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| Is the USA in danger of becomeing as bad as Nazi Germany
Posted: 3/20/2007 3:11:26 PM | re:Leif
Looks like one main element of fascism, a police state, is in its embryonic stage of formation.....is this a hint at a police state or what?
US GENERAL ISSUES WARNING:
POLITICS MUST NOT INTERFERE WITH 100-YEAR "WAR ON TERROR"
By Bill Van Auken
19 December 2006
One of the Pentagon's senior uniformed strategists warned last week that the "global war on terror" will go on for another 50 to 100 years and voiced concern that "politics" not be allowed to interfere with the protracted struggle.
The remarks were made by Brig. Gen. Mark O. Schissler, an Air Force commander and the Defense Department's deputy director for the "war on terrorism." He made them in an exclusive interview with the Washington Times, the right-wing daily owned by the Unification Church of Rev. Sun Myung Moon.
"We're in a generational war," he told the paper. "You can try and fight the enemy where they are and where they're attacking you, or prevent them and defend your own homeland," he said. "But that's not enough to stop it."
The Washington Times went on to report, "Gen. Schissler said he is concerned that Washington politics is weakening the will of the nation."
"I don't care about the politics," he told the newspaper. "I care about people understanding the facts of what our enemy is thinking about, what's our strategy to defeat them, and for [Americans] to understand that it will take a long fight, mostly
because our enemy is committed to the long fight." He added, "They're absolutely committed to the 50-100-year plan."
"One of my concerns is how to maintain the American will, the public will over that duration," the general said. He described this task as "very difficult."
Difficult indeed. How is the "public will" to wage global warfare for the next century to be maintained, particularly when "politics" gets in the way?
Given the political context of Schissler remarks, his warnings have unmistakable and chilling implications.
Barely six weeks ago, the Bush administration, which initiated the "war on terror" and proclaimed Iraq to be its most important front, suffered a stunning defeat at the polls. The Republican Party's loss of both houses of the US Congress was the result of mass popular opposition to the Iraq war.
This opposition has only deepened in the intervening weeks, as a series of opinion polls
have demonstrated. A CBS News poll, for example, found that just 4 percent of Americans believe that terrorism is the most important problem confronting the country. The same poll found that a record 35 percent believe that the war in Iraq is the principal problem, with 71 percent saying the war is going badly and only 9 percent believing that
the US is very likely to succeed in Iraq.
A USA Today poll found that two-thirds believe that the costs of the US succeeding in Iraq outweigh the benefits. A clear majority wants all US troops withdrawn from the country within the next year, while 74 percent say all combat troops should be
withdrawn by March 2008.
Not only is the American public unwilling to support a century of wars of aggression, it has reached the conclusion that the three-and-a-half-year-old war in Iraq should never
have been launched and should be brought to a speedy end. This is the threat to the "American will" about which Gen. Schissler is so concerned.
This supposed "will" to wage war--what could better be described as a temporary and forced acquiescence--was achieved through political deception and intimidation, by terrorizing the population with the supposed threat of attack in the wake of the September 11, 2001 tragedy.
As all of the pretexts used to promote the war--weapons of mass destruction, Baghdad-Al Quaeda ties, etc.--were exposed as lies, and as the war itself turned into an ever-more bloody debacle, claiming the lives of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis and either killing or wounding 25,000 US troops, the demand for withdrawal of US forces from Iraq was embraced by millions of Americans, including many in uniform.
The issue posed is not really sustaining the "will" to wage a 100-year war, but suppressing the mass opposition to war that has already found powerful political expression.
Among masses of American working people, there never was a will to wage wars of aggression. That outlook reflected the aims and schemes developed within the corporate and financial elite that rules America. This ruling layer has utilized the "global war on terror," in which Gen. Schissler is a senior strategist, as the pretext for carrying out a
military campaign aimed at imposing US domination over the oil-rich regions of the Persian Gulf and Central Asia as part of American capitalism's pursuit of global hegemony.
In the aftermath of the 2006 midterm elections, it has become increasingly apparent that this ruling elite has no intention of bowing to the actual will of the people, as reflected at the polls, by bringing an end to the war and withdrawing US troops from Iraq. It is driven by its own economic necessity to offset a declining position on the world market by means of military force. And it fears that a withdrawal from Iraq will expose the underlying weakness of American imperialism, raising the danger of revolutionary crises both at home and abroad.
In his interview with the Washington Times, Schissler said that the century-long struggle he foresees will be waged against extremists determined to establish a global "caliphate" stretching from Spain to Indonesia. While there are, no doubt, a small number of radical Islamists who believe in such a crackpot scheme, this supposed threat has nothing to do with the military interventions now being carried out by Washington in the regions possessing the largest reserves of petroleum in the world.
The attempt to cast the wars being waged in Afghanistan and Iraq in religious terms has become an increasingly common refrain within the most right-wing sections of the political establishment in Washington, as well as within the military command. There is no doubt that this depiction of events is aimed at solidifying a base of support for war among a layer of Christian fundamentalists.
The most notorious example of this attempt to drum up a religious-based "will" to wage war came to light in 2003 with press reports of speeches delivered by Lt. Gen. William "Jerry" Boykin, the deputy undersecretary of defense for intelligence, to audiences assembled by the Christian right.
Boykin repeatedly told audiences that the war was being waged by a "Christian army" and a "Christian nation" against Islamic forces aligned with Satan. He proclaimed that his own confidence in victory over a Muslim foe was based on the knowledge that "my God was bigger than his . . . my God was a real god and his was an idol." He likewise declared that
George W. Bush was "appointed by God," despite having failed to win the majority of the votes in 2000, and indicated that he saw himself as answerable only to God's commands.
While the general's anti-Islamic bigotry and profoundly anti-democratic remarks provoked outrage, the Republican right and the Bush administration leapt to his defense. The general himself asked that a Pentagon inspector general investigate the controversy. The result was a report that avoided the content of Boykin's remarks, delivering only the mildest rebuke for his failure to assert that they were his personal opinion and to clear them first with superiors.
General Boykin remains to this day the senior uniformed officer in military intelligence and a top policy-maker in the "war on terror," overseeing assassination squads, illegal abductions and torture.
Schissler is not known to have delivered any similar religious-political diatribes. His service record posted on the Defense Department's web site does, however, include the notation that in 1998 while climbing the promotional ladder to the Pentagon's inner circle, the Air Force officer found time to complete a master's degree in "pastoral studies."
