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| Is the USA in danger of becomeing as bad as Nazi Germany
Posted: 8/10/2006 4:50:47 PM | No they don't go after the common man but if they think you are an effective political force they do take actions to suppress what people say.
You summed it up perfectly, and when they start arresting everyone that isnt a republican, we will see what happens.
and oppressed is also a subjective term, you could say that the common american is oppressed because we spend our lives working for greedy corporations that spend their money to help themselves oppress the very people that work for them. As history has shown, every government has oppressed its people in some way, it happens, power corrputs.
the funny thing about history....its written by the victors. always makes me think how many truths are left out becase they paint a different picture. | |
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| Is the USA in danger of becomeing as bad as Nazi Germany
Posted: 8/10/2006 7:48:55 PM |
If it doesn't follow the same philosophies then it's not the same kind of government.
You've missed the point.
There are numerous examples of authoritarian and fascist gov't that did not follow the exact same philosophies as the Nazis but they were just as bad in terms of their totalitarianism.
The primary and most odious element of Nazi philosophy that set Nazi Germany apart from many other authoritarian and fascist gov'ts was the philosophy of racial purity and inherent superiority over all other peoples. These are not necessary to be just as bad in terms of authoritarianism. | |
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Posted: 8/10/2006 8:19:41 PM | "No, Hitler was definitely not a genius. Napoleon actually was one." I don't know. Actually I have heard some historians refer to Hitler as a genius. But actually the real geniuses were the people that put Hitler in power. Originally he was just suppose to be a figure head and was chosen because of his charisma. But later on Hitler was out of control and those in the Nazi party had to go along with him.
As far as Napoleon I am basing what I have said by what I heard from a program about his life on the PBS. What I was referring to his he did have spies everywhere and a system in place that would get these spies to turn in people who talk against his state. People in France at the time had to watch what they said in public. He also was an ego maniac. He did do good things for France like build parks and put in place an efficient system of government. Was also the first to apply bureaucracy. But in the beginning the Nazis took a failing German economy and rebuilt it. So they had their pluses also
"Have you ever heard of the Napoleonic code?" Yes I lived in Louisiana for years which is the only state in the USA to base its law on French law and not English law. To be honest I found it sucked and was very oppressive. Just my opinion.
As far as Napoleon being a military genius is without a doubt. Right up there with Alexander the great. But to glamorize men who were efficient at conquering other nations I think is clouding history. Today Napoleon would be considered wrong to go after other counties but some historians want to glamorize a man who thought of his own glory and got untold people killed in wars that would not have died other wise and did little to help those other countries except exploit them for the home country. Personally I respect the saints, thinkers, peace makers, artist and defenders of conquers and look at the conquers as just glamorized killers. But you are probably right that Napoleon did have some good sides that Hitler didn't and am a bit off in that last post.
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Posted: 8/10/2006 9:11:13 PM | your analogies are so broad they could apply to anything.
Every kind of government will, of course, have various levels of authoritarianism, propaganda, etc. Putting them all together, will tell you what kind of government you have. The main thing that makes Fascism different than Communism, Monarchism, Totalitarianism, or any other kind of authoritarian government, is that it's corporate based. A corporate elite basically runs the show. Just look at all the corporate lobby groups, corporate welfare, "think tanks" loaded with corporate execs, and corporate politicians in the US government. Look at how closely tied corporate interests are linked to government policy.
This is all judgemental as to what you'd consider "as bad as" means. Is it the numbers? Is it simply devaluing others' (non-Germans, non-Americans) lives?
US involvement in atrocities...
Haiti - 1964 backed 22 years of opression under the Duvaliers...20,000-60,000 Haitians killed; 2004 backs coup over Aristide (wanted to raise corporate sweat shop wages, by a whole dollar....a day)
Iraq - 1963 Backed 20 of Saddam's 40 years in politics...150,000 and 340,000 Iraqis and between 450,000 and 730,000 Iranians killed; Backed sanctions...1+ million Iraqis killed;
Chile - 1973 CIA coup over democratically elected Salvador Allende. Backed 17 years of oppression, under Pinochet. Thousands killed.
Cambodia - 1970 9 years of US bombings and support for Pol Pot...1.7 million killed.
