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Posted: 8/6/2006 2:52:31 PM | What you guys are all talking drag racing !LOL
Well no wonder your kinda lost when it comes to a fast set of wheels !!
Hell Gm built a snow machine that could out run anything with wheels but they couldn't control it on snow !LOL
What an 89 trans am !LOL Woo you guys watched way too much smokey& the bandit movie !LOL
Any engine v8 from 85 an newer are crap and don't have horse power with out being machined down and rebuilt with race cams and race pistons . As they where made with small pistons and with smaller intakes .
Stock 1977 camaro berlinetta came with stock big block 350 engines pushing out 328 horse power . nd last year for a big block also . So if you think your new 2005 pickup has a big block you don't . Sure it may say 350 cubic inches but it only puts out 300 hp max.
And another thing when did a diesel truck have speeed ! Woo you guys better stop reading and actually go try some real racing .
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Posted: 8/6/2006 3:16:38 PM |
Stock 1977 camaro berlinetta came with stock big block 350 engines pushing out 328 horse power.
I didn't know the 350 was a big block, I guess they finally grew up.
http://www.ajgeneral.com/bbc_block_casting_numbers/ | |
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Posted: 8/6/2006 3:33:38 PM |
What you guys are all talking drag racing !LOL
Well no wonder your kinda lost when it comes to a fast set of wheels !!
Hell Gm built a snow machine that could out run anything with wheels but they couldn't control it on snow !LOL
What an 89 trans am !LOL Woo you guys watched way too much smokey& the bandit movie !LOL
Any engine v8 from 85 an newer are crap and don't have horse power with out being machined down and rebuilt with race cams and race pistons . As they where made with small pistons and with smaller intakes .
Stock 1977 camaro berlinetta came with stock big block 350 engines pushing out 328 horse power . nd last year for a big block also . So if you think your new 2005 pickup has a big block you don't . Sure it may say 350 cubic inches but it only puts out 300 hp max.
And another thing when did a diesel truck have speeed ! Woo you guys better stop reading and actually go try some real racing .
But you guys are funny though saying trucks are fast !
You still didn't say what year your sunflower is. No one said trucks are really fast, someone said his daily driven truck can beat your sunflower. That does not make his truck fast.
This is a fast DIESEL truck:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Kfd3A7KFko
Watch it and learn.
Here is an article for you to read:
http://www.sporttruck.com/eventcoverage/0503st_weekend_on_the_edge_2004/
I think the fourth paragraph contains these words:Diesel-drag-racing legend Richard "Mad Dog" Madsen turned in the quickest non-exhibition time of the day: an uncorrected 11.5 seconds -- faster than a McLaren F1. Applying sea-level correction, this would be a 10.877, making Madsen nose out a stock Ferrari Enzo and unmodified Saleen S7.
Also, note that using LOL at the end of every sentence makes you look like a 5 year old. | |
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Posted: 8/6/2006 3:41:47 PM | | I think he's trying to be funny. He certainly has no clue what he's talking about. | |
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Posted: 8/6/2006 3:48:34 PM | | ^^^^ That is for sure. I agree. | |
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Posted: 8/6/2006 3:52:59 PM | First thing those websites are not stock trucks !!
Sure any one can built a fast car or truck but theres no stock diesel fast trucks end of story !
Well 1977 big block engines were only put into corvettes & ss berlinetta 's which where american engines .And they were a royal blue in colour & they had no exhaust maninfold gaskets . These big blocks only had three gaskets and they were two tappet cover gaskets/oil pan gasket .Do to the design of the engine blocks and the manifolds there was no need for other gaskets. The valve covers where much wider and left bank was slightly ahead of the right bank . What makes them bigger is the fact the engine was 1 .75 or 2 .25inches longer &with longer piston stokes& larger bores . And they were taller but not sure now how much that was .And the distributors all were in the rear.The pistons where angle headed for better higher compression rates . And all big block 350's came with holly 650 duall pump 4barrel carbs. The stock engine had a horse power of 328hp but was sold as a 350 because of the cubic inch displacement.  | |
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Posted: 8/6/2006 8:27:51 PM | I'm not aware of a 350 cid. big block CHEVROLET engine being built at any time, ever. There was a 350 big block BUICK engine, but this went out of use sometime in the mid 1970's. They can be hotrodded, but at enormous expense, as parts are rare.
