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| What happened to Morals, and true unconditonal love?
Posted: 6/15/2007 8:35:09 AM | I don't believe in unconditional love as a person's love can only go so far. I'd like to think of myself as 'loyal through adversity', but if a woman treats me like crap, why should I be loyal to that? It's one thing if there's a disagreement over bills, or maybe I was asking for it that day, but it's another thing when it's completely unwarranted.
As for morality, there are plenty of pious hypocrites out there and that goes far beyond the subject of dating. Look at the politicians.  | |
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| What happened to Morals, and true unconditonal love?
Posted: 12/2/2007 9:40:47 PM | WILDMAN,
You seem to be from Michagan. I am not a big fan of John Conyers and his birth day falls on mine. Those liberals up there BTW i am a independant not one of those neo-cons and I did not vote for bush think the woman should get custody no matter how messed up they are. Reminds me of this case in oregon that was on fox channels today show where the beaucrats at the child welfare office are trying to ship an adopted son to mexico. I would probally move down to the South proablly look to change venues meaning move the case from Michagan. I do not know family law code that well in michagan but I would suggest putting a restraining order on your ex-wife. Another option you can videotape her having that attitude if she is on her property, have a PI do surveilance and with that evidence to present to the judge you probally can achieve permanment custody. It will be a bitter fight and will be worth it.
There is a lot of options at your disposal.
1. Venue Change
2. Survellance
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| What happened to Morals, and true unconditonal love?
Posted: 12/3/2007 5:46:01 AM | I agree with every thing you said.beautie37xo. I lik ethe way you think. it's so sad that people now days feel that stroking an ego is sex. jumping from bed to bed from partner to partner. it's so twisted. I was with a man for years who cheated and really felt he was not wrong for doing so. everything always ended up to be my fault. he slept with this girl becuase I said some thing he didn't like or did some thing . BS! and still to this day he lives the same way the only differance is he does it with out me. In my eyes theres no respect for others or ones self these days, It seems to be the easy way out for most. RUN! I know there is some one out there for me. there is for everyone. I think drugs, money and lude sex have taken over the minds of good people. and they don't have a clue has how to return. to some life is a party. it's sad but hey they go on and on. I'm one that can't confuse love with sex. I'd rather work on it then go around the corner. but hay who am I but a woman scorned.  | |
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| What happened to Morals, and true unconditonal love?
Posted: 12/3/2007 7:10:20 AM | | No no no no hold on morals are not subjective are you kidding me? If morals are subjective, I can just decide that its morral to kill and slaughter innocent people. I can decide its moral to burn peoples houses down. Morals are not subjective like what the heck? | |
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| What happened to Morals, and true unconditonal love?
Posted: 12/3/2007 8:04:33 AM | | Well there is still faithful people and still some who believe in unconditional love but very few in my experience. In this world people just don't want to change for someone else since so many won't. So now you have to accept someone for what you see or move on to someone who will share your values. | |
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| What happened to Morals, and true unconditonal love?
Posted: 7/4/2008 10:44:40 AM | Real love lasts for a long time. But it takes work my parents have been married for 40 yrs and they have had thier ups and downs. But they worked on thier problems. Thats what I think todays society is lacking. Its a lack of sticktuativeness. Lol for lack of a better term. It means sticking to something and working it out. We have this with alot of things. If a cars repairs are going to be really expensive we sell it and get another. If we can't afford our house payments we just let if be forclosed and move into an apartment. We are all gung-ho to support our troops in the first couple of yrs of a war but lose support when it doesn't happen on our time table. These are just a couple of examples of the ways we like to cut and run out of alot of situations and thats what makes love so hard to keep. The second we see trouble we are ready to cut and run. We all can think of examples of how we did this.
2nd, morals are not subjective our own personal laws we use to govern our actions and reactions are. Case in point of things we all believe are wrong.
Murder is wrong.
Rape is wrong.
Stealing is wrong.
These are things that we as humans just instinctually find wrong. Thats what morals are. Now it may get a bit fuzzy when we look at specifics. Like war some may feel to stop a greater evil (Hitler, Hussain) It may need to happen. We arn't happy about it but view it as a necassary evil. On the otherhand, some view any murder as wrong. Both are correct. Thats opinion. Some also view that if someone maliciously takes a human life or lives he should be exicuted himself. Others feel thats wrong.
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| What happened to Morals, and true unconditonal love?
Posted: 7/4/2008 11:30:51 AM | quote;~~~~~Where did the unconditonal love go, did we kill it along with christ? Are there no more real people around? ~sighs~ Anyone have any thoughts on the subject?~~~~~
awww, no i dont think we killed it along with christ, but i suppose it did die out completeley around 1950.
after world war 2, when pplz whated to become rich and comfertable.
i suppose pplz have married for money and power since the beginning of human kind, but since the 50's i suppose it went downhill fast.
hahahaha, speed-dating...lol
your supposed to pick a date by asking them 3 questions?
what?
