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| legal street racing?(STREET RACING IS FOR WANNA BE LOSERS)
Posted: 8/3/2006 5:38:52 PM | Apparently you don't get it....
The poster basically said the only real racers are the ones that race on dirt. Yet, the profile has a picture of an
asphault drag car... as you said yourself.
Why go on about the straight line racers not being real racers when you do it yourself? Seemed stupid to me. | |
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| legal street racing?(STREET RACING IS FOR WANNA BE LOSERS)
Posted: 8/3/2006 5:54:37 PM | Well lets just say the guy is a tool with some real problems.
Racing is racing weather its dirt or asphalt and I`m pretty sure he dont race that old buick on dirt.
I`m willing to bet Mr. "I`ve been racing since I was 4 years old" would get scared driving my car in a straight line on pavement.
A real racer respects all forms of motorsports, not just the one he or she is involved in.
And not all drag racers drive imports lordick. I got a buick and the last time I checked its still a domestic brand.
Go play in the mud untill you have something inteligent to say. | |
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| legal street racing?(STREET RACING IS FOR WANNA BE LOSERS)
Posted: 8/3/2006 7:20:53 PM | don't you people know about Mosport?! They've got a track that you can take your vehicles on. Not only that, this year from what i understand there is a racing "league" formed where you can use your street vehicle in competitions. if you know motorsports here in Canada you SHOULD know about ASN
http://www.asncanada.com/ check it out you'll see | |
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| why don't the MTO put up some signs???
Posted: 8/3/2006 9:48:19 PM | Here's the basic fact, people: The MTO exists for one reason, and one reason only, TO MAKE MONEY FROM MOTOR VEHICLES. Safety means nothing to them, never has, never will. All the hype about safety is nothing but a political smokescreen to justify the tickets.
The MOE is the same, and they're not the only ones. Ticket blitzes outside racetracks are nothing new. I can remember the MTO showing up at South Buxton Raceway, near Chatham, everyone's leaving because it's pouring rain. We're talking about dirt track stock cars leaving on trailers. I personally was issued a $375 ticket for an insecure load because a large clump of mud fell off my car while the MTO inspector was looking for something to fine me for.
It didn't even hit the road, it fell on the trailer. He wanted to fine me for not having a muffler or windshield wipers on a dirt modified. WIPERS??? Modifieds don't even have windshields, they use steel mesh.
Want to know why some people prefer to street race? Going to a race track virtually guarantees problems about your insurance, and you may as well carry a huge neon sign that says "ATTENTION POLICE, I HAVE LOTS OF MONEY TO PAY FINES, COME HASSLE ME"
So, it's simple. Go to the track, get your insurance cancelled and come home with a big fine.
It's easy to get you too, there's only one way in or out.
Race on the street, first they have to find you, there are more roads to get away, and they can't chase everyone.
The more the government continues their campaign of law enforcement for profit, the more contempt people have for the law in general.
Incidentally, as far as bracket racing goes, not many people are interested, and for a good reason. The handicapping system means I could win driving my dump truck. With a 435 hp diesel and an 18 spd. trans, I can run consistant 41 second quarter mile passes all day long.
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| why don't the MTO put up some signs???
Posted: 8/4/2006 9:20:27 AM | Here's the basic fact, people: The MTO exists for one reason, and one reason only, TO MAKE MONEY FROM MOTOR VEHICLES. Safety means nothing to them, never has, never will. All the hype about safety is nothing but a political smokescreen to justify the tickets.
Sorry, but I think that's a load of...
Yes, I think we are over governed, but MOT does play a roll in keeping vehicles safe. In the past, I've worked as a licensed mechanic and see the crap some people drive. A lot have no problem driving down the road with no brakes, improper equipment or plain old junk that should be in the wrecking yard. I don't want to meet these vehicles on the highway.
If you are driving on the road with a vehicle that doesn't meet the standards, then fix it. If the police and MOT sit outside a dragstrip and find lots of unfit vehicles, guess what? They're going to keep coming back because it's easy for them to do their job.
We're talking about dirt track stock cars leaving on trailers. I personally was issued a $375 ticket for an insecure load because a large clump of mud fell off my car while the MTO inspector was looking for something to fine me for.