The politically protected ravings of Boykin as well as the expressions of concern by Schissler that "politics"--that is, the real will of the people--not be allowed to interfere with the official will to wage war are indicative of the right-wing and authoritarian tendencies that are being nurtured by American militarism and colonial-style occupation.
In the end, imposing upon the American people the "will" to sustain a 100-year war could be achieved only by dictatorial means similar to those utilized by the Nazis in their attempt to generate the "will" of the German people to sustain a 1,000-year Reich.
The danger posed by such right-wing tendencies is not that they have any substantial base of popular support, but that they emerge under conditions of deepening social and political polarization in which the opposition of American working people to war and repression can find no genuine expression within the political establishment and its
two-party system.
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| Is the USA in danger of becomeing as bad as Nazi Germany
Posted: 3/21/2007 11:35:24 AM | “Looks like one main element of fascism, a police state, is in its embryonic stage of formation.....is this a hint at a police state or what?
US GENERAL ISSUES WARNING:
POLITICS MUST NOT INTERFERE WITH 100-YEAR "WAR ON TERROR"”
Actually it is a truth that Americans and other good men actually through out the ages have been fighting against those who would have innocent people killed needlessly for their causes. There are those of us that know that individuals are what are important and there are those who think their causes and institutions are more important than the individual they pretend to serve.
But yes, like any society there are those who want total unchecked, unbalanced control. But I don’t think you can say we are at the embryonic stages of a police state when congress is confronting Bush and his people on their corruption and abuse of power. That to me looks like the American check and balances of distribution of power in action.
Yes you can take the words of one man or a few men and then try to make it sound that all people in Authority are in this grand conspiracy. That is not what has been shown to be happening when you consider the actions of all the people in authority. In an embryonic police state anyone who challenges those in top positions of authority are imprisoned, discredited with a mix of lies and/or truth and killed. Yes you can find cases of all this in any culture but in our culture you find plenty of cases where people do stand up to the top in authority and are not taken out.
But the American public is smart enough as a whole to see through false propagandist means. Rich and powerful people are just that, people. They too have their saints and sinners, their wise and foolish and all points in between. But instead of coming up with isolated cases of misdeeds and then proposing the whole system will fail which would result in the deaths of millions and God knows who gaining power and authority why not come up with solutions to improve our society and institutions.
Let’s face it, the common man does not care about your causes. We just care about providing and protecting for our families and helping our friends to do so and enjoy our lives. God bless those who know what is really important which are our love ones and not your grand causes and institutions.
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| Is the USA in danger of becomeing as bad as Nazi Germany
Posted: 3/21/2007 1:34:39 PM |
Scientist accuses White House of 'Nazi' tactics
By Joel Havemann, Times Staff Writer
March 19, 2007
WASHINGTON -- A government scientist, under sharp questioning by a federal panel for his outspoken views on global warming, stood by his view today that the Bush administration's information policies smacked of Nazi Germany.
James Hansen, director of the Goddard Institute for Space Studies in the National Aeronautics and Space Administration, took particular issue with the administration's rule that a government information officer listen in on his interviews with reporters and its refusal to allow him to be interviewed by National Public Radio.
"This is the United States," Hansen told the House Oversight and Government Affairs Committee. "We do have freedom of speech here."
But Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Vista) said it was reasonable for Hansen's employer to ask him not to state views publicly that contradicted administration policy.
"I am concerned that many scientists are increasingly engaging in political advocacy and that some issues of science have become increasingly partisan as some politicians sense that there is a political gain to be found on issues like stem cells, teaching evolution and climate change," Issa said.
Hansen said the Bush administration was not the first in U.S. history to practice information management over government scientists, but it has been the most vigorous. He deplored a "politicization of science."
"When I testify to you as a government scientist," he said, "why does my testimony have to be reviewed, edited and changed by a bureaucrat in the White House?" Sitting beside him was one of the bureaucrats Hansen was talking about: Philip Cooney, chief of staff to the White House Council on Environmental Quality from 2001 to 2005.
Cooney, an official of the American Petroleum Institute before going to the White House, acknowledged having reviewed some of Hansen's testimony as part of a long-standing practice designed to result in consistency.
Cooney was asked about changing "will" to "may" in prepared testimony describing the impact of human activity--particularly the burning of oil and coal--on the Earth's temperature. He said his edits were based not on political views but a 2001 report by the National Academy of Sciences.
"I offered my comments in good-faith reliance on what I understood to be authoritative and current use of the state of scientific knowledge, and for no other purpose," Cooney said.
Rep. Peter Welch (D-Vt.) didn't buy that. He said the basis of Cooney's editing changes was not scientific evidence but "loyalty to a person who had appointed you to a political position."
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-sci-climate20mar20,1,1206407.story?track=crosspromo&coll=la-headlines-nation&ctrack=1&cset=true
You are a scientist, and your boss ( who accidently happens to be from the American Petroleum Institute ) also accidently changes your words to reduce any potential impact of your thoughts on the uninformed masses.
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| Is the USA in danger of becomeing as bad as Nazi Germany
Posted: 3/21/2007 2:19:42 PM | No.
In terms of the concentration camps and the Holocaust? No.
My ancestors back in the Netherlands were persecuted by Hitler's reign, and even though my elders now may not like George W. Bush, they all can agree that it would be outright insanity and hypocrisy for our country to turn into a Nazi-like state.
I, for one, do not like George Bush, his administration, and his policies. Nor do I really like most of the right-wing. Then again, I don't like some of the left-wing. To me, a radical loony tree-hugging leftist idiot is just as bad as a radical retarded Bible-thumping right-wing whackjob. | |
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| Is the USA in danger of becomeing as bad as Nazi Germany
Posted: 3/25/2007 9:13:23 PM | Well, I am not an American, but now I live in the USA for couple of years. I have heard about USA becoming like nazi Germany before, mainly from left wing professors on American universities. That's a total bullshit.
I have lived in communist regime for 15 years. Do you think you would publicly voice and discuss such idea in such regime? You would get fired from your job and jailed. You would simply not dare to speak this at all. The mere fact you can discuss this shows something ...
Also, can you imagine cops would pull over your car without just cause just for a "routine roadside control" and you would have to show them you have two safety pins in your first aid kit, you spare wheel is properly inflated, etc. Or they would ask you for your ID without just case and apprehend you if you had none? Or you'd have to report your permanent address to authorities every time you move? Youd' have to organize to get a fishing license? You'd have to cary a governement issued citizenship ID? - These are common aspects of life in one of European Union countries.
