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 SensualMystery

Joined: 1/22/2008
Msg: 26
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Posted: 4/2/2008 5:28:28 PM

Regardless of whether there's any truth to the HIV/AIDS CONSPIRACY theory, ask yourself is it really worth the risk?

HIV is just another pathogen to add to the long list of herpes, hepatitis, gonorrhea, syphilis, and the many more diseases one can get from practicing unsafe sex.

Protect yourself and you don't have to worry.



How can you protect yourself from a misdiagnosis?

People need to understand that this false dichotomy is causing more harm than good.
 Peacethx

Joined: 3/24/2008
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Posted: 4/12/2008 12:55:43 AM
This video is incorrect. It is potentially dangerous information if uninformed readers accept its credibility. There is undeniable evidence that AIDS is caused by either HIV1 or HIV2 infection. AIDS is transmitted by contact with infected blood products, the likelihood of getting it from kissing or oral sex is very low. The risk in anal intercourse is very high. As of yet, there have not been any documented cases of women giving another woman AIDS due to unprotected sex. AIDS is still, sadly, predominant in Africa and in the gay community.

HIV is often found alongside tuberculosis and TB is a major cause of death in AIDS patients. HIV2 infections are localized to Africa, HIV1 to Europe and North America. There is a recent resurgance in HIV infections due to young men refusing to wear condoms, there is a new younger generation who are buying into the AIDS isnt caused by the virus theory, who are contracting the illness. Its important for all of us to make it clear that AIDS is the result of contact with an infected person and to take precautions.
 thecosmicdiva

Joined: 12/12/2007
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Posted: 6/5/2008 9:45:48 PM
Well being a researcher I have connected with Hundreds of scientists from around the world. Cellular Biologists, Immunologists, Molecular Biologist... Cancer Researchers...

This one particular molecular biologist believes one of the biggest problems with the current Hypothesis is the fact that they are viewing it from a molecular level... He took the Virologists job while working on the AIDS test...

Luc Montaigner The True discoverer of HIV has also concluded that HIV alone cannot cause AIDS... and is writing books about oxidative stress...

Do you know that the test for HIV is not approved for diagnosis... and actually disclaims that in its insert... This is from one of the scientists that worked on developing the test for use in blood banks.

And tell me this... With 2,000 Scientists from around the world calling for an open debate about HIV/AIDS for almost 20 years... Not one of them has been sued for libel... Hundreds of Books have been published is regards to the failed HIV Hypothesis... No one has been charged... and the mainstream establishment still has refused to take up this subect in a laboratory by true scientific standards with other discerning scientists who argue that misconduct has happened.

Tell me how they get away with it? If there is not some truth to what they are saying.

Kevin Truedeu was sued for 2 million for doing an infomercial claiming he can cure obesity with diet. A And a book like "Inventing the AIDS Virus" is hiding on book shelves... Written by a very accredited scientist from UC Berkley and still holds a position there. Though his ability to research has been dampened by not being able to get research grants to research this... Despite holding several awards within the scientific community. This same scientist has made some major breakthroughs in cancer also.

You should also take a look at AIDS Inc. on Google Video.

They don't even speak of it... lest it draw attention to it.

To me that is the biggest sign of guilt in the whole theory. I would love for them to stand up and prove the movie wrong... These are qualified scientists. People have put thier careers on the line big time to speak the truth. Truth backed by strong evidence.

I know this why? Because I have researched it... Did you know: And this is from The National Institutes of Health I can provide references...

In Blood Bank Testing out of 50,000 samples they get 39 positives... 19 of which are False Positives... Almost 50% They then take the 19 and divide that by 50,000 and then tell you that the False positive rate is .001

I have worked with people in 18 years never sick... never took the drugs... married for 12 years never passed it to her partner. Was an activist on both sides of the coin and has seen it all.

And I have read numerous studies at the National Institutes of Health about the toxicities of the drugs. African countries are now suing the pharmacuetical companies for toxicity relative to the drug trials for the same AIDS drugs approved and being used here now.