Iran - 1953 CIA coup over democratically appointed Mossadegh. Backed 25 years of oppression, under Shah. Thousands killed.
Indonesia - 1967 Backed 30 years of oppression and genocide, under Suharto...1-2 million killed.
Cuba - 1933 Backed 26 years of oppression, 17 under Batista.
Guatemala - Backs dictators from 1901-1944. 1954 CIA coup over democratically elected Arbenz. Backs 40 years of deaths squads...200000 killed. 1999 Clinton actually apologizes for US policy in Guatemala.
Bolivia - 1957 Gestapo war criminal, Klaus Barbie, working for the US, assists military regimes through to the 80s. 1967 US Backed execution of Che. 1985 IMF has basically taken over Bolivian economy.
Laos - CIA backs numerous coups. 1969-73 cluster bombings, leaving 1 in every 400 people amputees.
Venezuela - 1948 US backed coup over democratically elected Gallegos. Supports decades of oppression. 2002 attempted coup on democratically elected Chavez.
Nicaragua - 1967 US backs 12 years of oppression, under Debayle. 1982-91 US supports executions, torture, and coersion against political oppostion. Backs Contras. 1986 Nicaragua takes US to court at the Hague. US loses, asked to stop interfering in Nicaraguan politics. 1987-88 UN declares US owes Nicaragua reparations. US never pays. Nicarauga left with highest per capita debt, in the world.
Dominican - 1930 US backs 30 years of oppression, under Molina. Numerous atrocities, including massacre of 20000 Haitian refugees. 1963 US backed coup over elected Bosch. 1965-6 military intervention to supress uprising...2000 Killed.
Israel - continued backing of opressive regime, thousands dead, millions displaced.
Etc. etc.
Not to mention proxy torture, and stuff.
So, what constitutes "as bad as"? Just numbers, or an overall policy?
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Posted: 8/10/2006 9:18:20 PM | Well, look at the baselines of both countries in the OP's premise.
Let's compare qualities presented to an outside viewer of them ( and, as I've said, I don't agree with the comparison as posted).
- An "enemy" that must be defeated, one that is essentially a non-entity in any real way. Jews were seen as the "evil" then, " Islamic facism" the enemy today. Islam itself is under attack.
- Both governments push a vision of the world on other nations to "better" them, including the use of military force. Invasions were launched based on ficticious information, used to convince the electorate.
- Both governments are essentially right wing extremist in their views - with religious overtones carefully worked in to support their platforms.
We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.
In this world him who does not abandon himself the Almighty will not desert. Him who helps himself will the Almighty always also help; He will show him the way by which he can gain his rights, his freedom, and therefore his future.
Remain strong in your faith, as you were in former years. In this faith, in its close-knit unity our people to-day goes straight forward on its way and no power on earth will avail to stop it.
God the Almighty has made our nation. By defending its existence we are defending His work....
Only He can relieve me of this duty Who called me to it.
Bush...or Hitler ? ( Hitler, btw)
- Both governments argue for the use of torture and suppression of civil rights to ensure "security".
- Both government's political leader's interfered with military operations.
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Posted: 8/11/2006 11:45:53 AM | Leif, I have most of yours and the other postings on this thread and I agree with almost everything you say. You may not be the brightest person, but you certainly have done your homework and your thinking is very logical.
The question may be, "Is the USA in danger of becoming worse than Nazi Germany?" We are not just like Nazi Germany, but in many ways we are as bad and our history may be worse. Hitler killed 6 million Jews, but we killed just as many Native Americans and violated every treaty we made with them. Lincoln and the north invaded the south resulting in untold deaths and don't by into the silly excuse that it was over slavery.
The USA is the only country to use the atomic bomb and against innocent civilians no less. Further we are bulling the world with our nuclear weapons. We have a higher prison rate than almost any other country in the world and most of the prisons are horrible places full of cruel and unusual punishments such as rape, denying basic medical care, and forcing inmates to work at slave labor to obtain basic necessities. It is one thing to lock people up and even make it tough. It is quite another thing to engage in such extreme demeaning and inhuman punishments that, instead of rehabilitation, the inmates are released far worse and more prone to commit crimes than when they entered.
