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| Is Rock and Roll dead?
Posted: 7/9/2007 3:44:51 PM | Just for the record, gypsygirl29....Cake's rendition of I will survive (have the cd) was originally recorded by Gloria Gaynor, not Aretha. | |
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| Is Rock and Roll dead?
Posted: 7/9/2007 3:54:33 PM | Murphy, I agree with you totally. Sounds like lots of POFers weren't around in the 60's and 70's, but when I think back to the shows that I saw and the talent....I'm not sure there will ever be an era like that again...it was magic, electrified, and unique all at the same time. Groups like: Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young, Boston, Yes, Rod Stewart, David Bowie, Talking Heads, Grand Funk Railroad, Cream, Peter Gabriel, kate Bush, Allman Brothers...befroe dwayne died, Jimmy Page, ZZ Top, Grace Slick...Jefferson Starship...still have Red Octopus, Clapton and Hendrix together, BTO, Leonard Skinner.l....the list goes on and on. Not as educated as you younger music fans...but love to talk about 60's and 70's with anyone interested! | |
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| Is Rock and Roll dead?
Posted: 7/9/2007 7:08:19 PM | ^^^I named my son after Duane Allman.....
These days, I find that I listen to a lot of stuff that has some serious licks.
I love "are you gonna go my way" by Lenny Kravitz, and also some recent White Stripes stuff.
Rock and roll will never die. Thank God.
Cheers, Raven | |
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| Is Rock and Roll dead?
Posted: 7/9/2007 8:33:58 PM | | Duane was a fabulous musician as was the drummer**** Betts....Greg, who now lives in the same town as I, never was the same after he lost his brother. Got to see Lenny Kravitz a few years back....quite intense artist. Hope this doesn't sound goofy, but around that time....The Dave Matthews Band was touring. Saw them 4 or 5 times.....what an awesome group of musicians....the thing that you notice during a live performance....that sets them apart is that every member of the band is incredible and they are totally in sync....should you ever get a chance....it's a great show! | |
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| Is Rock and Roll dead?
Posted: 6/9/2009 7:03:22 PM | I've found some good new rock on the internet and you wouldn't find any of it on mainstream radio.
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Erzeal
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Joined: 6/2/2009
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| Is Rock and Roll dead?
Posted: 6/9/2009 7:09:22 PM | If you listen to mainstream, then yes it is dead.
However it is not dead if you know where to look. Their is plenty of great rock out there! | |
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Posted: 6/9/2009 10:20:42 PM | | Nice to see this 4 year old thread of mine still going. I hear alot of things that sound like rock and roll going on out there, but people tell me it is not rock and roll, it is alternative..hmmm. I always thought that when people said they like alternative music they meant something like Gregorian chants. | |
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7Munky
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Joined: 5/19/2009
Msg: 109 | |
| Is Rock and Roll dead?
Posted: 6/10/2009 4:54:45 PM | | rock will never die, but today people prefer pop and rap :S | |
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| Is Rock and Roll dead?
Posted: 6/12/2009 3:07:37 PM | | Rock & Roll will never die. I have a 24 year old son who listens to a lot of pop, some rap & even country, I was riding with him in his truck not long ago & he popped in a non-labeled disc & said "Mom, ya gotta listen to this !" Much to my surprise, it was Boston !! I laughed & told him that I was listening to them since I was in grade school. Come to find out, he's been listening to lots of others as well...Journey, Reo Speedwagon, Dire Straits & a few others, he said lots of his friends were really into it as well. So, I think the next generations will carry it on for us. As far as new Rock & Roll goes, I guess alternative is now our form of " Rock & Roll " but I like it a lot !! | |
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Posted: 6/12/2009 4:33:29 PM | ^From what I've seen, I'd agree with that last part. Every old schooler I know that has been part of a cover band over the last 10 years has gone from playing Van Halen and Rush to Nickelback and Creed.
Horrible transition if you ask me, but I guess this is rock to most people now. | |
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| Is Rock and Roll dead?
Posted: 6/12/2009 4:47:18 PM |
Every old schooler I know that has been part of a cover band over the last 10 years has gone from playing Van Halen and Rush to Nickelback and Creed.
