For men and women, fun can still be had in the thrill of hunting and being hunted.

At the risk of sounding like I am god's gift to women, here's some pieces of wisdom I've picked up.

1) Don't go to the bar to pick up a girl. Go to have fun with friends.

Girls can smell if you're creeping around looking for a girl. They are like tracking dogs, and they can smell whatever we have in mind sometimes. They smell fear too by the way. But seriously, if your plan is 'to score some chicks' you play a losing game.

2) Don't start the conversation with an opening line, or a pickup line. Don't even offer to buy them a drink. That is an opening line.

Why? A line like that is instantly recognized as 'all he wants is to take off my panties'. Unless that is what you're looking for. If that's what you want, fire all the one liners you have. You will get exactly the girl you want. And no, she is not long term relationship material.

Instead, make an actual conversation. Does she have shoes/boots that deserve a compliment, is there something going on at the bar you can talk about, has the weather been exeptionally good or bad? I mean, I could give dozens of examples (and a lot fo them would be shot down by the forum trolls for sure) but the main thing is to have a smooth conversation.

Guys, tape this to your refrigerators, PLEASE.

Don't ever leave the house again with a goal of picking up/meeting/looking for women. Women should be a bonus in a day as you're doing other stuff, not a reason for being out. If you set yourself up daily to meet women, you will disappoint yourself when it doesn't happen.

Instead, who cares if it happens? Go to the club to enjoy THE CLUB. Go to the gym to use THE GYM. Go to the beach, park, music festival, concert, whatever to enjoy that particular thing. Women should be incidental to your schedule.
 Uncle Fist
Joined: 12/18/2006
Msg: 212
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Posted: 9/24/2009 11:33:12 AM
^I have to agree with that. I've found that on nights when I'm out just being social and enjoying myself, women will actually come up to me. I don't even have to make any real effort. But when I used to go out trying to "pick up chicks," I'd rarely ever succeed.



Again, the problem is that you assume that you did anything wrong at all. If a woman rejects you when you approach her, chances are it's more about her than about you.


Yes and no. When you're rejected by one woman, it's certainly a possibility that it was just her. But when you are rejected repeatedly by many different women, you're kidding yourself if you think it's not something you're doing.
 HardwoodFloorBoard
Joined: 3/27/2008
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Posted: 9/24/2009 12:26:39 PM
WIP,

It sounds good in theory, but what if I just don't cross paths with any women while I'm doing what I enjoy doing? Should I be resigned to going on this way for years and years? If you never met any available men in the course of your routine, how long would you go before trying out a different schedule?

I think your advice best applies to guys whose daily existence includes incidental contact with unattached women. The rest will, by necessity, have to be a bit more pro-active.

Don't leave the house with the goal of meeting women, but definitely get out of the house. Don't go to a drinking establishment with the sole intention of meeting women, but if you are going out for a drink anyway, you might consider which establishments are more conducive to socializing. Don't act desperate, but don't be passive.
 PeterStevenson086
Joined: 7/9/2009
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Posted: 9/24/2009 7:06:12 PM

I think your advice best applies to guys whose daily existence includes incidental contact with unattached women. The rest will, by necessity, have to be a bit more pro-active.


All it takes is a little self confidence.

If I go to the bar, I still need to be proactive. If I don't get up to talk to that cute girl at the bar, someone else will.

Count the amount of women you see in a day. Now set a goal to talk to one random woman every day. Don't set the goal to get her number or anything, just talk. The more women you talk to, the better you get. And eventually you can walk into a room full of strangers, feel absolutely comfortable and THAT kind of self confidence is something women can smell on you like $500 dollar cologne.
 WomanInProgress
Joined: 10/16/2005
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Posted: 9/24/2009 8:01:40 PM

WIP,

It sounds good in theory, but what if I just don't cross paths with any women while I'm doing what I enjoy doing? Should I be resigned to going on this way for years and years? If you never met any available men in the course of your routine, how long would you go before trying out a different schedule?