The people of the USA are not free. We have the same freedoms that other repressive allow. We have the freedom to copulate, associate with friends, go to school and work, to obey the rules, carry and show your identification papers when asked, and travel to approved places. Although, the degree may less restrictive, people in most dictatorships have the same freedoms. However, try going to Cuba without permission and see how quickly you land in jail.
We can criticize and complain without being arrested because the powers that rule know that gives the impression of freedom and since they one the media they can easily pass of such people as nuts. However, become influential enough to be a threat and you will be punished or killed. John Kennedy is the last president that dared to refer to the USA as a republic. I don’t have any proof, but I believe that he wanted to restore our constitutional republic is the reason he was killed and no doubt the reason Robert Kennedy was killed. I believe the powers killed Martin Luther King because he was becoming too influential.
The media demolished Ross Perot when he became a threat. To become elected to major offices you must be a good Democrat or a good Republican otherwise you will not receive media coverage. Only Republicans and Democrats are guaranteed a place on the ballot and other parties are denied any opportunity to be in the presidential debates. Further, their conventions do not receive near the media coverage.
The powers don’t care about abortions, flag burning, Clinton’s sex history, minimum wage, or gay marriages. However, most people do and that is the only difference between Republicans and Democrats. Otherwise, their votes are much the same. Even their favorable talk doesn’t mean they are really for it. Take Republicans and gun right that they all claim to support. Since Bush has been in office, the Republicans control the executive, both houses of congress, the Supreme Court, and most of the Governors; yet not one of the [I believe] 20,000 gun laws have been repealed or overturned by the courts. The Republicans did allow one minor gun law to expire without being renewed.
We don’t have a free press. We have press owned by the powers, apparently the Federal Reserve which is no more Federal than Federal Express, masquerading as a free press. They don’t mind the New York Times taking a liberal position and the Wall Street Journal taking a conservative position; however, when it concerns the interest of the powers, they speak as one voice. | |
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Posted: 8/11/2006 5:16:18 PM | As far as Napoleon I am basing what I have said by what I heard from a program about his life on the PBS.
I was not responding to your post. I was responding to the post by Newguyinventura that compared Hitler (as an individual) to Napoleon (as an individual). This was more a comparison of personalities than regimes. Hitler was nowhere near as intelligent as Napoleon. I'm not just saying that because I don't approve of what Hitler did. Hitler was not an original or innovative thinker, Napoleon was. What the Nazis did which temporarilly improved life in Germany was not the result of sound economic planning. It was simply what happens when you get 5/6ths of the population to murder and loot what happened to be the wealthiest 1/6th; the Jews. The Nazis also murdered the majority of the mentally handicapped and inferm Germans. So what if this helped the economy? This did not require a brain-trust.
If the citizens in the United States with brown eyes ate and looted all of the people with blue eyes this would also help the US economy, probably dramatically. Does that make it creative? No. Its grotesque. | |
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Posted: 8/11/2006 6:31:56 PM | | Majestic_Lizard_Returns Thats cool. There really is no comparision between Hilter and Napoleon . You are right. I just wanted to bring out Napoleon was not a great man like Bejamin Frnklin and had his fault. But I agree that Napoleon was not as bad as Hitler and he did do some good things. Sorry If I got defensive. | |
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| Is the USA in danger of becomeing as bad as Nazi Germany
Posted: 8/11/2006 6:37:58 PM |
The fascists are truely the occupying militant islamists. Hezbolah, Hammas, PLO, Al-Qaeda,
Taliban, Democrats, Liberals its all the same.
USA are the non-Arab, non-Muslim OCCUPIERS of the Middle East. The same goes for Israel who has been occupying the West Bank and Gaza for far longer.
Hizballah are Lebanese in Lebanon. Hamas and PLO are Palestinians in Palestine. Taliban are Afghanis in Afghanistan. Democrats and Liberals are Americans in America. Al-Qaeda are an imaginary terror network created by our government to delegitimize the Arab/Muslim resistance against the true occupiers.
Get it right next time.
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Posted: 8/11/2006 7:00:29 PM |
Cloud it anyway you want.
The terrorists were in the planes on 911 and not the freedom fighters of WWII.
The US in the Middle East has been freeing people oppressed by vicious dictators and murderous tribal warlords.
Hardly a comparison to NAZI Germany.
Looks like someone didn't read his history book.
