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| Girls, here are some tips written by a guy (me) to show you how to spot phonies/scumbags Posted: 7/24/2006 2:47:04 PM | After reading all the posts about this thread, I am reminded of high school. Remember all the good looking girls(who also happened to be players) went out with the good looking guys(who also happened to be the biggest pr**ks in school). These guys all treated these girls (who have now I would hope have grown into women) like crap and they kept going back for more. The only thing that has changed today (30 years later) is now we use computers. The only way anyone can be sure is to meet in person and go from there. Anyone can write a good story(both sexes). Some people can come off sounding oh so smart and nice, others not so much. Steven King comes to mind. I understand he is a very nice gentleman in person, after reading his books, who in their right mind would want to meet him. Unless you are a trained profiler, with years on the job, messaging back and forth proves nothing. Adobe is also a wonderful program,and it is free. So much for a lot of pictures back and forth. Trust is somthing earned from both sides of the fence, remember that old American saying : IN GOD WE TRUST. All of us have to prove ourselves everyday, either at work or at play. Anyone who thinks niceties sent over cyberspace prove otherwise are just kidding themselves. I know I am going to get grief over this post, but I call a spade a spade and damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!!!!! Life is way to short. Meet people, have fun and learn from all your mistakes. Just remember one thing: you only learn by doing, not observing and hoping for the best. | |
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| Girls, here are some tips written by a guy (me) to show you how to spot phonies/scumbags Posted: 7/24/2006 3:09:08 PM | | No, I did try to contact him. We have talked, we're talking right now but everytime he makes plans with me it gets to that time and he doesn't call until later that night. Then he's like sorry i had to do this and i had to do that. I just don't feel like wasting my time. But then again we are just friends who had sex already so I guess maybe I'm rushing it. And now we r going to hang out so nevermind. I guess as a woman I over-reacted. | |
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| Girls, here are some tips written by a guy (me) to show you how to spot phonies/scumbags Posted: 7/24/2006 3:18:54 PM | | why hold out? that's so stupid. if u both want it, why not do it but i guess don't expect much after that. But if u do get more and it does go somewhere then great. But if u not then at least u expected "it was just sex" All of my 2 and 3 year relationships started out with having sex the first or second date. Maybe that's just me though. | |
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| Girls, here are some tips written by a guy (me) to show you how to spot phonies/scumbags Posted: 7/24/2006 3:31:52 PM | | I mean if u really do want to pursue something with someone then i guess the best thing would be not to rush into it to fast and if he/she is still waiting even though u didn't give it to them then...they're real. I just haven't done this dating thing in a while. I just got out of a relationship with the biggest ass i ever met. We had a baby together, then a week later we lost our son then a week after that he was f-in someone else. So it's hard to believe guys now. I was horny, this guy was horny so it happened now....I don't know what will become of it. We'll see. | |
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| Girls, here are some tips written by a guy (me) to show you how to spot phonies/scumbags Posted: 7/24/2006 3:39:24 PM | | How would something like this come across (I've never tried it)? First date: "I have to admit I'm very attracted to you and although this is our first date I would like to have sex with you. However, if you're uncomfortable with that I'm more than willing to not push the issue any further. I'm only human, and I trust that you don't blame me for having a physical desire for you." | |
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| Girls, here are some tips written by a guy (me) to show you how to spot phonies/scumbags Posted: 7/25/2006 3:21:15 AM | so answer this please, chat with a guy for a few weeks,along with phone calls a few times a week , we both can't wait to meet but agreed at the start to get to know each other some what , which turned out to be the 3 weeks of chat and calls, we finally meet and spend about 8 hrs together...it goes extremely well, nothing more than a few kisses and walking hand in hand during this time, we talk about how well we "click" and how this has not happened for either of us in the past( click so well, so quick) he drops me off changes his profile saying he wants to focus on the new lady in his life(me) calls & chats every free moment he has with me, we make arrangements for me to spend the next weekend at his plc,was suppose to be sat & sun but he calls thurs and wants me to go a day early , fri, cuz he misses me so much, so i agree, we have agreat time the first nite and yes , sex this time ...he talks all the next day about how everything is great and how glad he is to have me there that extra day, we have a busy day meet up with friends of his ride all day go to harley fest, seems all good cuddling kissing ect all day we leave he becomes quiet and a little moody i chalk it up to a long day and nite in the sun and alot of riding , get to his plc , both tired just akiss goodnite, sun get up he says we should get some more ridind in cuz its nice out, was planned that i go hm about 7 that nite but during our ride and stops hes quiet again but does again say how well we "click and again how good it was to have the extra day together , we go to an afternoon movie , then coming out of show says guess i should get u hm now , its only 3pm, cuz i got laundry & stuff to do, drops me off quick kiss and leaves. few hrs later online he says what a great time he had i ask what he thinks about getting together again in a couple of weeks , he says well i'm not sure "its" there for us as a couple , something missing, quick change in a few hrs????he wants to still hang out sometimes tho cuz i'm smart beautiful sexy and the sex was great, all this but not to be a couple?? so what is this about ..hes 44 and claims he wants something long term on his profile anyone out there that can explain this ...btw i said no to just hanging out & being **** friends | |
