| Christianity v. Alchoholism: Which is worse?
Posted: 8/19/2006 9:40:44 AM | ^^^Matt understands humor; I go to school with him, so I know. He just takes seriously topics he care about.
If he said that Christians - grouping PEOPLE via categorization, as opposed to a slice of life - are the greatest threat to the world, I too will worry. In that case, it will be fitting to compare his views with that of Hitler, who has the irrational and infantile mentality to exclude a group of human beings based on certain characteristics (which, mind you, are very human). In exclusion, the Jews are seen as inferior, a disease that needs to be terminated. But no exclusion mentality is directly implied in singling out a belief, provided that the claimant doesn't think that the solution lie in the mass termination of those whose lives are a part of said "threat". | |
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| Christianity v. Alchoholism: Which is worse?
Posted: 8/19/2006 11:37:14 AM | Pyke, I figured you would provide some explanation that seemed rational to you. That is fine. What bothers me is that unlike other atheists you have so far shown zero sense of humor on these forums. On another thread you called Christianity the greatest threat to the world. Do you realize this is not far from how Hitler thought of the Jews or Bin Laden thinks of Western Civilization? If you had said it in a snide or sarcastic voice it would be different. But I think you actually believe this.
Hitler argued for the extermination of a given group because he felt the Aryan [spelling might be off] race was superior to the others. That is relatively common knowledge.
I would take it a step further, and suggest Hitler didn't even care about the Jews, they just made a convenient target for him. He was able to galvinize his people against them, and provide an outlet and justification for their state of affairs. One could suggest that his beliefs, the Nazi Party, created zealots. Almost, if I might venture to suggest, along the same lines as one would find in the extremists of the religions I believe hurt humanity.
The difference between Bin Laden, Hitler, or any other such and myself, is ultimately that I speak against the idea, not the people who hold it. I don't advocate the extermination of the people, I don't believe they are less then human. I don't advocate violence or a lack of thought. I don't hate people because of their creed or race.
There's a significant difference, but I understand that one such as yourself would fail to see the distinction.
-Pyke
EDIT: Angela, you have to remember this: Creationists are fond of making it sound as if a theory is something you came up with after being up drunk all night. :p | |
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| Christianity v. Alchoholism: Which is worse?
Posted: 8/19/2006 5:01:07 PM | | as most people know stats can be made to say what ever you want them to say... what the 5% refers to is how many people stay sober after they first walk through the doors of aa... how many people go to aa and are not even alcoholic ie: did something stupid and want to get the heat off... how many go to aa and leave but come back later... so your 5% really doesn't mean anything just another blah blah blah statistic used to try to prove an unprovable arguement... the one truth in philosophy is you can't prove a negative | |
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| Christianity v. Alchoholism: Which is worse?
Posted: 8/21/2006 8:15:44 PM |
Christianity v. Alchoholism: Which is worse?
I love it when people try and come across as being smart and philosophical...
kind of a silly analogy if you ask Me.....
"Alcoholism V Sucking on Slurpees" fits better.... | |
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| Christianity v. Alchoholism: Which is worse?
Posted: 8/22/2006 4:40:45 AM | ^^^^
Only because you fail to grasp the concept that religion is a method of drugging the mind and removing reality in much the same way alcohol (and by extension, the devotees to it, whom are alcoholics) does.. | |
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| Christianity v. Alchoholism: Which is worse?
Posted: 8/22/2006 11:44:07 AM | Christianity is in the Mind and the Heart. Alcoholisim is in the Mind, the Liver and the Glass/Bottle. I feel awhole lot worse waking up on a Sunday after a Drinking Binge than I do waking up on a Monday after attending Church.
I tend to be saying More often "Please God, I'll Never Drink again" than "Please someone get me out of this boring Sermon" but both statements have been uttered on occasion.
For me the Drinking is Worse, I can go Months without attending Church and not get the shakes. One's harder to leave behind than the other. | |
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| Christianity v. Alchoholism: Which is worse?
Posted: 8/22/2006 2:19:32 PM | PYKE: If you post something like this, be prepared to be thought of as unimaginative, insulting, crase, and simple-minded. But hey, if that is why you are here at Plenty of Fish, a place to meet people, then you are doing a wonderful job because I think that you are....
Unimaginative 
Insulting
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| Christianity v. Alchoholism: Which is worse?
Posted: 8/22/2006 2:25:02 PM | | hey pyke.. how about a little closer analogy like atheism to fanatical feminism... both seem to think that they somehow superior and are at war with half (give or take a few percentage points)the worlds population | |
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| Christianity v. Alchoholism: Which is worse?
Posted: 8/23/2006 8:00:48 AM | Christianity by far.
Alcoholics Go to meetings, Much like your local congregations do every sunday BUT.
I see more happy drinkers at the local pub then I'd ever met coming out of a sermon in a daze.
Alcololics anonymous doesnt create armies to defeat christianity or the other religions out there.. .
