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Joined: 2/23/2006
Msg: 101 | |
| legal street racing?
Posted: 7/25/2006 7:00:26 PM | | my comment above was just an example of what could happen, they are just empowering police even more now, like its not bad enough that they scope car shows and race tracks to see who they can give tickets too, but now they can take the car, its stupid, then they wonder why people hate cops so much. and before im labeled a cop hater, i am actually pursuing that career lol, but still i would never do the bogus tickets that i see being given out, its literally a form of theft, | |
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Posted: 7/25/2006 9:10:42 PM | Always smiling, I think you should change your name to always missing the point.
The topic is to find a solution to it and most of us are saying that if there was a place to go, the racers would go there instead of the street.
You just keep boosting your ego showing off your chest and let us try and find a solution to the street racing with out your opinion ok. | |
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Posted: 7/26/2006 2:32:23 PM |
People who modify cars for the sole purpose of beating the other ego maniac idiots need to have their driving privledges permantly revoked
That was the most rediculous thing I've read since I was born!
You must be a cop, it's the same attitude they have when they see a car that has rims, nice paint, and a muffler (which 9 times out of 10 LOWERS the cars power because of improper exhaust flow/backpressure stages). Just because the car looks and sounds fast doesn't mean it is. | |
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Posted: 7/26/2006 3:06:01 PM | I'd much rather take it to a controlled environment than the street. But not all of us that have done it on the street do it downtown toronto in afternoon rush hour.
I think it would be sweet to have a place to go where we can run a heads up race. There are a few vehicles in town here that I can't wait to take on next spring.
It's not "yeah, I have more money to spend on my vehicle" or "my vehicle has more power, I'm more of a man" its more or less "I built this, this is my creation and I want to see what its got" Plus, its a thrill... Some people need to go out and live life on the edge just a little bit once in a while, makes you alot happier and life isn't so boring!
I don't know how people sit and watch TV alllll the time, celebrity gossip is their hot thing to worry about in life. Get out in the world, do some stuff, teach yourself, challenge yourself, take a risk thats the only way to do anything.
Not that its fine to put other people at risk, I'm not up for that, I hate stupid people. I don't ride on the back of 4 wheelers or snowmobiles with most people for the fact that alot of guys have to show off, but some of us aren't like that. Sure, I'll pull my skis off the ground at 120 km an hour on my sled if its just me, but with a passenger I give one boring ride! | |
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Posted: 7/26/2006 3:25:25 PM | Always smiling, I think you should change your name to always missing the point.
The topic is to find a solution to it and most of us are saying that if there was a place to go, the racers would go there instead of the street.
You just keep boosting your ego showing off your chest and let us try and find a solution to the street racing with out your opinion ok.
I wasn't talking to the people in this thread who modify their cars for show purposes only.
I wasn't talking to the people in this thread who are looking for a viable alternative for racers to be able to race off the publicy owned highways.
I have no issues at all with either of those things.
As a matter of fact, if some-one could come up with a viable alternative to get these idiots off our roads I would support it 100%.
Unfortunately, the ones who "get a thrill out of the risk" will never agree to any of it and continue to be stupid causing grief to the ones who abide the law and are no threat. These are the ones that need to be weeded out and stopped.
The cops will simply target all of you in an effort to weed out the bad ones.
How is a cop supposed to know if your intent is just for a show or if you are a street racer?
Because you will tell him or her?
Are they to wait until an accident happens before they act?
Your beef is not with me or the general public who wants it stopped.
Your beef is not with the cops and politicians who are doing their jobs and enforcing the public's will.
Your beef is with the morons who do not abide by the law(s) and put the public at risk.
Its that simple.
If you are not pissed off at the racers for creating an environment where any-one with a modified car gets targeted by the cops now then you have issues that will not be resolved here.
Vent your anger where it should be vented, the root cause of the problem.
That was the most rediculous thing I've read since I was born!
You must be a cop, it's the same attitude they have when they see a car that has rims, nice paint, and a muffler (which 9 times out of 10 LOWERS the cars power because of improper exhaust flow/backpressure stages). Just because the car looks and sounds fast doesn't mean it is.