It is possible, of course, to build an engine that requires no gaskets, but not with the factory machining techniques in use by the Big 3. Stock engines are mass-produced, not by skilled machininst, but by unionized factory workers who MAY have received a few minutes training on how to use an automated machine. As a former employee of the Ford Windsor engine plant, I know this for a fact. I was once one of those workers.
Stock engines are built to a fairly wide tolerance, which is why blueprinting engines makes such a difference. Incidentally, I had a '77 Camaro Berlinetta in high school, mine had a 305. | |
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Posted: 8/7/2006 1:14:44 AM | Fimbear congratulations. You just managed to lower the IQ of everyone who read your posts.
First off, there were no I repeat NO 350 ci big block engines made by any of the GM companies. The 350 chevrolet is and always was a small block. The 350 buick is considered a small block, the 350 olds is also a small block and all the pontiac V8s were all the same block. No small or big block for them.
The mythe of the 350 big block just came to play because the olds and pontiac 350s were larger in appearance than the famed chevy small block.
A 1977 camaro and corvette with the 350 small block strugled to make even 200 hp so I dont know where you got your numbers from. I`m guessing you made it up in your head.
The 454 big block in 74 was the last big block in the vette and it was only about 275 hp. Those were the smog years and not much that came out of detroit was fast. And from what I remember, the berlenetta only came with an in line 6 or a 305 ci V8.
All chevrolet small and big blocks had the distributer in the rear right behind the carb or throtle body.
I`ve got a shelf full of camaro books since I have owned 5 of them in the past.
You say there were no fast V8s built after 85?? Well thats another place where you are wrong. Infact in 85, ford and GM started to put fuel injection on the mustangs and camaros and started to get quicker and the horse power war was back on again. 5.0 mustangs were running quicker 1/4 mile times then some of the famed muscle cars of the 60s and the camaros and firebirds were right behind them. Chevy came out with the LS1 in 97 and took back the title from ford and have just gotten faster since then.
Now you can get a 427 ci small block in the vette that makes over 500 hp. I watched one dust off a sport bike tonight with ease. Even the new caddilacs have an LS1 based chevy engine that makes over 400 hp now.
There is a chevy pick up out of nebraska that makes over 1000 hp at the wheels with an iron block version of the LS1 chevy small block with some help from a turbo. Look up parrish`s turbocharged chevy truck. Its all ove the net.
Now as for the trucks, no the diesels are not fast from the factory but with a little tunning and spend a few bucks, they can pull over 1000 hp and enough torque to pull down a building.
I think a stock one would still give your sunflower a run for its money.
And for the gas powered trucks, I watched a new dodge ram beat a supercharged mustang tonight. The ram was the SRT10 I listed before. It comes with the 500 hp V10 engine that comes in the viper. This thing was bone stock factory and only had 10,000 km on it. There are alot of other fast trucks right from the factory.
In the late 80s or early 90s you could get a gmc s10 with a turbo charged V6 that beat the ferrari f40 in the 1/4 mile. It was called the cyclone. Look it up.
The ford lightnings are super charged V8s and are very fast too.
Fact is, these trucks are faster than most cars being built today.
About the only thing you got right in your post is that they used trans ams in smokey and the bandit. But the 89 pace car trans am was not a v8. It was a turbo charged V6 buick engine. And for the record I do not own one. I have the other car the same engine came in. If your are smart enough you will figure out what kind it is. I`m guessing you will never know.
As for my truck, Its fast for a pick up and holds it own against the mildly modified mustangs and walks all over sunflowers so why dont you bring this car of yours to the track and bring your bank card with you. Dont give me any excuses. Put up or shut up fimbear. Dont go telling people you are faster then them if you dont have the balls to back it up.
You obviously know nothing about cars. Do your home work before you post about cars because you are making yourself look real stupid and dumbing down the entire internet.
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Posted: 8/7/2006 1:16:06 AM |
How about the turbo diesels. With minor mods they haul as$. There are alot of fast trucks.
First thing those websites are not stock trucks !!
I didn't say stock.