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| Girls, here are some tips written by a guy (me) to show you how to spot phonies/scumbags Posted: 7/25/2006 4:49:46 AM | How about going through just about the same weekend and at the end of it being told thanks but no thanks things are "TOO GOOD TOO BE TRUE!!!!" WTF It sounds to me as though your weekend was [on his part] only a test drive and he is not truly into a LTR at this time just trying on shoes!!!Stuff like that makes it hard for tHose of us REALLY looking for LTR ................... IMHO  | |
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| Girls, here are some tips written by a guy (me) to show you how to spot phonies/scumbags Posted: 7/25/2006 4:50:39 AM | How about going through just about the same weekend and at the end of it being told thanks but no thanks things are "TOO GOOD TOO BE TRUE!!!!" WTF It sounds to me as though your weekend was [on his part] only a test drive and he is not truly into a LTR at this time just trying on shoes!!!Stuff like that makes it hard for those of us REALLY looking for LTR ................... IMHO  | |
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| Girls, here are some tips written by a guy (me) to show you how to spot phonies/scumbags Posted: 7/25/2006 5:24:49 AM | From your description of what took place, my guess is something happened on Saturday to "unclick" him as rapidly as he (and you) initially "clicked". This is the problem with feeling like someone is just perfect for you after such a minimal investment of time and energy (a dozen phone calls and 8 hrs in person). You've put so very little in that it doesn't really take too much to tip your emotional scales either way. It may have been something you said or did, however minor, or it may have nothing to do with you. It could just be him realizing that 1 day or night with you fits his lifestyle, but more than that....not so much. And I wouldn't concern myself too much about what he was saying during your ride on Sunday. Regardless of what was coming out of his mouth, his non-verbal communications on Saturday night and Sunday, spoke volumes. After the initial excitement/high of the first couple of meetings something brought him back down to earth, I really don't get the impression he's a phoney/scumbag/player though. I've been in situations where my initial reaction or feeling about someone has changed rapidly afer spending more time with them, as have most of us. I think what he said came probably from a desire not to hurt your feelings (with a bit of conflict avoidance thrown in) rather than some malicious intent to mislead you. It is far easier to let down your keyboard and mousepad than it is to see how you've hurt or disappointed someone you just spent the weekend with.
My advice (for what it's worth) is this; I think there may have been unreasonable expectations on both sides, considering the length of time you've both known each other, he may just be suffering from cold feet. Regardless of what put him off moving ahead romantically at this time, If you two still get along, and enjoy doing things together, then why not take the time to develop a solid foundation by getting to know each other better. And the upside of this if things between the two of you just fizzle out, is that you haven't wasted too much time or energy. Hope this helps and good luck....
and a comment about the original posting....I seems like you're painting with very broad brush strokes. The generalization which occurs in all of the guidelines leech any credibility from your core ideas. And as someone else pointed out, the style of writing seems to be pandering to women, again this weakens what I think are mostly valid points....unless of course you are playing the ultimate double reverse Camoflauge Velvet Playa Game by making everyone think you're sensitive....what genius if it's true. Only a master pimp could pull it off though...hmmmmmm | |
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| Girls, here are some tips written by a guy (me) to show you how to spot phonies/scumbags Posted: 10/25/2006 11:22:01 AM | Know what's funny? If it didn't work they wouldn't do it. There are just as many women here who exhibit the qualities you're describing as there are men.
It's true alot of the things you mention, and other things, are good signs about a person's personality or what they are like, but does it 100% guarantee you of their intentions? I think that aspect goes a little deeper. | |
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| Girls, here are some tips written by a guy (me) to show you how to spot phonies/scumbags Posted: 10/25/2006 9:19:01 PM | LOL on people talking trash about people who work out. I work out 6 days a week, I have no anger issues. To me it is a great time occupier, I feel awesome during a workout, and my physique is getting quite nice. Women put time into makeup dressing nice. I put it into having nice musculature. I never touch booze and working out does not negate mental capabilities. Many guys I talk to at the gym are very intelligent, and so am I.
I agree with what he said about girls with the provacative pictures. To me I think sex, as they are marketing their sexual assets. Also I respect them alot less as to me it says they have to market their sexuality to get interest from men. And it pretty much ruins there chances with me as I think it is pretty shallow. Lets face it we are biologicaly predisposed to want sex and enjoy it. No need to say/show it. | |
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| Girls, here are some tips written by a guy (me) to show you how to spot phonies/scumbags Posted: 10/25/2006 9:57:11 PM | The original post has some valid points here. I agree with what he says. The capn' always has something wise to say and I find him to be rather interesting, even if he is over three days dead...