It didn't even hit the road, it fell on the trailer. He wanted to fine me for not having a muffler or windshield wipers on a dirt modified. WIPERS??? Modifieds don't even have windshields, they use steel mesh.
Want to know why some people prefer to street race? Going to a race track virtually guarantees problems about your insurance, and you may as well carry a huge neon sign that says "ATTENTION POLICE, I HAVE LOTS OF MONEY TO PAY FINES, COME HASSLE ME"
None of this makes any sense. Unless the 'race car' has plates on it, they can't do a thing. If your 'race car' does have plates on it, it is required to meet MOT standards. If you're driving your race car on the street, guess you're easy pickings for inspection.
If you don't like the standards, vote in a government that does things differently. But, if you don't want to abide by the laws of the land, then suck it up when you get caught. Don't cry that it's a big conspiracy and just a money grab.
So, it's simple. Go to the track, get your insurance cancelled and come home with a big fine.
Have you read your insurance policy? If it states racing and or modified vehicles are not covered, then guess what? They're not covered. They will cancel your policy if they find out. It's not rocket science. May not seem fair, but if it's stipulated in your policy, then abide by it and you'll have no problem. When I changed insurance companies, they required an inspection and declaration that my vehicle had no modifications.
Occasionally, I do things on my motorcycles that I shouldn't. But if I get caught, I know the consequences. When I was younger, I probably did some things in cars too, but it all comes down to..... If you can't afford to play, stay at home.
If you think this is good reason to go street racing, then go ahead. But again, don't look for sympathy when you get caught, or worse wreck, and take out innocent bystanders. | |
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| why don't the MTO put up some signs???
Posted: 8/4/2006 2:06:35 PM | Yes, I think we are over governed, but MOT does play a roll in keeping vehicles safe. In the past, I've worked as a licensed mechanic and see the crap some people drive. A lot have no problem driving down the road with no brakes, improper equipment or plain old junk that should be in the wrecking yard. I don't want to meet these vehicles on the highway
That is mostley every day cars that the non car enthusiast drive that are usually unsafe.
Most car enthusiasts keep their cars in top shape.
I have a friend that works for the MOT and I check with him for whats legal and whats not. Its the cops and the MOE that usually write the bogus tickets.
None of this makes any sense. Unless the 'race car' has plates on it, they can't do a thing. If your 'race car' does have plates on it, it is required to meet MOT standards. If you're driving your race car on the street, guess you're easy pickings for inspection.
No it doesnt make sense but that is exactly what is happening.
They have checked cars on trailors with and with out plates and even if it does have plates, if it is on a trailor, they have no business checking it. But they do anyway. Its mostly the MOE doing this.
Alot of drag race classes in the fast street car shoot outs require the car to be plated to keep all the race only cars out of the class.
There was a guy with his dads 37 chevy who was fined 380 dollars for not having a pcv valve out side the gates at cayuga a couple of years ago. Last time I checked, they didnt have them in 1937 so why check? The real stupid part is that the guys dad put one on the car and the MOE idiot was looking at the wrong side.
You dont have to be a licenced mechanic to be an inspector for the MOE.
Have you read your insurance policy? If it states racing and or modified vehicles are not covered, then guess what? They're not covered. They will cancel your policy if they find out. It's not rocket science. May not seem fair, but if it's stipulated in your policy, then abide by it and you'll have no problem. When I changed insurance companies, they required an inspection and declaration that my vehicle had no modifications.
Most state that you are not covered if you are racing at the time of a wreck. I think if the insurance companies want to stop street racing as much as the government does, they could cut us some slack in that department and not cancel the policy of a guy that takes his car to the track.
Alot of insurance companies will insure a modified car. You just got to find them. | |
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| why don't the MTO put up some signs???
Posted: 8/4/2006 3:15:51 PM |
even if it does have plates, if it is on a trailor, they have no business checking it. But they do anyway. Its mostly the MOE doing this.
Alot of drag race classes in the fast street car shoot outs require the car to be plated to keep all the race only cars out of the class.
This was my point. Whether or not it is on a trailer, if the vehicle is licensed and has plates on it, like it or not, they have every right to inspect it. MOT, MOE or police. If the vehicle doesn't meet the requirements, it shouldn't have plates. | |
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| why don't the MTO put up some signs???