I think discussing and resisting taking liberties aways is desirable, but American becoming a nazi country is total BS. | |
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| Is the USA in danger of becomeing as bad as Nazi Germany
Posted: 3/26/2007 7:28:22 AM | "becoming a nazi country is total BS."
Yes and no. Right now I don't think there is a threat because those that would love to take American freedom away, like King George Bush and his court as my father put it are being challenged.
Actually it is those liberal types that keep the balance and help prevent the control freaks and conformist from going to far. So no I don't think it will happen. But there are those who if they had their way would give the people they support absolute power which would result in a very bad state of affairs.
So the threat is there because there are those types in our country that are trying to figure out how to gain absolute power. But I really don't think the threat to our system of a pretense and goal of equality of justice and opportunity will ever fall because of our system of check and balances. So while America can be proud of our accomplishments of an evolution of political and social systems we have a ways to go before we can say we have it right.
Blind patriotism and we can do no wrong is even more BS than pointing out possible dangers. What works is not us saying we are so great but people getting involve in the numerous ways us American do to point out faults we perceive and suggest possible solutions.
The hope of the founders of this country was not that they got it right. Even Benjamin Franklin said about the USA Constitution that it was not perfect but was the best they could achieve at the time. The hope was that the American system would evolve into an ever improving system over time. I think some times we take two steps back and one forward but as long as we try I think in say a thousand years or more, if we survive we might get it right.
A lot of what I am saying is really American politics taught in High School but it seems that a lot of people forget it as they get older. Either America system is the spawn of Satan or can do no wrong. The truth if you ask me is some where in the middle.
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| Is the USA in danger of becomeing as bad as Nazi Germany
Posted: 3/27/2007 12:53:38 PM | | Wow,,, first off all, you have no idea how nazi germany was......The biggest part off my family dissapeared between 39 and 45......terrorrists not real? Are you kidding? as long as we are all divided and sqabbling those guys are having a field day....remember...United we stand.....you are free to go and come as you please, say what you want, be straight, gay or whatever......pay or nat pay your taxes, in most states you can kill without getting the death penalty.....In nazi germany they told you what to think, what to wear, who to marry, forced people to divorce, had children turn their own parents in, hunted people like animals, shot them on the street, not only jews, BUT anyone who was not to the nazi doctrine liking.....How can you compare the US with that??? | |
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Posted: 3/27/2007 5:42:38 PM | | I am sure before it was that bad in Germany they said said the same thing you are solobird . But you are right it is not that bad but it does not mean we are without fault and perfect either. Excusing our fault because it is not as bad and then saying we are invulnerable is the a perfect receipt for disaster. Also I can assure you there are those if they had their way would do exactly what you are saying happen in Nazi Germany. My goal in this post was not to cause hysteria but to do a small part to inspire people people to take action against a dangerous trend that WAS happening of a president who would do things like excuse torture and let thousands die in New Orleans and excuses his actions as protecting the moral right. Before Nazi Germany got that bad Hitler presented himself as a holy man looking out for the decent good honest people of Germany. If you study prewar Nazi Germany there were some comparisons between actions of George Bush and Hitler. Yet the American public and various leaders have caught it before it did get that bad and it is being dealt with so now I can say I can rest easier. One of the most dangerous and down right unAmerican things is to say our Government can do no wrong, keep people from criticizing our leaders under a guise of false, blind patriotism and to claim invulnerability. It is because us Americans have stayed involved in criticizing our Government and defended against dangers within and without us that way have stay as good as we are. Besides if you go with the norm you don't see the persecution that those who go by the beat of a different drummer get. | |
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Posted: 3/28/2007 1:12:51 AM | If you study prewar Nazi Germany there were some comparisons between actions of George Bush and Hitler.
This has to be the funniest thing I've ever read on here. I want to know what these comparisons are like they are both white guys, or maybe you are comparing Bush's oratory skills with that of Hitlers? When all logic and reason have failed your argument compare the guy to Hitler, and it'll be alright.
But face it Bush had to know that all he had to do is make a call to his Air force Generals and say we need food and water airdropped into New Orleans, make it happen and hundreds if not thousands of people would not have died
This is the main reason I'm posting in this thread of insanity. I don't know if anyone challenged you on your ludacris accerstions about Hurricane Katrina and it's aftermath because I skip around the thread. Basicly you are completely wrong and if you truly believe any of the tripe you type then all I got is WOW. You blame a single man on a horrific national catastrophe that involved thousands of officials at city, state, and federal levels all working feverishly to bring relief to the people of that region. Yes, lots of mistakes happened and corruption was rampant, but the Louisiana politcal system and New Orleans' in general were corrupted long before the storm. That corruption and improper planning for such a catatrophe were the real problems faced by the President in trying to fix the situation. Bush didn't order an airlifted because the logistics of it weren't there who on the ground are you airlifting too?, who will distribute the supplies while on the ground?, who will protect the distrubters from looters?, and why don't we just use trucks because it's easier? There have to be people on the ground to distribute the supplies you can't just drop a crate that weights a ton or more out of a plane and expect to everything to be alright. Then people just loot the crate like everything else, and those people who can't make it there in time are kinda screwed.
I went down to New Orleans and talked to locals about what happened. A police officer said they are playing the numbers game. That he was at the super dome and saw the dead in the hundreds. Yet officially they claimed only a few people died. I also heard about bodies being dumped in the river and find it believable because I have heard nothing about the mass craves that would be required for the amount of dead down there. I also heard nothing about when the National Guard came down there after five days and they started gunning people down in the hundreds or more. Why were they not there from day one to keep the peace? Also why did I not hear about this in the press? It makes me wonder how much control the powers to be have over the press.
This statement you make is about national guardsman killing people by the hundreds and you didn't hear about it on CNN. Yes, CNN will report every acrocity by our military in Iraq but the government will step in and keep quite the massacre of unarmed hundreds in New Orleans. ARE YOU INSANE? Why you didn't hear anything about mass graves is because bodies were hualed out of there in refrigerated truck so they could be returned to loved ones ,and bodies that weren't claimed were creamated. Please if you truly believe this seek help immediately my friend because you are derranged.
I really don’t know what they were and are up to in New Orleans.
