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| Smoking, how brainwashed are you?
Posted: 4/11/2007 11:19:45 PM | I don't smoke , but...
Because of social conditioning , people are very emotional....almost religiously zealous when it comes to anti-smoking .....it's very similar to political correctness.
I think that smoking is bad for a persons health , that's not disputed.
However ,
I believe there is no question that there have been exagerations and disinformation ..
I believe that the reason the establishment has indoctrinated people and totally demonized smoking is for essentially two reasons:
1. Smoking can be used as the scape goat for alot of illnesses, diverting the blame back on to the victims and diverting the public from questioning the massively lucrative medical industry.
2. The establishment intends on (and is in the process of) using smoking to get a foot in the door of social behaviour control and allowing big government into private homes and businesses .
ps. the multi billion dollar tobacco corporations are quite happy and they are onside , because they are , of course , actually part of the establishment and are guranteed a very safe and steady profit. | |
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| Smoking, how brainwashed are you?
Posted: 4/12/2007 7:59:49 PM | So you're young, thin and a smoker. You're a heathly smoker, right? Not fat and hey, you probably get a little exercise too!
Looks like it affects heart function.
NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - Young adult smokers may seem healthy, but smoking is taking its toll on their heart, a research team in Poland reports. Chronic smoking appears to impair the ability of the heart to relax between beats, resulting in decreased pumping capacity. There is little information regarding the effects of smoking on cardiac function in young adults, Dr. Barbara Lichodziejewska and associates at Warsaw Medical University note in their article in the medical journal Chest.
The researchers used ultrasound to look at heart function in response to smoking among 66 healthy, slim adults, aged 20 to 40 years. Thirty-three had smoked 10-25 cigarettes per day for 6-20 years. Among the smoking group, tests were performed after a 2-hour non-smoking period, then repeated immediately after smoking.
The results showed multiple abnormalities among smokers indicating impairment of relaxation of the left ventricle, the main pumping chamber of the heart, Lichodziejewska and colleagues report. These changes are significant, the authors suggest, because impairment of ventricular relaxation is the first stage of serious heart dysfunction.
Abstract to the April 2007 paper in the biomedical journal, Chest
Chronic and Acute Effects of Smoking on Left and Right Ventricular Relaxation in Young Healthy Smokers. Chest 2007 131:1142-1148.
Background: Left ventricular (LV) diastolic dysfunction has been observed in cigarette smokers with coronary artery disease. The aim of the study was to assess LV and right ventricular (RV) diastolic function in healthy, young, and slim smokers before and after smoking one cigarette.
Material and methods: The participants were 66 healthy volunteers (age 1) typical for impaired LV relaxation and abnormal for this age group. TVF E/A was significantly lower in HS-2 than in HS-1 and control subjects and suggests RV diastolic dysfunction.
Conclusions: The following conclusion are made: (1) MVF and PVF demonstrate LV relaxation impairment in healthy smokers before and after smoking one cigarette; (2) the assessment of PVF is a good method reflecting LV diastolic function changes, even when MVF remains normal; and (3) TVF shows RV relaxation impairment after smoking one cigarette in healthy smokers. | |
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| Smoking, how brainwashed are you?
Posted: 4/13/2007 7:55:49 AM | Cedar77, excellent post 
It's nice to see there are still some people in the world who use their minds rather than simply reacting.
As others have already pointed out, there is a lot of anti-smoking propaganda out there that manipulates facts at best, and creates outright lies at worst.
Contrary to popular belief, passive smoking or second-hand smoke can't possibly be worse than first hand for one simply reason...smokers get both! Anyone with half a brain should realize this, but it's amazing how many people actually believe the hype and think that smokers are somehow better off than non-smokers when a cigarette is lit.
We also hear a lot statistics about how many people second-hand smoke kills.
Ask yourself this.....how do they know?
I mean, if we don't even know why non-smokers come down with lung cancer, how the heck can we figure out how many die (if any) from second-hand smoke?
What is happening is that people on a crusade against smoking and smokers use the number of deaths from lung cancer, then subtract the number of smokers from the pool, and come up with a fictional number for how many people are killed by second hand smoke.
Those that know me also know that I'm a vegetarian as well as a smoker. I could easily condemn people who eat meat for poisoning their bodies, and the bodies of their children with growth hormones, but I don't.
