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| Smoking, how brainwashed are you?
Posted: 10/19/2008 5:39:23 PM | There are tons of liars on this site that say they do not smoke when in actuality they do.
I always laugh at the pictures that have half their hand cut off or photo shopped because they don't want the person to see them doing their bad little deed!!
But hey, if you want to kill yourself go ahead. Just do it in your own home away from children, or away from others that are non smokers!!! | |
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| Smoking, how brainwashed are you?
Posted: 10/19/2008 6:41:03 PM |
why does your profile say you are NOT a smoker?
I didn't realize it did. I had quit, but fell off the wagon. Forgot I even changed it.
LOL: yes, let's talk about 'other bad things' to explain why it's 'good to smoke" (very rational?)
I love how that post came right after mine. Did you even read the first line? I said quite clearly that it is bad for me. And the fact is... there ARE supposedly many many other things we all do that are bad for us. | |
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| Smoking, how brainwashed are you?
Posted: 10/20/2008 9:06:54 AM | so some smokers willingly accept and take the risk, other addicts prefer to deny them or pretend they don't exist..
usually there is a 'risk-return' trade-off.
you take risks, for WHAT kind of potential pay-off?
what is the "PAYOFF" to smoking? what do you get out of it? (other than spending $$ thousands a year on the habit, plus replacing clothes & furniture that get holes burned in them, or smell too bad, coughing a lot, gasping for breath, spitting up brown gunk, having your clothes and inside of your house, and your mouth, reek, having yellowish-brown stains on your teeth and sometimes your hands ('smoking' hand), etc.,etc.)
I asked this question before, but no smoker wanted to give me an answer..
Does it make you feel 'happy', 'better', more lively, more 'alive'? does it make you feel "high" ?
I am genuinely curious, to try to get a 'straight' answer from smokers..not just a self-righteous screed defending your right to be addicted..every type of addict (heroin, meth, etc.) can 'justify' their habit to themselves, and to some others..
is it just a mechanical habit, something to do with your mouth? (oral fixation?) or because you are now addicted, and you feel bad when you try to stop? | |
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| Smoking, how brainwashed are you?
Posted: 10/20/2008 1:09:59 PM | Nicotine is an powerful addiction, much worse than heroin.
It's not amenable to logic and rational discussion. | |
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| Smoking, how brainwashed are you?
Posted: 10/20/2008 7:18:23 PM |
what is the "PAYOFF" to smoking?
Beyond the "buzz" in satisfying the craving.. admittedly nothing. Not a literal buzz, of course, I just don't know how else to describe the ONE thing it does do. It's a BAD thing, no question, but it's there until I can get rid of it.
Maybe sated is a better word to describe how it feels? But then I need to be sated again.. and again.
or because you are now addicted, and you feel bad when you try to stop?
Does one feel "bad" when they make up their minds to quit, but still feel the strong urge to smoke anyway? I suppose so. "Bad" is far too vague though, yet I have no other means to describe it. | |
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| Smoking, how brainwashed are you?
Posted: 10/20/2008 8:10:59 PM | My aunt died of cancer...she didn't smoke. Neither did my other aunt...who died of cancer. My buddy Tim didn't smoke, and yet, he died of cancer......holy crap...you can get cancer even if you DON'T smoke !!
I'll take my chances. If you don't like the way it smells...stay upwind !! | |
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| Smoking, how brainwashed are you?
Posted: 10/22/2008 6:16:51 PM | | Oh well if we wanna smoke then most likely what you say will not change our minds. So those of you who are gung ho about not smoking just need to stay out of areas where smokers are and shut up about it, because every individual can do whatever they wanna do, and they shouldnt have to hear all the crap about it. | |
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| Smoking, how brainwashed are you?
Posted: 10/22/2008 6:33:22 PM |
Oh well if we wanna smoke then most likely what you say will not change our minds. So those of you who are gung ho about not smoking just need to stay out of areas where smokers are and shut up about it, because every individual can do whatever they wanna do, and they shouldnt have to hear all the crap about it.