1) what car do you drive?
2) how much do you earn?
3) lmao, are you single....
i think if 2 pplz are really made for each other, meaning you understand each other without words, then you are willing to overlook little faults,
but in a relationship of "convenience", for what reason ever they snowball.
as for looks...oh well...what can i say...
alot more people should try and see through the "shell".
things are not allways what they seem.
and a person you have written off far to quickley, might be a "diamond in the rough!"
its a vicious circle, that goes through the generations...
everyone can teach their children, that as long as you have the basics, you can lead a happy life,
being ritch, having the truley important things.
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| What happened to Morals, and true unconditonal love?
Posted: 7/4/2008 1:31:14 PM | | Unfortunently, there are men and women who think they are better than anyone else out there so they think because they are so hot, if they dont get what they want from one person, they think they can get it from someone else..The gods gift to men/women syndrome...They have no morals..no remorse..they only think of themselves...And thats why marrige isnt taken so seriously anymore..because there are too many men and women who are too selfish...And of course your going to have the people that come out and say well I deserve to be treated like this and that..Well, my question to those people is...What in the world did you do to deserve being treated better than anyone else in this world? | |
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| What happened to Morals, and true unconditonal love?
Posted: 7/4/2008 2:50:00 PM | You deserve to be treated the way you treat others which is why we should always treat other's the way we want to be treated in return. That doesn't always happen though and the real truth of the matter is ...we should always treat each others with respect regardless of how they treat us.
Is that difficult sometimes?? You betcha!! But that would certainly make the world a better place and in many cases may change the way the other person acts towards us because they'll feel bad for treating us so badly. Either that or it will confuse the hell out of them! 
It's kind of like smiling at everyone, even the grumpy old man/woman in the store. Smiles are contagious and when you give them, you almost always receive one back. Even if it's a stranger...it's one of the greatest forms of communication. : )
One of the greatest gifts my mom gave me was her unconditional love. She also taught me to love those who are most important to me in my life the same way. It would be great if I could feel that way towards everyone but I'm only human and admit I have a hard time with it.
I know some people don't think that unconditional love exists because they feel we do put conditions on everything but to me unconditional love means loving someone even if they don't uphold our conditions. Even if they hurt us, disappoint us, make us angry, don't listen to a word we're saying...it's being compassionate and trying our hardest to forgive, move forward and love them regardless of what they've done, or did not do.
I love my children unconditionally. I love my family unconditionally. I love certain friends who will always remain close to me, unconditionally.
ULA,
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| What happened to Morals, and true unconditonal love?
Posted: 7/4/2008 2:59:16 PM | Op you said this was a rant in the first place. I read the second post and it is true there are very few absolutes other then science proofs. You do have a point in that society is becoming more and more callous and self centered as time goes on. Just watch network tv a few times. That will be the legacy of the modern age. From "leave it to beaver" to "south park" in a few decades.
I believe today we have access to information at an instant rate. We are as a world becoming smarter in the fact we have truths and evidence in real time we never had before. With that we also want what we want now. Longsuffering did pass with Mother Theresa I hate to say. Simply watch our advertisements and tv. I write peotry and still prefer the pencil and paper during a creative time . I do add the tomes to a word document, but the original is acually written by my hand taking the time to scratch out the thoughts.
OP we are losing our humanity in the world. It is not extreme or directed at anyone person or group. There are real people. They are just hiding behind the same screens as the players. here you will occasionally see the hurt and misery. It does pass. Don't give up any faith in anything you believe in is my best suggestion. | |
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| What happened to Morals, and true unconditonal love?
Posted: 7/4/2008 3:22:39 PM | People stay or go because of how THEY feel.
The real questions are what did you learn about yourself? ....and what will you do with that learning? Don't be too quick or sarcastic in answering.
Hang in there.....emotional pain opens the door to personal change and growth and true gifts of acceptance, joy, gratitude. It's a hard painful journey but well worth it. | |
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| What happened to Morals, and true unconditonal love?
Posted: 7/4/2008 3:28:59 PM | | I hate how you often feel disposable. You can do something that makes someone unhappy and not know it. They don't bother to tell you, they just kick ya to the curb and snap their fingers and say "next." At least it really seems that way on the dating sites. The new world of text message breakups...sigh | |
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| What happened to Morals, and true unconditonal love?
Posted: 7/4/2008 4:42:44 PM | Sounds as if your depressed buddy..there are good people out there with morals just have to try that little bit harder to find them.
I havnt had much luck on the dating scene lately, I consider myself a decent guy, I've been raised properly from a good family....I know right from wrong and when I fate allows me to meet that speical girl, I will treat her like a queen and give her all the love and support she needs.
Hang in there buddy, you will find what your looking for, keep your chin up  | |
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| What happened to Morals, and true unconditonal love?
