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Posted: 8/9/2006 10:40:42 PM | China is hosting the 2008 olympics,
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who gives a sh!t.........HA you really believe this crap.....China or anyone eles is going to come
Bale out No Show Geo.HA
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Posted: 8/9/2006 11:37:36 PM | If Bush is actually concerned about terrorists then why are the troops in Iraq???? Iraq did not start the war, Bush did, and Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 or having weopons of mass destruction. Hey Bush! I heard that there is a terrorist in the whitehouse right now...just look in the damn mirror you *ss wipe. Soon the U.S. will be panhandling to get money to support Bush's crazy killing sprees or steal money from Canada. I could see him do that while our government is sleeping. | |
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Posted: 8/10/2006 6:07:48 AM | Being from Haiti, I would have thought you would have suspicion of US backed regimes, Papa Doc was not good for Haiti, yet he was supported by presidents.
Just because a person gets "elected" to office, does not make their decisions, domestic or foreign, ..."good ones". | |
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Posted: 8/10/2006 7:10:52 AM | america is not here to run your country, they just want to make sure that you are speaking their languages and share their interests, they want to know if you can walk the same road...in many poor countries, because people dont have the right to a fair election, its those stupid dictator-in-the-skin candidates who show up all the time at the US meetings...but the US is changing, they are now changing and will not accept to seat with these people anymore, before they just backed whoever was in power, now, and Saddam is a exemple, there is a change for more progressive people, with democratic views.
The people they backed covertly/overtly served a purpose, they no longer serve that purpose, so the covertl/overtl change to serve a new purpose is STILL a self-serving agenda, not with the best interests of the populus as it's prime priority (from the perspective of covert/overt manipulation) hence, it is supect.
History shows that nothing good ever comes from that, until a nation is out from under the thumb of self-serving manipulators.
The agenda is never even the US electorate, the agenda is of the plutocratic oligarchy[1].
Not, "we the people".
[1] - An aspect your views never take into account.
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Posted: 8/10/2006 7:56:33 AM |
but what about Israel? this nation is completely influenced by the US, (I cannot find a better exemple of US influence)....why didnt they fall for dictatorship?? well its because thats not the way they run things...they know that a superpower will come knocking at their door, so they get prepared economicaly and they even prepare a good candidate to deal with the US. If this candidate speaks the US "language" well the US is happy and they head back home for diner.
Israel is now fighting a proxy war, illegaly occupying Palestine, and commiting war crimes, not exactly a shining example of a US backed democracy.
A country the size of New Jersey, ranked fourth in the world in weaponry, that has received over $140 billion dollars in aid from the US, in order to be a US influence in the region.
Without this proxy, ...things would perhaps be as they were before it, with all three sons and daughters of Abraham living in peace.
well its because thats not the way they run things...they know that a superpower will come knocking at their door, so they get prepared economicaly and they even prepare a good candidate to deal with the US. If this candidate speaks the US "language" well the US is happy and they head back home for diner.
Do you believe that slavery is ethical if the slave owner treats his property well? | |
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Posted: 8/10/2006 7:58:42 AM | america is not here to run your country, they just want to make sure that you are speaking their languages and share their interests, they want to know if you can walk the same road...in many poor countries, because people dont have the right to a fair election, its those stupid dictator-in-the-skin candidates who show up all the time at the US meetings...but the US is changing, they are now changing and will not accept to seat with these people anymore, before they just backed whoever was in power, now, and Saddam is a exemple, there is a change for more progressive people, with democratic views.[/qoute]
umm, dude, Are you paying any attention to Iraq? Sadaam was a secularist, the new government is an Islamic Republic, governed under Islamic law. If you know ANY world history whatsoever, just look at the 'democratic views' of these republics. You call them progressive? And you think this is going to be different, how? And just because a puppet government is ostensibley running a things doesn't mean that the Little Ceasar and crew aren't pulling many a string.
"america is not here to run your country" - Really? Have you told thatt to the Iraqis? Rumsfeld said that we would be there 6 days to 6 months, max. I think it's been a little longer than that. Just a little.This administration DOES want control of Iraqi oil (remember, that's how were gonna finance the war, right? (What a joke!)), and we ARE building massive permanent bases. The supplemental funding bill for the war in Iraq signed by President Bush in early May 2005 provides money for the construction of bases for U.S. forces that are described as "permanent facilities." in some cases. Several press reports have revealed that the U.S. is planning up to 14 permanent bases in Iraq— a country that is only twice the size of the state of Idaho. Why is the U.S. building permanent bases in Iraq? Because we DON'T want to stay there and excercise control? Wake up and smell the Depelted Uranium dust.
