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Posted: 7/16/2006 9:42:21 AM | I have had several interviews. Mostly with york regional (where I live) and it doesnt have anything to do with my passion of modding cars (to make the record clear my camaro is stock in the motor compartment aside from headers) and I only did that for sound, not hp.
I am all about show, and could care less about go. Every day that I drive my passion I get pulled over and harrassed. The best question I get is....Where is the nos?
I laugh at this everytime, its like a good joke you cant get enough of. When I tell them that this is a show car they tell me that street racing and show cars go hand in hand.
The point I was making is this, these police officers ARE NOT LICENSED MECHANICS. They have no clue about whats legal and whats not.
Look at (as someone already pointed out) the corvettes, vipers and now even some trucks (srt-10 ram). These things come from the factory rated at at least 500hp and even more with the zr1 corvette.
I use my camaro for show only. Thats it. I wont lie, and if anyone says that they havent street raced at least once, they are lieing as well. Even if you put a little too much onto the throttle at a light to get passed the guy...guess what..you just street raced.
All I want from the government, figure out a way to get these a-holes off the street (the ones causing the problems) and leave the actual enthusiasts alone. We dont like what street racing is either. | |
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Posted: 7/16/2006 11:19:39 AM | camaro true... but the cops do have a book to follow.
if the book says 'look for exhaust extensions that are larger than "" in diameter, this is illegal.
etc.
some cops may have mechanic experience, that will help them to use judgement rather than just following the book all the time. | |
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Posted: 7/17/2006 1:42:46 PM | camaro true... but the cops do have a book to follow.
if the book says 'look for exhaust extensions that are larger than "" in diameter, this is illegal.
etc.
some cops may have mechanic experience, that will help them to use judgement rather than just following the book all the time.
Yes they are told what to look for but at the same time, most is not in the book. What they are suposed to do is give you a ticket saying that you must go to the MOT garage and have a saftey check done. What most cops will call illegal is 9 out of 10 times perfectly legal.
I watched that A&E show about street racing in Toronto too and remember the cop saying that they are going to hit them in the wallet. Then he was showing pictures of what to look for and all of what he showed I know for a fact is perfectly legal. They just write it up as racing equipment. For most people some times its cheaper to pay the fine then take a day or two off work and fight it in court. The cops know this and thats why they do it.
I just wish they would stop doing it at legal racing events out side the track gates or at legal car shows.
And where the hell were they when my truck and 2 cars were broken in to one night a couple of years ago.
Tax colecters thats all they are in my eyes.
Putting real criminals in jail dose not raise enough money to buy thier new cars. Writing tickets to car owners does. | |
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Posted: 7/17/2006 3:05:02 PM | Here is what the Federal Government is doing to combat street racing;
http://www.tacklingcrime.gc.ca/stronger_laws_e.asp
Quoted from the above link;
Street Racing (Bill C-19)
On June 15, 2006, the government proposed a new street racing offence to help ensure safer streets for Canadians. The proposal would create a separate Criminal Code offence of street racing, which would include increased maximum punishments for:
-dangerous driving (no bodily harm or death)
-dangerous driving causing bodily harm
-dangerous driving causing death
-criminal negligence causing bodily harm
-criminal negligence causing death
This new offence would also include escalating mandatory driving prohibitions for people convicted of street racing. These periods of driving prohibition would be in addition to the offender’s prison sentence.
A more in-depth look;
http://justice.gc.ca/en/news/nr/2006/doc_31820.html
MINISTER OF JUSTICE PROPOSES NEW STREET RACING OFFENCE
OTTAWA, June 15, 2006 – Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada, Vic Toews Q.C., today introduced a new Criminal Code offence that will help ensure safer streets for Canadians.
"Street racers threaten public safety and, in some cases, tragically take innocent lives. Street racing is not about kids having fun. It is a reckless and dangerous activity that has no place in Canadian communities,” said Minister Toews. “This legislation will help meet the commitment we made to Canadians to make streets safer and ensure effective and appropriate justice is administered to criminals."
The current Government proposal would create a separate Criminal Code offence of street racing, which would reference the offences of dangerous driving (no bodily harm or death), dangerous driving causing bodily harm, dangerous driving causing death, criminal negligence causing bodily harm, and criminal negligence causing death. This new offence would also include increased maximum punishments and escalating mandatory driving prohibitions for those convicted of street racing.