Maybe you need to read what I typed again.
I typed;
People who modify their cars for the SOLE PURPOSE of beating other ego maniacs...
That means, simply, people who modify their cars to race on public highways.
That does not mean people who modify them for show, a hobby, etc and are no threat to the general public.
Get it? | |
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Posted: 7/26/2006 4:50:33 PM | Maybe you need to read what I typed again.
I typed;
People who modify their cars for the SOLE PURPOSE of beating other ego maniacs...
That basicaly groups us all weather its the track or the street.
As a matter of fact, if some-one could come up with a viable alternative to get these idiots off our roads I would support it 100%.
We have and have always been told no by the politicians who are afraid to get involved, and by the police who only want to write tickets.
go back and read one of my other posts about the track in califonia that dropped street racing by 90%
Ya there is still 10% out there, but that is a great number because like anything else illegal, it will never compleatly stop. Reducing it is a good start dont you think?
The cops will simply target all of you in an effort to weed out the bad ones.
How is a cop supposed to know if your intent is just for a show or if you are a street racer?
So I guess we should have them arrest all black people because a few of them commit crimes and all arrab people because they mite have a bomb under thier shirt.
Your beef is not with the cops and politicians who are doing their jobs and enforcing the public's will.
Yes it is
Why do the cops target the guys who drive thier cars all the way to the track to race legaly just to pull them over infront of the enterance and give them a 380 dollar fine for having a so called illegal air filter?
Why?
Well I will tell you. It generates revenue. Thats all it is. Cops are tax colecters.
They tell us to go to the track and then they pull us over there and stick us with a bunch of bullsh*t fines.
If they really wanted it to stop, they would work with us instead of writing fines out front of the track and car shows. That just discourages us from going to the track and take our chances on the street.
It also tells us that they dont want it to stop. They want to keep bringing in the cash.
Believe it or not, there is a less chance of getting fined or charged for racing on the street then there is for driving all the way to the track to do it.
I will say this again....Street racing is already illegal, making the law tougher will not stop it. Writing fines to people with modified cars will not stop it. Its just an anoyance when 90% of the fines can be beat in court because they are bogas. But some times its cheaper for us to pay the fine then it is to take a day off work to fight it.
And drop your ego comments. Its not about ego, its about competition.
Building a better car to beat the other car is no different than building a better hockey team to beat the other team
The only differance is that there are more hockey rinks than there are race tracks. | |
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Joined: 2/23/2006
Msg: 108 | |
| legal street racing?
Posted: 7/26/2006 6:53:09 PM |
The cops will simply target all of you in an effort to weed out the bad ones.
How is a cop supposed to know if your intent is just for a show or if you are a street racer?
So I guess we should have them arrest all black people because a few of them commit crimes and all arrab people because they mite have a bomb under thier shirt.
what!? that is stupid, um ok so like drag says lets round everybody up place them all in camps and see if we can weed out all the bad people, then no crime , your justifying cops actions by saying its ok to prejudge and then sort it out aftward( guilty until innocent), thats ridiculous.
and as for cops just doing their jobs, ya right, they have discretion, its up to the individual cop to place a bogus ticket or not, he just has to make a quota, he could easily get the true illegal things on cars but cmon, not the right air pressure in the tire?? thats bullshit
theres no justifying it, they are prejudging and targeting, luckily i havent been yet, but im sure ill probably own the cops house by the time im done with him in court if he pases bogus tickets. | |
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Posted: 7/26/2006 8:25:33 PM | I was just watching the news...
I don't know how many times I've seen incidents of old people mistaking the gas for the brake! Some man just drove through the front of the store! Seen this WAY too often.. most close calls I've had are with old people, and my rollover was caused by an old man.
How about an age cap? or stricter testing for elderly drivers?