And bu$$h Co. will never admit mistakes or defeat, no matter what, they just continue to paint rosey scenarios with 'victory against terrorism' just around the corner (remember the Cheney classic " the insurgency is in it's last throes."?) This adminstration would stay in Iraq for twenty years and bankrupt the US, and they still wouldn’t admit defeat. Then, IF they are denied their “victory” i.e., US control of Iraq’s oil (it will last a lot longer with bu$$h there because it won’t be as quickly pumped, jacking up prices and profits for him and his robber baron oil buddies), US permanent bases in Iraq to bomb surrounding countries at will, and a US puppet Iraqi government, they will blame liberal Americans for the defeat. That Democrats lacked the will to win. All the while making record profits for Haliburton and the like, and keeping Americans stoked in as much fear as possible in order to increase their numbers at the polls. The only language they speak is money and power, and yes, they care about 'shares' and 'interest', but not in the way you mention above. | |
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Posted: 8/10/2006 11:41:56 AM |
this is a fact sheet from the white house's web site. It will give you a realistic view of the efforts made in Iraq by the US:
You mean, the White House's web site has an article supporting what the people in the White House are doing? Wow! That convinces me that we've been wrong all the time, despite what actual reality shows. | |
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Posted: 8/10/2006 11:44:23 AM | this is a fact sheet from the white house's web site
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What a load of crap. You can google regarding the unfinished and ripped of projects. You can see the security in Bagdad. Electricity down, oil prodution down every measure is down. They use number of cell phones as a success. Anyone tell them that cell phones are used as detonators on IED's.
believe that crap if you like.
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July 30, 2006
Audit Finds U.S. Hid Actual Cost of Iraq Projects
By JAMES GLANZ
BAGHDAD, Iraq, July 29 — The State Department agency in charge of $1.4 billion in reconstruction money in Iraq used an accounting shell game to hide ballooning cost overruns on its projects there and knowingly withheld information on schedule delays from Congress, a federal audit released late Friday has found.
The agency hid construction overruns by listing them as overhead or administrative costs, according to the audit, written by the Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction, an independent office that reports to Congress, the Pentagon and the State Department.
Called the United States Agency for International Development, or A.I.D., the agency administers foreign aid projects around the world. It has been working in Iraq on reconstruction since shortly after the 2003 invasion.
The report by the inspector general’s office does not give a full accounting of all projects financed by the agency’s $1.4 billion budget, but cites several examples.
The findings appeared in an audit of a children’s hospital in Basra, but they referred to the wider reconstruction activities of the development agency in Iraq. American and Iraqi officials reported this week that the State Department planned to drop Bechtel, its contractor on that project, as signs of budget and scheduling problems began to surface.
_________________Intellpuke: "You can read this article by New York Times correspondent James Glanz, reporting from Baghdad, Iraq,
Violence Creating Chaos In Iraq Banking System
2006-07-29 00 43
Posted By: intellpuke
The two armored vans left a branch of the Warka Bank on Thursday around noon, loaded with 1.191 billion dinars, or nearly $800,000. Almost immediately, on a busy street near the Baghdad zoo, the drivers spotted an oncoming Iraqi Army convoy, led by a shiny new Humvee. They followed standard procedure and pulled over.
The convoy stopped, and an officer politely ordered the surprised drivers and guards to lay down their guns while his men searched the vans for bombs.
Within minutes all eight drivers and guards had been handcuffed and locked in the back of one of the vans on a suffocating 120-degree day, the cash had been stolen by the men in the convoy - whoever they were - and the Iraqi banking system marked another day of its slow slide into oblivion.
The only thing atypical about Thursday’s robbery, which was described by bank and Interior Ministry officials, is that most private banks try to avoid using armored vans, because they draw too much attention, and instead toss sacks of cash into ordinary cars for furtive dashes through the streets of Baghdad.
However the cash goes out, it risks being lost in the wash of robbery, kidnapping and intrigue that now plagues the system.
Praised by the United States as a success story as recently as a few months ago, that system has quickly become a wild landscape of clandestine cash runs, huge hauls by robbers dressed as police officers and soldiers, kidnappings of bank executives with ransoms as high as $6 million, American allegations of tie-ins with insurgent financiers, and legitimate customers turned away when they go to pick up their savings and flee the country.