Well my friend you don't know much of anything. I've been down to New Orleans several times in the past year and half so I'll clue you in they are rebuilding the area as swiftly as possible while tourism to New Orleans is picking back up. The Sugar Bowl this year was pretty good and the WSOP Circuit event in May will be pretty cool I can't wait for that one. I saw no signs of sinister government agents lurking about covering up concentration camps or other Nazi-esque activities.
For some reason you think that the US government is all powerful and has a CIA officer assigned to you personally making sure you don't find Jimmy Hoffa's body or figure out Who Really Assinated JFK. You offer simplistic ideas and even simpler solutions to them without considering the real world implications of the things that happen. You blame a man who will be leaving office in less than a year and assert the ridiculous idea of America becoming a Nazi state why people put this idea forth like it's original or that it somehow fosters real debate. It's a flame topic always has been always will be so there I've scratch my itch to yell at an idiot. | |
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| Is the USA in danger of becomeing as bad as Nazi Germany
Posted: 3/28/2007 6:16:31 AM | That corruption and improper planning for such a catatrophe were the real problems faced by the President in trying to fix the situation. Bush didn't order an airlifted because the logistics of it weren't there who on the ground are you airlifting too?, who will distribute the supplies while on the ground?, who will protect the distrubters from looters?, and why don't we just use trucks because it's easier? There have to be people on the ground to distribute the supplies you can't just drop a crate that weights a ton or more out of a plane and expect to everything to be alright. Then people just loot the crate like everything else, and those people who can't make it there in time are kinda screwed.
Blanco sent a letter to Bush stating that the situation was out of control - before the storm hit land. The President then had, but never used, his powers under the Stafford Act. That act allows even DoD assets to be used (unless they will be diverted from a critical mission) to assist in relief efforts.
There were enough military forces , helos, etc in the US military to drop and distribute supplies. In fact, those military assets were indeed used - except about a week too late.
Stop trying to pardon the unpardonable.
When people need help , the first thing , (indeed the Christian thing) is to help them. There was NO reason why that could not have been done in a more timely manner.
None.
Back on topic, I don't think anyone's really trying to say that todays situation is a carbon copy of Hitler's Germany, at least seriously. As I said before, it's more the vast leap that a nation took, a nation that has long been among the world's most vocal in such things, that used to believe in individual civil rights. That leap , and how it was done, does have echoes of the dynamics of that time in Germany - on certain limited levels.
The combination of God, and the promoted belief that America was indeed the lord of all other nations.
The unilateral actions that violated international law.
Increased surveillance, even of peaceful protesters. The widespread listing of potential enemies of the state. This includes something like a watch list with over 400,000 names on it. Any scrap of information can lead one to be listed.
The lack of oversight of the judiciary on the above matters.
The concentration on a specific religious group as being one to be seen as suspicious and not to be trusted.
The torture of prisoners, held without trial.
The invasion of another country, based on false pretexts.
The list goes on and on.....
This isn't to say that America is now somehow Germany in the 1930's . There are vast differences , as well.
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Posted: 3/28/2007 9:59:13 PM | Blanco sent a letter to Bush stating that the situation was out of control - before the storm hit land. The President then had, but never used, his powers under the Stafford Act. That act allows even DoD assets to be used (unless they will be diverted from a critical mission) to assist in relief efforts.
There were enough military forces , helos, etc in the US military to drop and distribute supplies. In fact, those military assets were indeed used - except about a week too late.
Stop trying to pardon the unpardonable.
When people need help , the first thing , (indeed the Christian thing) is to help them. There was NO reason why that could not have been done in a more timely manner.
None.
Ah, she sent a letter how nice, but I would think she would be trying to evacuate the people out of New Orleans and get her own national guard up and running to the situation. Once again there is plenty of blame to go around for everyone involved, but you chose to put the blame on one man for not seeing the future and being ominpotent enough to steer us past that one and this is what I mainly take issue with. I can't wait until Bush is gone so we can see how the next person does with the new world order that has risen since 9/11. Oh yeah unlike Hitler Bush will leave office when he's suppose too sorry for that spoiler but by January 27 of 2009 he will be gone from direct power in these United States.
Back on topic, I don't think anyone's really trying to say that todays situation is a carbon copy of Hitler's Germany, at least seriously.
I was staying on topic I was pointing out disturbing ideas that I read in your original post that no one I had scene took issue with in 16 pages. Assertions that you choose not to back up like the national guardsman killing hundreds in NO or mass graves out in the Bayou. The paranoid tone that your messege seemed to convey about the state of New Orleans that I told your from direct experience from being in the city that you are wrong. You also said there are comparisons to Bush and Hilter when there are none in any realm of possiblity, and you can't point out any that I will find credible. See you can't compare someone to Hilter and make a sound arguement Bush is the guy in office during a period when we took a massive hit from outside forces that we can't directly strike against. We can try to strike back and we have to some effect, but we just weren't ready for this threat which blame can rest on the previous admistration for not having us better prepared for it.
The combination of God, and the promoted belief that America was indeed the lord of all other nations.
The unilateral actions that violated international law.
America isn't the lord of all nations but we are the most wealthy, powerful, and influencial country in the world. Which means we have interest in all the world's affairs and to try to act accordingly although not always to the best effect.
International law is my favorite when people trott that dead horse out. Country's around the world flaunt international law everyday how about your buddies in Iran they don't seem to care about the proliferation of nuclear technology or weapons. They are telling the British right now to sit and twist while they will capture British sailors on thier whem. International law doesn't really mean anything unless everyone plays by the same rules and some international laws don't really help America so why should we bother to care.
You can try to compare America to Nazi Germany all you want but you will only sound like a full fledge member of the tin foil helmet brigade. Go find a survivor of the holocaust, nazi occupation in Belgium, France, or Poland talk to them and see if they agree. Or heck we don't even have to go Nazi Germany I'll give you the Soviet block find any of those people and ask for their perspective. If they don't laugh in your face I'll give you a cookie or a medal your choice. | |
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Posted: 3/29/2007 5:53:47 AM |
You can try to compare America to Nazi Germany all you want but you will only sound like a full fledge member of the tin foil helmet brigade. Go find a survivor of the holocaust, nazi occupation in Belgium, France, or Poland talk to them and see if they agree. Or heck we don't even have to go Nazi Germany I'll give you the Soviet block find any of those people and ask for their perspective. If they don't laugh in your face I'll give you a cookie or a medal your choice.