Hitler was invading other countries to free them from Marxist ideologies that he believed to be foreign and jewish. His belief was to create a greater Germany free of all the elements that corrupts the world. The NAZIS also blamed all leftists for the Reichstag fire and spread FEAR to the German people that the leftists were trying to start a revolution.
Now here we are AGAIN. USA thinking they know what is best in life. Being arrogant and greedy. Thinking that war is peace. Thinking that they know who the bad elements are. Thinking that their bombs bring "democracy". Thinking that their troops bring "peace". Thinking that ATTACKING others is "self-defense". Thinking that to do nothing is to aid the "terrorists".
Looks like the same people who VOTED for HITLER out of FEAR, are now voting for him again! | |
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Posted: 8/11/2006 7:21:23 PM | Al-Qaeda are an imaginary terror network Al-Qaeda is real. They blew up the world trade center which is IN AMERICA. People did not vote for Hitler out of fear, they voted for him because they were illiterate and he was a good con artist. He was a very popular man until the Nazis started going ape-sh!t.
It is true that Al-Qaeda has been turned into a convenient excuse for the Bush administration to undermine the constitution. Yet, there is a real Al-Qaeda. If you don't believe it than just ask the relatives of the 2,976 people who died as a result of the attacks on that day. You are the one who needs to get his facts straight. You ought to be ashamed of yourself. | |
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Posted: 8/12/2006 12:46:00 AM | Al-Qaida certainly exists, but there is a certain PR myth that's attached to the name.
1) 9/11 was not their "brain child", although Bin Laden did finance the plan brought to him by someone else. Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, the architect of Operation Bojinka (which was foiled in Manila), only "joined" Al-Qaida in 1999.
9/11 mastermind Khalid Shaikh Mohammed lives in the Philippines for a year, planning Operation Bojinka until the plot is exposed in January 1995 and he has to flee.
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&warning_signs:_specific_cases=bojinka
Abu Hafs al-Masri/Mohammed Atef, Bin Laden's chief of operations, arranged a meeting between Bin Laden and KSM in Tora Bora sometime in mid-1996, in which KSM outlined a plan that would eventually become the quadruple hijackings of 2001. Bin Laden urged KSM to become a full-fledged member of Al Qaeda, but he continued to refuse such a commitment until around early 1999, after the 1998 U.S. embassy bombings in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam convinced him that Bin Laden was truly committed to attacking the United States. Mohammed wished to retain some degree of autonomy as a mujahid.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalid_Shaikh_Mohammed
2) The actual name is the result of the US government referring to a computer file found during the Wolrd Trade Center bombing investigation. No one called themselves Al-Qaida before that point. They did after.
3) Bin Laden and his followers were basically failures at their original goals. They were all separate actors with nationalistic and religious motivations that wanted to start popular revolutions in their native countries - and found almost no popular support. The reason the wound up in a place like Afghanistan, is because they could only find protection there.
Initially, Al-Qaida was a loosely grouped set of individual actors , with common goals, who found themselves on the same page idealistically. Even today, it's (by all accounts I have read) a very loose "organization".
4) After 9/11, the myth that attached itself to them became a PR bonanza. That allowed them to realize that their ideology could in fact be used in much the same way as commercials are. With Jihadist websites and DVD's , they seem to have followed the same type of model that TV evangelists have used for ages.
Thanks to Iraq, and now other events like Lebanon, their power has increased geometrically. Each event that enrages the general Muslim population worldwide is used as a motivator to radicalize people. The fantasy ideology that they base themselves on is much more easily now "sold" to independant people who feel helpless and see fellow Arabs abused.
Thanks to these newest plots being discovered, as I said above, we are seeing "normal" Westerners joining the "cult" of Al-Qaida. There is even one well known American member, "Azzam the American " (Adam Pearlman ? ).
Just look at the As-Sahab Foundation for Islamic Media Publication, Al-Qaida's "media production house." 