“There is no task more important to any government than the protection of its citizens,” said Minister Toews. “That is why the Government is sending a strong message that street racing on Canada 's roads and highways will not be tolerated and that offenders will be dealt with appropriately by the criminal justice system.”
The proposed punishments for the new street racing offence are as follows:
Offence
Current Punishment
Proposed Punishment with Street Racing
Dangerous Driving (no bodily harm or death)
Summary Conviction or,
on Indictment imprisonment up to five years maximum
Summary Conviction or,
on Indictment imprisonment up to
five years maximum
Dangerous Driving causing Bodily Harm
Up to 10 years maximum imprisonment
Up to 14 years maximum imprisonment
Dangerous Driving causing Death
Up to 14 years maximum imprisonment
Up to lifetime maximum imprisonment
Criminal Negligence causing Bodily Harm
Up to 10 years maximum imprisonment
Up to 14 years maximum imprisonment
Criminal Negligence causing Death
Up to lifetime maximum imprisonment
Up to lifetime maximum imprisonment
In addition, the Government proposal would include mandatory minimum driving prohibitions on a first, second and subsequent street racing conviction.
For a first street racing conviction, the mandatory driving prohibitions are:
Offence
Mandatory Driving Prohibitions
Dangerous Driving (no bodily harm or death)
1 year minimum up to 3 years maximum
Dangerous Driving causing Bodily Harm
1 year minimum up to 10 years maximum
Dangerous Driving causing Death
1 year minimum up to 10 years maximum
Criminal Negligence causing Bodily Harm
1 year minimum up to 10 years maximum
Criminal Negligence causing Death
1 year minimum up to lifetime maximum
For a second street racing conviction, the mandatory driving prohibitions are:
Offence
Mandatory Driving Prohibitions
Dangerous Driving (no bodily harm or death)
2 years minimum up to 5 years maximum
Dangerous Driving causing Bodily harm
2 years minimum up to 10 years maximum
Dangerous Driving causing Death
*Lifetime minimum
Criminal Negligence causing Bodily harm
2 years minimum up to 10 years maximum
Criminal Negligence causing Death
*Lifetime minimum
*The lifetime minimum driving prohibition would apply if an offender has two convictions where someone was injured or killed as a result of street racing, and at least one of these offences caused a death .
For subsequent street racing convictions, the mandatory driving prohibitions are:
Offence
Mandatory Driving Prohibitions
Dangerous Driving (no bodily harm or death)
3 years minimum up to lifetime maximum
Dangerous Driving causing Bodily Harm
3 years minimum up to lifetime maximum
Dangerous Driving causing Death
*Lifetime minimum
Criminal Negligence causing Bodily
Harm
3 years minimum up to lifetime maximum
Criminal Negligence causing Death
*Lifetime minimum
*The lifetime minimum driving prohibition would apply if an offender has three or more convictions where someone was injured or killed as a result of street racing, and at least one of these offences caused a death.
These periods of driving prohibition would be in addition to any period to which the offender is sentenced to imprisonment.
Does it really seem worth it to see who modified their car better and who has the biggest penis? | |
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Posted: 7/17/2006 4:50:15 PM | Biggest penis??
Modifying cars are what we do as a hobby. Its just like playing hockey or foot ball but not as boring. Its not about ego you dork. We do it cause we love it and have a passion for cars. Its somthing that alot of people will never understand. Just like I cant understand why everyone is so hung up about hockey and crap like that.
Why dont you read what the rest of us are saying and keep your ignorant statments to your self.
We are not saying we want the right to race on the street and or that street racing is ok. We want a track that will alow us to race in a street style. Not the bracket and index crap the drag strip offers. One night a week at the drag strip is not enough and the friday nights at cayuga are usually a joke. They run it like a time trial day and have seen over an hour with them only running one lane. You can almost never get to race who you want to race. Thats not what its all about. The drag strip has gone away from its roots.
Drag racing was born on the street and is the reason there are drag strips in the first place but now its all sectioned off and run on ladders.
There are alot of us with modified cars "who race at the track" but drive on the street that are in danger of being charged under these laws too.
Where is the definiton of a street race in that bill?