Sorry, just had to but in with that one.. | |
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Posted: 7/26/2006 9:01:45 PM | | After being T boned buy a group of teenagers doing about 140mph while I was driving down the highway,Im kinda biased on the issue,I guess they thought Stop signs didnt pertain to them! | |
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Posted: 7/26/2006 9:42:53 PM | If the government was being proactive instead of reactive they may actually find a good solution to the problem. But then, some person would move into a new house built beside the track and then lodge a noise complaint and they'd have to either spend millions putting up a sound fence or close the track. Having a fairly local place to safely take your grudge match would be great if it would happen.
How is a cop supposed to know if your intent is just for a show or if you are a street racer?
They have to catch me street racing to know I'm a street racer. That last time I checked we actually have freedom to do as we please in Canada as long as we're not breaking laws. I think being hassled by the police when I have not done anything wrong is complete bull and goes against everything I believe in.
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759
I read about a case in the USA where the police moved on a Sonic that was a popular car enthusiast hang-out where street racing negotiations were likely taking place and arrested everyone there - in the lot and in the restaurant, ie EVERYONE - and threw them in jail overnight. That's crossing the line so far that they can't even see the line anymore!
Are they to wait until an accident happens before they act?
Last time I checked the police either need to wait for an accident or catch us doing something illegal before ticketing or arresting us. Allowing the police to target people not breaking the law makes Canada a really shitty place to live
I agree with you (Always Smiling) that the people doing stupid things on the roads are the root cause of the crack downs. But, there are a lot more poor drivers out there causing problems just driving from point A to point B then there are "street racers" causing problems. | |
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Posted: 7/26/2006 10:18:28 PM |
After being T boned buy a group of teenagers doing about 140mph while I was driving down the highway,Im kinda biased on the issue,I guess they thought Stop signs didnt pertain to them!
First, what does one car running a stop sign have to do with racing. Thats just bad driving and we have had that debate already.
Second, most street racers are over the age of 25.
Third, I think you ment to say 140 kph not mph. If you were hit at 140 Mph I doubt you would be able to type and would most likley be dead. 140 mph is about 220 kph.
It sucks when you have had an accident and I`m sorry that happened to you but was it racing or just some teenagers running a stop sign? | |
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Posted: 7/28/2006 5:11:54 PM | OK... so I like to go to the Drag Strip... and I also like to ride bikes.. now all I can say,, if the pOOlice continue to harass people they are going to have bigger issues...... Typical fella that wants to show how much pride the person has in themself.::
Like a coat of arms.
Buys or builds a nice ride,
customizes it so that it looks like no on elses
gives it some performance mods.
IT IS HIS TOY
like lego for an 8 year old
like Shoes for some women
Would like to Race... to show or see what it can or cant do in comparison to others...
Now the really cool thing about Drag Strips
you get a time slip
no arguing who's faster
get more drag strips... get more people going fast off the street...
enforce more laws that have to do with people getting hurt.
ie speeding
too many people in a car with an inexperienced driver
wreckless driving
improper passing
failure to stop (yellows and reds and stop signs)
AND THE WORST ACCIDENT CAUSER OF THEM ALL
FOLLOWING TOO CLOSE
now.. I agree that the police need to ensure that the vehicles on the road are safe....
I had my licence plates removed from my modified S10 last summer due to the fact that the parking brake was inneffective... now I also asked the police man.."if we went to the station right now would I be accurate in estimating that 25% of the personal vehicles there would have inneffective parking brakes" He smiled and looked away.. I took the bite.. it cost me a tow... I had to repair it... I had to get it recertified,,, and then I had to purchase new licence plates.. as I could not get mine back,,,, oh.,., and paid the fine..
You see.. if they are going to do safety enforcement on vehicles.. they should do it on ALL vehicles... not just the ones that have rims and mufflers...
What will happen if they continue the way that they do
Sport Bike Sales will increase.
tremendously
you see
a new Yamaha R1 sells for $14 000.00 plus tax.. it will do the 1/4 mile in between 10 and 11 seconds all day long...
a modified car that will do the 1/4 mile in 10 seconds will start at approx. $30 000.00
if a police officer wants to harrass a sport bike
it would have to stop it first
lets review.