Their releases :
List of releases
* "The Nineteen Martyrs"
* "American Hell in Afghanistan and Iraq"
* "Badr al-Riyadh: The Assault on the Crusader al-Muhaya Settlement and Discovering Important Details"
* "The Wills of the New York and Washington Battle Martyrs"
* "Statement from the Mujahid Sheikh Osama bin Laden to the American People and to the Muslims in Iraq on the Occasion of the Aggression Against Iraq - August 2003"
* "Martyrs of Confrontations on the Arabian Peninsula"
* "The Destruction of the Destroyer USS Cole"
* "War of the Oppressed"
* "Four years since the conquest of New York and Washington. A message to the people of the West
* "A Message to the Muslim Pakistani People. After the Earthquake."
* "Impediments to Jihad"
* "The Letter to the Americans: Why Do We Fight and Resist You"
* "The Victory of Islam in Iraq"
* "The Way to End the War"
* "Bajawr Massacre and the Lies of the Crusaders"
* "The Alternative is Da'wa and Jihad"
* "The Wills of the Heroes: The Martyrs of the Two Holy Places"
* "A Testimony to the Truth"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/As-Sahab
The production values of those "products" is quite high, and I really see them as being one of the main dangers of Al-Qaida. They are "infomercials", in a very real sense. They seek to appeal to a people that feel powerless with a fantasy of destruction and the "justification" of God behind it.
That aspect of Al-Qaida is most troubling, as it spreads a nihilistic Wahabi/Salafist based ideology into countries worldwide. It's effectiveness is in fact shown by the transformation of "normal" Westerners into effective terrorists rather quickly.
Give the right people those videos, expose them to a mosque with the right Wahabi/Salafist leader going to it - and you have a good chance of starting a new terrorist cell.
It's a Yin, to a neo-con Yang .....based on a false nostalgia of simpler times where stronger religious values were paramount. This myth, on both sides, is where the problem begins. | |
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| Is the USA in danger of becomeing as bad as Nazi Germany
Posted: 8/12/2006 1:41:03 AM | Al-Qaida certainly exists, but there is a certain PR myth that's attached to the name
http://www.garlicandgrass.org/issue8/Robert_Sheer.cfm
You missed the BBC documentary on 'Al-Qaida' that was broadcast on CBC....there's
some pretty convincing observations that explain that AQ is a myth created
by the CIA.
Note, also, my personal belief that the CIA is aware that OBL is dead yet want
to keep him alive by distributing his 'voice' on audio tapes (video is too easy to
debunk). We will NEVER see OBL - again! I'm convinced of it....and it's not
because he can't afford a camcorder...guess again.
The first thing the Nazi's did was provide misinformation and this is what's
happening in 2006 in America. When objective reporting becomes a casualty then
yes, this is always the first sign that the end of democracy is near.
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Posted: 8/12/2006 2:05:56 AM | Actually, I'm a big fan of "The Power Of Nightmares" . If you notice my description of AQ, it fits rather closely with the one in that documentary.
The mythologizing of the magnitude of it's power and influence (especially before it was empowered by Iraq in a HUGE way in the popular Arab world) is indeed very much like the Nazi "empowerment" of the Jewish "threat".
Create an enemy, and give him huge powers - and scare the people with it.
We've faced much more serious threats, from much more powerful enemies. We never terrorized our own people while dealing with them in the past.
By creating such things as "terror forecasts" (red...green...yellow ? ) the US government can control people. It causes the "threat" to always be there, in a subconcious manner.
London, in the midst of a serious wave of IRA terror attacks, never resorted to such a program.
People were essentially told : " We are under attack. Be careful, and report anything suspicious that you see. Have a great day."
Even the President of the US has stated ( quite correctly) that one cannot protect 100 percent against a terrorist attack. That is impossible.
A determined attacker, with the right focus and countermeasures, will always have the ability to strike at his target of choice when he so chooses - if he is willing to take the risk to do so. A single small group of people, dedicated in it's goal, is a worthy opponent.
McVeigh showed how a couple of men with that attitude could cause massive destruction rather simply - and without great cost involved.
One of the great examples of how powerless AQ really was, was that there was no immediate secondary attack in the USA after 9/11. That could have been easily done, before stricter security measures came into place. Any opponent who was going to stage a 9/11 attack, and wanted to really strike fear into America (more than they did) would have planned a follow up attack Sept. 12th - while confusion was still great.
Imagine the horror of that day, and then waking up to the news the next day that five or ten AQ terrorist cells had detonated suicide bombs in five major shopping centers all across America.