I have better things to do than to dance around taking pride in things I've never done, or can't take credit for. We've become a nation that celebrates and takes pride in our skin color, height, etc. All of which we had nothing to do with.
So you've never smoked a cigarette or taken drugs, good for you. But instead of rattling off things you've never done in your life, why not celebrate what you have done? | |
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| Smoking, how brainwashed are you?
Posted: 4/13/2007 11:44:20 AM | Hmm, so, ah, you're celebrating being a smoker, is that it?
So you've never smoked a cigarette or taken drugs, good for you. But instead of rattling off things you've never done in your life, why not celebrate what you have done?
If 10% of those non-smokers living with smokers come down with lung cancer, and, 0.0023% of those non-smokers living with other non-smokers come down with lung cancer, well, I may be going out on a limb here, but, for a sample size in the hundreds of millions, it was living with a smoker that caused the lung cancer (except for something like one in 688 cases where it was industrial or environmental pollution).
I mean, if we don't even know why non-smokers come down with lung cancer, how the heck can we figure out how many die (if any) from second-hand smoke? | |
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| Smoking, how brainwashed are you?
Posted: 4/13/2007 1:31:29 PM | ^^^ That doesn't even make any sense 
And no I don't celebrate the fact I'm a smoker.
I'm just sick and tired of fat people several tables away fake coughing and acting holier than thou. | |
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| Smoking, how brainwashed are you?
Posted: 4/13/2007 1:41:59 PM | | I do not smoke but if I walk in an area outside where smokers are , usually a convenience store; I will hold my nose because I value my health and do not want any of that crap in my system . If that offends smokers I do not care .I know they have the right to smoke and I have to do what I feel is right to protect my health. Its not a matter of brainwashing its a matter of survival. | |
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| Smoking, how brainwashed are you?
Posted: 4/13/2007 1:53:42 PM | OK, celebration time then! I have smoked cigarettes...A LOT... 39 years of slavery to nicotine-laden drug delivery devices called cigarettes, and yet I quit cold turkey nine months ago and my very addicted husband quit four months later, in November! And this is my and his celebration every day! I/we fell for the hype about how 'hard' it is to quit smoking (Not! it's simple really, not easy sometimes but as simple as giving up one cigarette>>the next one!) I had fears , lots of them!, about what my life as an ex-smoker would be. I believed the hype that nicotine replacement therapy such as patches or gum were not only required to quit, but actually worked, but not for me, cause I couldn't imagine life without a cigarette in my mouth anyways. ( fyi, nicotine replacement only prolongs the few short days of nicotine 'detox' and hence prolongs the 'misery' , and often discourages further attempts at quitting) Addiction programmes don't give out alcohol to recovering alcoholics to 'ease' their withdrawal so why would one take nicotine to overcome nicotine addiction. I would never for example, eat pork or shellfish for many reasons, yet I would willingly poison every fibre of my body with all the toxic soup in cigarettes, nicotine being the chief offender. I never knew that nicotine was the tobacco plant's natural insecticide. Ick! What a lovely thought, smoking insecticide. (EW!) I never knew that cigarettes have added bronchodilators to facilitate inhalation. (Lots of flavourings added too.) I would rationalize that living in a polluted environment was just as bad if not worse than smoking, so why should I bother to quit. I knew and used every excuse in the 'smoking book'. You know what my problem was? Addiction! I was ignorant and uneducated about nicotine addiction. I had unfounded fears about quitting smoking, fears about never having another cigarette, fears of having to change my 'lifestyle', fears of 'jonesing' for a smoke for the rest of my life. I feared making the decision to quit. Yet quitting was SO much easier than even making the decision and more do-able than I ever would have imagined. You know, the only person that craves a smoke consistently is a smoker. I would rather be an ex-smoker who every so often merely 'thinks' about a cigarette, than be a craving user who ALWAYS has to replenish their nicotine levels by smoking a cigarette over and over again, ad infinitum. My smoking behavior at various times was (bottom of the barrel 'need a ciggie fix now') depraved.
I am not standing on a soap box now condemning the smoking world. I was a willing part of it for most of my life. Smoking defined who I was , what I did, where I went, and punctuated my use of time. I was defiant and defensive to my choice 'vice'.