Some one spinning thier tires off a set of lights with out ever breaking the speed limit can be charged with this as well. I`ve seen it happen. Now we are facing jail for that???
Its not right man. This law threatens every one with some kind of hot rod.
Ever see those guys at the local cruise nightss with all the old 50s and 60s cars?? 80% of those cars have modifications to them and like to use them now and again. This efects them too. | |
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Posted: 7/17/2006 5:13:31 PM | Biggest penis??
Modifying cars are what we do as a hobby. Its just like playing hockey or foot ball but not as boring. Its not about ego you dork. We do it cause we love it and have a passion for cars. Its somthing that alot of people will never understand. Just like I cant understand why everyone is so hung up about hockey and crap like that.
Why dont you read what the rest of us are saying and keep your ignorant statments to your self.
And why dont YOU read my other posts?
I clearly support collectors and show goers in my other posts, if they do not race.
My last post was directed at street racers, and NOT collectors and show participants. Cops do not know who is actually a racer and who is actually a collector. So, they target every-one with a modified car.
What was that about a dork?
You can thank the racers who have killed and maimed innocent people for the toughened laws. Personally, I am glad they are tougher. To me, there is no difference between killing some-one with a gun or a car, they are both weapons and can kill when used stupidly.
And street racing is stupid.
Please do tell me why two people would race a suped up car on an urban street endangering innocents if it is not about penis size?
Oh wait yes thats right, they just like to tinker with their expensive cars cause its a "hobby" and care nothing about their reputations and how they look in the eyes of the other idiots, right?
I would suggest any-one who races a car on any public road is not only a dork, but should have the privledge (it is a privledge, not a RIGHT) to drive removed permantly. If their racing results in damage or injury to any public property or person then the person(s) responsible should be put in jail on top of being permantly banned from driving.
Do these people lack reason and common sense?
There is no justification or arguement for racing on a street.
Its just egomaniancs trying to be cool in front of the other egomaniacs. Period.
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Posted: 7/17/2006 5:28:25 PM | | ^^^ does that include "racing" to beat the red light or driving a little faster to "beat" rush hour traffic up and down the 400? | |
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Posted: 7/17/2006 5:38:08 PM | ^^^ does that include "racing" to beat the red light or driving a little faster to "beat" rush hour traffic up and down the 400?
There is a difference between some-one who spends their time and allot of money giving a car more horsepower, better handling, etc to race then there is with John Doe putting his foot on the pedal because he is late for work.
Both are dangerous but the racer has the intent to race and goes out looking for it because of his ego.
You are trying to paint every day stupid / bad drivers as the same as racers. They are not.
Intent / motive is a very big factor in the eyes of the law, for a reason. | |
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Posted: 7/17/2006 6:19:53 PM | So the fact that next season, my truck will roll out with a larger motor than the factory offered, wider tires, better suspension, an exhaust that makes a bit of noise from slightly larger pipes coming out the back (everything is MOT approved, and all functions worked like they were factory, including emissions, ABS and every other safety feature). That gives some newbie cop the right to pull me over and Harass me, embarass me and charge me? Simply because I have a truck that I look after and its something I take pride in. Ever since I was a little kid, cars have been a very large interest of mine. So I spend a few months of hard work and a few thousand to make my truck a statement of who I am (and its not proclaiming I HAVE A BIGGER PENIS) gives someone a right to take money out of my pocket, or put points on my license? I drive for a living, so I can't have points.
Not sure why cops target us when we leave car shows, or the drag strip. sure, some kid peels it out of the parking lot... nail that kid, not pull over a mass group of people taking it easy!
Most of us with these done up cars have cars that are safer than alot of the old clunkers on the road. Since they put so much work into these cars, not much gets missed then they work on them and they get fixed right away... I can't let anything on my truck be slightly wrong because it nags me... most normal people just turn the radio up untill the problem gets big enough to drown out the radio! I got my truck when my car became unsafe and not worth fixing...
not sure why I still see alot of cars with holes in the body, cracked windshileds, leaky exhausts, those temporary spare donut tires that have been on for a while and a whole list of other unsafe deals...
Still... racing shouldn't be allowed on the street, but the only way to hit these guys is when an officer sees people light them up! not me downtown on a saturday night on a way to the local hang out place just because my truck looks like it will haul.
