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| Spike Lee's documentary - When The Levees Broke
Posted: 8/18/2006 4:27:45 PM | I was reading some of the posts in the Times-Picayune forums by people who watched the Spike Lee film in the N.O. Arena. I have not seen it, so cannot say that what they have said is accurate, but, here is one post and believe me, there are plenty more. To be fair, there were a very few that said it was well done................
No wonder the rest of the country has little sympathy
To even imply that the government blew the levees is ridiculous and irresponsible. It would have also been nearly impossible to create such a large single explosion, especially in the middle of the night during a hurricane.
In 1927, when the levee was actually blown in St. Bernard Parish, (to save the city of New Orleans) it took 13 days of continuous demolition. Sticks of dynamite, etc. could not do the job.
And assuming such a thing did happen, wouldn't at least one person have come forward by now that was involved?
Spike Lee further implies that this was done to remove the black population from the city. Predominantly white Lakeview, which is the tax base for the city of New Orleans, was also destroyed. It would not make sense to destroy Lakeview if the intention was to "hurt" the blacks.
Unfortunately, Spike Lee, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and the NAACP once again have displayed their racism; always the victim, never responsible for anything.
No wonder the rest of the country has little sympathy.
When you watch the film, do it with an open mind and see if you don't see just a little bit of racism in it. Some posters said you could tell of the hatred he has for President Bush even before Katrina. Nuff Said. | |
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| Spike Lee's documentary - When The Levees Broke
Posted: 8/18/2006 5:07:35 PM | People who feel powerless need to mythologize the people who exert power over them. Be it blown levees, or 9/11 conspiracies, it's the same game being played. It's far easier to think everything happens deliberately, than it is to believe that things are allowed to happen.
The unseen an omnipotent "enemy" has Godlike powers over all. Secret organizations control the world, and the sheep believe it willingly and cower in fear. We are sold a myth, and we eat it up like popcorn at a movie.
The truth is actually far closer to that scene in the Wizard of Oz, when the ultimate truth is given to Dorothy to “pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.”
That type of mentality kept African-American's in their place for decades, until people got pushed to the point that made them say "enough". With nothing more to lose, they stopped being afraid - and liberated themselves. The chains you place on yourself are far better at holding you back than any chains anyone else places on you.
Bright lights cast big shadows, and you are only as controlled as you let yourself be.
Hitler fell, with a little effort. Mussolini was just another tyrant hanging upside down at an Italian gas station at the end. Nixon was brought down by average men with courage. As powerful as they all were at one time, and as feared, meant very little once the wave of destiny came rushing towards them.
When a system is in place that benefits the few over the many, there will never be peace. People who do not feel that they are part of society will either conciously or subconsiously rebel against it.
For ever yin, there is a yang.
You can deal with the problems now, with words and actions - or you can ignore it, and deal with other people in future generations with guns and bombs. The more pressure you place against legitimate grievances today ensures that when the time comes finally when they are addressed (as they always are, eventually) there will be a greater price to pay for all parties involved.
Assasinate peaceful leaders, and raging mobs will take their place. It's no surprise that the Black Panthers became a serious threat after Martin Luther King's murder. | |
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| Spike Lee's documentary - When The Levees Broke
Posted: 8/18/2006 7:06:11 PM | [/You're sitting up in Canada, bllissfully unaware of the reality of the situation, and relying on the MEDIA to "set you free". OMG, what a joke (you and your ideation). You say you got all of your information from the MEDIA???????? And you BELIEVE everything the "media" tells you? Now how naive is THAT?!!]
Wow Rememberme. You sure do use a lot of drama and excitement in your posting style to be that feisty paitriot all god loving americans could be proud of!
   We love our country and these Libs would tear it down just so they could teach about how we came from monkeys in the schools and have their slanted/bias media spoon feeding us a bunch of immoral crap! God Bless you!!!
Disclaimer: The above statement was meant to pull on heart strings, be dishonest and it is all a big lie. Sound familiar? Did it come from the media, or did it come from me? The bush adminstration and the far right have taken liberties from us, fed us lies and ignorance and their sick constituancy would tell us that all other sources of information that don't agree with their adjenda are evil, corrupt and manipulative. Now we are a country waving big flags and have no idea what we stand for. It's the difference between patriotism and nationalism. I can't wait for this to be over.
ON topic. People who are discussing the topic seriously do not care if Spike Lee is a racist, or if Burger King has to pay too much to lazy people, or if the whites of Mississippi are workers and not whiners. MG pointed out enough very good evidence to suggest that serious errors from the top down killed a lot of people. If you can reach out your hand and save someone and you don't, then you should be accountable for it.