I agree with that totally. I have not been a supporter of Bush (except for two things: 1. early on, he was committed to improving relations with Mexico which might have influenced the illegal immigrant problem - 9/11 took his eye off that ball, and 2. his decision to go to the UN to get the sanctions back on Iraq was a good move - I don't need to comment on the mistakes he made after that) ... however, to say we approach Nazi Germany is far off the mark. Our checks and balances do work.. as does term limiting president (and I am not in favor of legislative term limits) and freedom of speech and press.
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Posted: 3/29/2007 7:05:21 AM | Ah, she sent a letter how nice, but I would think she would be trying to evacuate the people out of New Orleans and get her own national guard up and running to the situation. Once again there is plenty of blame to go around for everyone involved, but you chose to put the blame on one man for not seeing the future and being ominpotent enough to steer us past that one and this is what I mainly take issue with.
Well, perhaps Blanco might have had more success, had the majority of the state's National Guard not have been stationed in.....Iraq.
Earlier this month the Louisiana National Guard publicly complained that too much of its equipment was in Iraq. The local ABC news affiliate reported dozens of high water vehicles, Humvees, refuelers and generators are now abroad. Other states are facing shortfalls as well when facing fires, floods or other disasters. A few months before summer began, Montana's governor called for that state's National Guard to be brought home from Iraq because of possible wildfires. As is the case with Louisiana's Guard, Montana found that critical equipment was overseas in Iraq. This included the bulk of the Guard's helicopters which are critical in shuttling fire crews and equipment to blazes.
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/08/30/1354257
Blanco's letter stated that :
Pursuant to 44 CFR § 206.35, I have determined that this incident is of such severity and magnitude that effective response is beyond the capabilities of the State and affected local governments, and that supplementary Federal assistance is necessary to save lives, protect property, public health, and safety, or to lessen or avert the threat of a disaster. I am specifically requesting emergency protective measures, direct Federal Assistance, Individual and Household Program (IHP) assistance, Special Needs Program assistance, and debris removal.
http://www.gov.state.la.us/
Press_Release_detail.asp?id=976
http://pundita.blogspot.com/2005/09/governor-blancos-letter-to-president.html
August 27, 2005
If a state representative says the situation is out of control - that means it's...out of control. Silly to suggest that she could handle something that she had already stated she could not - hence the need to pre-advise BEFORE the storm hit land.
Katrina made landfall on Monday, August 29, two days after Bush was given full authority under the Stafford Act to assign DoD assests for the task of relief. Under Stafford, the DoD has the right to act directly - unless that comprimises it's mission.
In fact, the President is on video, BEFORE the storm hit, at a meeting discussion exactly how bad it was going to be.
Video showing President George W Bush being warned on the eve of Hurricane Katrina that New Orleans' flood defences could be overcome has emerged.
The footage, obtained by the Associated Press, also shows Mr Bush being told of the risk to evacuees in the Superdome.
Speaking by video link from his Texan holiday ranch on 28 August, Mr Bush tells federal disaster officials: "We are fully prepared to help."
"We're going to need everything that we can possibly muster, not only in this state and in the region, but the nation, to respond to this event," Mr Brown says.
Earlier the Associated Press said Mr Bush had been warned of the levees being breached in the video.
But subsequently it issued a clarification which said that the president was warned about water overrunning the levees rather than breaking them.
The Army Corps of Engineers considers a breach a hole developing in a levee rather than an overrun.
'Very, very grave'
Another official, Max Mayfield of the National Hurricane Center, tells the final briefing that storm models predict minimal flooding inside New Orleans during the hurricane.
But he adds that the possibility that anticlockwise winds and storm surges could cause the levees at Lake Pontchartrain to be overrun afterwards is "obviously a very, very grave concern".
His concern was borne out by events when levees collapsed, letting in the floodwater disastrously.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4765058.stm
I was staying on topic I was pointing out disturbing ideas that I read in your original post that no one I had scene took issue with in 16 pages. Assertions that you choose not to back up like the national guardsman killing hundreds in NO or mass graves out in the Bayou. The paranoid tone that your messege seemed to convey about the state of New Orleans that I told your from direct experience from being in the city that you are wrong.
You may want to reread my posts. I made no such claims of mass graves or shootings. People did die, waiting for aid, and there is no excusable reason for that happening in a country with the resources that the US had. Whoever died as a direct result of the storm - that's Mother Nature. Whoever died afterwards, when help could have been there preventing such deaths ?
That's the President's fault.
You also said there are comparisons to Bush and Hilter when there are none in any realm of possiblity, and you can't point out any that I will find credible.
I've said what I've said. Your ability to find it credible or not is as valid as anyone else's in this thread.
See you can't compare someone to Hilter and make a sound arguement Bush is the guy in office during a period when we took a massive hit from outside forces that we can't directly strike against. We can try to strike back and we have to some effect, but we just weren't ready for this threat which blame can rest on the previous admistration for not having us better prepared for it.
People were briefed about the threat, and they did not respond to it. That's on the record, and cannot be denied. Could it have stopped it ?
Certainly requiring all airlines to lock their cabin doors before takeoff and until the plane was on the ground would have been all it would have taken to reduce the chances of 9/11 quite considerably. Ensuring adequate military aircraft on alert status, and forewarning them of the possibility of such an attack (and having a basic plan against it) would have helped as well.
Nothing was done, except to pass the blame onto others.
America isn't the lord of all nations but we are the most wealthy, powerful, and influencial country in the world. Which means we have interest in all the world's affairs and to try to act accordingly although not always to the best effect.
American politicians have declared themselves to be the world's only superpower. That is, in all practical areas, proclaiming yourself "lord of all nations". The problem becomes when one decides that one can act unilaterally, and without any concern for the effect of one's actions on anyone else on the planet.
International law is my favorite when people trott that dead horse out.
That nag ain't dead, in most western democracies.
Country's around the world flaunt international law everyday how about your buddies in Iran they don't seem to care about the proliferation of nuclear technology or weapons.
Iranians aren't my buddies.
Why was so little concern made about nuclear weapons when the Saudi's bankrolled the Pakistani nuclear program ? With billions given, do you really think they got nothing concrete out of the deal ?
Why were no question asked when the Saudi's bought long range missles from North Korea ? Created a top secret missile base ? That those missiles they bought had targeting errors (CEP) that effectively made them worthless with conventional explosive warheads ?