I see alot of people going WAY too fast since I'm on the road alot, and alot of people that make some bad decisions and cause accidents... and for some reason I notice that alot of BMW's do 130 plus on the 400 series highways... | |
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Posted: 7/17/2006 8:48:27 PM |
Where is the definiton of a street race in that bill?
Still waiting for that answer......
The last proposed law has something about making "speed equipment" that could be used for racing illegal. No matter what the intent, it basically gave the police an unbrella law that would allow them to charge anyone who modified a vehicle. This one sounds similar...
Frankly, our beloved government tends to royally screw up anything it messes with so I'd rather they left the car hobby alone. No so I can race others on the street but so I can enjoy my hobby. | |
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Posted: 7/17/2006 8:53:47 PM | You can thank the racers who have killed and maimed innocent people for the toughened laws. Personally, I am glad they are tougher. To me, there is no difference between killing some-one with a gun or a car, they are both weapons and can kill when used stupidly.
And street racing is stupid.
Killing some one with a gun is Illegal and that happens everyday.
Robbing banks is Illegal but you still read about it in the paper.
Selling drugs is illegal, but people still sell and buy them.
street racing is already illegal, making the law tougher wont do anything to stop it.
I`ve already said this before but I guess I got to say it again. Racing has claimed 33 lives in 6 years in the GTA. This is an inflated number because at least half of those were some dumb ass all by himself driving too fast on a busy road. I read the papers and when its street racing that makes the front page, I pay close attention to it.
Now why wont they post the number of lives lost due to racing before the year 2000? (Before that damn movie came out) The rason I ask that is because street racing has died down in the last 10 years. Believe it or not but its true.
Why wont they compare that number to the number of deaths due to stupid drivers that run red lights or drive too fast. Those people are the ones I am worried about all the time. I`ve seen more accidents caused by dumb people like that then I have ever seen due to street racing.
Fact is I hang out with the domestic car crowd on the weekends and have been doing so for about 20 years. Now there is some racing going on between a few of them and I have never seen anyone get hurt.
Another fact, in that crowd I know of one cop, one fire fighter, a dentist, a lawyer, and a few other highley respected people. We will also ask any one to leave if they come in driving like an idiot, Any new comers that show up are also asked to use the garbage cans and keep the stereos down. We police our selves and for the most part it works. And any one in an import who attemps that drifting sh*t in the parking lot will soon have about 50 people walking up to them in a big hurry.
I have probably seen over 1000 races that took place on the street in the last 20 years. I`ve seen one car hit the ditch in that whole time. Thats it. Only injury was the guys pride.
I do race at the track but if I said that I dont ever race on the street any more I would be lying. I just dont do it as much. Maybe twice a year. I havnt done the money thing in about 10 years.
I moved to this city to be closer to the track. I dont go looking for a race prowling the streets ready to kill some one. Usualy its a friend that wants to see how they do against me and we will go out on the highway at 2 am when there is no traffic. Not on busy roads where some one could get hurt. It only lasts 1/4 mile and we barley reach the speeds that the average car drives down the same highway in heavy traffic.
I was on the 401 for a couple of hours yesterday and was starting to get nervouse. People are flying buy me talking on their cell phones, weaving in and out of traffic, going ove 130 km. I was doing no more than 110 and getting passed by every one like I was in reverse. the only cars I passed were some of the modified cars that everyone says are a problem on the roads.
I wonder how many of these people driving that fast even know that the cheap discount tires they bought are not rated to go that fast.
Now I do wish the kids in the imports would smarten up a bit and follow that example. If they did, you wouldnt read about it in the paper and there would be no new bill against it.
We do not modify our cars to inflate our egos and not out there showing off our penis size. That statment is why you got called a dork.
cdnrednk...
When you get that truck done, meet me at cayuga and I`ll have you a go with my truck. That is if its still legal to drive them by then | |
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Posted: 7/17/2006 9:31:53 PM | I'll be up for meeting out at the track once its done.
Myself, I drive on the 400 series at 110 due to the fuel mileage in my truck and yeah, I see alot of people fly past me that are just not paying attention. Things happen faster than you think at any speed. I know this from a few high speed accidents on the snow machines including animal collisions.