The same AIDS drugs being fed to pregnant women... That has shown every year at the NAtional Institutes of Health signs of Persistant Mitochondrial DNA damage (something that can lead to serious nuerological disorders later in life. The body curls in on itself and the nervous system breaks down.)

I say to any professional that claims to know what they are talking about... to do thier own research... and see what comes up. Do it professionally and scientifically... Search for AIDS Drug toxicities on Google, Pub Med, or The National Institutes of Health... Read thier guidlines on Universal Testing and how it could be dangerous to universally test in low risk populations because of the incidence of higher false positives... Hell read the list of warnings on the labels of those AIDS drugs...

Scurvy (Vitamin C defeciency) Was once thought to be a horrible sexually transmitted disease... and well what is it now.

And as a matter of Fact Pellagra... a Niacin Defieciency that has the same syptoms as AIDS in third would africa.. caused by eating only corn and not getting balanced nutirition... Which is the staple diet for most of tribal Africa. I know because I lived there.

If Science is questioning science and simply asking that the process be done properly out in the open for debate... and they are silenced...

What could they possibly be hiding?
 -Iconoclast-

Joined: 5/18/2008
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Posted: 6/6/2008 5:14:00 AM
I watched my generation die from this damn disease and this type of misinformation is dangerous.

New infections are increasing among young adults. The kids don't remember, we have to TEACH them.
 x Tyler Durden x

Joined: 3/30/2008
Msg: 30
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Posted: 6/8/2008 3:54:49 AM

Aids kills some 6,000 people each day in Africa - more than wars, famines and floods. Millions of children are orphans, many more live with HIV or Aids. This special report, with correspondents’ despatches, key facts, audio, video and interviews, asks why the devastation continues

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/in_depth/africa/2000/aids_in_africa/default.stm

If HIV doesnt cause AIDS, the drugs do, how come so many Africans die when they can't afford any drugs?
 Phoebus2k9

Joined: 3/15/2008
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Posted: 6/12/2008 7:55:58 AM
They are dying because the U.S Govt and drug companie are giving it to those countries to kill off the population as they been trying to do for sometime without trying to get into some huge war to kill of ppl quickly they took the bio war route.

Just take a look at this one video alone

http://video.google.ca/videosearch?hl=en&q=Bayer%20Aids&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wv#
 Oyster Perpetual

Joined: 8/25/2008
Msg: 32
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Posted: 9/4/2008 7:25:55 PM
I understand that AIDS was developed by a Navy Surgeon named Donner, who worked for Sandia Labs until he retired. It was developed as a method of culling human population, specifically in Africa. The alleged cure lies in the excrement of a white fungus that's grown from the Chinese cucumber Trichosanthes Kirilowii. When cultivated, prepared and administered it dissolves the protective protein coat on the RNA, exposing the nucleus of the virus to the anti-bodies of the T4 cells. Regardless of how compromised the immune system of the host may be, the virus will be destroyed.

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 bllackbeauty

Joined: 1/17/2009
Msg: 33
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Posted: 1/27/2009 3:43:42 PM
Africa is estimated to have more than 60% of the AIDS-infected population. I'm one of them... Its about time all the goverments stepped up and helped just a little more.. Even to just get the message across to practice safer sex..
 i like cats

Joined: 10/28/2007
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Posted: 1/27/2009 11:34:08 PM
HIV=AIDS = FICTION
 maxxoccupancy

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Posted: 1/28/2009 3:02:15 PM
I read up on this some time ago, but I'll give you what facts I can remember. AIDS is a host of different symptoms resulting from a weakened immune system. The symptoms vary from patient to patient, and different patients respond in completely different manners. HIV may be any number of different, but probably related, viruses. Most of those viruses are relatively weak, but they feed off of your T-cells, which report the existence of type of intrusion to your immune system. Some human beings contract HIV without ever developing AIDS symptoms, possibly because they have unusual T-cells that HIV cannot infect.