That's just sad. Those bands are not even half as good as Van Halen or Rush.  | |
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| Is Rock and Roll dead?
Posted: 6/12/2009 6:14:40 PM | I listen to rock and roll on the radio all the time, it is alive and thriving.. | |
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| Is Rock and Roll dead?
Posted: 6/13/2009 4:47:48 PM | | Ian Anderson, long time front man for Jethro Tull, thinks that every type of music, from rock to classical, has gone as far as it can go. What an alarming prospect. | |
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| Is Rock and Roll dead?
Posted: 6/13/2009 11:57:04 PM | | I think Ian Anderson might be onto something there. I am not a musician and have no knowledge of music theory, but I cannot see any new form of music in the making. Rock and roll itself existed in a primative form in blues and swing music decades before it was "created" in the 50s. As we are a society in decline, if any new music comes about, it will not be from an English speaking country. | |
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| Is Rock and Roll dead?
Posted: 6/14/2009 11:53:08 AM | R & R that is heard by the public is some pretty dead stuff. At least 95% of the new stuff I hear.
So, what is the main prob?
Commercialism. This includes both commercialism for bucks, or commercialism for popularity, in the sense of betraying both yourself and "them", i.e. the folks out there.
For music to be good, it has to be what is on YOUR mind.
If "they" don't like it, tough shxx.
It has to be between you and your maker.
If you make rock music to fit the tastes of the audience, I think you are, to one degree or another, selling out.
Another problem: when "musicians" live in a bubble, navel-gazing music many times is the result.
Ya gotta be "out there".
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RDtoo, stated: " As we are a society in decline, if any new music comes about, it will not be from an English speaking country."
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Well, it seems we have too many "castratees" today. No attitude. Probably some of the better musicians would have been those diagnosed with ADD.
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To PioneerValleyWoman, about Ian Anderson: IA is/was a very talented guy. Couldn't sing very well, tho. I think he is wrong about the end of R&R tho. As long as people sing with heart, whether JimmyEatWorld, or Taylor Swift, or Joe Cocker, or maybe the Lighthouse guy, there is gonna be good stuff. Even if only a fraction of what makes it to "commercial" radio, which, to some degree, is the LCD of the population.
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To Just Carol: I like SOME of your list, but my edited 60s list would be...
Blind Faith, the (Lil) Rascals (the singer later with GFRailroad), some of the Beach Boys, of course the Beatles, some of Cream, some Allman Bros, Neil Young (not his politics, but his music, and b.t.w. his singing is underrated), Starship with Mickey Thomas, some of ZZ (tho they seem limited), Cocker, Randy Newman, and, lest I forget, Vanilla Fudge! Oh yeah, and Potliquor! | |
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| Is Rock and Roll dead?
Posted: 6/14/2009 12:13:57 PM | Popular rock and roll is definitely in decline.
Find some site that has a "greatest rock songs of all time" type of list with the songs grouped by decade. Usually the largest number of songs is in the late 60s to early 70s range. The number of hits for the 80s, 90s, and 00s decline for each decade. Look at the quality of the songs on each list and you'll see that even among the hits they really dug deep to find some of those songs in the 90s and 00s.
Combine this with a corporate music system that looks at who sold the most records this year, then "manufactures" new bands to sound exactly like that and you have a crappy mainstream musical monoculture.
There's still good music to be found on the Internet, but they won't be topping the charts or getting radio airplay. | |
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| Is Rock and Roll dead?
Posted: 6/14/2009 3:24:39 PM |
There's still good music to be found on the Internet, but they won't be topping the charts or getting radio airplay.
Very true. I haven't listened to the radio in years because they never play anything I like anymore. | |
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Posted: 6/14/2009 11:22:01 PM | Mpaul, the singer for Grand Funk Railroad was Mark Farner. He was not with the Lil Rascals, he was with Terry Knight and the Pack which evolved into GFR. Maybe I misunderstood what you were saying though.
I think Ian Anderson would agree that there is still some very listenable Rock and Roll around. I am guessing that he believes all the true geniuses of Rock are gone and it has been taken everywhere it could be taken.