The racing on a public roadway I do is like dragracer99 stated, usually its a buddy and me having a laugh down one of the roads we live on (back country) in the middle of the night.
When I first got my truck, I raced a budy in his grand prix and another friend in his pick up. it was just a short run up to 120 or so and that was that. most people go down those back roads at that speed anyways.
I'm not saying road racing shouldnt be illegal, but you can't paint us all with the same brush. Some young kid trying to emulate a movie is different than someone that knows what they are doing and has the experience, self control and brains to do it in a smart manner.
City streets are not the place. But it shouldn't matter if someones vehicle looks like it is used for racing... lots of these cars have nothing more than flashy paint, some extra peices of fiberglass on the body and a loud muffler. | |
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Posted: 7/18/2006 11:08:21 PM | ok...
I will say this only once, so please, take note.
I dont give a flying FUK who likes my car and who doesnt.
I modded it my way because I like it. I also modded a camaro, because it was different. The several dozen trophies i have in my home also dictate that it was done well.
This isnt about show goers, this is about the idiots with mommy and daddys STOCK honda civics that think they are the king shT because they have their license and they wanna show off.
Look at how many of those cars that caused accidents were modded...id say to be fair..no more then 5%.
The rest were stock cars piloted by under trained drivers.
Its a money grab, they see that we put alot of money into our cars and figure its a good way to get some easy money. Plain and simple | |
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Posted: 7/19/2006 2:13:06 PM | Yep, I agree.
Thats why I'm against the police targeting people that "look like we have racing vehicles" and its why I talked about these being under skilled kids without enough experience at high speed to know how fast things happen.
I've rolled a snowmobile at 150... happened in a split second and I've been snowmobiling for 10 years, most of it full out so I have a fair bit of experience and it still happens... I had a slow speed roll over avoiding an old man in his boat of a car a few years ago so yeah, I don't over drive but alot of people do untill they find out how fast it happens.
And if you look at the stats... they are just like camaroguy said, young guys in mommy and daddys car. No 18 year old kid is going to afford a new BMW.
I think them outlawing performance parts is not the way to go...
We will still modify our vehicles, and this will put even more parts into the underground market, and people will start to modify using home grown methods... like heating springs with a torch to lower a vehicle.. it works, but its not safe! So it keeps everyone safer if the market stays open and the government can cash in on the tax from legal sales... if it goes underground they loose ALOT of currency exchange. And, I'm sure alot of kids would no longer be interested in being a mechanic, so you would not only affect some of us, you affect all of us. Sales of higher end performace cars would probably suffer... you make more money from a higher end car then off an economy kia... I don't think these parts will be outlawed, I don't think the government is that stupid.
However, this is the country that put in force a 2 billion dollar long gun registery that is now down the tubes!!! and who warned you guys?? legal, responsible gun owners... just like us legal and responsible vehicle enthusiasts. | |
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Posted: 7/20/2006 4:53:31 PM | let me demonstrate to the crowd what we consider 'stupid street racing'
or generally any sort of stupid act on the road.
#1 http://videos.streetfire.net/hottestvideos/10/C6FEB2EB-D5DF-4E32-8CBA-85FECBA08002.htm
#2
http://videos.streetfire.net/hottestvideos/10/689F6A00-A964-49F4-B5AA-5912F15C57FA.htm
#3 - worst culprits yet... obviously a public road, you can see the houses.
http://videos.streetfire.net/hottestvideos/11/D998628E-2EB1-4903-A614-99CF30B38B08.htm
#4 this one is a doozy... you can tell they do this often, on public roads... they even have mics to compliment their sick passing skills.
http://videos.streetfire.net/hottestvideos/11/10EC2ED8-4DC4-4B72-91BE-C66D6CFE5F00.htm
thats my little contribution to this conversation... these videos = the fools we want to get off the road.
