Derps
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Joined: 2/23/2006
Msg: 76 | |
| legal street racing?
Posted: 7/21/2006 4:05:50 PM | i dont think we are even on the same planet, RACING- two people go as fast as they can to see who can get to a finish line first- Not me going 140 on the highway cause i want to get somewhere
the street racing thats a problem is people racing- two or more people with the intent to race - not some people doinn burnouts in a parking lots and such
the probe video they had radios cause thats what cruisers do, we get together all go to the same channel and we can talk while cruising to the car show or to the car meet, i personally have 2 in my car just in case. all you have to go on is stereotype and prejudices. " oh in fast and the furious they used radios" so i guess that means all radio users are street racers, | |
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Posted: 7/21/2006 8:49:16 PM | I think cell phones should be entirely illegal to be used in the car... even the handsfree type.
I put on ALOT of miles at work and I notice alot of people swerving in their lanes, cuting people off because they are on the phone. I just about put some business man in his BMW into the retaining wall coming down the hamilton mountain in rush hour traffic... I drive a big bright yellow truck for work, normally I have a load of propane on loaded too... you think people would take caution around a bomb going down the road!
I live in a small town, and know most of the officers, and I know a fair bunch of them have some NICE old muscle cars that have a bit of rumble to em, wide tires out back and a flashy paint job, and I've seen them lay some rubber down right down town... Above the law I guess... Same as the 2 cruisers I saw go flying in to the timmies with the cherries on lol.
As for emergency vehicles, I remember a few months ago there was a big stink about how many cruisers get ruined, and one officer wrote off 3 cars in 6 months. I've seen a few really close calls with police going too fast for road conditions. I saw 3 cruisers in a row on a pouring down rain doing well over 100 km an hour in a 60 zone in a busy section of town... no way could they have stopped. I understand, you are in a hurry to get to an urgent situation, but what use is it if you kill someone else? Maybe some kid comes running in to the road to take a look at the cops going past.
I've seen those videos... That kid in the probe was showing off and got himself into some trouble and didn't know how to get out of a slide, everyone else was going at a good honest pace, I didn't even see tailgating.
We've all blown donuts in the winter!
And, as to someone else's comment about these vehicles being penis extensions...
I admit, there are guys that put in the subs and the mufflers and all that for attention... notice they all listen to the same music? and generally they are all the same make of cars.
Sorry that I have a skill and a hobby to put work into my vehicle to have something that isn't like everything else... and so what if it comes out to be faster? I'm not trying to impress anyone, or get a date. I wouldn't want a girl that lets on she is talking to me because of my truck.
I might go to a meet at the local timmies on friday night and pop the hood open when someone is interested in what I've done. I'm doing something that not alot of people do, people are interested in new things. I'm not "yeah, she's got enough power to leave you in the dust any day". More of this is my work, this is how it was done... and all the other questions people ask.
The racing problem are these kids in the city doing it in the wrong way. It can be done safely... I know its not legal, but out here we are carefull to do it where nobody other than the participants are at risk, and we know we are taking a risk...
How many people die each year on snowmobiles in ontario?? I'm bringing this up because there are alot of us riders out there. Most machines now go from 0-100 in about 4 seconds, and have a top speed higher than most cars. I've hit nearly 200 km an hour flying across a field, bouncing around on the edge of control. There are smart ways to do it and dumb ways. I've only had one accident due to a mechanical failure wich can happen at any time. But the people that die were obviously being reckless.
On the trails, there is a max speed limit of 50 km an hour... NOBODY goes this slow, and we follow the same rules and penalties as the road... its enforced too. But, nobody hears about the snowmobiler that was out at 2 in the morning on his way home and wraps the sled around a tree when he missed a bend since he wasn't familiar with the trail... Happens all the time, and I've lost quite a few people that I know to this sport alone... and none of us that have taken it to the streets have even had a single incident! | |
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| legal street racing?
Posted: 7/22/2006 12:57:55 PM |
the probe video they had radios cause thats what cruisers do, we get together all go to the same channel and we can talk while cruising to the car show or to the car meet, i personally have 2 in my car just in case. all you have to go on is stereotype and prejudices. " oh in fast and the furious they used radios" so i guess that means all radio users are street racers,
derps, i didn't even mention fast and the furious once, where are you getting that quote from...?
and I have more than just stereotypes to go on, I have first hand live action knowledge from everyday... infact just today I had someone who almost smashed into me twice while coming onto the DVP north, if he wasnt racing -against me- trying to get ahead before the lane merged i wouldnt have noticed.