Spike's production very well may be conspiratorial and far fetched, but since none of us have seen it yet I think we should save negative, conspiratorial comments of our own. | |
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bobby7
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Joined: 3/22/2006
Msg: 81 | |
| Spike Lee's a Biased Racist
Posted: 8/18/2006 8:11:37 PM | "I don't give a damn about being politically correct here!"
No, Pinebreeze..You don't. As a matter of fact, you don't even care about being correct!
Good thing; You seldom are.
Spike Lee, whether a bigot, or a racist-or not, does not detract from the awesome talent that he posseses.
I have not seen the film, as yet, but I will as soon as I can..
There are bound to be areas in this documentary that I disagree with, but I am unwilling to base my review on the like (in some cases..religous devotion) or dislike of GWB.
There are also going to be questions no one has asked, if Mr. Lee follows his usual format.
I will not disregard or desensitize these questions as, no doubt, you will.
Your dismissal of course will, be in couched in the form of 'politicial correctness', and not because of bigotry, racism, lack of intelligence or political oreintation... Right, Piner?  | |
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| Spike Lee's a Biased Racist
Posted: 8/22/2006 4:47:07 PM | | Last night i viewed part one of the documentary. It was a sad state of affairs for this to happen to people. No slant no bias straight from the horses mouth. | |
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myoid
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Joined: 7/22/2006
Msg: 83 | |
| Spike Lee's a Biased Racist
Posted: 8/22/2006 8:54:28 PM | I hope everyone had an opportunity to view Spike Lee's movie on the past two nights. It seems Spike was at the same event that I attended. You can label us both racists, though I am white and he is black, but how do you explain a 3 star general, head of the US Army Corps of Engineers, staring straight into the camera and admitting -- the US Army Corps of Engineeers was responsible for it all -- the poor design, the poor construction, the deaths, everything.
I realize this will change nothing. The administration that preaches accountability merely preaches. It will not compensate these poor people for the horrible tragedy it has visited upon them. It will not be accountable. But the truth, out of the mouth of a Lieutenant General -- the President's designee, was nice to hear. | |
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| Spike Lee's documentary - When The Levees Broke
Posted: 8/23/2006 1:01:09 PM | Fact, if it had been rich people living in the new orleans area. The president would not have taken days to respond. He probably figures thats one less person his government has to support. I for one cannot believe he got re-elected to office. The whole nation must have been on some major drugs that day! And if that isn't the worst of Katrina what about all the houses sitting on air force bases doing nothing? How is that accomplishing rebuilding New Orleans? Bush is for the rich, he always has been!  | |
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| Spike Lee's "When The Levees Broke"
Posted: 8/23/2006 1:06:14 PM | I have been watching the documentary and it is very truthful as to what actually occurred. When Katrina happened the administration took DAYS to get down there. DAYS!!! Hell, I flew out to Houston to help out at the Astrodome in less time than it took our president to make it to New Orleans. And I had to fly Delta! He has Air Force One.
The fact of the matter is that this was the worst natural disaster to ever hit American soil. And our president was too busy on vacation to do his job. Worst of all, FEMA cut aid to the survivors and the president has ignored it.
Whether you like Spike Lee or not, this documentary shows the truth of what happened. | |
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dmotz
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Joined: 7/25/2006
Msg: 87 | |
| Spike Lee's When The Levees Broke
Posted: 8/24/2006 7:42:31 AM | Spike Lee and Mikie Moore....both show the left leaning slant in everything they do.
Let me ask you folks a question. With all the rioting...looting...killings by armed gangs...just your everyday good ol citizens...would you have gone into N.O without is being safe?
I know the government dropped the ball on this guys...so before you start slinging mud...DONT.
I also believe the state of Louisana and The city of N.O are just as responsible for what happened. After being warned for 30 years of the impending threat of a massive hurricane...they DID NOTHING! No preperation..no food...no water...hell..Nagin did not even utilize the busses to help HIS own citizens.
Now...the corps of engineers were responsible for the levees...that means the fed government...FOR 30 YEARS it was known the levees needed to be upgraded. So, has Bush been president for 30 years? Yes...he should have been there faster...yes he should have tried to get food and water to the folks in the dome...But are you really going to put it all on him? How about the state of Louisana, the city of N.O and those people who were to stupid to leave? We hear about people being stopped on the bridge...yes they were...for their own saftey! After the place flooded...then they try to leave under unsafe conditions...more would have died if they let them go. | |
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| Spike Lee's When The Levees Broke
Posted: 8/24/2006 9:00:28 AM | Mr. rightwinggoodguy. Can i ask you a question, man to man? Politics aside if you were in N.O after katrina with nothing would you have broken into a wal-mart to help get supplies for your family?
