| Dating a seperated person
Posted: 3/23/2005 8:21:34 PM | Angel
And, as I rercently said, there is ample room for anyone's interpretation, as you just iterated citing the opinions of several authors. This is what makes the world go around, and our own (personal) interpretation is what makes us content with our own religion.
Angel, I think you weren't able to read the one thread I wrote, that there is a 2-way street involving divorce. That being, that either man OR woman casues the other to commit adultry in case of divorce, therefore the reasons are the same and have nothing to do with the political or economic impact it would make on just a single woman. So, it must apply to men, too, and obviously it doesn't. I'm not going to quote Scriptures here because there are more non-Christians here than Christians and I don't care to be involved in monopolizing things. Rather, I will just say that I already did quote them, and because both man AND woman cause the other to commit adultry, it seems obvious that there can only be one reason why there is no differentiation regarding this...
Because, as the Bible said, "What God has joined together, no man (does this mean man OR woman?) may seperate". Again, no more Scriptures , search for it and you will find it.
It applies equally to both men and women, and for the same reasons.
Ciao, mein Freund.
BTW, In the place where I call home, Ciao is Italian, Romanian, Lichtensteinien, Suisse, etc, but it it also used when speaking my Mother tongue,
German
Loren
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Posted: 3/23/2005 8:58:58 PM | The citations were taken from Matthew 5, Matthew 19, and 1 Corinthians 7. It's in the bible, not just the authors' writing -- specifically, the exceptional phrases. I only make mention of the authors, because they explain it further. Yes, it applies to both men and women and is stated as such, in the bible.
I won't bore you with how many times I've read the bible or how long I've studied it, but I will inform you that you've left out the exceptions, in your quoting of it.
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Posted: 3/23/2005 9:24:29 PM | Interesting comments Angel....but taken from the english language using someones interpretation of that translation. The bible was meant to be a guide in my opinion not the absolute reality of what is or what we should do...if so....it would be written by god him or herself in all languages and specifically....not time oriented and changed language by language as interpretated by those translating it.......I hope you get this and are not offended.....we are all entitled to our own opinion and feelings. | |
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Posted: 3/23/2005 9:30:41 PM | WHEN DID THIS THREAD BECOME ABOUT RELIGION?????????????
CAN WE GET BACK ON TOPIC NOW???? | |
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Posted: 3/23/2005 10:26:49 PM | Sarita: I don't agree with you; you don't agree with me. Our truths are different. Mine comes from taking the words I read in the Bible literally and to mean what they say. You, on the other hand, want to justify acceptance based upon popular modern day considerations. We will never come to agreement.
In my mind, Biblical and religious debate is beyond the scope and intent of this Post. That, in part, is why I said "Why are we debating this."
No nos dividamos sobre esto. Permanezca a amigo(a)s? Sí?
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Posted: 3/24/2005 4:05:07 AM | n my mind, Biblical and religious debate is beyond the scope and intent of this Post. That, in part, is why I said "Why are we debating this."
Well put, Ron.
Consider that the following two statements made by the same poster, he seems to be debating himself as well.
Immorality and/or *lack of religion* have give marriage a bad name
And every person I've ever met has a "religion" no matter how you describe it.
Troll with a nuisance fetish,
.....or narcissist?
His discourtesy, bigotry and intolerance have been noted by a few ......
mspicky-
my point? this thread is about personal preference.
Squeak-
Ms Picky....I agree...the bible was written in a different time zone......twilight to be exact.
MD Biker -
Lets not make this thread turn into a drawn out religious debate, its off topic anyway. But keep in mind that YOUR religious beliefs are only yours and do not apply to anyone else.
Laurie -
oh my god, yeah god in small letters!!!! if you want to date a separated person go ahead and do it. but be aware of his/her situation.
Soulbane -
I had a good dad.
He was a better man than your god.
cocopuff -
People need to stop judging others, and get on with life
-wgbss
If one has no knowledge of what led to the separation it's not fair to view the participants in such an aggressively negative light.
passinthrough -
As for the church, yeah it's great. Gotta love any centuries old, morally condescending establishment that will alter their views for a few bucks. But expressing my contempt for organized religion would consume too much bandwidth here.
reeferjones -
I'm with ya on tha organized religion thing..........I have my spirituality and I KNOW when I'm wrong
DragonN -
Too many variables for anyone to judge another.
Soulbane -
You need no god to be a morally good person. You only need your own wisdom, and the courage to follow it. If that isn't good enough for your god, then you need a new god.