They are telling the British right now to sit and twist while they will capture British sailors on thier whem. International law doesn't really mean anything unless everyone plays by the same rules and some international laws don't really help America so why should we bother to care.
I think you need to take a look at the waterway involved, and the problems of claiming territoriality there.
You can try to compare America to Nazi Germany all you want but you will only sound like a full fledge member of the tin foil helmet brigade.
Again, read my posts. They stand on their own merit, regardless of what you may or may not think of them.
Go find a survivor of the holocaust, nazi occupation in Belgium, France, or Poland talk to them and see if they agree.
Excellent idea ....
Done.
Read the following article, by a person who lost family member's under Hitler - and whose own parent's were directly involved.
The Bush Hitler Thing
t r u t h o u t | Reader Submission
Friday 09 January 2004
Dear Sir,
My family was one of Hitler's victims. We lost a lot under the Nazi occupation, including an uncle who died in the camps and a cousin killed by a booby trap. I was terrified when my father went ballistic after finding my brother and me playing with a hand grenade. (I was only 12 at the time, and my brother insisted the grenade was safe.) I remember the rubble and the hardships of 'austerity' - and the bomb craters from Allied bombs. As late as the 1980s, I had to take detours while bombs were being removed - they litter the countryside, buried under parking lots,buildings, and in the canals and rivers to this day. Believe me, I learned a lot about Hitler while I was growing up, both in Europe and here in the US - both my parents were in the war and talked about it constantly, unlike most American families. I spent my earliest years with the second-hand fear that trickled down from their PTSD - undiagnosed and untreated in those days.
I'm no expert on WWII - but I learned a lot about what happened in Germany - and Europe - back in those days. I always wondered how the wonderful German people - so honest, decent, hard-working, friendly, and generous - could ever allow such a thing to happen. (There were camps near my family's home - they still talk about them only in hushed conspiratorial whispers.) I asked a lot of questions - we were only a few kilometers from the German border - and no one ever denied me. My relatives had obviously spent a lot of time thinking about the war - they still haven't forgotten - I don't think anyone can forget such a horrible nightmare
So why, now, when I hear GWB's speeches, do I think of Hitler? Why have I drawn a parallel between the Nazis and the present administration? Just one small reason -the phrase 'Never forget'. Never let this happen again. It is better to question our government - because it really can happen here - than to ignore the possibility.
So far, I've seen nothing to eliminate the possibility that Bush is on the same course as Hitler. And I've seen far too many analogies to dismiss the possibility. The propaganda. The lies. The rhetoric. The nationalism. The flag waving. The pretext of 'preventive war'. The flaunting of international law and international standards of justice. The disappearances of 'undesirable' aliens. The threats against protesters. The invasion of a non-threatening sovereign nation. The occupation of a hostile country. The promises of prosperity and security. The spying on ordinary citizens. The incitement to spy on one's neighbors - and report them to the government. The arrogant triumphant pride in military conquest. The honoring of soldiers. The tributes to 'fallen warriors. The diversion of money to the military. The demonization of government appointed 'enemies'. The establishment of 'Homeland Security'. The dehumanization of 'foreigners'. The total lack of interest in the victims of government policy. The incarceration of the poor and mentally ill. The growing prosperity from military ventures. The illusion of 'goodness' and primacy. The new einsatzgrupen forces. Assassination teams. Closed extralegal internment camps. The militarization of domestic police. Media blackout of non-approved issues. Blacklisting of protesters - including the no-fly lists and photographing dissenters at rallies.
There isn't much doubt in my mind - anyone who compares the history of Hitler's rise to power and the progression of recent events in the US cannot avoid the parallels. It's incontrovertible. Is Bush another Hitler? Maybe not, but with each incriminating event, the parallel grows -it certainly cannot be dismissed. There's too much evidence already. Just as Hitler used American tactics to plan and execute his reign, it looks as if Karl Rove is reading Hitler's playbook to plan world domination - and that is the stated intent of both. From the Reichstag fire to the landing at Nuremberg to the motto of "Gott Mit Uns" to the unprovoked invasion and occupation of Iraq to the insistence that peace was the ultimate goal, the line is unbroken and unwavering.
I'm afraid now, that what may still come to pass is a reign far more savage and barbaric than that of the Nazis. Already, appeasement has been fruitless - it only encourages the brazen to escalate their arrogance and braggadocio. Americans support Bush - by a generous majority - and mass media sings his praises while indicting his detractors - or silencing their opinions completely. The American people seem to care only about the domestic economic situation - and even in that, they are in complete denial. They don't want to hear about Iraq, and Afghanistan is already forgotten. Even the Democratic opposition supports the occupation of Iraq. Everyone seems to agree that Saddam Hussein deserves to be executed -with or without a trial. 'Visitors' are fingerprinted. Guilty until proven innocent. Snipers are on New York City rooftops. When do the Stryker teams start appearing on American streets? They're perfectly suited for 'Homeland Security' - and they've had a trial run in Iraq. The Constitution has been suspended - until further notice.****Cheney just mentioned it may be for decades - even a generation, as Rice asserts as well. Is this the start of the 1000 year reign of this new collection of thugs? So it would seem.
I can only hope that in the coming year there will be some sign - some hint - that we are not becoming that which we abhor. The Theory of the Grotesque fares all too well these days. It may not be Nazi Germany - it might be a lot worse.
- SL | Wisconsin
http://www.truthout.org/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi/4/3201
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| Is the USA in danger of becomeing as bad as Nazi Germany *
Posted: 3/29/2007 3:38:37 PM | | I don't believe the USA is in danger of becoming as Nazi as the germans were. However, I do believe the American people have demonstrated over the last few years how easily they can be led around by the nose!....which is pretty scary. When Bush cried "Terrorist" after 9/11 and fed the line of B$ he had to the American people....nobody asked questions?....When he went against the UN and stated that "If any nation is not with us, they are with the terrorist's"....nobody in the US questioned it?.....I am a Canadian, and I was relieved to see that our poloticians weren't easily hog-tied by the US at the time. Now that the reporting on the news is more impartial and some of the smoke that Bush blew up every Americans a$$ has cleared, it is a different picture than the one Bill O'riley and Anne Coultre painted in the beginning....funny qoute I heard about Anne Coultre (this comes from a journalist with the NYT I think)....."covering Anne Coultre is like covering Paris Hilton".........It boggles my mind to see how many Americans can't see the wool that was pulled over their face..BTW.....how many of the terrorists involved in 9/11 lived in Iraq?.....I bet Bush and a few of his cronies sit back in the oval office and are astonished at how easy this war was to start..... | |
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| Is the USA in danger of becomeing as bad as Nazi Germany
Posted: 3/30/2007 12:39:26 AM | You may want to reread my posts. I made no such claims of mass graves or shootings. People did die, waiting for aid, and there is no excusable reason for that happening in a country with the resources that the US had. Whoever died as a direct result of the storm - that's Mother Nature. Whoever died afterwards, when help could have been there preventing such deaths ?