Part 1 of the documentary was all footage of katrina shot in the belly of the beast? How can you stop people leaving a dying city for their own safety?
Nothing personal Mr. rightwinggoodguy, why it took so long to help these people?
Americans stepped up for Americans the Goverment side stepped us.
When Rita hit Florida they had convoys waiting to save the day. It's not what you know it's who's your brother that counts.
I respect your opinions but i don't agree that's part of what makes this country great. | |
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dmotz
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Joined: 7/25/2006
Msg: 89 | |
| Spike Lee's When The Levees Broke
Posted: 8/24/2006 9:25:55 AM | Mr. rightwinggoodguy. Can i ask you a question, man to man? Politics aside if you were in N.O after katrina with nothing would you have broken into a wal-mart to help get supplies for your family?
Lets see...NO!..The people were warned ahead of time my friend. They should have left the city...Period. For those who were not smart enought to leave...they should have BOUGHT supplies to sustain themselves ahead of time. Not go STEALING from others. Hell...the damn city should of had emergency supplies...but they did not.
Part 1 of the documentary was all footage of katrina shot in the belly of the beast? How can you stop people leaving a dying city for their own safety?
Crossing the bridge from one flooded area to another...is that safe?
Nothing personal Mr. rightwinggoodguy, why it took so long to help these people?
How were we to get into a flooded city in a few minutes? Yea...there should have been an attempt to get supplies to the people...not denying that...but the immediate help should have come from the state of Louisana and the City itself.
Americans stepped up for Americans the Goverment side stepped us.
Bullshit my friend...Louisana and the city of N.O are as responsible as the fed gov.
When Rita hit Florida they had convoys waiting to save the day. It's not what you know it's who's your brother that counts.
Again Bullshit...This was not the fed gov who sent the convoys...it was the FLORIDA NATIONAL GUARD..under the command of the Govenor! Why did louisana not send it`s national gaurd to help in preperation? Can`t blame it on the war...there were thousands of National guardsman in the state...the Govenor of Louisana dropped the ball...then all the bleeding hearts go after the fed...screaming racism...bullshit.
I respect your opinions but i don't agree that's part of what makes this country great. | |
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| Spike Lee's When The Levees Broke
Posted: 8/24/2006 12:50:58 PM | They should have left the city...Period.
Let's remember that not everyone could AFFORD to leave. Not everyone had a car. Not everyone had the financial resources to travel. Yes, they knew a hurricane was coming, but that doesn't make your paycheck come any faster. New Orleans and its surrounding areas are some of the poorest in the nation. This is about poverty, not race.
When I was in Houston working at the Astrodome, I had the pleasure of sitting and talking with many survivors. And many of them did express that they had no way of leaving. No cars. Public transportation had stopped running. No room on any sort of governmentally organized transportation. Nothing. They had no choice but to sit it out.
For those who were not smart enough to leave...they should have BOUGHT supplies to sustain themselves ahead of time.
I'm sure some did, but don't you think that the supplies could've been destroyed? It was a category 3 to 4 hurricane in most areas. It destroyed everything in its path. That includes any supplies that may have been purchased. If Katrina ripped homes off the earth, I'm sure it took some loaves of bread and diapers with it.
The fact of the matter is that there were Americans in a state of emergency and the government (both state and federal) did not step up. | |
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dmotz
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Joined: 7/25/2006
Msg: 91 | |
| Spike Lee's When The Levees Broke
Posted: 8/24/2006 12:54:04 PM | "The fact of the matter is that there were Americans in a state of emergency and the government (both state and federal) did not step up."
THANK YOU! THIS HAS BEEN MY POINT THE WHOLE TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Everything can not be blamed on Bush....it goes deeper than that..... | |
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| Spike Lee's When The Levees Broke
Posted: 8/24/2006 1:12:05 PM | As we approach the 1 year anniversary of Katrina I think it is a disgrace that the people of New Orleans are still suffering.
Within hours of the war ending Hezbolla was clearing rumble, rebuilding, dispensing aid and finacial relief to the Lebonese, and they're supposed to be terroists.