I am enlightened now to the propaganda and brainwashing lies that the tobacco and pharmaceutical companies spew out and there is a LOT of it. I am free of the addiction blinders, armed with the truth about nicotine addiction and am happy to share this truth. I know I would never listen to reason or truth when I was a smoker. I rationalized every excuse to smoke, despite the loving concern of my children (it's my right! I would say ) and despite having to literally fight for a breath at the top of a flight of stairs. (rationalized that it must be my asthma or allergies) Yet, in the back of my mind there was a teeny voice that struggled to be heard, because deep down I knew that smoking was destructive and that 'some day' I would have to seriously consider quitting smoking or it would kill me) But I also was scared. Scared of dying gasping for a breath. Scared of being a bib- drooling, diaper-clad stroke victim. Scared of putting myself and family through the anguish and pain of a very possible chemotherapy regime some day. Or maybe the possibility of listening to my daughter sob as she mercifully shaves my head after chemo so I won't have to experience the trauma of seeing wads of hair falling off my scalp. There are lot of 'what ifs' to think about and addiction turns our minds away from reality . The expense of smoking was ridiculous but I always calculated my drugs on my shopping list. Having a constant supply was vital. I thought I loved smoking. (Wrong! just junkie thinking in its prime!) Add to this a HUGE fear of quitting and I rationalized I might as well keep on smoking DESPITE my health, despite my family, despite any truthful information I turned my ears away from hearing. We all die of something some day, and even if a smoking-related disease is the reason for my demise, I will not die with regrets and apologies and self-condemnation because I am doing the right thing NOW. And this makes every day a blessing of healing in so many ways. When I was a smoker, I defended my addiction. As an ex-smoker, I will continue to defend my quit with passion, with hope and with truth. I was killing myself slowly with cigarettes---My health, my life and my family deserve the best I can give them and quitting smoking will give me the best chance at spending more time here on this earth with those I love. When I was younger, I wasn't that concerned about my future health. Cancer, strokes, emphysema and heart attacks seemed to happen to 'other' people or old people. I was very wrong about this. I could have been DEAD wrong. I do wish I had used my smarts to quit a long time ago. 20/20 hindsight is easy now, but was hidden in my cloud of cigarette smoke for many years. It is not my job to convert smokers, but I won't remain silent about the truth about smoking, or dipping or chewing or patch and gum use, or the unholy alliance between the tobacco and pharmaceutical companies. I think we all deserve to at least hear the truth and make informed choices.
I strongly agree that there is a lot of misinformation on both sides of the smoking and quitting issues. I am appalled at how far the medical profession has fallen for the propaganda too. I found a lot of accurate information at www. whyquit. com last July and applying it has changed my life. The site is free, educational and supportive and could very well be the catalyst for a positive life-changing experience for anyone who wants to know the truth about nicotine or who desires to be drug free.
"Goody-goody for you" , some may say about me quitting smoking. But I say AMEN, I am FREE from the obligating maintenance and insidious life-depriving addiction to nicotine and all its riff-raff. I will never again line the pockets of the tobacco industry with so much as even a penny. ($3462.00 is what I haven't had to hand over to 'Tobacco and Government' since July) ( I don't even want to know how much I wasted for the 39 years that I smoked) Was I addicted? Yes. Was it a choice to smoke? Yes. Was I brainwashed? Yes.
Am I Free?? Oh ya, I am FREE! And this is priceless.
....Chipits.... | |
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| Smoking, how brainwashed are you?
Posted: 4/13/2007 8:31:09 PM | thank you OP someone can prove my point for me, 'cause I never had the facts.
I'm sorry, but when you travel to countries other than the States, you see that tons and tons of people smoke there. I don't see them putting up such a fuss, and saying the things North America is.
And I'm sorry, but if smoking was THAT harmful to you, that everything they say if true, the government would have banned it, which, they haven't. | |
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| Smoking, how brainwashed are you?
Posted: 4/13/2007 8:36:26 PM | Lets see: Destroys cilia, decreases oxygen, tar in the lungs, lower immunity, likely candidate for lung cancer in the long term, makes you look and stink like crap, etc....
Yeah, Id have to say your pretty brainswashed to smoke after all the warnings. | |
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| Smoking, how brainwashed are you?
Posted: 4/14/2007 2:34:47 AM | Govt banning something because its harmful  Is that poster for real . If that were the case than alcohol would be banned because its harmful .Yet marijuana would be legalized because it has been proven to be one of the best pain killers ever. Our govt makes laws based on money PERIOD. Cigarette smoking is a cash cow especially with the taxes . I hope they raise taxes even more . Can anyone say fascism lmao . | |
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| Smoking, how brainwashed are you?