Jenn -
Please do not judge. Please do not put labels on lives that you are in no position to judge. For some reason you took the question of "would you date a seperated person" and used it to run off at the mouth.
tin man -
Please do not judge. Please do not put labels on lives that you are in no position to judge. For some reason you took the question of "would you date a seperated person" and used it to run off at the mouth.
Rory -
To go back 2000 years for the moral and legal word on matters of marriage is to give authority for an idea that wasn't born then.
Mspicky -
you condescending f*ck. you need to get over yourself.
wgbss -
While religion I feel can have a great amount of bearing to this topic - if religion is a part of your life - namecalling should have stopped around grade 6 in most folks cases, at your age Orphes you should really know better to hold a debate in a respectful manner and avoid remarks like that.
Rory -
One that amazes me is how 'true christians' can be so incredibly arrogant.
MD Biker -
Well I see that the religious right just won't let it go and realize that Mspicky and several other that have posted, including myself, DO GET IT. This is a thread about whether or not people would make the pesonal decision to date a separated person. It is not a forum for the religious gestapo to preach to others.
tin man -
My biggest beef right now is with Orphes1...
Selean -
Somethings are wrong and staying with someonelike my soon to be ex because of a skewed perception of Biblical principles is wrong.
meetduckie -
Somethings are wrong and staying with someonelike my soon to be ex because of a skewed perception of Biblical principles is wrong.
mspicky -
WHEN DID THIS THREAD BECOME ABOUT RELIGION?????????????
CAN WE GET BACK ON TOPIC NOW????
Well Ron, ...since you seem to grasp that there is some thread-jacking going on, ....as twice now you've stated -
"Why are we debating this."
I offer a third explaination.
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Posted: 3/24/2005 5:30:13 AM | Ever the eternal optimistic, I'm looking at it this way. So far, the only person who refuses to date us disgusting separated people is Orphes1.
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Posted: 3/24/2005 10:00:32 AM | Late
I'm really surprised at you!
The term "religion" can be used interchangeably describing one's way of life, or one's belief, although the two can be only used this way in the sub-culture of non-believers. We can play on semantics, or we can use the terms in the vernacular, but normally, most people with room temperature IQ's can differentiate between the two uses. Some can not. You disappoint me. I thought you could...
So, I will educate you just a bit, and clear up all those cobwebs;
People worship anything and everything, but since we often err, we misuse words and terms, and forget how they are used in context and content within a state ment, such as yourself, one who starts sentences right in the middle of a sentence. When a person makes the statement that I did, it would naturally follow that the content (and content) would obviously notate different applications and different meanings. We all have a religion. So, perhaps I should have said " Because we often don't practice a Christian religion, we do not have a creed to fall back on". Perhaps that would have made things easier for you to follow? The reason I just used the term "Christian" is because just as you were (clearly) unable to follow the use of those words and the applications, I think it is necessary to remind you that before Christianity and Judaesm came into being there were no "marriages" or, at least as you yourself and others on here describe them here, ie. "legal" ones. Before Christianity and Judaesm were started, women were treated much like cattle and weapons, etc. They were all paid for with anything available. They were "purchased" and in India, they sometimes still are.
If you still don't quite understand all this, perhaps Ron can assist you. He seems to be the brightest person here when it comes to literary meanings and sentence structure. I'm sure he can help you out. This is the best I can do to help you Late. the rest is up to you. I'm sorry you got so confused.
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Posted: 3/24/2005 10:06:36 AM | If you could see past the end of your own nose, you would realize that most folks on this thread myself included,
........aren't confused,
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Posted: 3/24/2005 11:10:28 AM | I Would NEVER date a someone who is seperated!
It's pointless and makes no sense...Show me some Final Divorce Papers...From the Start!!
Sorry....but seperated would never under any circumstance be good enough in my eye's | |
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Posted: 3/24/2005 11:16:54 AM | So, a woman who's husband has beaten her, and her child ......
Should not date or fall in love, 'til the paperwork clears some clerk's desk?
Even if it takes years, due to constraints of finance/circumstance?
Does it even matter if it's 6 months or 10 years?
If there is love?
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Posted: 3/24/2005 11:21:06 AM | | Whatevea....Sweetens Your Kool-Aid....I was just stating that....I would NEVER under any circumstance date someone who was "Seperated"......And that It would NEVER be GOOD ENOUGH FOR "ME".... | |
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Posted: 3/24/2005 11:26:38 AM | Whatevea....Sweetens Your Kool-Aid....I was just stating that....I would NEVER under any circumstance date someone who was "Seperated"......And that It would NEVER be GOOD ENOUGH FOR "ME"....