I have never been impressed by men who pose with their shirts open, pumped up, sitting on the arm of the couch in their speedos(You know who you are) or any other similar profiles. I like to use my imagination and they leave nothing. I am not into seeing pictures of their cars, motorcycles or other toys, either. Who is to say that they didn't pose with someoneelse's toys?
I do like to see the more gentle side like the photos with their pets. Some of those dogs are really great! I am not talking about the men here. Any man who is not afraid of dog hair in their car or truck shows me that they are very understanding. I will look at a profile of a man who puts his dog first over a guy's toys any day! I let my dog judge if a man is a safe risk. My dog is very protective and won't allow most men around. No fare using treats in your pocket or smelling like a T-bone steak.... | |
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| Girls, here are some tips written by a guy (me) to show you how to spot phonies/scumbags Posted: 10/25/2006 10:30:48 PM | Hi,
I saw that...."people talking trash about people who work out"....That is kind of true, guys who are not very attractive can be very vicious, and attack women, as well as men due to thier severe rejection issues. I don't think the OP was doing that. He seems just to be offering a kind hearted assesment, and his point about partying, yes.
NOW,...people tend to repeat the same "lines" particular to thier style.
I dont have any problems with sex fiends really. I think they may go after unattractive gals mostly. I just don't really get that (MY IM IS OFF, too) or I would not get to type in this site at all. I get all very respectful men. I also get REALLY good looking men about 25 years old. Model types, its a trip. I did finally get some dirty one's on the weekend, one guy offering to make me a meal for nothing in exchange who has been doing terrible things with my picture. Yikes. Then, some young guy who's screen name was about doing something terrible to his "mom". Okay, so I get the young perverts, a few.
LA*Star comes in here and she posts right on.....date offline. Hey, you will get more respect from a guy you meet in the local village watering hole who you see regularly or even know.....than a guy addicted to the online - or CONline. I just caught this guy giving the same line to someone else he gave me.....the "busy" all the time garbage. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THAT THEY are fooling around, this guy would leave me at his friends house, to go answer email here. That was enough....because he was mistreating me. AND the fact is....based on what I hear from the guys....approaching me and thier experiences with online dating....I'm steak in this site. I even put up picks with NO MAKEUP. That's why the young guys started in on me.......the model types. They are impressed by a 37 year old woman who looks like me. I'm getting to where I'm intruiged IF THE ARE MATURE. I was freaked out at first, but I recall guys at thier age who were VERY HONEST,,,,,
I THINK........THEY are more honest than the old fogeys who never married and are still playing the busy game.
Has anyone else noticed this........the young guys seem a lot more honest than the OLD players ????????????????????????????????
HEY LADIES....you pretty gals....let's make a pact.......start dating the younger guys. GO for it. I will tell you why....they are more honest, but it will leave to the old guys to have to face up to thier ways when they can't get a date. DOn't knock the young guys yet. There is a movement from here to Toronto, to London, to New York.....you guys are dating and marrying up in age by like 15-20 years. I read articles in the NY TImes, ABC News....this is not just a fad, its everywhere.....start dating younger. Why not ? | |
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| Girls, here are some tips written by a guy (me) to show you how to spot phonies/scumbags Posted: 10/25/2006 10:59:48 PM | As a guy, I don't think the items posted indicate much.
Sure, maybe if they're all screaming out at once you might be cautious, but even then, I wouldn't say the guys' a scumbag - not even a good chance.
These strike me as stereotypes of what peopel like to think scumbags are like.
I've met lots of scumbags that don't fit any of these criteria, and ones that fit them perfectly.
What's wrong with showing off one's body? (both genders!) - sure it attracts sexual interest, but let's remember the mere inticing of one another with sex doesn't mean you're a scumbag.
Just because you like to party, I don't think that makes you a scumbag - so most of the guys in clubs and bars downtown on a saturday night having fun are scum? - why? Pictures with women makes you scum? It shows you are comfortable with being around them, and they're your friends. That doesn't mean they'll date you.
And grammar? Why? Sum peeps like 2 talk wit a little style and play a bit with the text - it doesn't make u a ScUmBAG. I play with text all the time - especially on txt messing.
It could mean the person's not as educated - but that doesn mean they're scum, does it?
The whole list is too narrow in its approach. If scumbags were that easy to detect, then women wouldn't get involved with them. People aren't that naive.
To be an effective scumbag, you can't be THAT easy to catch. And I agree with kh rock, above - older guys are definately better at it, even if they don't tend more to be scum (which they might). | |
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| Girls, here are some tips written by a guy (me) to show you how to spot phonies/scumbags Posted: 10/25/2006 11:58:39 PM |
1. Guy's with a lot of body pictures. Pics of the abs and crap. Douche bags, they only want u to like them for their body. they cant post anything else because it might require they have to talk to you, which is something they dont know how to do.