And they were a royal blue in colour & they had no exhaust maninfold gaskets . These big blocks only had three gaskets and they were two tappet cover gaskets/oil pan gasket .Do to the design of the engine blocks and the manifolds there was no need for other gaskets
No one asked for a gasket breakdown on the engine out of a berlinetta. You're going way off-topic here. | |
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Posted: 8/7/2006 11:19:19 AM | Well I said american blue block not orange canadian small blocks !
All canadian engines are smaller and even in horse power .
Alot of you don't know much about engines yet you sure do know canadien crap engines !LOL
As for my IQ its alot more then you think .
Why is a guy saying hes a drag racer not on any drag race boards ??
Once more another person doing a web check for engine specs !LOL
Well most of GM's engine specs and what they used to put in different cars is not on a website as be way too much to keep on line . But you can write to them and they will for a fee send you any information on the american 350 cdi engine !
As for thew gasket info I figured maybe I'd point out I am not stupid as your thinking .
Look candien egines are smaller /less horse power and are totally different design's . And camaro's are still being made but their made in autralia only and theri not exported and thier called NOVA down there .
They are not exported out . The american veruses canadien engines are not even close to having much of the same design A 305 is actually a 307 with different valves and smaller cams.
As for street racing as this forum started out alot of you need a few speeding tickets amd maybe you'd learn to race on a track instead. Yep have seen some of you doing stupid shit on the roads and it is a wonder you have not killed someone yet . Look if you want too impress someone go to a track with your car or diesel truck !
And I remember saying my 1977 was the last year of the 350 CDI engine .
All V8 now are tuned ported which are lot smaller and lower compression rates.
Sure their lighter but thats becasue their smaller . So smaller mean less horse power as pistions are smaller and shorter stroked . Sure lots of intake valves on some but then they have too rev higher to make any horse power.
GM has a carburator that can get a car over 100 miles to the gallon but won't use it cause it does not require any mantenace and has no moving parts.
I know this cause Warren Miller & lye Kady designed it and sold it to GM . Once it was in their hands they said you'll never see that on domestic cars as no way to make other money from it . And as for drag racing I have not seen many running low 7's now adays .
Maybe thats do to the small pee wee engines you guys say are fast !! | |
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Posted: 8/7/2006 12:31:08 PM | Well I said american blue block not orange canadian small blocks !
All canadian engines are smaller and even in horse power .
Alot of you don't know much about engines yet you sure do know canadien crap engines !LOL
Chevrolet went from orange colour blocks to blue colour blocks on all their small and big block engines in the mid 70s. Has nothing to do with being American or Canadian.
Alot of you don't know much about engines yet you sure do know canadien crap engines !LOL
As for my IQ its alot more then you think .
I`ve forgot more about engines then you have ever known and after that last post I doubt your IQ is even in the plus and are posibly the first man in history to have a negitive IQ.
Why is a guy saying hes a drag racer not on any drag race boards ??
Once more another person doing a web check for engine specs !LOL
I`m on alot of different drag racing boards and I think you are the one who needs to do some research on the web because all of your facts are wrong.
Well most of GM's engine specs and what they used to put in different cars is not on a website as be way too much to keep on line . But you can write to them and they will for a fee send you any information on the american 350 cdi engine !
Anything you need to know about GM`s engine specs is out their on the web. Look it up and post this information of your made up 350 big block.
As for thew gasket info I figured maybe I'd point out I am not stupid as your thinking .
Made you look more stupid
Look candien egines are smaller /less horse power and are totally different design's . And camaro's are still being made but their made in autralia only and theri not exported and thier called NOVA down there .
Canadian small blocks and Amaerican small blocks are the same once again. And they do not build the camaro in Australia. They build the Holdon Monaro witch is the same car as the Pontiac GTO. No more Novas either.
The american veruses canadien engines are not even close to having much of the same design A 305 is actually a 307 with different valves and smaller cams.
A 305 had a compleatly different bore and stroke then the 307. And each engine only has one cam shaft.
The 307 chev shared the same crank shaft stroke as the 327 and both engines were offered in Canada and the US but the last year for the chev 307 was around 72 or 73. Oldmobile had a 307 as well but a comleatly different design.
And I remember saying my 1977 was the last year of the 350 CDI engine .
Again you are dead wrong. The last year for the true 350 ci chevrolet was 98 I believe.
All V8 now are tuned ported which are lot smaller and lower compression rates.