Posted: 8/4/2006 4:36:24 PM | If it is on a trailer plated or not, it is now cargo not a vehical. They have no right to inspect it for saftey or polution control.
They can check if it is secured safley and if the trailer and tow vehical are safe, and I have no problem with that, but anything making the car road legal does not aply.
A car on a trailer is not poluting and is not unsafe as long as its secured right so they have no right to check for those things.
I know alot of racers at the track whao have not driven their cars on the street in more then ten years but still keep a plate on them.
Even if they did have the right to inspect it, doing that to a guy who choses to race at a legal race track is wrong and discourages some from ever going back. But like you said its easy pickings but its more for colecting money then it is for keeping the roads safe. | |
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| why don't the MTO put up some signs???
Posted: 8/4/2006 4:55:26 PM | | This topic could go on and on for page after page.Lots of people have brought up good points, But Unless you can get the media relaying all this good info to the public.. it doesn't nothing to help stop the problem or show the differnece between a "street racer" and an "idiot,carless driver/s" | |
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| why don't the MTO put up some signs???
Posted: 8/4/2006 7:36:45 PM | If it is on a trailer plated or not, it is now cargo not a vehical. They have no right to inspect it for saftey or polution control.
They can check if it is secured safley and if the trailer and tow vehical are safe, and I have no problem with that, but anything making the car road legal does not aply.
A car on a trailer is not poluting and is not unsafe as long as its secured right so they have no right to check for those things.
I'm sorry, but that is just not true. By putting valid plates on a vehicle, that vehicle must meet the regulations, whether it is being driven or not. It's pretty simple. If you don't want to be harassed, take the plates off the race car.
There are any number of sections of the Ontario HTA which support the inspection of vehicles.
Improper number plate
14. (1) Where a police officer or an officer appointed under this Act has reason to believe that,
(a) a number plate attached to a motor vehicle or trailer,
(i) has not been authorized under this Act for use on that vehicle,
(ii) was obtained by false pretences, or
(iii) has been defaced or altered;
(b) evidence of validation of a permit displayed on a motor vehicle,
(i) was not furnished under this Act in respect of that motor vehicle,
(ii) was obtained by false pretences, or
(iii) has been defaced or altered; or
(c) a permit carried by a driver of a motor vehicle,
(i) was not authorized under this Act in respect of that motor vehicle,
(ii) was obtained by false pretences, or
(iii) has been defaced or altered,
the officer may take possession of the number plate, evidence of validation or permit and retain it until the facts have been determined. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 14 (1).
Examination of vehicle
Every police officer and every officer appointed for the purpose of carrying out the provisions of this Act may require the owner of a motor vehicle, motor assisted bicycle or vehicle drawn by a motor vehicle and the operator of a commercial motor vehicle to submit the vehicle, together with its equipment and, in the case of a commercial motor vehicle, any vehicle drawn by it, to the examinations and tests that the police officer or officer may consider expedient. 1999, c. 12, Sched. R, s. 14.
Requirement to bring vehicle into compliance
(4) Where any vehicle examined or tested under subsection (2) or (3), or any of its equipment, is found not to be in compliance with the requirements of this Act or the regulations, the police officer or officer making the examinations or tests may require the owner or operator of the vehicle to have the vehicle or its equipment repaired and to,
(a) submit the vehicle for further examinations and tests to satisfy a police officer or officer appointed for the purpose of carrying out the provisions of this Act that the vehicle and its equipment comply with the requirements of this Act and the regulations; or
(b) submit evidence to the person or office specified by the police officer or officer that the vehicle and its equipment comply with the requirements of this Act and the regulations. 1999, c. 12, Sched. R, s. 14.
Don't get me wrong, I don't blindly support the actions of police and other inspectors. I think they do take it too far at times, but I do recognize that the law is written in black and white. It is up to their discretion how to apply it. Spreading inaccurate information on what they can, can't or shouldn't do won't help.
More to the point of the thread, none of this will get the street racers into a safe venue. | |
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| why don't the MTO put up some signs???
Posted: 8/4/2006 11:10:15 PM | The whole point I'm trying to make is that when the government passes laws that are generally seen to be enabling police and other government inspectors to harass people for the sole purpose of generating revenue, or when they pass unenforceable, politically motivated laws, eg. pitbull ban, street racing bans, etc, all it accomplishes is to create more contempt for the law in general, and for the people who enforce it.