Posted: 5/4/2008 5:59:37 PM | Does anybody need pictures, normal lung vs smoker's lung ?
(you've been WARNED!)
http://www.quitsmokingsupport.com/lungphotos.htm
http://www.presmark.com/htmlfile/pictures.htm
I know, I know. You can't trust pictures, they've been all photoshopped. | |
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| Smoking, how brainwashed are you?
Posted: 5/5/2008 8:11:42 AM | smoking is just as bad for you as popping all those extra vitamins and minerals you don't need. all the health nuts out there with their omega talk think they are going to live to be 150 when in reality, all the body needs is a multi-vitamin a day.
unless you are deficient, consuming extra vitamins and minerals can lead to toxic levels in your body. if you eat a decent diet, nobody should need to spend $300 at GNC.
I smoke, drink in moderation, go to the gym, work hard, sleep a lot, eat what i want, and will die of something. maybe cancer, maybe CHF, maybe freak accident,....but it won't be from choking on a fish oil capsule while rolling my pilates mat up after chugging a wheat grass shake. stop paying for shit you don't need. my last CXR was beautiful, no infiltrates..my bloodwork..immaculate. enjoy your life    | |
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| Smoking, how brainwashed are you?
Posted: 5/5/2008 8:42:36 AM | Smokers stink. If I'm around them for very long their habit makes me stink. They litter constantly but almost all of them deny doing it (it's only the other smokers that are responsible for all the butts). They are unhealthy, cough a lot and spit up their sputum on the ground. They get into a frenzy if they don't have a pack and they start begging for a smoke from other smokers. They get defensive and try to justify their habit to people who don't smoke. They live in denial and avoid the almost inevitable cumulative affects of their habit that will eventually come home to roost.
How brainwashed am I? I'm not - I'm just observant. | |
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| Smoking, how brainwashed are you?
Posted: 5/5/2008 10:05:30 AM | More brainwashing. My gawd, when will it stop?
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2008-05/uoc--sse050208.php | |
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| Smoking, how brainwashed are you?
Posted: 5/5/2008 5:19:00 PM | Since for some reason I CAN'T CREATE A NEW POST
<div class="quote">Taken from WIRED magazine....
http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/magazine/16-05/st_cigarette
What's Inside: For a Refreshing Hint of Tear Gas, Light Up a Cigarette
By Patrick di Justo
Tobacco
Thanks to nicotine, this plant may be mildly hallucinogenic. It can be chewed, brewed, smoked, or, as some South American shamans prefer, enjoyed as an enema.
Paper
Tobacco firms are very secretive about their products' myriad ingredients, but we do know that about 10 percent of any given smoke is simply cellulose and a thin strip of adhesive.
Ammonium Hydroxide
Essentially ammonia in water. There is some evidence that ammonia reacts with tobacco to free the nicotine, making it more accessible to the bloodstream (manufacturers dispute this). Of course, the Material Safety Data Sheet warns that inhaling ammonia vapors, whatever the source, may damage the upper respiratory tract.
Castoreum
Commonly found in the secretions of a beaver's castor glands (located near the animal's genitals), this substance when processed gives your cigarette a sweet odor and smoky flavor. In 1991, Phillip Morris used just 8 pounds of the pungent stuff to make 400 billion cigarettes — proving that a little genital secretion goes a long way.
2-Acetyl-3-Ethylpyrazine
According to tobacco-industry documents, this pyrazine (an aromatic ringed compound) provides an "earthy depth of flavor." Funny, when the same compound is used in food preparation, it's described as tasting like potatoes.
Copaiba Oil
One way that Brazil intends to make itself hydrocarbon-independent is with the oleoresin of the copaiba tree, which is so flammable it can practically fuel a diesel engine without any refining at all. Why is it in cigarettes? One possibility is that ammonium hydroxide decreases combustibility, so manufacturers have to counteract it with a nontoxic accelerant. Perhaps, but copaiba oil is also used as a folk remedy for prostate tumors (and gonorrhea).
Phenyl Methyl Ketone (Acetophenone)
C6H5COCH3 is a major component of tear gas, which should come as no surprise to anyone who's hung out in a smoke-filled bar. Here it may act as a low-level narcotic.