i think i'll just let you car guys battle it out from now on, its obvious that the topic wasnt started with the intention of getting real feedback... like it or not what I am giving you is probably what the general population will regard as street racing... and YES you will be labeled. Welcome to society. | |
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Posted: 7/22/2006 2:47:58 PM | infact just today I had someone who almost smashed into me twice while coming onto the DVP north, if he wasnt racing -against me- trying to get ahead before the lane merged i wouldnt have noticed.[quote/] so then by your definition of a race, you admit to street racing. Get your head out of your ass and open your eyes a bit man. I`m guessing you didnt yield to the merging car and thats probably why he had to speed up to get the lane. That is not racing. If thats your definition of a race, I really hope you never become a cop because 50% of the population in your division will end up in jail for racing. i think i'll just let you car guys battle it out from now on, its obvious that the topic wasnt started with the intention of getting real feedback... like it or not what I am giving you is probably what the general population will regard as street racing... and YES you will be labeled. Welcome to society.[quote/]
We welcome your feed back but when its ignorant feed back some of us will argue your point.
The topic was started to try and find a legal solution to the problem with out throwing a label out that would make a criminal out of every one with a little work done to his/her car.
The reason we use the movie fast and furious alot is because that movie was so far from what street racing really is and has given a bad name to all modified car owners in the eyes of the public. | |
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Posted: 7/22/2006 2:56:47 PM | wow... you totally mis-read that, and then took the opportunity to jump allover me.
i was coming off the ramp... he was behind me also on the ramp... he didnt merge into the left lane as the right lane ended but stayed in the right lane off the ramp and instead tried to pass me on the shoulder, when that didnt work he swerved left and tried to pass me halfway between the end of the ramp and the start of the proper lane, with oncoming traffic that blocked him, so he hung behind me until the traffic opened up and he shot across both lanes into the far left lane where he proceeded to gun it. I was going ramp speed and the speed limit on the ramp and onto the highway, obviously that wasn't fast enough for him, since he almost killed his little boy in the passenger seat doing that stunt.
make more sense now?
next time hold your horses, or ask for clarification. | |
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Posted: 7/22/2006 2:59:17 PM | sorry, addition.
also, that is not my definition of racing... just a good example of stupid driving. and I wouldnt have charged him with racing, reckless driving and endangerment to life would have fit much nicer. | |
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Posted: 7/22/2006 3:31:02 PM | | choose your words diferent next time. Dont say he was racing you, say he was being a dumb ass or somthing. The way you were talking in other posts and the videos you posted, that seems to be your definition of racing and that is why I jumped all over you on that post. | |
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Derps
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Joined: 2/23/2006
Msg: 83 | |
| legal street racing?
Posted: 7/22/2006 3:36:56 PM | exactly STUPID DRIVING, not racing thats all your examples show which is everyday people doing stupid shit while driving, not us car enthusiasts racing each other,
the quote was just a generic phrase i said in saying that because they used radios they were racers, i never said i was qutoing you,
in addition id rather see people sliding their cars around parking lots, it actually does give you some driving skills and allows you to see how the car reacts to things
in conclusion if i am labelled as a street racer before anyone sees me race, that just shows how ignorant and stupid people are, and how bad they need to remove their head from their ass, cause thats just stupid,
im with everyone else that they need to do somethin g about the street racers but they are not actually fixing the problem they are just focusing on people that they think are the problem ( Hmmmm kinda like racial profiling) look at the last 3 accidents/deaths two were High end luxury cars, not young kids, they were adults racing in their corvettes, bmws and porsches. and after that immediatly target the yonger age groups and their modified cars. | |
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Posted: 7/22/2006 3:40:27 PM | well, forget about all the talk about street racing etc...
now wasn't he racing? he was going much faster than he should have been for the conditions (was raining earlier today) on a ramp onto a highway, trying to get around a much larger vehicle (armoured econoline van versus small 2 door acura) when he could have waited 20 seconds longer and just gotten on the way normal people do.
i understand your views on street racing.. and track racing and all that jazz.. but in these terms wouldnt he be considered to be racing?
when does the term 'racing' stop applying to situations such as this? | |
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Posted: 7/22/2006 3:55:19 PM | Racing is 2 cars or more both drivers with intention of racing each other. So no in those terms it is not racing. Its ignorant driving.
One car would fall under speeding and in your case that was an impatiant driver who really didnt want to be behind you so you could throw in wreckless and or dangerous driving.
You were not trying to beat him were you? If so, then it would be racing and you could be charged too. And trust me, in a situation like that, if you use the term he was racing me to a cop that just pulled you over, that is all the evidence he needs to charge you with racing.
We have all seen those drivers out there and IMO they are a way bigger problem than street racing.
Now with that being said, I hope that if you do become a cop (I think you said that in another post but corect me if I am wrong) you learn the diferance between bad driving and racing.