Costs Less
Goes Faster
Harder to Catch
If cant be caught cant enforce any laws... no matter what laws they come out with
DID YOU KNOW??
To race a sportbike on a street
you do not need a licence
you do not need insurance
you do not need a licence plate
you do not need DOT TIRES
you can run a K&N AirFilter
you can use an extremely loud muffler
you see it may seem like not much of a problem now.. but lets say right now there are
100 000 modified cars in the GTA
turn that into 40 000 sport bikes,,
who is kidding who thats a problem
educate and demonstrate
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Posted: 7/28/2006 5:36:19 PM |
if a police officer wants to harrass a sport bike
it would have to stop it first
lets review.
Costs Less
Goes Faster
Harder to Catch
If cant be caught cant enforce any laws... no matter what laws they come out with
DID YOU KNOW??
To race a sportbike on a street
you do not need a licence
you do not need insurance
you do not need a licence plate
you do not need DOT TIRES
you can run a K&N AirFilter
you can use an extremely loud muffler
What are you smoking bud? The same HTA applies to motorcycles as it does cars. More likely to get pulled over while riding a bike for an insurance check than a car, any time. Want to run from the cops? Brilliant! As they say, can't out run a radio. That's the kind of mentality that gives everyone riding a bike a bad image. | |
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Posted: 7/28/2006 5:44:23 PM |
What are you smoking bud? The same HTA applies to motorcycles as it does cars. More likely to get pulled over while riding a bike for an insurance check than a car, any time. Want to run from the cops? Brilliant! As they say, can't out run a radio. That's the kind of mentality that gives everyone riding a bike a bad image.
Then please explain why HARLEYS have such stupidly loud exhausts, but when you put a muffler on your car, you become a target, when it's not even close to the same decible level as a harley. | |
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Posted: 7/28/2006 6:25:37 PM | As with most offences, it's up to the cop's discretion whether to lay charges or not. Stupid loud Harley's are just as illegal as stupid loud cars, but even quiet bikes have been targeted by police for 'document stops,' for ever. Why? Because it used to be easy pickings for them. Lots of people used to think they could get away with riding with no plate or insurance. The rest of us had to put up with constantly being pulled over. I think it's a little better now, I haven't been pulled over as much lately.
I'm sure 30 years ago, guys with stupid loud muscle cars were targeted as well. Want to make yourself stand out in a crowd, well then you'll have to put up with the consequences.
The point I was making above, is that is it ridiculous to claim that motorcycles are somehow not regulated, or that licence, insurance or equipment laws don't apply. Running from the police, well, that's just a moronic thing to suggest. | |
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Posted: 7/28/2006 11:28:40 PM | I think what he was getting at was that its easy to out run a cop on a sport bike not that you dont need documents but if you wanted to run from the cops you stand a better chance getting away than if you were in a car. As long as you dont kill yourself that is.
Now yesterday I was heading out to milton to see some friends. Driving down highway 5 doing about 90 I was passed by a caddilac doing about 140. Not a street racer but just some 40 somthing guy in a hurry to get home from work. Almost hit my truck when he passed me.
Turning on to 25 I was almost hit head on by some jack ass in a minivan that was in too much of a hurry to wait in traffic that he had to drive in the on coming lane to get around any one. After swerving to avoid him, I had to swerve again to avoid a toyota camery who was doing the same thing. I was amazed at how stupid some people are and had to double check to make sure I was in the right lane. Yep I was.
Now where are the cops when your average everyday driver is doing stupid dangerous crap like that?
I`ll tell you where, he was running a read light in milton with no lights or sirens on and right in front of my truck. I almost hit him
Now thats 4 times I was almost in an accident in about 20 minutes. Three times from just normal non street racing types and one cop.
Thats the kind of thing that the cops need to crack down on, not modified cars. | |
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Posted: 7/29/2006 6:37:40 AM | That basicaly groups us all weather its the track or the street.
No it doesn't.
Sole purpose means one purpose, not two or more.
If you modify your car and it is not for racing, then you are not some-one I was refering to. If you modify your car to enhance performance to race on a public road, then you are who I was refering to.