“It is a crisis,” said Wisam K. Jamil, managing director of Iraq’s oldest private bank, the Bank of Baghdad, which lost $1.5 million in a literal case of highway robbery by men wearing police uniforms last December. | |
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Posted: 8/10/2006 11:46:52 AM | where did slavery com from?
It's called an analogy:
analogy
n : drawing a comparison in order to show a similarity in some respect;
this is a fact sheet from the white house's web site. It will give you a realistic view of the efforts made in Iraq by the US:
Never mind. | |
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Posted: 8/10/2006 11:55:31 AM | It's called an analogy: analogy n : drawing a comparison in order to show a similarity in some respect; this is a fact sheet from the white house's web site. It will give you a realistic view of the efforts made in Iraq by the US: Never mind.
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Posted: 8/10/2006 12:37:50 PM | so you dont believe what your government is doing? why do you stay in the US then? its not safe for you...come join me and Late in Canada!
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I guess your not from Canada, I know that a true Cannnnada does not move out when the
toilet Backs up. You clean the crap out and fix it. Thats how we do it here in the USA.
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Posted: 8/10/2006 12:53:42 PM | Mencer he was forced to go to war because if he didnt go to war he would have been taken out by the people that funded his way to power. We all know who that was. If our government hadnt taken out the peace loving democratically elected mohammad mossadegh and installed the non democrated unelected shah there woiuld never have been an extremist
islamic revolution. When u keep screwing around with another country for their oio, sooner or later the people rebellllllllllllllll | |
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Posted: 8/10/2006 1:10:46 PM | http://www.ameu.org/page.asp?iid=260&aid=479&pg=4
there are 9 pages there, this will help u on ur journey into the grey area lol
Iran
by: Geoff Simons
January - March 2005
The Link - Volume 38, Issue 1
Page 4
On August 19, 1953, the C.I.A., M16, and the imperial court managed to topple the government of Dr. Mossadegh. Iran’s constitutional processes were abolished, and the shah’s dictatorship — what Reza Shah called the imperial system — was imposed on the country. The C.I.A.’s Kermit Roosevelt, grandson of Theodore and distant cousin of Franklin, had prepared the coup plan for submission to Dulles. Mossadegh had tried to placate the British by offering compensation, but such attempts were dismissed: the British wanted their oil company back. In 1952, the Churchill government had approached Roosevelt, who judged that while Truman would not have approved a C.I.A.-organized coup, the “new Republicans, however, might be quite different.” And so it proved. Twenty-six years later, Kermit Roosevelt described in his book “Countercoup” how he and the C.I.A. had achieved the overthrow of the Mossadegh regime. A key element in the coup was the organization by extremely competent professionals of massive disturbances on the streets of Tehran, funded by one million dollars from the American embassy. Subsequent reports had the C.I.A. spending up to $19 million bribing members of the Iranian parliament and other influential Iranians to enlist their support in ousting the prime minister.
It worked. On November 18, 1953, Mossadegh was brought before a military tribunal, where he used the courtroom to question the shah’s regime, the role of the court, and the charges against him. On December 21, the court announced that for all the crimes cited — in effect that Mossadegh had acted unconstitutionally in defying the shah — he had been condemned to death. The shah, however, intervened and the sentence was commuted to three year’s solitary confinement.
Mossadegh subsequently returned to his estate near Tehran, where he died in 1967.
The Final Years of Monarchy
After the overthrow of Mossadegh, Reza Shah returned to Tehran and began the last phase of the Pahlavi dynasty. For the next 25 years he remained a steadfast ally of the United States. Electronic surveillance posts were established near the Soviet border; American aircraft were permitted to fly from Iran to carry out surveillance over the Soviet Union; spies were infiltrated across the Soviet-Iranian border; and many American military installations were established throughout Iran. In February 1955, Iran became a member of the U.S.-devised Baghdad Pact to create, in Dulles’s words, “a solid band of resistance against the Soviet Union.”
The way was now open for the denationalization of Iran’s oil industry. The British oil monopoly was superseded by a consortium in which Anglo-Iranian received 40 percent of revenues, five U.S. corporations (Gulf Oil, Standard of New Jersey, Standard of California, Texas, and Socony-Mobil) received 40 percent, and 20 percent went to Royal Dutch Shell and a French company.