Gamma-Heptalactone
This compound is a mild inhibitor of the CYP2A6 enzyme, which helps break down substances — including nicotine — in the bloodstream. By slowing this process, heptalactone may help keep the precious nicotine in your body longer.
Sugar
Burning sugar releases acetaldehyde (as does fermenting alcohol), which at least one study says has a narcotic effect. It's also a positive reinforcer when combined with nicotine — each amplifies the other's effect on your brain (and the likelihood you'll want to keep smoking).
Levulinic Acid
This crystalline substance desensitizes the upper respiratory tract, creating a perception of smoothness or mildness. It's also another way of juicing tobacco's high — levulinic acid enhances the binding of nicotine to the appropriate receptors in the brain, giving you more bang with each puff.
L-Arginine
Smoking tobacco causes monocytes (specialized white blood cells) to stick to the endothelial cells on the inner walls of arteries and veins. This buildup, like all circulatory blockages, can lead to heart attack and stroke. Arginine, a common amino acid, may reverse some of this accumulation when taken orally. So, in a sense, maybe cigarettes aren't so bad after all. | |
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| Smoking, how brainwashed are you?
Posted: 5/9/2008 5:13:30 AM | I am a smoker, and in fact you probably met another who so pro-smoking and loves the habit as much as. I remember wanted to smoke as early as 5 or 6 and once I was old enough I took up the habit and havent regretted my decision to start because I love smoking. The taste, the smell, everything about it. I actually enjoy smoking, and believe it or not there are some people who actually enjoy it and dont want to quit. I can tell you I dont want to, nor will I ever quit. To me it is worth the risks. But that is off point, its more foreshadowing for what I have to say.
Facts being fudged? Lmao, of course they are, anything that has to do with government or government related agencies are going to fudge facts. Most cancer is actually gene related, and smoking might very well not cause it, but Im sure helps to aggravate the genes that do. As for the no black lungs from smoking theory. Ok well maybe tar doesnt build up on your lungs. But if not, then where does the brown phlegm a smoker tends to cough up come from? Regardless of black lungs. We do know that nicotine stains things. Anyone who smokes in home, or even in the smoke room of a work place knows this. It sticks to everything and discolors it. So perhaps this can be the cause of the phlegm. So at least smoking agitates the lungs and im pretty sure that again at least nicotine is sticking to lungs and discoloring them. Im not doctor, lets just assume that naturally this discoloring of the lungs is what helps them to only function slightly worse, which helps to deplete nutrients in the body and so the soultion is to take more vitamins. Maybe this is in fact the reality. While as I said I am very much a happy smoker, I cant very well buy into the fact that the lungs are suffering in some form from smoking.
As someone pointed out, statistics are always going to be fudged. Anyone who learned the difference in mean, median, and mode in school knows that while one statistic may be more accurate who ever is benefiting from this survey is going to use the method that best suits their needs. So in essence I could take the same set of statistics about smokers, and come out with a high number of lung cancer cases using the mode method and use those same numbers with a much lower result using the mean method. So yea point proven in statistics being unreliable. But it doesnt really matter, as with everything in life there are going to be statistics to prove a point and statistic to disprove the point. Maybe with some subjects one side is going to be pursued more and shoved down people throats. But it doesnt matter what we think, everyone is going to believe what they believe. If tommorow it is proven that smoking helps you live to be a 100 its going to take 10 or 20 years before the general masses begin to believe it you know?
Bottom line just as with everything in life is a crap shot. Some people want to live to be a 100 and some are content with 50. It doesnt matter how healthy your lifestyle is tommorow you may find something your doing is bad and you will die from it. The simple truth is. I can be as healthy as an ox as they say and someones brakes on the freeway fail and my numbers up. I might drink and smoke and not care of my health and get a long great as a 90 year old. I could do everything right and take care of myself and be bed ridden in my 70s talking to myself and need help to pee. You can take all the averages you want, you might be in the smaller percent. You can say, dont smoke, you need to try and prolong your life and you may be in the smaller group that dies early never having smoked. Or develops lung cancer. Life really is a bit too short I think for such arguements. Life the lifestyle you prefer, decide for yourself, its all a personal choice.
Me, I live as I see fit. I love smoking, so I do it. I might die on Sunday, I might live to be 95 but I do know that while Im here Im going to do what I enjoy doing, and that happens to be smoking. ~lights up~ Let the statistics say what they say. Smoke if you desire, dont if you dont. Quit if you want, or keep smoking if you love and dont desire to. Just let the people be the people. | |
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| Smoking, how brainwashed are you?