Its not rocket science.
And ego has every-thing to do with it. Its because of our egos we are competitive.
It does not matter if we are talking about racing or ice hockey.
You want to win because your ego drives your competitive nature.
Ill state it again one last time;
There is absolutely no excuse or arguement presented in this thread or any-where that justifys racing on our streets and putting innocent people at risk because you want to see who has the biggest penis.
Twisting the words around and trying to hit it from different angles does not change that fact. Pointing out the flaws of other drivers and how dumb some-one without a modified vehicle can be, does not change that fact. None of it has any relevence.
Racing on public roads is stupid and needs to be addressed. If the racers continue to hurt and kill innocent civilians, the next thing that will happen is modifying a car for any reason will be outlawed. This would be a shame because now responsible car owners who like to attend shows and or collect will be also penalized. On the other hand it would make the cops jobs allot easier as they would not have to try and figure out who is a racer and who is not a racer. If its modified, its illegal, and thats it.
Don't think thats possible?
Ask a pitbull owner in Ontario what happens when the public gets pissed off enough.
Legitamate owners who modify to attend shows / collect / etc need to be pissed at the racers, not the public who has had enough.
The average person who does not race or care to modify a car for any reason, who is in the majority, will bend the cops and politicians to do their will if the matter becomes serious enough.
Don't like that? to bad, we live in a democracy and that is how it works. | |
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Posted: 7/29/2006 2:39:41 PM | Always smillling.....
I still think you are missing the point of this whole thread.
This thread was started to try to get some suport to organize some LEGAL street racing at a LEGAL track. not to convince everyone to let us race on the street.
You your self said that you would fully support it, but you seem to just want to insult them and have them all shot instead of suporting a real solution.
Yes we got off topic trying to show the average non car enthusiast the difference between street racing and all the accidents that have been blamed on street racers that were just single car wrecks with non modified cars. What you see on the news is not what we see on the street.
That pisses off the street racers more than the public because the kids in mom and dads honda give any hot rodder a bad name.
We also tried to point out that alot of the racers who do go to the drag strip to race legaly are discouraged from going back because of the police, and ministry of enviroment, seting up check stops and fining people for so called illegal modifications that are D.O.T. aproved and can get tossed out of court no matter what law the ontario or canadian gov says.
But like I said before its cheaper some times to just pay the fine then to take the day off work to fight it. The cops know this and is why they do it. Tax colectors.
They should be out on the streets enforcing the trafic laws that are in the book instead of at the track enforcing thier made up laws to the legit racers.
The police and government that are enforcing the "publics will" as you say are going about this in the wrong way just like they do everything else.
I think you have too much faith in the government.
This does nothing to curb street racing and only discourages new comers from ever going back to the track and take their chances on the street.
I guess I have to say it again. STREET RACING IS ALREADY ILLEGAL AND MAKING IT MORE ILLEGAL WILL NOT DO ANYTHING TO STOP IT. GIVING THE STREET RACERS A PLACE TO GO WILL AT THE VERY LEAST REDUCE IT BY A HUGE NUMBER.
They dont want a multi milion dollar track. Just a big enough piece of asphalt or concrete to do it. They do not need high tech timing equipment or anything else. I myself would voluntere all my spare time to run it and not ask for any financial support to myself.
Any one cought street racing or just being stupid after that can have the book thrown at them.
You think they can ban modified cars? No they cant. They have thought about it but were reminded of the million dollar industry that is here in canada that manufacture these parts and the loss of jobs that would occur.
Car enthusiests are very good at grouping together to have thier voices heard in government too when thier hobby is in danger. We have done it before and will do it again. The internet can be a wonderful thing somtimes.
Pit bulls were not a million dollar industry in this country.
And why are you so hung up on penis size?? | |
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Posted: 7/31/2006 8:55:57 PM | LOL
They just dont get it... When racing anything on the track there is no need for "doc stops"
The point was
Everyone that is into showing/ playing with mechanical things that like to go fast/../
Will always find a way to do it
Soooooooo
If we do not want to promote a safe environment (for everyone(All of society))
Then expect to see other forms of unsafe ways of people going fast.