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Posted: 7/20/2006 5:34:57 PM | street racing is just a label ignorant people use,, they will label everything street racing, the guy who speeds or the flashy car, they dont know what street racing is, only one video clip was racing, yet they were all street racers?
i do believe though if the track is made it will give people who want to do it legally a place to go, and if cops really want to be proactive about the issue and not dumbasses they will take a lesson from one cop who has a bike all done up in police decals and stuff and he goes to the track on his days off and lets people chase him or he chases you if you want, see proactive much better
also i do agree that emergency vehicles can cause more accidents then street racing, and i do not believe that its because motorists are not paying attention its that some emergency vehicles lose control, fail to proceed when safe, and/or just misjudge a distance and slam into a vehicle. | |
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Posted: 7/20/2006 6:06:57 PM | let me take the time to reply to parts of your message derps.
ignorant people label everything, as I have stated 2 pages ago I consider 'racing' to be anything where you go faster than the speed limit... you may be alone but hey guess what, you're still racing yourself, trying to remind yourself of how 'big and powerful' your car is. if you can give me examples of why the other 3 videos were NOT street racing... i'd be happy to change my stance.
1st video... car is RACING around a corner... on a street.... street+racing.
2nd video... car is doing a high speed 360 degree turn manouver to impress his friends, in a parking lot, what happens if he looses control or some mechanical malfunction occurs? he goes blasting straight into something else besides a light post.
3rd video... nuff said, you can tell what they are both doing and where they are.
4th video... again, its painfully obvious what they are doing, a group of teenagers.
and finally, again I said that emergency vehicles DO cause crashes just like anyone else... no one is perfect, but to say they cause MORE than street racers is unfounded b.s. The last time I checked it is illegal to not yield for emergency vehicles, and yet I see it everyday people who blatently ignore the lightbar and siren... the ambulance is going to use caution but he STILL has a life to save somewhere down the road. We could argue on both sides of the fence about this, suffice to say the general public does not pay enough attention to emergency vehicles, they are the catalyst that creates the accident.
Have you ever driven along the 407 or 401 and went past a 1+2 vehicle collision? keep going 500m and what do you see.... 2 more cars pulled over with bumper damage. People do not pay attention, traffic is usually moving at 5km/hour past an accident scene.. if that fast... and yet people still ram into each other.
I THINK i got off on a tagent there, excuse me :) | |
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Posted: 7/20/2006 7:28:08 PM | Street racing is just stupid. I know there are a lot of guys out there that are super proud of their cars and all the work they put into them. I also know that the news shows deaths weekly of these same people that think racing is cool. I can't tell you guys how often us women folk see these souped up cars and roll our eyes. We don't think you are "cool". We don't think doing a buck 90 on the 401 is sexy. We don't think the subwoofer system in place will score you a date. Perhaps it's different in the big cities, regardless, what's the point in all this racing? Testosterone infused male egos. Why don't you all RACE to see who gets the laundry done first or the dishes? Or clean the house or SOUP UP the dishwasher? Add SUBS to the baby intercom? Hey..how about just get a real life?
Hate to say it, but the losers that die from their racing, pretty much deserve it. Those they take innocently, are the ones that don't. And God bless their families. | |
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Posted: 7/20/2006 9:08:17 PM | Ok since we are posting videos now, let me post one of what street racing really is.
http://www.1320video.com/vids/SR6.9.wmv
This is the kind of racing that has been going on since the 50s and still goes on today. This is the kind of racing that alot of your parents and grand parents did.
Notice the difference between the kind of racing that goes on in this video over what ArmedandArmoured posted.
Notice the wide road and lack of traffic.
Notice how no one is standing past the starting line and also notice that it only lasts a 1/4 mile.
I agree that the idiots in the videos ArmedandArmoured posted should be shot. That isnt street racing. That is just stupidity. The biggest problem is there really are no tracks for them. They are in a world of thier own.
Like cdnrednk said before, dont paint all street racers with the same brush. That kind of sh*t didnt start till that F&F movie came out and now we are all branded and all have to pay the price. | |
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Posted: 7/21/2006 5:11:30 AM | maybe we should change the wording that we use.
"Street racing is a form of auto racing that takes place on the streets, either during normal traffic or during empty hours of traffic, often within the industrial areas of cities. It is illegal, as such driving is prohibited by many traffic regulations. Speeds in an illegal street race can reach over 100 miles per hour and due to the unprofessionalism of the driving, crashes can occur easily, at times with deadly results."
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"Road racing can be of two types. True road races are run over what are, in fact, public roads that have been temporarily closed off to the public for the purpose of conducting a race. Notable examples of this include the Monaco Grand Prix which is conducted on the city streets of the small principality, the Mille Miglia, the Targa Florio,and the Isle of Man Tourist Trophy, probably the most famous motorcycle race of its type.