Derps...The word on the street is that the other two vettes turned off the highway long before the one crashed. But some witness said they were passed by three vettes so it got labled as racing again.
The kids in the mercedies was another sigle car hitting the cab and no racing was involved. just stupid kids driving too fast.
Hell they tried to blame a video game for that one and then got on to street racing. If I remember right, it was in the winter time when most racers have thier cars put away. | |
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Posted: 7/22/2006 8:17:41 PM | | The Corvette incident I know all about. The guy who crashed saw a garbage bag in the highway and swerved to avoid the bag at the last second, lost control of the car and hit the guardrail, end of story, I won't say he wasn't speeding, because I'm 100% positive he was, but he was NOT racing, he was the only one there. | |
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Posted: 7/22/2006 8:30:15 PM | drag,
no i wasnt trying to beat him.. as i stated I was in the proper lane on the ramp. he was behind me the whole time... so cant really say i was trying to beat him, i wouldnt have even noticed he was behind me if it wasnt for the erratic side to side driving | |
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Posted: 7/23/2006 12:56:02 AM | Armed... I didnt think you were, I was just using that to point out the diference between racing and just bad driving.
That is the story I herd on the vette crash too. Like I said though, they passed some people a few miles back, maybe they were racing, maybe not, but ya they were speeding, and that was what was told to the cops, and why it was called a street race crash, but at the time of the wreck, the other 2 vettes were not even there. Single car crash.
I was talking about this to a few of my car friends tonight and one of them mentioned an article in one of the car mags about a city in Califonia that opened a place for street racers to race. Not a drag strip but a very big parking lot or somthing on those lines. The article said that street racing droped by 90% in that city after doing that. There is proof right there that it will work to curb street racing. Califonia has alot of drag strips but it took a place that was for the street racers to race to reduce the street racing there.
Thats all we want to see here. Its not that hard to do.
Ya they complain about noise and insurance but what would you rather see? Cars racing on the street or at a controled place where no one but the racers will get hurt? | |
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Derps
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Joined: 2/23/2006
Msg: 89 | |
| legal street racing?
Posted: 7/23/2006 12:57:35 PM | i didnt know about that corvette incident, sorry, i was thinking of another one involving a vette and another type of car.
as for the highway speeding that is not racing in any form its someone going faster to get past something or someone, the intent is not there to race so you can file it under STUPID DRIVING not racing
to go with Drags above thread i believe it will lower it too cause thats were alot of the racers will hang out and if someone wants to "call" someone out and race they would want to do it infront of a huge audience, the only problem would be the stupid kids in mom and dads family car that think they are cool by driving fast. real racers will use the track | |
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Posted: 7/23/2006 2:22:51 PM | Armed, last time i looked I could go out back and shoot targets on my property. For now anyway. | |
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Posted: 7/23/2006 3:58:40 PM | maybe in scarborough... haha
seriously though, what are you talking about?
its not legal to just go out in your backyard and shoot targets... thats why setting up legal shooting ranges in ontario is so hard to do. | |
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Posted: 7/23/2006 5:00:59 PM | | well I wouldn't in the city but on a property with acreage outside of the city you can, people I know do it all the time with a proper backstop setup theres is no problem or else hunting would be illegal. anyways bit off topic but same with street racing on a country road in the middle of the night wouldn't hurt anybody. | |
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Posted: 7/23/2006 5:14:14 PM | one of the big side effects that will be caused from "fast looking" cars being harassed all the time will be to bring back the "sleeper" cars...the ones that look completely stock but can do 150 mph plus before you can blink...once all these rice burner lovers figure out that the money they can save from a flashy paint job and a body kit can be put into the drivetrain and suspension they will be even more dangerous on the road because then they will also think they are invisible.
There is no doubt there is a problem with a small percentage of idiots on the road because of when and where they decide to floor it but leave it to a bunch of politicians to completely fvck it up.
They don't even know what they have done yet because they know absolutely shit about the WHOLE SITUATION. Just buying votes.
also crushing the cars is the worst thing they can do...because now you can easily be labelled as a racer for speeding I might as well take my chances and try to out run the pigs because it is highly likely my $10-25,000 or more car will be crushed, impound them maybe but crush them? that's bullshit and i'll drive it until it explodes before that would ever happen. | |
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Derps
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Joined: 2/23/2006
Msg: 94 | |
| legal street racing?
Posted: 7/24/2006 5:38:05 AM | ^ so true, there will be so many more that will not stop and keep running from the cops, i know i would, im not gonna lose 25gs just cause some cop is jealous and crushes my car
although some people dont care about the speed of their car, they put the money in visual and audio aspects because they want to, not because they think the paint adds 10hp. the only stupid part about your post was the "rice burner lover" comment | |
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skitzo
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Joined: 7/12/2006
Msg: 95 | |
| legal street racing?