Bush on the other hand gave tax break the rich and big oil. | |
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myoid
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Joined: 7/22/2006
Msg: 93 | |
| Spike Lee's When The Levees Broke
Posted: 8/24/2006 6:55:21 PM | Rightwinggoodguy,
You got to give it up man -- a 3 star general, the head of the US Army Corps of Engineers looked straight at the camera and admitted it -- the whole thing was their fault. There is nothing else to debate. The culprit stepped forward and confessed. You are so blinded by your racism that you are still carrying on the debate after your guy has confessed.
It's over baby -- the US Corps of Engineers has told us the truth -- the faulty designs, theirs. The faulty construction, theirs. The responsibility for the deaths and destruction, theirs. All of it.
Their is only one thing your persistance is establishing -- the racism, yours. | |
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myoid
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Joined: 7/22/2006
Msg: 94 | |
| Spike Lee's When The Levees Broke
Posted: 8/24/2006 7:13:14 PM | Their is only one thing your persistance is establishing -- the racism, yours.
oops -- "there" is only... | |
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bobby7
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Joined: 3/22/2006
Msg: 95 | |
| Spike Lee's When The Levees Broke
Posted: 8/24/2006 9:32:58 PM | "Their is only one thing your persistance is establishing -- the racism, yours.
oops -- "there" is only... "
I tend to disagree, Myoid. I am not a big fan of Right Wing Good Guy, but when he is right,
I will acknowledge it.
The Corps of Engineers stated their part in the collapse of the leeves, but the administration has not acknowledged their failure..
RWGG is absolutely right..There are lots more to blame than just the the Corps...Bob | |
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dmotz
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Joined: 7/25/2006
Msg: 96 | |
| Spike Lee's When The Levees Broke
Posted: 8/25/2006 7:43:28 AM | Bobby7...
The finger can be pointed at the government as a whole. I am from Arkansas originally...I used to go to New Orleans two or three times a year. We knew then the levees were not strong enough...yet every Admin since the 70`s refused to fix them. I lay the blame on all branches of government involved.
Myiod...
Please do not call me a racist...I am not. Your name calling is showing your ignorance in grand style. | |
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| Spike Lee's When The Levees Broke
Posted: 8/25/2006 8:05:40 AM | Spike Lee and Mikie Moore....both show the left leaning slant in everything they do.
First, Michael Moore has nothing to do with this conversation. Your attempt to try and smear Spike Lee's name by mentioning Michael Moore in the same breath is weak.
Second, have you seen the Spike Lee film yet? If so, please inform us of anything that was inaccurate about it. I haven't seen it yet, and would like to know so I can be on the lookout for it when I do.
With all the rioting...looting...killings by armed gangs...just your everyday good ol citizens...would you have gone into N.O without is being safe?
Uhhhmmmmm.......No, I wouldn't have.......but I'm also not the ARMY! That's what they do! They go to war in much worse circumstances than that, so to expect them to do the same in the case of a natural disaster is mandatory. Period.
I also believe the state of Louisana and The city of N.O are just as responsible for what happened.
Agreed. They must accept their share of the blame. Nagin is not equipped to handle his job IMO.
After being warned for 30 years of the impending threat of a massive hurricane...they DID NOTHING!
This is false. They've done many things in conjunction with the ACOE as it relates to levees and earthen protections, although they've been very corrupt in doing it. Also, there were disaster plans on file, including utilizing the Superdome as emergency shelters, etc etc.....they just didn't do enough to prepare for a worst possible scenario. On the other hand, they are a very poor city and have many other pressing needs, so in one respect, I can see why they might not have "worst case scenario" hurricane preparations on the top of their political, civil, and social agendas.
Yes...he should have been there faster...yes he should have tried to get food and water to the folks in the dome...But are you really going to put it all on him?
Wasn't he the brainchild of the behemoth new bureaucracy known as the Homeland Security Department? Wasn't he responsible for nominating our good (and useless) buddy "Brownie" as head of FEMA? Didn't he delay almost FOUR DAYS before ordering the full force of the US Gov't into NO to help with rescue and recovery efforts? What was he waiting for? Sure, he wasn't responsible for the individual acts of idiocy, but the buck has to stop somewhere.......and.......wasn't he supposed to be "the accountability" president and "the compassionate" president?
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| Spike Lee's When The Levees Broke
Posted: 8/25/2006 8:09:32 AM | I watched part three of this documentary and it's quite the eye opener. I suggest anyone watch it.
Regardless if Lee is a racist, has no bearing on the fact it took Bush 2 weeks to see the mess himself.
Aside from the atrocities and the lack of time it sadly took the USA gvt and Fema to respond, clearly mother nature is reclaiming what's hers.