Write someone a big, unjustified ticket, you've just guaranteed there's one more person with a total lack of respect for the law.
If the MTO is serious about safety, why do they hand drivers licences to people who aren't qualified to use a skateboard, let alone a car? Why is it still legal to use a cell phone in a moving car? It isn't in a lot of other jurisdictions, New York State, for example.
Motor vehicle safety is not even a part of the MOE's mandate. A K&N air filter is actually a FINER filter than what comes as standard equipment on new cars. This is called an upgrade, and they are a legal part, better than stock. If a K&N equipped car is plated, it has to pass the same emissions test as a stock vehicle, so it still meets standards. This is just an excuse to write tickets, and it is done, in the knowlege that most people will just pay the fines.
Yes, the HTA states that a police officer is entitled to inspect any vehicle, but the fact that they are empowered to inspect vehicles does not make them qualified to do so. A police officer is not a qualified mechanic, he has completed no apprenticeship, has little to no experience servicing cars, and may only have the vaguest idea of how an automobile actually works, but he is empowered to say "I think there's something wrong with this car." Based on what evidence? Black paint? Chromed rims? Dual exhaust? When someone who is not qualified to determine the mechanical fitness of a vehicle is given the power to do so, and the power to issue fines and / or impound vehicles, THAT IS HARASSMENT, pure and simple. | |
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| why don't the MTO put up some signs???
Posted: 8/4/2006 11:16:29 PM | That dosnt say that a vehical in tow is included in that law unless I am missing somthing.
If I am, then by that definition, any vehical being towed by a tow truck would fall under that too. A car in tow could be in tow to have the repairs made that it need to pass a saftey and there are alot of street legal parts some modified cars have that the cops write fines for too.
Most of us check to see if the parts are legal before we buy them. Dont forget, most of these guys are not mechanics and realy dont know what they are looking at.
I dont think any ticket given to a trailered car would hold up in court though. But like I said before, sometimes its cheaper to pay the fine then it is to take a day off work to fight it and the cops know this.
Like you said though and I and others have maney times in this thread, none of it will get street racers to the track and it will keep alot away.
And to any new posters in this thread that are saying take it to the strip, street racers are idiots and should be shot etc, please read the title of the thread. It is LEGAL street racing as in a legal place to do it not legalize street racing as in let us race on public roads ok. | |
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Posted: 8/5/2006 12:14:51 PM | Again. on the last long weekend there was a caravan (group of cars (7 2 be exact)) of cars travelling together.. they were driving up HWY # 6 between Fergus and Guelph... in this section of hwy there is a passing lane zone (2 lanes in one direction one lane in the opposite) this caravan of vehicles passed a car that was doing 80kmph . The whole caravan of vehicles was doing 90kph (yes speeding) two of the vehicles were honda civics with rims and tires and exhaust.. one was a vw jetta 4door diesel with rims three of them were S.U.V.'s that were stock, and lastely was a vw golf with rims tires and exhaust. The OPP had a roadside laser speed enforcement (trap) set up.. they walked out onto hwy # 6 and forced the stop of the last vehicle (vw golf). When stopped they asked for drivers licence ownership and proof of insurance. Which was provided. Then they asked him if he knew the reason that he was stopped. He said: "yes, I was speeding" At which point the offocer informed him that "no we stopped you because you were involved in street racing" He blinked and "pardon" the officer then proceeded to tell him that he had watched him race that other car.. (remeber the one that was passed by everyone.. doing 80kph) and with this done up car being used on the road for racing. WE (the OPP) have the right to inspect the vehicle for illegal equipment. At this point they made him and his gf get out of the car. And then took out all of there clothing and camping equipment from being away for the weekend. When the were satisfied that they could not find a N.O.S. bottle (or any other contraband) they told him "not to race anymore" and let him go. They did not even charge him for doing the 90kph in a 80kph zone. He filed a harrassment and won.
kph kilometre per hour
MOT = Who knows
MTO Ministry of Transportation of Ontario
So lets try and get the police working in co-operation (together) with the community to make this a better society for everyone...