Posted: 5/9/2008 12:46:04 PM | Always fascinating to see an addict rationalize the drug use.
Same ol' same ol'.
Good luck!!
"Absolute liberty is absence of restraint; responsibility is restraint; therefore, the ideally free individual is responsible to himself."
Adams, Henry Brooks American Historian (1838-1918)
"In a democracy, the individual enjoys not only the ultimate power but carries the ultimate responsibility."
Cousins, Norman American author (1915–1990)
"The willingness to accept responsibility for one's own life is the source from which self-respect springs."
Didion, Joan American writer (1934– ) | |
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| Smoking, how brainwashed are you?
Posted: 5/10/2008 7:44:40 PM | I smoked a pack a day for 20 years. Quit December 31, 2000. I've gained 40 pounds since then. But even so....
This fatass bikes 100 miles per week and can hike like nobodies' business. I ain't gonna trade that away for NOTHIN. | |
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| Smoking, how brainwashed are you?
Posted: 5/12/2008 12:35:02 PM | | im really getting tired of these ad campaigns about smoking is stupid and show the person doing a stupid action ..hello !! maybe smoking does cause some harm but what about pollution that we have created especially in hamilton god it stinks in summer we are breathing that but companies dont get told shit if they have there not doing enough ..not brainwashed quit on my own and feel better but people watching believing those ads are brainwashed! | |
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| Smoking, how brainwashed are you?
Posted: 5/12/2008 1:11:29 PM | | if the entire smoking population quit all at once, the health care industry would be devastated. the government would create a new addictive substance that over the course of time creats COPD, lung CA, emphysema...etc. We keep hospitals running. Singulair, Advair, any kind of respiratory med./inhaler sale would drop....the pharmaceutical world would suffer billions financially...the amount of hospital admissions for respiratory problems would drop significantly. if smoking is so bad, why hasn't the government made it illegal?$?$?$?$$$ | |
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| Smoking, how brainwashed are you?
Posted: 5/12/2008 9:04:58 PM | $70B/year is size of US cigarette market.
Evil, murderous Philip-Morris is throwing money around in Congress to exempt the more addictive, easier-to-adopt menthol cigarettes from cigarette regulation under consideration. Menthol cigs are very popular with blacks.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/13/business/13menthol.html?hp | |
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| Smoking, how brainwashed are you?
Posted: 5/13/2008 7:37:57 AM | i think philip morris, budweiser, and coca cola are the three biggest money makers...but tell you what, america's number one killer is still heart disease. i'd rather smoke a big fat ciggie than eat a bacon double cheeseburger at BK. go after burger king! one year of eating crap vs. one year of smoking. see which one kills you faster.
my arteries are not filled with mayo. the surgeon general should put a warning on those fries! ever see (Supersize Me?) that documentary about the man who ate nothing but fast food for a month...almost ended up on dialysis.
i am a smoker. i know it is not good for me. i don't need facts. i am not brainwashed.
and satx78218, why do you think menthols are more popular with blacks? i noticed the cig companies market particulaly to them? what is the reasoning behind this? is this a cultural thing? where did this originate? i am curious. | |
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| Smoking, how brainwashed are you?
Posted: 5/13/2008 9:22:24 AM | "why do you think menthols are more popular with blacks"
I'm not black and I don't smoke, so I can't say, but The NYTimes article did says menthol helps overcomes the body's initial revulsion, rejection, and harsh flavor of the smoke in the lungs/mouth before addiction kicks in and the body quits fighting the toxicity. 75% blacks using menthol could be a social thing, vs 25% of whites.
"number one killer is still heart disease"
Nearly all heart disease is due to self-inflicted lifestyle, bad diet, no exercise. Smoking, like excess weight, is a great lifestyle enhancement that improves nearly every other disease and give a huge assist to dozens of risk factors! | |
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| Smoking, how brainwashed are you?
Posted: 8/28/2008 1:48:33 AM | hummm.... there is no smoker who doesn't KNOW this...
smokers are NOT stupid.
however...men do not care...if i smoke...
they like me just the same... never heard one complain yet...
but, i guess there must be a few horse's behind's...in this world?
auh...yes ... :o) | |
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