In 1958, Kermit Roosevelt left the C.I.A. to work for Gulf Oil; in 1960 he was appointed vice president. Later he formed the consulting firm, Downs and Roosevelt, which in the late 1960s was receiving $116,000 a year from the Iranian government. At the same time, the aerospace Northrop Corporation was paying Roosevelt $75,000 a year to aid its sales to Iran and other states in the region. John Foster Dulles and his brother Allan, director of the C.I.A., were also board members of Standard Oil. The syndicated columnist Jack Anderson reported in the San Francisco Chronicle (December 26, 1979) that the Rockefeller family, who controlled Standard Oil and Chase Manhattan Bank, “helped arrange the C.I.A. coup that brought down Mossadegh.” The shah showed his gratitude by making heavy deposits in Chase Manhattan and facilitating housing developments in Iran built by a Rockefeller company.
The shah attempted a number of reforms during the period of the so-called White Revolution: land reform, profit-sharing, electoral reform, the eradication of illiteracy, and the transformation of state-owned industries into share-holding companies allowing public investment. He also tried to advance the cause of women against ubiquitous pressures of the Muslim establishment.
But all this did little to dispel the mounting internal hostility to his monarchy. Increasingly, he relied on repression. In 1957, the C.I.A. and Israel’s Mossad helped him to create the infamous secret police organization, SAVAK, which acquired an odious reputation for torture and murder of anyone suspected of acting against the monarchy. In one biography of him by Margaret Laing, Reza Shah declared: “All these [tortured] people certainly are Communists and Marxists, whether they were guilty or not guilty.”
The shah’s repressive measures, however, failed to stabilize Iranian society. By the late 1970s the nationalist and religious pressures were mounting; the monarchy was under ultimate threat, American involvement in Iranian affairs was increasingly insecure, and Iran was about to embark upon a new phase in its turbulent history.
In 1978, President and Mrs. Jimmy Carter celebrated New Year’s in Tehran, with the American president calling Iran under the Shah an island of stability. To mark the occasion, a fedayeen group bombed the U.S.-Iran cultural center. On January 7, 1978, an article insulting to exiled Ayatollah Khomeini, Iran’s leading dissident cleric, appeared in a Tehran daily, stimulating further demonstrations in which the security forces killed or wounded dozens of people. In May, anti-government rioting swept across 34 cities. In October, 37,000 oil workers launched a strike over wages and a range of political demands and brought the industry to a virtual standstill. In November, Iranian Airlines staff went on strike, demanding political concessions. Martial law had been declared, though its conditions were increasingly ignored. The shah appeared on television and, in desperation, admitted past mistakes, assuring his people he had heard their demands.
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Posted: 8/10/2006 1:43:44 PM | wow i am so proud of all of u.....
If only we would have seen this b4 he was elected....
Pres. Bush dont care about the u.s.a.........he cares about himself and his $$$$ and his croonies $$$......
We have got to elect someone that is going to care about us....all of us...
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Posted: 8/10/2006 3:44:13 PM | The article that gammon posted it completely true .. from top to bottom and it's not even secret information. There are tonnes of books and articles including the biography of Dulles brothers famous for the term Banana republic and much more.
Iranians fought hard for their constitutional monarchy revolution of 1906. Note the date. It's years before many of the European countries achieved true democracy and it was sad to see it come to an end in 50 years, thanks to the CIA.
America funded iraq and isreal gave intelligence reports to iran. Nice little business lol
America got Kuwait and Saudi Arabia to fund Iraq and when Kuwait decided to reneg, Saddam invaded it.
Israel did much more. Israel sold their surplus aircraft parts and other military parts at 10 times the price of the new stuff .. but then again, they never paid for the parts in the first place. They were bought with American aid money. | |
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Posted: 8/10/2006 9:38:04 PM | Arri its very basic and goes back thousands of years. Its all about power and empire building.
If we really cared about democracy then why did we get the democratically elected mossadegh out and install the puppet shah? We had a great chance to earn the trust of the iranian people. Instead they turned to the ayatolla of all people. AHHHH if only jfk were alive. | |
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Posted: 8/11/2006 8:00:39 AM | Someone who's name shall go unmentioned should read "Confessions of an Economic Hitman" by John Perkins.
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Alright Intercooler!
Let us enlightened the lad, before he suffers from foot in mouth disease.
Other fine books to read are :
Sorrows of Empire
Blowback
Tragedy and Hope
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Theives in the Temple | |
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