If I wasn't out looking for a partner I wouldn't really notice. However how hard is it to make new friends and get out and enjoy yourself where available women are? I'd have to ask how social you are and how empty your town is.

I think your advice best applies to guys whose daily existence includes incidental contact with unattached women. The rest will, by necessity, have to be a bit more pro-active.

By saying don't make meeting women your goal, I don't mean don't go where single people are....just don't go out with the intention of trying to make dating connections.

Don't leave the house with the goal of meeting women, but definitely get out of the house. Don't go to a drinking establishment with the sole intention of meeting women, but if you are going out for a drink anyway, you might consider which establishments are more conducive to socializing. Don't act desperate, but don't be passive.

Naturally. Obviously no one's knocking on your door - but basically when you are out to meet women as a goal, women know this and avoid it. If you're out around women and don't care what comes of it - you're more attractive to the majority. It's just the way it is, and men know this because most of them react the same way to women who go out trolling for men. It's not a real positive vibe to deal with in a crowd.

All it takes is a little self confidence.

If I go to the bar, I still need to be proactive. If I don't get up to talk to that cute girl at the bar, someone else will.

Fine, talk to her but don't make it a project, or a pass fail situation. Just have a conversation and don't dwell on the outcome of it. Learn about a new person and let that be the end of it.
 HardwoodFloorBoard
Joined: 3/27/2008
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Posted: 9/25/2009 8:39:13 AM
WIP;

"If I wasn't out looking for a partner I wouldn't really notice. However how hard is it to make new friends and get out and enjoy yourself where available women are? I'd have to ask how social you are and how empty your town is."

And there is the real nub of the matter. I think if you lived in a situation where mostly everyone else was paired off, except you and a few other unattached women, and you literally did not run across available men, I think you WOULD eventually notice that fact after a couple of years, even if you weren't looking for a partner.

I think the differences in the social dynamics between large populous communities and really small un-populous ones can really only be appreciated if you've experienced both.
I've lived in some of "emptiest" parts of the Midwest, places where the only places open after 6:30 pm are the gas station/convenience store and the local saloon. Once a guy gets used to the idea that a 40 mile drive is necessary to even SEE an unattached woman, it's hard not to have the "intention" of going places and doing things for the "purpose" of meeting women. Especially when he is being told by his paired-off neighbors that he is single because he's "not trying hard enough" to meet women.

Remember the old saying about sex(in the broad general sense) and money: If you've got enough, you don't think much about it; if you don't have enough, it's hard to think about anything else.
 WomanInProgress
Joined: 10/16/2005
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Posted: 9/25/2009 9:48:42 AM

WIP;
And there is the real nub of the matter. I think if you lived in a situation where mostly everyone else was paired off, except you and a few other unattached women, and you literally did not run across available men, I think you WOULD eventually notice that fact after a couple of years, even if you weren't looking for a partner.

You're right - if I lived in a place where there were no peers, and it wasn't easy to meet new people not for dating but just that saw things from my point of view, I'd move.

Only because I like a variety of different types of friends and I'd hate to be restricted despite being out and about...but I am just social by nature. I STILL wouldn't move or seek people for the sole purpose of dating tho. It's more a mindset thing than an area thing.

I think the differences in the social dynamics between large populous communities and really small un-populous ones can really only be appreciated if you've experienced both.

This state is pretty small, and I don't get the same feel as someone in a town of 500, but sometimes I get sick of looking at the same people in the places I do go, so in that sense I get what you're saying. If I could never see the same person twice unless I plan it every time I go out, I'd be in heaven. I do plan to move to a bigger area someday just for the sake of new social ground.

I've lived in some of "emptiest" parts of the Midwest, places where the only places open after 6:30 pm are the gas station/convenience store and the local saloon. Once a guy gets used to the idea that a 40 mile drive is necessary to even SEE an unattached woman, it's hard not to have the "intention" of going places and doing things for the "purpose" of meeting women. Especially when he is being told by his paired-off neighbors that he is single because he's "not trying hard enough" to meet women.