If the O.P.P. want to be a friend and ally as opposed to a threat and enemy they need to do a better job at educating and enforcing the laws that are here with everyone and a lil less time "Feeling big about themselves" for "cracking down on those notorious kids with "pride, the ability to work hard,, set goals and achieve them, Take care of something.
The police and the MOE cannot search a vehicle that is not being driven or that does not have the intent of being driven on the street. MOE cannot fine someone for a car that has street plates and is being driven on private property.. if it is being driven onto a road way or even if it is being unloaded at a public property with the intent of being driven onto a roadway that is different.. but so long as it is on a trailer it is cargo...!!
just the same as a vehicle on a trailer is covered under the insurance of the tow vehicle (providing there has been a trailer rider put on the policy) by most insurance companies.
There was problems with kids riding dirtbikes through local conservation areas locally in the past... that is 90% corrected through community involvement in getting local dirtbike tracks set up...
If people want to have fun with motorsports.. find a way to make it legal (tracks) dont just tell them that they cannot do it | |
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Posted: 8/5/2006 3:27:53 PM | Interesting storey and the sad part is that is not the first time I`ve heard that situation.
If the cop watched him race the other car, Why was the other car not pulled over as well?
The cop was probably trying to bait him into admiting to racing. Then he could have charged him.
Good for him for filing harrassment.
M.O.T. = Ministry of transportation as in Canada wide. | |
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Posted: 8/5/2006 5:33:21 PM | I have too agree that racing is racing and it does not matter what surface it is run on .
And I drive a chevy sunfire which I may race if your willing to loose to a sunfire !hahha!
Speaking of these street racing fools I raced one today whom thought his 390 ford pickup could whip my butt on the highway !HAHHA Blew him away three times ! I bet he'll think next time !Haha
And yeah we used safety first today and made sure no one was gonna be in danger of injury.
Which alot of street racers do not do !!
Yep there is a nice race track for street machines open if anyone wishes to go test their skills on a track with their Baby ! Please don't bother trying to challenge me as I am a pro driver whom has raced super mods and allso super hydrofoil boats . And I have nothing to prove & sure my sunfire may be a little wicked if I so wish to run it ! I could deffinately run it if I wished But shes my baby and I am not looking or offering to race !
As for the cops being a pain well if you are dumb enough to admit to racing someone well you pay the fine and do the time !hahha  | |
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Posted: 8/6/2006 6:19:47 AM |
The whole caravan of vehicles was doing 90kph (yes speeding) two of the vehicles were honda civics with rims and tires and exhaust.. one was a vw jetta 4door diesel with rims three of them were S.U.V.'s that were stock, and lastely was a vw golf with rims tires and exhaust.
I bet that Golf was perty quick.
WE (the OPP) have the right to inspect the vehicle for illegal equipment. At this point they made him and his gf get out of the car. And then took out all of there clothing and camping equipment from being away for the weekend.
My friend had his car searched once because we were skateboarding at night time in Barrie. Apparently the cops figured they were gonna do a drug bust. After looking through the entire car and looking through everyone's bags, they found nothing. Well besides my dirty clothes :-P. Before the search happened I asked if they had a warrant. The cops looked at me like I was crazy. Anyways, the result of this is a new found hatred for officer D.ick. I don't even speak to police anymore. If I get pulled over I keep my window closed and put my license, ownership and insurance papers against the window for him to see. Works pretty good.
Also, a good tip for speeding tickets is to take them to court. Often, police officers do not file their paperwork. If your ticket is not filed, you will get a letter in the mail saying that the ticket has been dismissed due to lack of evidence or some shit. Saved me 323 bucks and some demerit points. | |
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Posted: 8/6/2006 6:22:51 AM |
And I have nothing to prove & sure my sunfire may be a little wicked if I so wish to run it !
My god do I ever dislike sunflowers. Let me guess it's red with stickers on the side? | |
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Posted: 8/6/2006 7:40:21 AM |
Nope not a sticker on my sunfire !
But it is a specal edition with a lot more horse power and specal tranny then the average GT.
Its an ex pace car from Daytona if your wondering ! | |
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Posted: 8/6/2006 7:42:31 AM | And I drive a chevy sunfire which I may race if your willing to loose to a sunfire !hahha!
Last I checked, sunflowers are made by pontiac not chevrolet and they are not very quick.