That's the President's fault.
Sorry confused you with the thread starter who did make such claims my bad, but like I said you can blame the President all you want doesn't mean that blame rest squarely on his shoulders. Although I understand why he gets all the blame he is in charge and he gets all the credit when things go right (see Bill Clinton as instant example) and all the blame when things go bad even if he has very limited control of the situation because we expect our leaders to be ominpotent when they are not they're just people like the rest of us(see Grant, Herbert Hoover, and Jimmy Carter as examples of Presidents in situations they just couldn't control).
I have lived in the Gulf Coast region and been through many hurricanes the disaster that hit almost 2 years ago was unparralled by any hurricane in the last decade even Andrew back in 92 I think wasn't as damaging. It wasn't just New Orleans that got hit Mississppi, Texas and Alabama all to a brunt of that storm New Orleans was just the poster child for it. Once again plenty of blame to go around on all levels, but painting Bush as being the sole heartless, Hilter-esque figure that denied those people aid is ridiculous and lets a lot of other people off the hook. The mayor of New Orleans and the Governor could've evacutated hundreds if not thousands if they wanted too, but they like the admistration decided to wait it out and after the storm hit everything seemed fine until 2 days later when the levees broke flooding the parts of the city built below sea level.
Earlier the Associated Press said Mr Bush had been warned of the levees being breached in the video.
But subsequently it issued a clarification which said that the president was warned about water overrunning the levees rather than breaking them.
The Army Corps of Engineers considers a breach a hole developing in a levee rather than an overrun
Just like in those few memoranda that point towards the terrorist attacks on 9/11 you over simplify what the man was actually told. He was told that water might overflow the levees not that they'd actually burst causing mass destruction killing all those people. If they overrun then the flooding is incredibly less severe and most property is left intact so you have time to gather the equipment and people who are headed down there to give relief. I have to believe if he was told that they levees will break causing widespread devastation and death then he would've moved everything in as swiftly as possible. The 9/11 memoranda are the same they say something might happen and that it might involve planes but it gives no specific details that 18 men will willingly give there lives to kill 3000 innocent civilians. Over simplification of complex problems with innsuffient data due in part to the scaling back of the CIA by the previous admistration.
Why was so little concern made about nuclear weapons when the Saudi's bankrolled the Pakistani nuclear program ? With billions given, do you really think they got nothing concrete out of the deal ?
Why were no question asked when the Saudi's bought long range missles from North Korea ? Created a top secret missile base ? That those missiles they bought had targeting errors (CEP) that effectively made them worthless with conventional explosive warheads ?
No questions were probably ask when the Saudi's bought them because they haven't started any wars lately. Besides if they were buying long range rockets from North Korea that's kind of laughable it's like buying the Pinto of missle technology. Well the Pakastani's Nuclear program came into being during a different admistration and Bush can't hardly be held responsible for the failings of past Presidents or wait yes he can. I have looked at the waterway involved and the British as far as I can see are right, and you know what I trust them more the the freaking Iranians. So even if they are wrong I give them more crediblity than a theocratic regime that denies the holocaust, and want's to finish what Hitler started by eradicating an entire race of people.
The few people I've had the privledge of hearing any WWII stories from paint different pictures about Nazi Germany and the America I live, work, and experience everyday is not even close to that regime. Posting a letter from an unsubstainated source off a website that is just to the left of Karl Marx what next are you going to cite Wikiapedia as a trusted source for the truth? If experience, the dozens of books, and the half dozen history courses I've taken hadn't told me other wise then I'd believe you about the comparison between the US and the Nazis. If you have ever been to Auschwitz and walked around you'd know that no other civilization in the World's recorded history has ever or will be as evil as the one that existed between 1933-1945. That place is just evil. | |
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| Is the USA in danger of becomeing as bad as Nazi Germany
Posted: 3/30/2007 12:59:27 AM | He was told that water might overflow the levees not that they'd actually burst causing mass destruction killing all those people. If they overrun then the flooding is incredibly less severe and most property is left intact so you have time to gather the equipment and people who are headed down there to give relief. I have to believe if he was told that they levees will break causing widespread devastation and death then he would've moved everything in as swiftly as possible.
In dramatic and sometimes agonizing terms, federal disaster officials warned President Bush and his homeland security chief before Hurricane Katrina struck that the storm could breach levees, put lives at risk in New Orleans' Superdome and overwhelm rescuers, according to confidential video footage.
The tapes of video teleconferences were recorded over two days: the Sunday before Katrina hit and the Monday it stormed ashore along the Gulf Coast, CBS News correspondent Bob Orr reports.
Mr. Bush didn't ask a single question during the final briefing before Katrina struck on Aug. 29, but he assured soon-to-be-battered state officials: "We are fully prepared."
The footage, along with seven days of transcripts of briefings obtained by The Associated Press, show in detail that while federal officials anticipated the tragedy that unfolded in New Orleans and elsewhere along the Gulf Coast, they were fatally slow to realize they had not mustered enough resources to deal with the disaster.
Linked by secure video, Mr. Bush's confidence on Aug. 28 starkly contrasts with the dire warnings his disaster chief and a cacophony of federal, state and local officials provided during the four days before the storm.
A top hurricane expert voiced "grave concerns" about the levees and then-Federal Emergency Management Agency chief Michael Brown told the president and Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff that he feared there weren't enough disaster teams to help evacuees at the Superdome.
"I'm concerned about ... their ability to respond to a catastrophe within a catastrophe," Brown told his bosses the afternoon before Katrina made landfall.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/03/01/katrina/main1361404.shtml
One snippet captures a missed opportunity on Aug. 28 for the government to have dispatched active-duty military troops to the region to augment the National Guard.
Chertoff: "Are there any DOD assets that might be available? Have we reached out to them?"
Brown: "We have DOD assets over here at EOC (emergency operations center). They are fully engaged. And we are having those discussions with them now."