IN FACT AA probably produces more k00ky born again's than Xtianity ITSELF!
AA doesnt persecute their oppositions either. Unlike the christian Right.
Xtianity is also probably responsible for more murders in our lenghty history on this planet than any other CULT.
Coming from someone else thats almost jumped on the whole Jesus bandwagon a few times in my life.
I know for a fact I'm that much better a person for choosing BEER over the biggest LIE ever told.
smokemifyagotem
Pastor Flatey | |
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| Christianity v. Alchoholism: Which is worse?
Posted: 8/23/2006 11:09:21 AM |
The more I see Mr.Pyke post, the more I am convinced he struggles with the need to accept one or the other. 
Uhm....
Yeah. I've never been drunk. I have drank, but always in moderation.
I've never done drugs, other then prescription medication.
I've never believed in god, despite attending a Catholic school.
I've never had difficulty coping with reality, despite it not always being pleasant.
I fail to see, where, in my posts, you would be confused about my stance?
I don't accept Christianity, it's full of deceit and deception; not to mention having an excellent reputation at harboring pedophiles and murderers, in the name of "god".
There is a noted difference between expressing views, showing an understanding of another perspective, accepting a point of view for an argument's sake, or etc., then actually struggling with the two.
I think, if that is what you truly believe, you are truly blind.
Perhaps your imaginary friend will give you sight.
-Pyke | |
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| Christianity v. Alchoholism: Which is worse?
Posted: 8/23/2006 11:44:33 AM | Whump whump whump whump whump whump [Chopper sound]
"Here's the Tony Roma's Rush Hour Traffic Report. Hey, why not try TR's new St Louis Rib Sampler? It looks like it's bumper-to-bumper on the Low Road as everyone appears to be trying to squeeze into the same lanes without thinking. Yep, it's pretty snarled up right now. If you can avoid this mess and take the High Road it looks like clear sailing."
GE&H | |
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| Christianity v. Alchoholism: Which is worse?
Posted: 8/23/2006 12:01:13 PM | | pyke.. you are quite correct when you say "there is a noted difference between expressing views, showing an understanding of another perspective, accepting a point of view for arguements sake..."... the problem is that you do none of the above .. all i have seen you do is trash and belittle others views/beliefs with rude insults and no creative arguement... so what do you think the outcome of that will be?... someone just as rude as you will come on from another perspective and say that you are fat and rude and why would they want to adopt your beliefs if thats what it will produce .. and then someone else will come on and say your mother wears army boots etc etc... whats the point? | |
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| Christianity v. Alchoholism: Which is worse?
Posted: 8/23/2006 12:31:24 PM | | What a stupid and ignorant Question! Wow....that really tells us what your all about! Comparing worship of an all loving God to a substance addiction!!! That's just about as low as you can go......... oh wait....there's hell too isn't there. | |
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| Christianity v. Alchoholism: Which is worse?
Posted: 8/23/2006 12:50:42 PM |
pyke.. you are quite correct when you say "there is a noted difference between expressing views, showing an understanding of another perspective, accepting a point of view for arguements sake..."...
I'm generally correct, but I'll accept the premise.
the problem is that you do none of the above .. all i have seen you do is trash and belittle others views/beliefs with rude insults and no creative arguement...
Uhm...Have you been reading the same threads as me? I generally post *extensive* replies citing my rational and logic. I very rarely call people names directly, and even the indirect implied insults are generally simply an enormous distaste for religion in general and the foolishness it takes to believe it.
so what do you think the outcome of that will be?... someone just as rude as you will come on from another perspective and say that you are fat and rude and why would they want to adopt your beliefs if thats what it will produce ..
I didn't say anything about his opinion. He's welcome to hold it, of course, in this instance, it's wrong, so I made an effort to correct it. If he wants to stay religious, meh, it's his life to waste. Your's too actually.
and then someone else will come on and say your mother wears army boots etc etc... whats the point?
She does? Damn...Pretty cool girl.
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What a stupid and ignorant Question!
Why? It's controversial and offensive to believers perhaps, but a lot of non theists or atheists would agree that you could demonstrate a correlation between the two.
Wow....that really tells us what your all about! Comparing worship of an all loving God to a substance addiction!!!
I'm hardly the first. Karl Marx famously cited that religion was the opiate of the masses. Many people believe religion is a form of delusion equivelant to substance abuse. You don't, but many do, and it's a fair question to ask.
That's just about as low as you can go......... oh wait....there's hell too isn't there.
I guess I can see how a truthful statement would be painful. It does lack tact, true, but I don't think it's inappropriate...and neither, do the moderators I don't think. | |
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| Christianity v. Alchoholism: Which is worse?
Posted: 8/23/2006 1:08:59 PM | | you do post extensive replies but rational and logic are sadly lacking... anyone can post a lonnnnnnnnng reply... if it doesn;t say anything except "your stupid" then thats all your doing is posting lonnnnng replies | |
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| Christianity v. Alchoholism: Which is worse?