I can understand smokers who are in thier 30's and up, commenting on how hard it is to stop smoking and how they enjoy it... but your 19. Have you lived under a rock, have you never heard of the dangers of smoking? It just amazes me the amount of kids who start smoking now. When I was in high school there wasn't all of the hype of the dangers and to us it was "just smoking", everybody did it. When my dad started smoking at 13, it was considered the norm, the thing to do and nobody... not even your parents, told you not to do it. But to be a teenager and start now?? It makes no sense... although peer pressure can be a real b!tch... I suppose.
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| Smoking, how brainwashed are you?
Posted: 11/3/2008 12:51:16 PM | Smoking is all the above as far as the tobacco itself is processed by " the lovely people that smokers have never met " from the workers up to managment then owner or owners of " the company " . Smokers will faithfull suck on this stick , defending it as your trying to save yourself from stress only to find your on the last smoke and two dollars short for another pack and payday is'nt for another two day's , but when you afteer two day's of not smoking and actually living through thr process saying to yourself , " I can quit anytime I want " . you go get your money and go buy some smokes . hmmmm , that does'nt make sense . We as humans brainwash ourselves from t.v. to movies , magazines , books , even to how we see ourselves as humans . Look and see in movies the smoking , on t.v. the list goes but with a warning . Telling us it is bad for our heath our children all the people around us , yet smokers still smoke , now you are subject to fines if caught smoking in a car with children . I agree with that one children don't need that , and in order to break these cycles we need to stop the use of tobacco from all veiw of the public , and it is slowly leaving the veiw of the public . No store have smoke diplays for people to see anymore , well here in b.c. anyway . However , I karate to progress through the ranks of kyu to the " black belt " Dan degrees , you must learn kata , kata ar prearraged sequences of movement and the only way to learn all the movement in that kata is buy repetiton , doing it over and over again untill it become a automatic responce when needed . Ask a karate sensei he will say the same thing . If you smoke 20 smokes a day and it takes seven minute to smoke that smoke most likely is you will raise that smoke to your mouth ten times at least . With great power , come great responsibility . We have the power to make a smoke and then smoke it and make all kinds of excuses to smoke knowing what it does . My point is here ... we all have a choice , but if it is what somone wants , it is there choice . we are looking for that magical reason why people smoke and It boils down to three words and that have never let leave my mind and these words are impotant to all of humanity and not just scaled to smoker or smoking but to all the bad things that we do to each other ourselves our oceans and our air and our earth , and these three simple words of wisdom are ...
I Want To | |
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| Smoking, how brainwashed are you?
Posted: 11/4/2008 12:26:10 AM | I smoked all through highschool, and into my twenties. I quit about 3 years ago and I havent started again. I used to get bad colds, and I was always coughing. So I quit cold turkey.
After I quit, my lungs got so much better, and I rarely got sick in the winter anymore. When I go out with friends that smoke, I still get cravings!
But I havent gone back and people have finally stopped offering me smokes.
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| Smoking, how brainwashed are you?
Posted: 11/4/2008 3:10:00 AM | My grandfather had a heart operation in his 70's. They found lumps of tar from the cigarettes he smoked in the navy when he was 17, 18, 19, 20...... :(
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| Smoking, how brainwashed are you?
Posted: 11/4/2008 6:25:46 AM |
Oh well if we wanna smoke then most likely what you say will not change our minds. So those of you who are gung ho about not smoking just need to stay out of areas where smokers are and shut up about it, because every individual can do whatever they wanna do, and they shouldnt have to hear all the crap about it.