Endangering peoples lives
The methode that they are using now is not working
its called ERASE
Eliminating
Racing
And
Safety
Enforcement
and again...
if they want to check vehicles for safety
they need to check all vehicles
Innocent til proven guilty is the canadian way
A loud exhaust
Bright Rims
Do not constitute an unsafe vehicle
or a reckless driver...
Point made | |
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Posted: 8/1/2006 11:41:07 AM | Is there any real racers that come on here. If you have a rice burner and drag or race on pavement, you do not Qualify. I am talking about real racers that race on dirt, that is where the real talent is. You guys with your imports are a joke, you just sit there cleaning your ride, you dont have any skills in racing at all. I have been racing since I was 4 years old. Get a real race car and go too the dirt tracks, learn something before you speak. Gear heads, lol You are a joke. Stay off the roads, you street racers do not know what you are doing. You just risk other peopls lives wirth your stupid games. The only people who you might be fooling are those air head import girls that you hang out with. Long story short, get a real race car, get a real woman and most importantly, (GET A LIFE) US REAL RACERS ARE SICK OF YOU LITTLE WANNA BE BOYS  | |
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Posted: 8/1/2006 11:45:41 AM | | NO THEY DONT GO TO THE RACE TRACKS BECAUSE, THEY ARE AFFRAID , THEY HAVE NO TALENT TO RACE WITH REAL RACERS. THEESE STREET RACING HOMOS JUST RISK PEOPLES LIFES BY DOING WHAT THEY DO. THEY DONT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING, SO WHY DO IT. RACE ON DIRT LIKE YOUR SUPPOSED TOO | |
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Posted: 8/1/2006 8:50:25 PM | I don't street or track race. Maybe because I'm allergic to people like this ^^^^
Seems stupid to say that gear heads are joke when you dirt race and are an ovious gear head yourself.
The only part he got right was the part about not racing on the road.
PS. this big talk about not being a racer if you don't race on dirt ovals and straight line racers aren't real racers comes from a guy with a picture of his car with what looks an alful lot like drag slicks on it. | |
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| legal street racing?(STREET RACING IS FOR WANNA BE LOSERS)
Posted: 8/2/2006 8:01:30 PM | | im with you yellow, wtf is with those two repsonses, ahahaha only real racers drive on dirt ahahaha what a joke, another prime example of someone with their head up their ass and doesnt see the real picture | |
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Posted: 8/2/2006 8:48:38 PM | too bad yellow doesn't realize what he's talking about, can't tell the differance between a dirt late modified, a sprint car (both obviously have dirt tires) and someones asphault drag car...
True, its not fair to say since you dont' race on dirt you have no driving skill, but those guys that race on dirt have some awesome vehicle control, its harder than it looks to hit that car at the perfect angle into the corner, read the track on where the slick spots are, or where you will get a bit of grip, throttle control... I haven't ran dirt in cars but I raced motocross and some snowmobiles so I do understand where he's coming from. there are alot of people on the road that should not have ever gotten there license.
Honestly, there should be some type of a course required with a test at the end before you get your G to drive on the road. I don't mean driver training, I mean with the cars in weird angles, bad situations, etc...
Not saying I'm the best, but I've learned alot by having the chance to go out and learn how things behave. It seems to me alot of people hit the brakes when they get into trouble when it might not be the thing to do. I've avoided some serious accidents by hitting the gas and steering through the problem.
Plus, there are alot of people that just don't understand defensive driving... I drive big trucks for work so you just get used to it, reading how things are going to happen before I get there. Also... would people please give us big trucks some ROOM and don't but in when we are following someone else at a safe distance, its a buffer zone so we dont' kill someone, its not a place for you to slide in! and stay out of blind spots (including right behind the rigs) as I need to know where every vehicle around me is, if you are right on my ass, I have no idea you are there, make sure you can see the drivers face in his mirror, then you know he can see you! | |
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