Posted: 8/23/2006 4:58:15 PM | I don't recall seeing any posts by Pyke that called anyone stupid. He asked a question and then stated his opinion. Radioflyer is the only one I saw call something stupid.
People also make the (unjustified) excuse "Sorry. I was Drunk." when confronted with their actions.
Whats the corresponding religious statement? ... I wonder?
Sorry, I was just following orders.
Oh and Radioflyer.....
Are you going to heaven?
Are you saying this was an intelligent thread? | |
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| Christianity v. Alchoholism: Which is worse?
Posted: 8/23/2006 5:57:43 PM | | It's because of your NEED to believe. I think it's a valid question, especially how people get so defensive and nuts when their belief is questioned and/or shown to be no more and no less real than any other belief. Everyone's heard of liquid courage.Say a drinker wants to ask someone out. They feel braver when they have a couple of drinks. Someone fears death, but they feel braver with the illusion of a belief of an afterlife. The drink doesn't mean you'll score and the belief doesn't mean you will go to this Heaven place. But you'll feel better about your chances. They are both crutches. JMO | |
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| Christianity v. Alchoholism: Which is worse?
Posted: 8/23/2006 6:50:56 PM |
stonestongue: I don't recall seeing any posts by Pyke that called anyone stupid.
Pyke:
#33 - Oh my bad, I forgot, you aren't thinking.
#33 - ...maybe in your 'next life' you'll be better at this whole debating thing.
#50 - ...I have no need for absurd notions, you bring quiet enough for the both of us.
#54 - I understand that one such as yourself would fail to see the distinction.
#57 - ...you fail to grasp the concept that religion is a method of drugging the mind and removing reality...
Helpfully,
GE&H | |
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| Christianity v. Alchoholism: Which is worse?
Posted: 8/23/2006 8:01:11 PM |
Pyke:
#33 - Oh my bad, I forgot, you aren't thinking.
#33 - ...maybe in your 'next life' you'll be better at this whole debating thing.
#50 - ...I have no need for absurd notions, you bring quiet enough for the both of us.
#54 - I understand that one such as yourself would fail to see the distinction.
#57 - ...you fail to grasp the concept that religion is a method of drugging the mind and removing reality...
#33: Someone not thinking isn't calling them stupid, it's saying that they're not using their mind to think through the concept.
#33 (2): So people who can't debate are stupid? Interesting. I know many brilliant people who can't debate. In a religion forum it's relevant, every else it's not.
#50: Again, I didn't call him stupid. I called the belief absurd.
#54: Out of context, I was refering to his beliefs not intelligence.
#57: Yes, due to delusion, not intelligence.
None of those quotes call the person stupid. They are all taken out of context. Have I made negative comments about people (in general), yes. I admitted to that though, if someone is presenting a foolish point I'm going to call the point foolish, and why.
Doesn't mean I'm calling them stupid.
Helpfully,
-Pyke | |
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| Christianity v. Alchoholism: Which is worse?
Posted: 8/23/2006 9:30:32 PM | Anything you say in a forum can and will be used against you.
Posted By: Pyke on 8/23/2006 2:09:21 PM Uhm.... Yeah. I've never been drunk. I have drank, but always in moderation. ------------------------------------------------------------------ 8/10/2006 12  37 PM Alchoholism be defined as (and is defined by my University as): ------------------------------------------------------------------ Posted By: Pyke 8/10/2006 2  45 PM I can't. After I've consumed enough, it becomes alchohol
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Those posts strongly implied that you were drinking to some excess at the time of the initial post. | |
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| Christianity v. Alchoholism: Which is worse?
Posted: 8/24/2006 4:32:28 AM |
Anything you say in a forum can and will be used against you.
Posted By: Pyke on 8/23/2006 2:09:21 PM
Uhm....
Yeah. I've never been drunk. I have drank, but always in moderation.
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Alchoholism be defined as (and is defined by my University as):
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Posted By: Pyke 8/10/2006 245 PM
I can't.
After I've consumed enough, it becomes alchohol
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Those posts strongly implied that you were drinking to some excess at the time of the initial post.
Uh....Maybe, if you didn't understand the English language at all (to point 1).
People who have had a beer are not alcoholics.
Additionally, misspelling alcohol doesn't prove you've been drinking, it's a typo; probably caused by silent letters and French, but who knows. | |
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| Christianity v. Alchoholism: Which is worse?
Posted: 8/25/2006 9:08:56 AM | Christianity can mean alot of things. From the hell fire spouting bible thumping, gay-bashing, zealot to the humble, quiet, unconditionally loving, peaceful and wise old nun. Seems to me that it can be taken to an unfortunate extreme (but doesn't need to).
Alcohol is much the same. Some have but a few drinks and laugh and are merry. Others abuse it and are intolerant and annoying.
I would think that one can ruin one's life (and make a total idiot of oneself) with just about anything...booze, sex, drugs, food, religion, internet forums... you name it... the potential for abuse is everywhere. | |
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