Exactly because smoking is the best thing to happen to the human race. I mean really everyone should be doing it. Like come on, there is nothing like making the owners richer then they are and killing your beautiful body at the same time. I mean it dont matter that your causing damage to your insides. What matters is that your doing what makes YOU feel good. It does not matter that other people are effected my 2nd hand smoke screw them. They should not be near you right. I think smoking should be allowed in bars, restaurants, and everywhere possible. I really think they should make more movie stars do commericals show how healthy they are smoking and show them running and doing cardio stuff while smoking. Smoking is a blessing .....We should all be so lucky as to smoke.
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| Smoking, how brainwashed are you?
Posted: 11/4/2008 7:15:49 AM | ^^
you are SO RIGHT!!
over-population (too many humans on Earth) is a large and growing problem..
especially in the "Third World" countries.
so of course we should export all of our "habits" like smoking, drinking alcohol to excess, and using various drugs, to them.
I personally think, rather than FOOD, the UN should ship large shipping containers of cigarettes and whiskey to all the troubled spots of the world..Somalia, Sudan, etc., etc.
the tobacco and alcohol industries will gladly support this initiative as it will mean new markets for them, as their 'traditional' markets (the Americas, North & South, Europe, etc.) start to die out..literally..
if we were 'smart' we would strive to get everyone in the 'axis of evil" (Iraq, Iran, North Korea, etc.) hooked on alcohol and tobacco..soon they might forgo food for these 'pleasures'..
nice..should weaken them up right smartly..
might help solve the problem!! yaya!!! | |
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| Smoking, how brainwashed are you?
Posted: 11/4/2008 8:34:35 AM | Okay, so i'm going to admit that I didn't read all 5 pages.
I think, compleat man that you have good points, but they're always going to be falling on deaf ears, unfortunately.
I don't particularly care much about people that smoke, but it's those that think it's okay to subject everyone else to the second hand smoke that bug me. Yeah you can tell me don't go where people are smoking, but why should it be me who has to compromise my day for someone else's habit, you know? It's like saying that heroin addicts should be allowed to shoot up wherever they want, and if people don't like stepping on their syringes, then they shouldn't be walking in public.
It's absurd. I shouldn't be forced to damage my body for someone else's convenience to smoke right at the dinner table (which is disgusting, by the way.)
It's especially frustrating to me, because I have already survived cancer. All of these people so gung ho about their habit who say that cancer isn't a guarantee and it's a risk they're willing to take have NO FREAKING IDEA what it is that they're saying. I don't care if they choose to take the risk, because they knew what they were getting into when they smoked,(i would never wish cancer on my worst enemy though) but it's the second hand smoke inhalation that could potentially kill the younger generation out there (my generation) that people should feel like shit about.
I'm 23 years old. Less than a year ago, I felt my brain shutting down bit by bit. I felt myself having seizures, and slipping into a coma. I felt myself dying. That's not right, and people should be a little more compassionate. Smoke 100 packs a day for all I care, but at least be respectful to how it affects the world around you. :) | |
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| Smoking, how brainwashed are you?
Posted: 11/4/2008 11:09:17 AM | Well, see what smoking can do for you ! (sorry to hear what you went thru)
Everyone should line up for a pack of smokes...they should give them out like condoms at clinics. Like come one....smoking is so good for you. It does wonders for your body and makes you feel so relaxed !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | |
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| Smoking, how brainwashed are you?
Posted: 11/5/2008 12:30:51 AM | Anybody who smokes here, give this a shot! Pretend youve got a cigarette in your hand. Take a good long drag of that imaginary smoke and see how similar it is to the real thing!
Did you?
That physical action is what your hooked on! A while ago I quit for 3 months after smoking 30 smokes a day. It was easy.
Those warnings on the cigarette packages are a scare tactic! People who smoke become afraid to quit cause they fear the withdrawl! Ive had hangovers from beer worse than quitting, seriously!
My uncle, father, sister and her boyfriend all quit and said the same thing.
My uncle and dad smoked for over 40 years.
I started again cause Im dumb but I literally have 4 to 7 a day now.
I go for 3 or 4 days here and there without one a lot too!
Dont waste your money!
Live an extra 30+ years with cash! | |
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| Smoking, how brainwashed are you?