Many AIDS drugs like AZT are harmful enough to kill healthy patients. Their benefit is temporary, but AZT is so caustic that it was killing healthy control subjects in clinical trials when it was used as a cancer drug. It had to be pulled from shelves because it was killing more people than it saved. Misdiagnosed patients (false positives, without HIV) have died as a result of AIDS drugs that they were taking.

Some control subjects (healthy patients) who have been told by a doctor that they had a terminal disease actually developed depression, stopped eating or exercising, and a few even died within months of being falsely told that they had a terminal disease.
 Becky911

Joined: 12/1/2008
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Posted: 5/18/2009 8:12:24 AM
TheCosmicDiva you are on point.!!!!!

I also read that HIV/AIDS is a mix match of other common ailments and relatively easily curable, but big bad Pharma companies dont want you to know about it, because HIV/AIDS is a multibillion dollar industry.

Tuberculosis and HIV/AIDS has similar sympyoms....HIV/AIDS is an old disease with a new name and TB isnt necessarily incurable or transmitted only through sex.

Im shocked that some people accept the HIV/AIDS thing as to be entirely factual and dont question it, government nor science can ever lie to the general population.

If someone ever came out and said HIV/AIDS was manmade that person may not live long enough after to get it out in the open....

Many innocent people died because of intentional government/pharma/scientific disinformation. It hurts my heart.
 XCypher

Joined: 12/2/2007
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Posted: 5/18/2009 11:19:57 AM
Thanks for bumping this thread, the two hour video was interesting to watch.
 327lovers

Joined: 8/22/2009
Msg: 38
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Posted: 9/3/2009 4:34:58 PM
The CENTER FOR DISEASE CONTROL cdc.gov lists facts about Aids. I was shocked that 41 percent of African American males have full blown AIDS and 68 percent are HIV.
 kpooks

Joined: 12/23/2008
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Posted: 9/3/2009 6:20:00 PM
HIV weakens the immune system, which makes infections, colds, etc. more easy to take over the body. I don't want it...do YOU? Practice safe sex and be into monogamy.
 Trailrider71

Joined: 4/5/2009
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Posted: 9/4/2009 12:30:19 AM
Did you know that the theory of gravity is just that, a theory? It has actually never been proven and neither has the theory that HIV causes AIDS.

The scientific community uses the word 'theory' differently than laymen that don't generally know squat about science. A theory is a large accumulation of scientific facts concerning the same subject. It is not the same as a conspiracy theory that can only be guessed at, which scientifically speaking is more like a hypothesis. After a hypothesis has been tested repeatedly it is considered scientific fact. Get a couple dozen facts together, all closely related, and you come up with a theory. Gravity has been proven repeatedly, you dolt. Try googling Rene Descartes or Francis Bacon. They pioneered the 'Scientific Method'. You probably think the government destroyed the World Trade Center.
 JWG86

Joined: 7/5/2008
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Posted: 9/4/2009 12:33:27 AM
The OP looks to be full of crap personally. (Post, not poster, this is not a "personal insult").

HIV is Human Immuno (deficiency) Virus.

AIDS (Aquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome) is what it causes.

AIDS is the condition resulting from HIV infection when the CD4 T-cells in the body drop to below a certain number or percentage. When CD4 type cells drop below 14% of total T-cell count, AIDS is what this is called in someone with HIV. Other things can cause T-cell drops, from medications to other conditions. However, when HIV is present, and the CD4 T-cell count is as stated, it is AIDS.

HIV is blood-born, and very fragile. Drug-use is the cause of its spread in so many cases because the blood from a shared needle is "kept safe" in the shaft of the needle from the infected to the next user. Sex, even anal sex, is nowhwere near as risky. As stated, HIV is very delicate until it enters a host and has a very short life-span on fomites.