Alternatively, road races can be conducted on purpose-built race tracks that, due to their irregular shapes and many turns and curves, resemble true road courses. Due to safety and insurance concerns, this style of racing has largely supplanted true road racing, particularly in Europe. In the USA, road racing is also occasionally conducted using the infield and oval portions of tracks, such as the 24 Hours of Daytona. Road Racing has been featured in many video games." | |
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Posted: 7/21/2006 12:27:03 PM | | ok first, racing is racing not speeding, when i drive im not racing myself, im just going faster at a comfortable pace, also the video with the probe that wasnt racing that was a guy going fast around a corner to pass his buddies, he wasnt racing anyone, racing takes two people otherwise its just speeding, secondly the problem drivers are ones who push the boundary of their and their car's limits, they cant control the car but think they can, also they dont know how to recover if something does go wrong, ie the probe accident | |
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Posted: 7/21/2006 1:55:00 PM | | dragracer thats how i know street racing we always used to do it safe. Who are those people in that video hurting?......... Nobody but now they would be considered criminals just like clifford olsen. Isnt freedom great. | |
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Posted: 7/21/2006 2:00:29 PM | so when you're on the 407 doing 140 past everyone else... you're not racing them to get somewhere?
and the probe video you can tell they are all out on that stretch of road for one purpose, why else would they have hand held mic's to talk to each other?
and technically speaking arnt all the 'hobby modders' also pushing their car past the limits? otherwise why bother tinkering with the engine to squeeze out more HP?
also its a very limited amount of people who CAN handle their vehicle when something goes wrong... I can drive normally, but if something happened I would probably be as helpless as the next person beside me, i can admit that no problem. even professional nascar drivers get into accidents, and they drive everyday for a living at very fast speeds....
i forget where I was going with this, except to say that because you are part of a club and have experience tinkering with your car or modifying it, doesnt make you an expert driver by any means. | |
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| legal street racing?
Posted: 7/21/2006 2:01:14 PM | 1st video... car is RACING around a corner... on a street.... street+racing.[quote/] That was an idiot drifting, not racing. 2nd video... car is doing a high speed 360 degree turn manouver to impress his friends, in a parking lot, what happens if he looses control or some mechanical malfunction occurs? he goes blasting straight into something else besides a light post. [quote/] Again, not racing. 1 car doing donuts in a parking lot. You`ve never done that in the winter in an empty parking lot with your friends? Not racing. 3rd video... nuff said, you can tell what they are both doing and where they are.[quote/] Ya it was racing but it was a couple of rich kids with no regard for the general public and are the ones that screw it up for every one. Dont paint them with the same brush you are painting everyone else. 4th video... again, its painfully obvious what they are doing, a group of teenagers.[quote/]
Not racing again. Looks to me that every one exept for the idiot in the probe were driving responsibly.
Face it, before the fast and furious movie came out, street racing was not really an issue and hearing reports of some one being hurt or killed at a street race was always the cause of some kid in a stolen car or some rich kids with daddys porsche. Never once have I heard of any from the regulars who race. But they are the ones that pay the price for others stupidity.
The cops used to look the other way and even tell us to take it out side the city limits.
Give the real street racers a place to go and race legaly. You cant just brush it off and say take it too the track. The track is not open enough for street racing. This week end the track is not open for anything other than the big event.
All they need is a piece of asphalt and then make it fair game for any idiots left on the street to have the book thrown at them but dont paint them all with the same brush and ban the whole car hobby.
Most street racers are above the age of 30 and have jobs and families. I`ve said this before but even those in the public service have been known to race on the street and even one of your own armedandarmoured is a street racer. I know him very well.
The fact is that if you never been in that world, you will never truely understand it and that all the idiots on the road will be street racers in your eyes.
Hell I want to see cell phones banned from use while driving. They cause more wrecks than any one. | |
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| legal street racing?
Posted: 7/21/2006 2:01:58 PM | | wireboy... just because none of those people ran into some else (except for the guy that rolled his car????) doesnt mean they are allowed to do it... that would be if i said I am going to go shoot my gun into the air outside in the backyard, hell its not hurting anyone! | |
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