Five/ten more martyrs, some simple explosives - and a massive public shock following 9/11.
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| Is the USA in danger of becomeing as bad as Nazi Germany
Posted: 8/12/2006 2:23:34 AM | It's hard to fathom that this AQ has far reaching cells around the globe
with thousands of members including "sleeper cells" involved in this supposed global chatter....and they aren't being arrested by the dozens every bloody week. The intelligence community's answer: they don't have enough foreign language speakers - a pretty damn lame excuse to accept - as if alllll foreigners are terrorists unwilling to provide
their services.
Damn, somebody better fire the whole lot of the so-called sleeper cells, they've truly been sleeping on the job.
It's too stupid to buy into....and it's stupid because only idiot's like Cheney and
Rumsfeld are capable of coming with such a lame story line like that.
I'm willing to bet that the CIA will accuse the recent arrests in the UK as being
AQ agents despite the fact there are no links to any such cell.
EDIT: It's being reported by CNN that the UK terrorists actions had
the "hallmarks of AQ"..........hallmarks of AQ - like bombs? What exactly
does that friggin mean anyway? "hallmarks". The whole middle east
has the 'hallmarks' of the mythical AQ but it doesn't mean it exists. Now the
numb nuts are going to only remember AQ being somehow...vaguely...associated
to the UK plot, and will forget there's no hard evidence to support this
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Posted: 8/12/2006 3:07:14 AM | The threat from small groups and larger groups thing has been a threat since World War Two. But Before Bush the intelligence community didn't want the general public knowing about such threats because they did not want people living in fear of things they could not change and that were being dealt with. I know this from connections in the intelligence community. I can't offer any more credibility than that I am afraid. I can say that I read in a news paper about them finding enough cyanide in a basement in the early 80s to poison several USA cities and the paper claimed it was from a "small" revolutionary group in this country. That can be confirmed if any want to spend the time. Surely that was more of a threat than any thing the Middle East could throw at us. Also it is right that Russia and other groups presented threats much more dangerous than the Al quida.
Personally I know how easy it is to make an atomic bomb. I don't know how they have prevented a nut from blowing one off. I mean there are reports of high school students making them for science projects with everything but the plutonium. But they have and without keeping the public in fear and using it as an excuse to take constitutional rights away and give more power to the executive branch, law enforcement and the military. Even if some nut blows one off, such action from the government of compromising the principles this country was founded on will not of prevented it.
What is going on with those in power when I hear of reports of torture in our military for God sakes. It makes me wonder if there are not some behind the scenes with some sort of conspiracy to take over and give complete control to certain people in power. I never got into politics but when I heard them taking the right to a fair trial from American citizens just because they want to I have been concern for the first time in my life for the security of this country. I just hope that the right forces can stop who ever is behind this threat to our constitution and the American public wakes up before it is to late. | |
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Posted: 8/12/2006 8:38:31 AM | "Gee....me too. I make them during commerical breaks watching American Idol."
Just go on the internet and research it instead of watching American Idol and you too could know how to make your very own atomic bomb like I know the basics of how they are made. But I am not about to say how to do it myself because I don't want to contribute to the problem. | |
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Posted: 8/12/2006 1:28:56 PM | We are getting off topic here. I'm not going to argue about the existance of Al Qaeda. If you want to believe they are construct of the government or that the US government itself bombed the World Trader Center, be my guest. The topic is about the United States of America and Nazi Germany.
The United States of America does have some serious problems. The patriot act. Automated voting systems used in national elections which appear to have been compromised. A war started by a lie. A national crisis that could have been avoided (9/11).
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Posted: 8/12/2006 2:17:45 PM | "The topic is about the United States of America and Nazi Germany. "
It does involve that but it is not inclusive of that. This has been covered but the question was not are we in danger of becoming like Nazi Germany. I worded it very carefully as are we in danger of becoming as bad as Nazi Germany. The key word was as bad and not like. It was a colorful way to bring attention and open to debate all the possible ways the principles this country is founded on are in danger and how bad it could get as well as how bad it is.