Sure their lighter but thats becasue their smaller . So smaller mean less horse power as pistions are smaller and shorter stroked . Sure lots of intake valves on some but then they have too rev higher to make any horse power.
Wrong again The compersion ratios have increased since the smoger 70s years. Samller does not mean less horse power and again you have proven that you know nothing.
As for street racing as this forum started out alot of you need a few speeding tickets amd maybe you'd learn to race on a track instead. Yep have seen some of you doing stupid shit on the roads and it is a wonder you have not killed someone yet . Look if you want too impress someone go to a track with your car or diesel truck !
You know you were about one of the only ones on this thread who admited to racing some one on the street and the whole point of this thread was to get a legal place to race. You are the one who seems like he needs to impress some one. And you are the one who needs to go to a track and do some learning.
as for drag racing I have not seen many running low 7's now adays .
Maybe thats do to the small pee wee engines you guys say are fast !!
There are street legal cars running 7s now fimbear. I think you need to get out to the drag strip and open your eyes. And you are not in any position to be saying we have pee wee sized engines when you are bragging about your 4 cylinder sunflower.
And bring some money and your sunflower.
I really think you are just on here to cause sh*t because I find it hard to believe one man could get so much wrong information in his head. | |
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Posted: 8/7/2006 12:54:07 PM | | I think we need to see a Canadian version of "pinks" my mountain bike against a sunflower...I'll start lubing my chain right now or i can drive my own 96 sunfire which i know is a piece of shit. in a perfect world i'd have my old mans car (pic in profile) it has a real big block (marine 427) sunflower wouldn't have a chance in fukking hell, truth is not many did. | |
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Posted: 8/7/2006 6:12:24 PM | This thread seems to have gone completely off topic. There's really no point in debating engines with people who merely oppose everything said. Next post will probably state that the 440 Dodge was developed by Ferrari.
Getting back to teh original topic, I firmly believe that the powers that be don't want to see a legal place to match street cars, there's too much revenue to be generated in fines! If anything is to be accomplished in this arena, it will have to be done by racers themselves.
Maybe, just maybe, some type of organization could be set up to accomplish this.
It would take time, and a lot of money, but it IS possible. Any takers? | |
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Posted: 8/7/2006 6:36:12 PM | I`m in.
Its been a dream of mine for a very long time to get a track up and running that is for the street racers where they can race where its legal and they can race in a heads up style with no ladders. Race who they want to race the way they would on the street.
No bracket racing, no all out race cars, just street cars, domestic and import. Run what ya brung.
I can offer my time, who wants to put up the money? Also who knows some one in the government who has always told us no when we have brought this idea before them in the past? | |
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Posted: 8/7/2006 6:54:20 PM | wonder if I could run a snowmobile set up for asphault??
Yeah, I'm not joking, easy 11 second runs! | |
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Posted: 8/8/2006 10:03:50 PM | | saw 3 sleds lset up that way run the track in cayuga few weeks ago, pretty sweet | |
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Posted: 8/9/2006 7:12:39 PM | Sleds on asphalt are pretty cool. Seen them run in the low 9s.
We used to drag race them on snow and on grass in the summer. Its alot of fun. I would like to try an asphalt set up on the drag strip one day | |
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Posted: 8/10/2006 1:24:32 PM | | Where I come from they race sleds on lakes during summer. | |
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Posted: 8/12/2006 7:01:47 AM | I've built asphalt sleds, they're a blast. Here's a question, for anyone who can answer it: I've been away from racing for a while, busy with the business, but I'm looking into building drag bikes. This is quite a drastic change for a dirt modified man, and I need to see a few run before I get started. Can anyone tell me where they run bikes in southern Ontario?
US tracks are no good for me, I can't cross the border.
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Posted: 8/12/2006 7:05:28 AM | I've seen bikes at cayuga dragway, if you look at their schedule i'm sure they have a few weekends just for them, i'm actually going to go take a peek at their schedule and i'll email you back
you have mail
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Posted: 8/12/2006 12:21:29 PM | This is from the OSCA (Ontario street car associasion.)message board via the Torontoi Mustang Board......
My uncle inlaw was telling me today that the Ministry and Police are doing a major raid this coming weekend along Hwy3 into Cayuga race way. Thats Aug 11-13. He is an inspector for the ministry. They will be looking for anything not proper with the cars and any illegal acts on the roads. So be safe.