What is so hard for people to understand about this I will never get. However, some people persist in propogating this junk as seen in the OP.
 KC-Friends

Joined: 7/12/2009
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Posted: 9/4/2009 5:31:47 AM
wow what a quack. Try reading some factual data on HIV and AIDS. About the virus itself, what it does to healthy CD4 helper cells...that fact it overwhelms the body's active cellular immunity. The virus multiplies and overwhelms the body's defense. When there are no CD4 helper cells left to defend against cellular invaders the host will be susceptible to ANY infection. Those will full blown AIDS usually die from an infection from the more prevelant organism: pseudomonas, etc.

Get facts, stop reading voodoo.
 Wiyan

Joined: 12/8/2008
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Posted: 9/4/2009 12:58:27 PM
If you are interested in this topic, you might want to read' The River' before you make up your mind based on this documentary. It was exhaustive research and quite compelling, esp if you know anything about genetics, molecular bio and interspecies transmission. People have no idea how African people are sacrificed daily in the name of 'research' for vaccines and other drugs. Africans who have tried to speak out about this have had death threats made against them, interestingly enough.
 JWG86

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Posted: 9/4/2009 5:06:48 PM
^This world is an ugly place. I learned that early on as a child when police attacked my grandfather simply because he won a lawsuit against the city and well, let's be honest--they could. Disabled him for life. The people you think are there to protect you--aren't. The only way to assure your own safety is to be badder than those who wish to harm you and not to hesitate when faced with opposition. People are disadvantaged for many reasons, some rise above it, some don't. Hit hard, hit fast, or run hard, and run fast, as the situation dictates, but never count on anyone to do either for you. Sometimes "speaking out" is just a good way of hi-liting yourself for the next bullet. Sometimes, acting out works better.
 P.R.Handgrenade69

Joined: 4/10/2009
Msg: 45
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Posted: 9/4/2009 6:15:51 PM
This thread has survived from 2006 until now. In all the posts, some people posted factual things and some based their opinions on a documentary. This whole thread was like a Wild West shoot out and most of it based on a documentary.

What does this shit do??? It kills, simple. It robs of you of your life and you feel it slipping away as it becomes full blown. Your hair falls out, you can no longer control your bowels, your teeth fall out, possibly go mad, your heart is affected, colds last longer and each one is just as scary as the last because the more worse it becomes, the closer it may bring you even to death. You can't walk across a room because your joints hurt, muscles are deteriorating, and it becomes impossible to even hold down baby food. Every illness or disease that could have been fought in someone unaffected by HIV falls into your lap with little comfort or hope of it being treated successfully.

My brother would cry, just longing for a slice of pizza. He died, at age 39, in his sleep after fighting this shit for 16 years. His HIV test was positive at 23 and who knows how long he had it before he found out, so his 4 year old was tested also--he was negative. In the months before his death, his T-cell count was super low so he was labeled "Full blown AIDS".

There is your proof. Nuff Said.
 monalee1

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Posted: 9/4/2009 7:20:51 PM
hi.. so sorry to those who have lost loved ones to AIDS

I do not believe that HIV=AIDS... I believe that drugs cause AIDS
 JWG86

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Posted: 9/4/2009 8:01:12 PM
^ and you don't have a thing to support it or an understanding of it I would bet.
 monalee1

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Posted: 9/4/2009 8:08:44 PM
hi... ^^^^ you are right, you are the only one here who has an understanding of things..... blessings
 P.R.Handgrenade69

Joined: 4/10/2009
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Posted: 9/4/2009 9:05:57 PM
All I know is that meds prolonged my brother's life.

I don't know how it is that they specifically work, but people with AIDS eat, shit, and sleep medication. AZT is not the only medication that they take. On top of that one, they take meds for every affliction that comes their way and it eats up your stomach.

I don't buy that nonsense that drugs causes AIDS for the simple fact that healthy people take a medication for something that gives them secondary effects and then they have to take yet another medication to combat those symptoms. So a lot of people get sick from meds and not just the people afflicted with AIDS. That all the meds that they take is making them sick apart from the illness itself, yes. It is the cause of AIDS? No.
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