I understand the idea of your personal preference, I was asking a question outside of it.
You don't feel that there is any reason to look beyond paperwork when it comes to love, especially when the divorce is pending, and a foregone conclusion?
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Posted: 3/24/2005 11:29:56 AM | Sorry...but know I don't...but then again...your asking a former Law Student
Not to mention if someone has sufferd abuse....the VERY LAST THING they should be looking
for is another releationship....going into another relationship would seem pretty co-dependant
in my opinion...the abused person not only needs time to heal....but needs to learn how to stand on their own....I would probably suggest A Program Called Celebrate Recovery....
This program is designed to help ones Charcter Defects....helping people to understand
the reasons that they have made bad choices...Along with teaching them how to make better future choices....so that they are less likely to repeat the negativities of their previous
abusive realtionship's....
***My Mom has been the excutive director of a Battered Womens Shelter for numerous years.....so please don't think that just not sympathetic....because that's not the case at all:) | |
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Posted: 3/24/2005 11:30:54 AM | Spoiled
You are absolutely correct. I have come to the rescue of two different women in my life who's husband was beating the sh*tout of them. I have a green belt in Juijitsu (the gentle art), and a brown in Sogo Kempo (the killing art), and when I decided to woop some ass in the case of these two different guys who were bloodying up their wives, I was told to "mind your own f-----g business" by one (an American), and told "He can do it if he wants to, he's my husband" by the other (a German). One of the two women went back to her husband. He got counseling and has not laid a hand on her since, and maybe the other one killed his wife, I don't know..., but as for myself, I found out for sure that marriages CAN be reconciled, even if they get so disgustingly violent. It's a real crap shoot (rationally) to fool with a seperated person, religion or not.
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Posted: 3/24/2005 11:42:44 AM |
Sorry...but know I don't...but then again...your asking a former Law Student
By this are you implying that your reasons are dotted "i's" and crossed "t's" ?
....and not the situation or the different legislations or customs of different jusristictions and cultures?
Honest question. | |
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Posted: 3/24/2005 12:09:54 PM | Thanks Loren...and that is true...The majority of abused persons...do indeed continue to
return to the situation at hand...and either die at the hands of their abuser or finally leave
he or she...
Late: Yes I do happen to be a former Law Student....And my mom has directed a battered
womens shelter for years...so there for I have seen many different situations....my reason's
are not soley based on my Education....it's a combination of my previous education along
with my knowledge of abusive situations....and my personal opinion:)
Good Luck and I'll drop in and post later...It's time for me to get off work for the day:) | |
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Posted: 3/24/2005 12:10:57 PM | Some of the opinions posted here can really make a separated person feel like sh!t that's been smooshed into the dirt! Some comments come across that separated people are nothing and totally worthless. I'm not saying that the comments have hit me this way ... because I know what went on in my marriage and I know that I am a better person for finally working up the nerve to leave it and it WAS the BEST thing that I could do for me and my children. I agree that some people don't take marriage and the vows serious enough to try to work out the problems ... but what about the ones who did?
Some feel that there is too much baggage from a marriage to get involved, so they avoid the separated ones. I was in a long term relationship with a single, never married guy and he carried more baggage from previous relationships than those I know who are separated. So with the same theory as what is on topic here ... does that mean that I should not date any single, not married guys anymore?
So here's another question to the topic ... What makes you 'single, never married' people think that you're wholesome, pure and better than a separated person? Let's hear it! Give the reasons why you would make better mates than separated ones. | |
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Posted: 3/24/2005 2:24:08 PM | BTW
Here is a challenge for those who consider themselves "intelligent" or "intellectual";
Here is a clue;
It pertains to the discussion at hand. Mind you, that this is not a good place for those who primarily criticise others, it is more a question for those who have the capacity to project, and with clarity and intent, and certainly not for the case of nit-picking... or name-calling.
Where did the term Orphes come from?
And why would it so dramatically pertain to this discussion?
Good luck. I think only one person on this thread can answer this question, and I think you all know why. Come on smart people, let's see what U got...
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Posted: 3/24/2005 2:31:31 PM | Let's hear it! Give the reasons why you would make better mates than separated ones.
Very good question!
@ Larry -
Why does everything have to be about YOU?
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Posted: 3/24/2005 2:55:30 PM | @ SP
Yes I do happen to be a former Law Student....And my mom has directed a battered
womens shelter for years...so there for I have seen many different situations....my reason's
are not soley based on my Education....it's a combination of my previous education along
with my knowledge of abusive situations....and my personal opinion:)
So, ......what are the reasons? | |
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