I do agree about the commercialism and just because it is on the internet does not mean it is not commerical. There are too many things being labeled today. One of the best rock albums I have heard in the past decade was a band that was considered "British folk music". They sure did not sound like folk music. The name of the album was "the Shouting End of Life" by the Oyster Band. No, not Blue Oyster Cult. | |
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Posted: 6/15/2009 5:44:25 AM | RD: my bad.
The great singer for the (Young) Rascals was apparently Felix Cavaliere.
And it seems the great background guy harmonizing was possibly one Eddie Brigati.
I was also mistakenly under the impression that the Rascal and Vanilla Fudge lead singer(s) was/were one and the same. Not the case, as it seems that Mark Stein was the one who sang "you just keep me hanging on" and other great VF songs.
Regardless, both of these guys displayed emotion, heart, no fake emotions, etc.
"Got to be free"/ "train of freedom" by the (Young) Racals: the singers were on the same page. When I hear that refrain/chorus (if I luck up once per every 3 years hitting it on radio) it absolutely inspires, by it's sheer honesty and emotional transmittal of "goodness". Last time I heard it, I think I was running on the Mississippi levee here in Louisiana, and it stepped my pace up 100%
(which is, er, not that fast anyway). | |
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| Is Rock and Roll dead?
Posted: 7/26/2009 7:38:38 AM | not really.
radiohead, the vines, elbow etc are still going stong - as well as the Manics | |
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| Is Rock and Roll dead?
Posted: 7/27/2009 4:35:59 AM | | ...................................................................................................................................... | |
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| Is Rock and Roll dead?
Posted: 7/27/2009 6:33:55 PM | | if som1 thinks that rock is dead, they are looking in the wrong places. Here, there are many great bands where i live. Search myspace, bound to find somthing | |
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| Is Rock and Roll dead?
Posted: 7/28/2009 2:21:46 AM | Not dead.
But when anyone (even John Mellencamp) says "rock is dead", I think what they REALLY mean is....
-it's not the center of the culture, like it was from 1964 on to, oh, the late '80s maybe.
-it's not "dangerous" any more. Way back when, artists from Bob Dylan to Jimi Hendrix to The Doors to Led Zeppelin had a air about them...like just even listening to them was a subversive act. I still remember how, growing up in the '70s, the thought of a Led Zep concert coming to town got all the kids excited over the prospect of something dark and dangerous- and all the adults got nervous.
Punk was "dangerous", and rap still kind of is. But when the music that was once feared is used to sell luxury cars to an "older" audience...dangerous it ain't.
- once upon a time the most popular acts were also the most talented, the most ambitious, and the most creative. From the Beatles to "Dark Side of the Moon" to Led Zep, the biggest acts were also trying to "say something". They were pushing the art form from disposable to serious. From songs about driving around in your car and chasing girls, to songs about war, politics, and history, to abstractions. Or from "She Loves You" to "Stairway To Heaven", in not even 10 years.
Now, the "music" that dominates the culture, or is thought to, is disposable pop music again. What is Britney Spears but Sandra Dee with attitude? Beyonce is talented, but Carole King she's not- nor does she want to be. That's the way the corporate big shots like it- empty and pointless. A lot of these acts wear their business sense on their sleeve, like it's some kind of rock and roll attitude to be a mogul (see Sean Combs). Maybe it ain't selling out as much as buying in, but you're not getting a "White Album" that way.
There are still Bob Dylans and Led Zeppelins out there, I'm sure. But how they get beyond the fringes of the media universe is the question. And even if they can, what about the audience? I know that there must be plenty of "kids" who hate American Idol, but just how many are out there now that think it's all about being another Celine Dion? | |
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| Is Rock and Roll dead?
Posted: 7/28/2009 5:09:26 AM | It's not dead: it's just old, tired, and keeps repeating itself.
But levity aside, it's just settled in as an established genre, like jazz, country, blues, classical, lounge, hip-hop, various "ethnic" styles, etc., and some of its freshest work involves cross-pollination with those other genres. | |
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