Yep there is a nice race track for street machines open if anyone wishes to go test their skills on a track with their Baby
Are you talking about that oval track again? Most street racers are into straight line drag racing but thanks for your input.
Please don't bother trying to challenge me as I am a pro driver whom has raced super mods and allso super hydrofoil boats . And I have nothing to prove & sure my sunfire may be a little wicked if I so wish to run it ! I could deffinately run it if I wished But shes my baby and I am not looking or offering to race !
And I drive a chevy sunfire which I may race if your willing to loose to a sunfire !hahha!
Never put out a challenge that you are not willing to back up. In racing its called put up or shut up. Dont be telling people how fast you are and think its going to keep people from not wanting to race you. I mean you are driving a sunfire. My every day driven pick up would run circles around you. Not dissing your driving skills cause I dont know you, but sunfires are not fast cars unless you want to invest thousands of dollars into them.
As for the cops being a pain well if you are dumb enough to admit to racing someone well you pay the fine and do the time !hahha
Kind of like you just did in this post?
Speaking of these street racing fools I raced one today whom thought his 390 ford pickup could whip my butt on the highway !HAHHA Blew him away three times ! I bet he'll think next time !Haha | |
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Posted: 8/6/2006 8:55:34 AM | Well I can say GM Owns both chevrolette and Pontiac .
And maybe for you so called wanta be racers I should have said a GM !
What you think your crappy pick up truck is fast ! Hell there isn't any truck fast made !
And Not on your life as be a waste of my time let alone the gas !
Maybe you didnt read My Sunfire is not the average sunfire or GT .
Its an ex PACE CAR FROM DAYTONA .
Or maybe you don't know what a pace car is !! | |
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Posted: 8/6/2006 9:59:13 AM |
What you think your crappy pick up truck is fast ! Hell there isn't any truck fast made !
Wrong.
I believe it was chevy, maybe ford, that made the lightning which did the quarter in 11 seconds or something like that. How about the turbo diesels. With minor mods they haul as$. There are alot of fast trucks.
Its an ex PACE CAR FROM DAYTONA
What year is it? | |
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Posted: 8/6/2006 11:25:18 AM | Haha fimbear, your back to your old self again eh?
My point on the pontiac coment was that if you own it, you should know who built it.
My crappy pick up truck was the second fastest truck built in 02 right behind the ford lightning and is was the fastest naturaly asperated truck built that year. (do you know what that means?)
I looked up the pace car sunflower on google and found that it was only an appearance package with wheels and ground effects and no faster than a sunflower GT or Cav z24.
Guess what Fimbear, I`ve raced them both at the track and beat them with my truck. But that doesnt matter much because my truck is my daily driver not my race car.
So I can beat you with both.
My car has the same engine as the 89 indy 500 pace car witch was the first car to pace the 500 with out any modifications to the engine.
Your car never paced anything and and was used by the officials at the race track for them to get around. Not to pace the race. To top it all off, its wrong wheel drive.
Just because you beat a ford 390 doesnt mean your car is fast. I had a 390 ford pick up and it was pretty slow. Couldnt pull the hat off your head, but then again when was the last one built? Back in 76 or so? Back when pick ups didnt race.
Put up or shut up fimbear. I`ll take you on. (at the track of course) Only wanna be racers out there are the ones who tell you how fast they are but chicken out when some one calls them on it like you.
No fast trucks made eh.
Look up these ones on the net and educate your self before you beak off on something you know nothing about
Ford Lightning
Dodge ram SRT10
Dodge Dakota R/T 5.9
Chevrolet Silverado SS
Chevrolet 454 SS
And the one and only GMC Cyclone just to name a few. My crappy pick up is in that list.
Your sun flower could never touch any of those. | |
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Posted: 8/6/2006 11:51:59 AM |
My car has the same engine as the 89 indy 500 pace car witch was the first car to pace the 500 with out any modifications to the engine.
Actually, the 1978 Corvette pace car was the first to use an entirely stock drive train. | |
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Posted: 8/6/2006 12:45:02 PM | Well if you look it up on the net like I just did you are right, but I was going by car and drivers orriginal write up on the 89 trans am turbo pace car and they said it was the first.
It dosnt matter though, they both have more power then fimbears sunflower and are real pace cars | |
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