I think that for some reason people think they have to say things like that. Being single isn't a big deal for some anyway - if those looking can't stand it maybe they should look at why it bothers them so much. That's not about you really.

I agree that you should seek social situations more in general to find people in your age group and status; my point is more that you shouldn't base that search on ONLY finding dates. Making friends and widening your network is something you can accomplish and it's healthy. Usually dating isn't a controlled thing and happens naturally from meeting a lot of different people in general.

Remember the old saying about sex(in the broad general sense) and money: If you've got enough, you don't think much about it; if you don't have enough, it's hard to think about anything else.

Money is a bit more important when you have rent due than sex is, and sex is only a big deal if you pair it only with relationships, or feel it can only come from someone you haven't yet met. There's ways around it. If you only want it in a relationship, then you have to be able to deal with the times you're in between and not involved in one.
 Compunctiongal
Joined: 7/10/2009
Msg: 218
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Posted: 9/26/2009 3:30:50 PM
I have had two good friends that found decent men in bars. They are both happily married. It can happen. My friends and I dont go to bars much, but when we do, we get an occasional drink bought for one or all of us. What is really interesting these guys liked to dance. My one friend, her guy told me he saw her - their eyes met... she was getting drunk with the girls left her alone, but he kept going back to that bar until he was able to meet her. He asked her to dance, then bought her a beer. The second met a man while buying beer at the bar. Her daughter talked to him at the register and she told him he needed to meet her mother! When she approached to buy her beer, he asked the "mother" to dance. They were a hit! It can happen. I've asked guys in the past to dance and have been turned down often....when I go, I really go to dance and relax with friends... well and people watch, if I manage to meet someone that I care to take it into my world so be it. If you dont try you'll never meet that person.
 Drusurfer06
Joined: 8/11/2009
Msg: 219
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Posted: 9/26/2009 10:55:11 PM
I hate Women, can't live with them, can't live without them.
 jacob8088
Joined: 9/6/2009
Msg: 220
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Posted: 9/27/2009 12:51:48 AM
I don't waste my time approaching them in bars. As for why they go there, a few reasons come to mind. Some go to get a drink and get hammered, and some probably go to get a drink, get hammered, and get a quick f*ck.
 Speculative_fiction
Joined: 3/31/2009
Msg: 221
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Posted: 9/28/2009 7:32:55 PM
Jesus ... this was a long read.
Here's my take: Don't go out with the mindset of picking up, when it happens, it happens. Not all guys are super bar stars that can pick up every weekend, anyways you dont want to be one of them. You'll soon get a reputation and that might blow a future deal on someone who is really worth it (too many visits to the clinic anyways lol).

Before you go out , make sure you take a nice shower, brush youre teeth, nice comfortable clothes, I know this stuff is obvious, but some people dont get it. I like to get prepared with a nice drink, put on relaxing tunes and taking my time getting ready , relaxe .... do whatever you have to do so when you walk out the door you feel 100% confident.

When you get to the bar dont look at ANY woman as you walk in , pick a nice spot at the bar, or a table where there is a little traffic. Don't go walking around the place all night looking. Make sure you smile a little and have a good time.No girl is going to go talk to you if you sit alone all depressed in a corner. If you see a cute girl walking by and she looks at you, smile and say hello or lift up your glass and cheer her drink. If she's interested she'll stop to talk, if she doesnt , well you just said hello ! big deal ...

I was shy too when i went out before... but then i started saying hello to every girl that passed by me, big, small, hot, ugly(saying hello as soon as you make eye contact as a reaction).... nothing bad ever happened by saying hello or hi!(except now i have no problem talking to random strangers, but thats not bad)
And now i have no problem going to talk to a girl i see and striking up a converstaion, because in my mind, im not picking her up, im just chatting and meeting new people.

The only pick up line you'll ever need is: "hi!"
 jacob8088
Joined: 9/6/2009
Msg: 222
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Posted: 9/29/2009 8:17:01 PM
^^^I like this kind of mentality appproach...touche my friend, touche..
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