Chertoff: "Good job."
In fact, active duty troops weren't dispatched until days after the storm. And many states' National Guards had yet to be deployed to the region despite offers of assistance, and it took days before the Pentagon deployed active-duty personnel to help overwhelmed Guardsmen.
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0301-08.htm
Had terrorists blown the levees, without ANY warning, the situation would have been far worse. Had they detonated a WMD in a major city, the same thing would have occurred.
This, after years of claiming that they were doing everything possible to protect Americans.
When people need help, they need help. When local authorities are in a situation they themselves cannot control, and admit the same BEFORE the event, the ball IS in the President's court.
He dropped it.
His primary rules were: never allow the public to cool off; never admit a fault or wrong; never concede that there may be some good in your enemy; never leave room for alternatives; never accept blame; concentrate on one enemy at a time and blame him for everything that goes wrong; people will believe a big lie sooner than a little one; and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it.
- OSS report page 51
Seems to apply quite well to both men, actually.
It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation.
- Adolph Hitler, "Mein Kampf" | |
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| Is the USA in danger of becomeing as bad as Nazi Germany
Posted: 3/30/2007 1:37:57 AM |
Earlier the Associated Press said Mr Bush had been warned of the levees being breached in the video.
But subsequently it issued a clarification which said that the president was warned about water overrunning the levees rather than breaking them.
The Army Corps of Engineers considers a breach a hole developing in a levee rather than an overrun
Okay this is from the first piece of evidence you offered to say that Bush had to have a concrete idea that the levees would break. The you offer this new one...
In dramatic and sometimes agonizing terms, federal disaster officials warned President Bush and his homeland security chief before Hurricane Katrina struck that the storm could breach levees, put lives at risk in New Orleans' Superdome and overwhelm rescuers, according to confidential video footage.
The tapes of video teleconferences were recorded over two days: the Sunday before Katrina hit and the Monday it stormed ashore along the Gulf Coast, CBS News correspondent Bob Orr reports.
Mr. Bush didn't ask a single question during the final briefing before Katrina struck on Aug. 29, but he assured soon-to-be-battered state officials: "We are fully prepared."
The footage, along with seven days of transcripts of briefings obtained by The Associated Press, show in detail that while federal officials anticipated the tragedy that unfolded in New Orleans and elsewhere along the Gulf Coast, they were fatally slow to realize they had not mustered enough resources to deal with the disaster.
Linked by secure video, Mr. Bush's confidence on Aug. 28 starkly contrasts with the dire warnings his disaster chief and a cacophony of federal, state and local officials provided during the four days before the storm.
A top hurricane expert voiced "grave concerns" about the levees and then-Federal Emergency Management Agency chief Michael Brown told the president and Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff that he feared there weren't enough disaster teams to help evacuees at the Superdome.
"I'm concerned about ... their ability to respond to a catastrophe within a catastrophe," Brown told his bosses the afternoon before Katrina made landfall.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/03/01/katrina/main1361404.shtml
But both are from the same story. Why do you offer up these news stories like they are daming evidence when they contain a retraction that President Bush was told that a possiblity existed that the levees would over flow not break. Do you think I can't read or do you think that I am stupid? This is not evidence of heartless neglect it just says he was given a briefing on possible out effects of the storm which did not include the possiblity of the levees breaking which is the critical idea missing from both stories. In the original story the first one you posted which the second is based off of the Associated press issued a retraction did you not read it? Why did they issue a retraction becuase to state otherwise is a lie, and they know it so should you.
I might answer the rest later if you can clarify this idiotic response to my post when I punched gaping holes in your logic. You should just realize I am not an idealogue and I'm not stupid I can see this argument from all angles while you only see it from one which makes any argument you put forth fundamentally wrong. President Bush will never be considered a great President, but he his not a Nazi nor can he be compared to Hilter. | |
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| Is the USA in danger of becomeing as bad as Nazi Germany
Posted: 3/30/2007 2:27:17 AM | We are both from America and there is no difference between the freedoms we have and the one's Canadians enjoy.
I was simply making a joke. I'm scratching my itch to slap around idealogues who post on an internet dating site their worldly views about my Country and president. I'm sure we are of the same mind on this ludacris thread. | |
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| Is the USA in danger of becomeing as bad as Nazi Germany
Posted: 3/30/2007 5:09:30 AM |
In the original story the first one you posted which the second is based off of the Associated press issued a retraction did you not read it? Why did they issue a retraction becuase to state otherwise is a lie, and they know it so should you.
If I understand it correctly, it was at that time they printed the retraction, and recent developments show they were wrong to do so.
President Bush will never be considered a great President, but he his not a Nazi nor can he be compared to Hilter.
Apparently he can be compared to Hitler, because it is done all the time. | |
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| Is the USA in danger of becomeing as bad as Nazi Germany
Posted: 3/30/2007 9:38:59 PM | If I understand it correctly, it was at that time they printed the retraction, and recent developments show they were wrong to do so.
No, they weren't it's the same story that is comming out of a different news organization namely CBS and they put there own spin on the Associated press story to pander to idoits and so adviors that gave bad advice can cover their own asses.
The unnamed hurricane expert in the CBS story is the named guy in the Associated Press article that predicted MINIMAL flooding.
Apparently he can be compared to Hitler, because it is done all the time.
Yep it is done all the time by idiots. | |
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| Is the USA in danger of becomeing as bad as Nazi Germany
Posted: 3/31/2007 6:43:24 AM |
No, they weren't it's the same story that is comming out of a different news organization namely CBS and they put there own spin on the Associated press story to pander to idoits and so adviors that gave bad advice can cover their own asses.
If there is a second article, by a second news organization, then it obviously isn't the same story. Even you yourself acknowledged this. Here is your opening statement from post 395;
"Okay this is from the first piece of evidence you offered to say that Bush had to have a concrete idea that the levees would break. The you offer this new one..."
Yep it is done all the time by idiots.
As you get older, hopefully you'll realize that the people who have learned from history are not the idiots. Maybe Bush is the second coming of Hitler, maybe he isn't. Only the future will reveal this. However, to people who don't have blinders on, there are numerous similarities.
Both led their population to believe that many of their nation's problems can be blamed on a certain people.
Both reduced the freedoms of their population, claiming it was for their protection.
Both dramatically increased military spending and operations.
Both caused the invasion of a country, falsely claiming it was a threat.
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