Posted: 7/24/2006 6:26:28 AM | After reading couple of posts, for those who really arent into this "hobbie", there are many tuners who are just for show, while others are race.
Couple of years back I was booked for street racing and charged with reckless driving, etc, never the less the charges we're droped (long story short)
Anyway to get back to the point, we keep hearing the same story, "keep it on the track, keep it on the track"
Alot of people wouldnt mind that at all, except half way up the track, most of the imports are pulled over, and looked over with a fine comb, and after you are done with any tickets they can write up (and trust me, Ive recived fair to many tickets leaving me to scratch my head asking myself WTF!) You head to the track.
It makes me laugh, it appears the police are far more intrested in doing easy work as such as writing tickets, trying to convince someone how a cold-air intake allowes exhause funes to leak out, followed by the $250 dollar ticket, so forth and so forth.
I dont think street racing should be legal to be hounest, but if there are couple of guys in industrial area taking a quick pass, I don't see anything wrong with that.
Sadly if you are in it for looks, or motor, you are treated the same way, like some punk 17 year old who will line up at any stop light... | |
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Posted: 7/24/2006 10:17:21 AM | Its not just the imports getting pulled over skitzo, us domestic guys are dealing with it too. Hell the cops out front of the track have been known to even check a few cars that are on trailers if they have a licence plate on them. And that is a big problem. Like you said, it leaves people with the WTF did I come here for feeling.
The imports cars have been the bigest problem as of late and is why alot of you guys are hated by the domestic guys and get picked on by the cops more than us, but some cops just throw us all in the same group. Not all import guys are bad and we know that, but you have to admit that alot are.
Seems like there have been more imports coming around our hang out latley and there is always one idiot that seems to think we are impressed when he pulls in to the parking lot and does some dumb ass drifting thing. Keep that for your import hang outs and dont bring it over to the domestic hang outs if you guys want respect from us. Just last night I tore a strip off some guy in an audi that did that. We dont want to get kicked out of our hang out because of it.
And I think you miss read the topic. We are not looking to have street racing made legal. We want to see a legal place where we can do it. And yes that includes imports too. The only way that will ever happen is if we all work together on this. | |
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Posted: 7/24/2006 2:18:36 PM |
^ so true, there will be so many more that will not stop and keep running from the cops, i know i would, im not gonna lose 25gs just cause some cop is jealous and crushes my car
derps... you've made some intelligent comments, honestly that comment quoted above is a pretty ignorant comment coming from you. Cops arn't pulling people over and crushing cars because they are jealous... public safety, community, to serve and protect.
how would it look if a cop pulled over the guy doing 180 on the 401 and just said 'hey cool car, have a nice day' they are being paid to be the ***holes of the world. | |
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Posted: 7/24/2006 3:00:56 PM | | I can see someone racing and being caught taking off and trying to out run the cops so he can try and not lose his ride... he's going to lose his license anyways, so give it a shot lol. I've heard of a few guys around here that get away. I've done it a few times myself, not on the road tho. But on dirt bikes and snowmobiles. We get harassed even if we are OFF ROAD on private land. We all wear the safety gear and we don't go where we aren't allowed. I used to stop if a cop waved me over... then I figured all I get is harassed and tickets for something like a noise violation or because my bike didn't have a plate... hello, off road on private property... so I just found it easier to take off. My snowmobile is plated and insured, so I am legally allowed on the road, just not a 400 series highway or the QEW. I had an officer come to my door a few years ago because there were complaints about snowmobiles being reckless on the road. I knew where the sleds came from, so I told him what house it was. They got into a bit of trouble, but before he left I was told to not go down the road! I live 5 houses from the country, and why would I create problems for my neighbours that I know? So there are people that ruin it for all of us, even if we are legal. | |
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Posted: 7/25/2006 12:40:18 PM | That is a good point.
Street racing is already illegal and the price tag is high as it is. Making it higher may make some take a chance and try to out run the cops. Car chases almost always end up in a crash. | |
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Posted: 7/25/2006 3:24:32 PM | There is absolutely no argument in this thread that justifies some-one racing some-one else on a publicy owned road, period.
It doesnt matter if your dad did it in the fifties.
It doesnt matter how you word it.
People who modify cars for the sole purpose of beating the other ego maniac idiots need to have their driving privledges permantly revoked.
People who modify cars for the sole purpose of beating the other ego maniacs idiots and cause an accident which kills or hurts an innocent person not only should have their driving privledge revoked, but should do serious jail time.
The same applies for people who do not modify any-thing and race.
Try and twist it into what you want.
Its wrong, and it will be delt with. | |
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