Or maybe they know that women don't read the profiles any more than men. They just click on a pic they like a lot of the time. And until you've got dialogue, they have no other way to differentiate themselves. Or maybe they don't know what they're supposed to do in this environment and they're just apeing what they see.
2. Guy's who take pics with other girls in provocative manner. Again, they want u to see that they can get a lot of girls, so why are they bothering on this site if they have girls around them all the time? They think that by showing u that that u'll be more interested...WRONG.
Or maybe they know that they often WILL be more interested. Because you look like you're living life and having fun, not sitting woodenly staring at the camera you're holding in your hand while you sit home alone wishing someone would talk to you.
3. Guy's whose interests revolve around: Drinking, working out, clubs and partying. They have nothing to offer except the fact that they always know where the keg is. If you want shallow, then thats all they are. If they cant even pretend to be interested in something that is mature then u should not try to expect an Einstein conversation with them.
Yeah. Because there aren't any women who like those things. Deep down inside, they want to be dating Einstein so they can finally put a stop to all this childish fun stuff like taking care of themselves and socializing.
4. Grammar. Guy's who cant speak like a normal person and use words that you stopped using once you passed third grade. Typo's are ok, unless it's so butchered that u cant even tell what word they are trying to say. A way a person talks shows how they act and think. Most businesses will NOT hire someone who talks like a wanna be rapper.
That's right. Spelling and grammar are the ultimate judgement of intelligence. Except my brother, who has a 4.0 GPA in university and works in neuroscience but can't spell to save his life.
5. If a guy even HINTS at sex in his first post, delete on sight (and block). The more you do this the less they will attempt it. Real guys dont want sex at first because they dont want a girl to give it up so easily. They want someone who they can know first, talk with, spend a little quality time with, and then when you are into the relationship and decide thats what you want, you can get as kinky as you want.
Of course. When you're looking for someone to date, you need to be very careful not to show any attraction or flirtation. What are these guys on?
6. Guys who write 2-5 word messages. Self explanitory, since their brain isnt focused on anything other then hiding their drunkenness. A real guy might be jaded since he can write a paragraph or two and not get a reply back (or even the dreaded "read:deleted"), but that doesnt mean "Hey baby, whats up?" is acceptable for anyone!!! A real guy will show that he READ your profile, say what he likes about you and what interests you share. If he cant even name an interest you wrote then he doesnt care about you, just your body pictures.
I must not be a real guy. Real guys write long love letters to every stranger they'd like to get into a dialogue with. Guess those women who don't have a long involved profile full of seeds for the imagination aren't even worth introducing yourself to. I know if someone said to me "Hey baby, what's up?", I'd probably say "Screw you, you insensitive ****! Where's MY love letter? Don't you know I like capoeira, dancing, playing harmonica and discussing social issues? How dare you talk to me like I'm some stranger you've never met before!"
Yeah. Put up your filters and walls, and keep judging these guys without ever talking to them and making bitter posts in the forums about "where are all the real men". Cause that's going to get you dates. LOL halifaxwolverine ,
THANKS for the counter points.
Your intelligent wit is greatly appreciated.
BEST: "How dare you talk to me like I'm some stranger you've never met before!" - pretty much sums it up, IMHO. | |
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| Girls, here are some tips written by a guy (me) to show you how to spot phonies/scumbags Posted: 10/26/2006 1:33:08 AM |
HEY LADIES....you pretty gals....let's make a pact.......start dating the younger guys. GO for it. I will tell you why....they are more honest, but it will leave to the old guys to have to face up to thier ways when they can't get a date. DOn't knock the young guys yet. There is a movement from here to Toronto, to London, to New York.....you guys are dating and marrying up in age by like 15-20 years. I read articles in the NY TImes, ABC News....this is not just a fad, its everywhere.....start dating younger. Why not ?
I think this is a great idea!!! | |
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| Girls, here are some tips written by a guy (me) to show you how to spot phonies/scumbags Posted: 10/27/2006 6:14:16 AM | I thought I was gonna get some really great tips! Darn, just another guy basically in a round about way saying he's not getting any play cuz women go for the a-holes, except this time,we are not smart enough to figure out the GLARINGLY obvious ones not to talk to. I don't answer any of the ones you describe. I get the shirts off thing (at least for ME, not for everyone!), I get the bar thing (last thing I want is a bar fly!), DUH, on the mention of sex, seriously! come on now, do I need to be TOLD this??, and of course I would NEVER put pictures of myself up in underwear or what have you, duh duh duh. Come on, I get all of that... I really hoped I was gonna get something deep that I didn't already know and couldn't see for myself. Bummer.  | |
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