Posted: 11/5/2008 11:01:14 AM | | Why stop ...dont be a quiter....no need to stop i mean you been smoking this long might as well do for the rest of your time here. Like why not whats the point of stopping now | |
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| Smoking, how brainwashed are you?
Posted: 11/5/2008 3:33:08 PM |
Yeah you can tell me don't go where people are smoking, but why should it be me who has to compromise my day for someone else's habit, you know?
If you know there's a certain exit where people are allowed to light up... why go hang out there? It's very easy to stumble into an outside smoking area, sure.. but would you stay there anyway? Doubtful.
It's kind of a circular argument though. Why should smokers be chased off? Why should non smokers be chased off? Both have to compromise, really, but it's not too likely that either side will.
When I smoked (heh.. I've managed to quit again.. so far so good), I was as conscientious as possible. Even though I smoked, I HATED when smoking was allowed anywhere that food is served. That's all kinds of gross. Every so often, some non-smoker would come upon me and act like a moron... telling me I have to move because they're allergic to smoke when I was nowhere near them, in fact until they decided they had to crowd me. Those people.. well I don't bother trying to spare. | |
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| Smoking, how brainwashed are you?
Posted: 11/5/2008 5:32:24 PM | Yeah, I do get your point, and I suppose the smokers can find something to complain about the non-smokers doing, that pollutes their air or something.
I just think it has to be about respect. I think that the laws are starting to force smokers to be respectful, for the most part. I used to hate going to restaurants and not being able to breathe because the smoke was so thick. That's nasty when i'm eating.
Where I come from, you aren't actually "allowed" to smoke within (I think it's) 15 metres of any entrance to any public building.
While I was going through my treatments at the cancer centre, they re-zoned the "smoking areas" putting up those heated shelters and stuff at 5 different sides of the hospital campus, and everyday, without fail there was some ***hole there lighting up the second they got out the door, blowing it in the faces of those leaving. Kind of ironic actually.
But do you, el_mariachi think that the idea of having "smoking zones" is offensive or unfair to smokers? I find many smokers feel entitled to subject people to it anywhere and everywhere. Though I rarely say something to people (aside from my dad who smokes cigars around me and I say "Hey, remember how I had cancer this year?") the general attitude of smokers as a group, seems to be "fvck you, i'll do whatever I want" (Yeah, I said that's how they come off as a group, and I realise there are exceptions.) | |
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| Smoking, how brainwashed are you?
Posted: 11/5/2008 6:32:46 PM | ^^
Tryin.. it ain't easy though. People can hassle me all they want, but fact of the matter is it's hard to stop.
I think that the laws are starting to force smokers to be respectful, for the most part.
Agreed, but those laws were wasted on me as I already did my best not to subject people to my smoke.
But do you, el_mariachi think that the idea of having "smoking zones" is offensive or unfair to smokers?
Definitely not. Knowing what we know about what smoke/smoking can cause, law-makers wold have to be completely stupid to not make such laws. While no one I know has ever gotten sick from smoking to date, I have no illusions about the fact that it's possible.
The idea that it's OK to allow smoking in enclosed buildings (restaurants, bars.. for example) is insane. Buildings are never ventilated good enough for this.
the general attitude of smokers as a group, seems to be "fvck you, i'll do whatever I want" (Yeah, I said that's how they come off as a group, and I realise there are exceptions.)
From many of them, sure. I can point to incidences where non-smokers purposely got in my face after I made a point of getting away from them. Going wherever I go to either prove a point or just to nag me about the evils of smoking.
For every ignorant smoker, there's an ignorant non-smokers. Kind of like there's good and evil in the world because popular theory is one can't exist without the other. | |
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| Smoking, how brainwashed are you?
Posted: 12/3/2008 6:20:58 PM | I think its better to not do it.
I quit smoking after 10+ years and sooooo glad I did.
I don't catch my yearly bout of bronchitis any more | |
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