I personally think that though comparisons can be found between Nazi Germany and the USA powers I think if the authorities do crimes to humanity equal in proportion to Nazi Germany it will be in their own unique way. They have learned from the mistakes as well as successes other oppressive governments have made that fail to keep their people oppressed. So please let’s not get stuck on this Nazi Germany thing and not allow other conversations about the questioned posed even though it is Fine to bring the Nazis up. Nazis are fine but so are Italy or Stalin or Rome etc or none in the past and pointing out how abuse powers may find new ways to be as bad and may being doing things as bad like tortue etc.
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Posted: 8/12/2006 3:48:18 PM | Sounds awfully like what happened in America. Americans aren't generally illiterate and Bush isn't a good con-artist. Americans didn't have good choices in the elections. It was like choosing which warner bros. cartoon villain we wanted for president. Elmer Fudd won.
During the time preceding Nazi Germany, Germany had recently been on the losing side of a World War and was in dire straights. When I say the people were functionally illiterate I mean that a large percentage of them could not read and had no secondary education.
If you want to say that the American public is stupid, that's fine. I'm not going to stoop to that level and insult you back and I would suggest others do the same.
It does involve that but it is not inclusive of that. Actually it is. Check with a moderator for clarification. You can talk about other subjects but they have to get back to the topic. Many of the last few posts have completely strayed off path. However, it appears some of the posts I am speaking of are no longer there so it really doesn't matter at this point. | |
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Posted: 8/12/2006 3:55:14 PM | *laughs at the Elmer FUdd comment*
Long and short of this topic, we are facing a VERY polarized public, and the average human wants to hear what they agree with.... whichever side they are on.
The result is you have a bunch of spoiled brats (read politiicans) and those who follow them (read mindless minions) who say one thing and anyone who dissagrees must be lying because they cant possibly be wrong when everyone around them says they are right, right?
I will admit, I see this ALOT more from the left, but that could well be because of the state Im in.
But very good point about the elections too... if Bush hating is so common, couldnt they have come up with someone better then basically an empty chair in his CURRENT job? | |
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| Is the USA in danger of becomeing as bad as Nazi Germany
Posted: 8/12/2006 5:47:22 PM | "Actually it is. Check with a moderator for clarification. You can talk about other subjects but they have to get back to the topic." The topic is America in danger of becoming AS BAD AS Nazi Germany not like Nazi Germany. There has been references to Fascist Italy. That was on topic and not deleted. There has been references to other oppressive systems that are have nothing to do with Germany. That was not deleted. There are a lot of statements of many things bad about this country and how it could get bad that have nothing to do with Nazi Germany and never meationed Nazi Germany. In other words you could cover how things could get as bad which include the present state of the country without ever bringing up Germany. Also they could get as bad in ways that are totally unrelated to Nazi Germany. I am just trying to keep it on topic which has been covered in my post 226. Everything covered on post 226 is included in the topic.
The topic is about how bad this country could get.
I just want people to understand the topic and not limit it to their interpretation of what is said instead of what is actually said. Some post do stray off the subject though and have been deleted. For clarification people may want to discuss it with the moderator. | |
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| Is the USA in danger of becomeing as bad as Nazi Germany
Posted: 8/12/2006 7:05:22 PM | Yes! For more proof see the movie, America...From Freedom To Fascism
Aaron Russo is the producer of movies such as "The Rose" that introduced Bette Midler to motion picture audiences, "Trading Places," starring Eddie Murphy and Dan Aykroyd, which has become a Christmas classic, and "Teachers," starring Nick Nolte, Morgan Freeman, and Ralph Macchio. To date his films have been nominated for six Academy Awards, as well as seven Golden Globes. His films have won three Golden Globes, as well as the Image Award.
He recently, produced, and directed a new feature film/documentary titled America...From Freedom To Fascism. The movie which exposes many of the governmental organizations and entities that have abridged the freedoms of U.S. citizens and documents how America is becoming a Police State had its international premiere at Cannes and won a standing ovation. It’s the scariest damn film you'll see this year. It will leave you staggering out of the theatre, slack-jawed and trembling. Makes 'Fahrenheit 9/11' look like 'Bambi.'
The film is scheduled to be released in September. However, the primary media refuses to acknowledge it’s existence and most major theater chains are refusing to show it. Nevertheless, the film will be released in many independent theaters across the country and grossed $90,000 this past week in test markets in New York, Chicago, Austin, Tampa and Kansas City. | |
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