Posted: 7/4/2008 4:44:40 PM | Where did they go? Same place as Packard cars, fedoras, 78 RPM records, Glenn Miller, and Varney paper and wood model trains: Into a vanishing sunset, past their prime, to be maintained by only a few preservationists, a small group who themselves may not ever fit in, into an increasingly uncaring society where greed, and immorality has taken over.
Sad to say, but I've found this to be true. One can preserve the 78RPMs, the antique trains, the old style mannerisms, but love, that appears to be gone forever. | |
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| What happened to Morals, and true unconditonal love?
Posted: 7/4/2008 8:17:31 PM | I was wanting to ask the same question! Actually I have been meaning to post a similar thread.
Well, I hate to say it but it's America. 52% of all marriages end in divorce and the number climbs every single year! Too much greed has taken over and we have been way desensitized since TV has gotten color. Everything is SEX SEX SEX and strippers are glorified as a great life while what goes on behind the curtains remains hidden. It's only getting worse as the economy gets worse and people get even more desensitized. Virtually everyone where I live does drugs. Virtually everyone now smokes cigarettes. It's so common now for both guys and girls to have at least one DUI on their license record.
Where I live, it seems almost impossible to find anyone who has much of any morals. Guys and girls alike, cheating on their boyfriends/girlfriends back and forth making out with everyone as if their were no such thing as STDs or pride. "friends" are more of acquaintances who stab you in the back at any given moment. Virtually everyone is Jaded.
Remember when girls would say men are pigs and it was mostly men that were jerks with the occasional girl that was just as bad? Now woman are just as bad as men. (Not all but most here in the US especially in the city). My friend is a DJ and I help him setup. We see all the girls who have boyfriends come by dance on the bar half naked with heels on then making out with every guy they can in the place. Girls so drunk they can't walk with guys "helping them up" to get into their car for a one nightstand that will probably be more like a comatose victim.
I got a ton of messed up stories about girls who rather be with men with muscles who beat them up then a guy who will treat them right. I got others who found out the guy had a whole family, so they broke up, now shes hanging out with him again wanting to get back with him after he dumped her on a text when his wife confronted her at work. SHE asked me out, SHE chased me too! So I guess it was only fitting SHE dump me.
Sometimes I think I have no faith in humanity anymore.  | |
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| What happened to Morals, and true unconditonal love?
Posted: 7/4/2008 9:30:17 PM | | well... it kind of seems like you DID experience pretty close to unconditional love for this girl -- yes, it sucks donkey****that she didn't return the favour, but at least you know now that you CAN experience it and it is out there! You can't give up on it -- cuz what if the next girl is even more amazing, and feels every single thing you do back again, and stays true blue forever! yay! it can happy, don't give up please :) | |
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| What happened to Morals, and true unconditonal love?
Posted: 7/4/2008 9:55:15 PM | Nothing has happened to the world in general. The belief that people were somehow more faithful, more real, more honest, more romantic in the past is a big misconception. Look throughout history and you will see that relationships have always been challenging. Learn more about history and watch less "Leave it to Beaver."
As far as unconditional love, sounds to me that you're looking for a relationship with a lifetime guarantee. If that is what you want, then you don't really want to be in a relationship. There are never any guarantees in relationships just like there are no guarantees that you will wake up tomorrow. It may sound kind of pessimistic, but it really isn't f you think about it. For example, despite the lack of a guarantee that you will wake up in the morning, you continue to live life and plan for the future. Same approach applies to relationships. You may never find yourself in a foolproof no-risk to your feelings relationship, but to agonize about this truth is unproductive and you continue to move forward while welcoming the opportunity to share your life with someone for as long as it lasts and despite the risks. | |
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| What happened to Morals, and true unconditonal love?
Posted: 7/4/2008 10:02:03 PM | I totally feel what you're saying. It seems as if people just get into any relationship for all the wrong reasons. And then when they don't like something about the person they move on and say they can't deal with it. Since when has ANY relationship been easy? As far as I know it takes work to have any kind of relationship with people. I don't think people value other people the way they use to. I don't think that people even care about one another like they use to. There are many heartless people in this world just looking for meaningless relationships with varies people.
I also think that many people in the younger generation are okay with having relationships like that. Therefore other people see that it works for the younger people that have no life experiences and they go with it too. And then you have the parents that may be doing the same thing and the kids learn it from them. To break it all down, as each generation grows up I think relationships are more and more irrelevant to people. Because nobody cherishes others the way they use to. They figure there are plenty of other people to use . No values or morals or even respect for themselves anymore. it's sad | |
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| What happened to Morals, and true unconditonal love?
Posted: 7/4/2008 10:13:35 PM | | this is how it goes just ....you need one person, just the one so some of them are noy going to be likeable; that's because they are not for you.....you realy realy love the right one. | |
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| What happened to Morals, and true unconditonal love?
Posted: 7/4/2008 10:49:51 PM | I think there are many many people in the world that give love unconditionally, and their partners NEVER ask for it, expect it, demand it, and some don't even realise it.
It's the people who expect it, ask for it, and demand it that usually are the ones least deserving of love at all | |
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