Street Racers must be laughing at us "legal" Racers....How many street deaths is this going to cause. Nothing like driving away legal racers from a legal track...WHAT A BUNCH OF JERKS!
This is the thing that has to stop to help curb street racing!!!!!!! | |
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Posted: 8/12/2006 8:26:20 PM | I was on the way home tonight on the 401... 5 BMWs lined up, one in each lane and then the other 2 were in behind on the outside lanes... all doing 90!!! that right there is illegal.
my buddy that was driving was obviously not happy and hit his horn and they took off up to at least 180-200. after they did their little run, and we passed them ALL of the drivers were late 20's to mid 30's and asian... so much for all of your sterotypes of it being the young drivers out there. | |
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Posted: 8/12/2006 11:40:33 PM | Yet another example of how the very people who are supposed to be enforcing the law are doing everything they can to make sure the public loses all respect for the law, and the people who enforce it.
Revenue-generating ticket blitzes outside legitimate racetracks do nothing to improve safety on the highways, but rather, have the exact opposite effect. It looks good on TV, the politicians can appear to be doing something, but the net effect is to drive legitimate racers away from the track.
Ask yourself, what is the REAL motivation behind this? Do the ministry and the police want to destroy the track owner's business, thereby depriving the township of needed taxes and the employees of needed jobs? Or could it possibly be that the idea IS to drive more racers onto the street, in the hope of catching them there, with the chance to impose much higher fines?
Don't believe the government is capable of deliberately leading more and more people to break the law? Ask a professional truck driver. In that industry, with the maze of provincial, state and federal regulations, from both sides of the border, transportation law has reached the point where it is simply not possible to be completely legal. With the amount of consultation available to lawmakers, no one can conclude that this was not done deliberately.
It generates millions of dollars in fines every year, and politicians can claim they're cracking down on "evil truckers", a la the late, unlamented Al Palladini.
If they can do it to a billion dollar industry, one vital to the economies of both Canada and the US, they can do it to car hobbyists, and for the same reasons: revenue, and political gain.
No wonder so many people have lost all respect for government and the law. It can only get worse as long as the current, politically motivated climate of harassment is continued. | |
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Posted: 8/13/2006 4:09:17 AM | hate to break it to you but the 350 you claim was in your berlinetta is not even close to the hp rating you claim...nor was it a big block. its essentially a bored out 305.
1. gm or any of the big 3 at the time never put different motors in cars for the canadian people.. $$$$ more money to make different motors...ie loss of profit.
2. did you buy the so called bbc camaro new?...cuz if you did the salesman found a sucker...if used the prev owner found one.
3.too much info to keep online... please i have half a terrabyte in my personal computer....how much you figure gm has in their servers?
4. 170 hp max..... oh and that was dirrectly from a GM sales brochure .....
5.if they are called nova`s ...they arent camaro`s. i looked care to back that one up with a web link?
6.my head hurts from trying to decypher your ramblings.
the 396 was the last big block to grace a camaro...
i agree with the op...street racing needs to be in a controled environment.
i will say the video game found on the front seat of the idiots car who killed a cabbie in to was need for speed.
were they trying to emulate the game..maybe..i play fps games..does that mean if i go shoot people that the game is responsible?..no it would be my unstable mind not a game.
i agree that cops target cars that look fast..why easy target..
also armedandretarted....by all your comments i take it that when you pull out infront of traffic and you notice car behind you is a bit closer then you though and you speed up a bit
you think this is racing.
its people like you that call real cops and whine when people with modded cars make noise in your wanna be hood.
i have a friend with a 78 chev van. 454 blown..750 hp..
does that mean he is a street racer?.....please say yes so i can bash you down a bit more.
people of this world need to look at what a street racer is.
a true street racer doesnt want attention drawn to what they are doing...
the punks of the world(the ones with the little penis)are the ones doing it on the hwys and on city streets.
maybe one way to get toronto to agree would be to pitch the fact of higher revenues due to all the ticket writing they could do at the gates
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Posted: 5/2/2008 4:02:31 PM | | I have Raced in Toronto Ontario ,Yes Drag Raced but I stopped now. after the new laws it's not even worth it anymore. | |
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