The USA gvt; the so-called great and mighty gvt, failed miserably. | |
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dmotz
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Joined: 7/25/2006
Msg: 99 | |
| Spike Lee's When The Levees Broke
Posted: 8/25/2006 8:31:29 AM | First, Michael Moore has nothing to do with this conversation. Your attempt to try and smear Spike Lee's name by mentioning Michael Moore in the same breath is weak.
Spike and Mike are both extreme left leaning...The only difference between them really is that Spike has been known to tell the truth. Although I am not to sure of the whole "THEY BLEW THE LEVEE "conspiracy.
Second, have you seen the Spike Lee film yet? If so, please inform us of anything that was inaccurate about it. I haven't seen it yet, and would like to know so I can be on the lookout for it when I do.
Yes...I saw the broadcast...And I will honestly say he did a good job of showing what Katrina did.
Uhhhmmmmm.......No, I wouldn't have.......but I'm also not the ARMY! That's what they do! They go to war in much worse circumstances than that, so to expect them to do the same in the case of a natural disaster is mandatory. Period.
The President (no matter who he is) is the most vital part of our government...If it is not safe to go in...you dont go. I do not care if you have all the G.I Joes in the world...you cant protect a person completely.
I also believe the state of Louisana and The city of N.O are just as responsible for what happened.
Agreed. They must accept their share of the blame. Nagin is not equipped to handle his job IMO.
Thank you...my sentiments exactly.......
After being warned for 30 years of the impending threat of a massive hurricane...they DID NOTHING!
This is false. They've done many things in conjunction with the ACOE as it relates to levees and earthen protections, although they've been very corrupt in doing it. Also, there were disaster plans on file, including utilizing the Superdome as emergency shelters, etc etc.....they just didn't do enough to prepare for a worst possible scenario. On the other hand, they are a very poor city and have many other pressing needs, so in one respect, I can see why they might not have "worst case scenario" hurricane preparations on the top of their political, civil, and social agendas.
I will agree with some of your statement...but not all...Yes..N.O is a poor city..BUT...look at the millions they throw at the French Quarter every year. They were more concerned about getting the tourist trade then preparing for the "Worst possible case" scenerio.
Yes...he should have been there faster...yes he should have tried to get food and water to the folks in the dome...But are you really going to put it all on him?
Wasn't he the brainchild of the behemoth new bureaucracy known as the Homeland Security Department? Wasn't he responsible for nominating our good (and useless) buddy "Brownie" as head of FEMA? Didn't he delay almost FOUR DAYS before ordering the full force of the US Gov't into NO to help with rescue and recovery efforts? What was he waiting for? Sure, he wasn't responsible for the individual acts of idiocy, but the buck has to stop somewhere.......and.......wasn't he supposed to be "the accountability" president and "the compassionate" president?
Look at the big picture...It just was not N.O that got hit..it was Mississippi and Louisana...Trying to get aid to both states at the samr time is almost impossible...You have to mobilize and prepare...Louisana and Mississippi should have had THEIR national Guard ready to go...
Yea...Georgie screwed the pooch with ol Brownie...But there is an old saying..."Charity begins at home" Louisana and Mississippi should have been prepared to deal with the aftermath...then rely on the Fed to come in and help...... | |
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| Spike Lee's When The Levees Broke
Posted: 8/25/2006 9:49:48 AM |
Spike and Mike are both extreme left leaning...The only difference between them really is that Spike has been known to tell the truth.
You continue to invoke MM's name for some reason? I'm sure Spike Lee knows Michael Jackson, too, so why don't you invoke his name? Neither one of them have anything to do with this issue......
(and not that it matters, but I believe Michael Moore was one of the first people to bring to a wide audience the clear and present close financial connections between the Bu$h family and the Bin Laden family.......See? I can bring in completely impertinent arguments into the conversation, too!)
Yes...I saw the broadcast...And I will honestly say he did a good job of showing what Katrina did.
So, you admit the film was accurate, but still try to trash his reputation? I'm seeing the Rovian diversion tactics clearly, now. Thanks.
The President (no matter who he is) is the most vital part of our government...If it is not safe to go in...you dont go. I do not care if you have all the G.I Joes in the world...you cant protect a person completely.
Well, first of all, I was talking about the Army and National Guard, not the president. THEY should have been ordered in IMMEDIATELY en masse. It took them FOUR DAYS to get to most of those people? If we can get from Whiteman Air Force Base in rural Missouri to Iraq in order to bomb the living crap out of a city in less than 24 hours, there's zero excuse for it to take 4 days to get to the Gulf Coast.
Secondly, the President is NOT the most vital part of our government. He's a figurehead, mostly, regardless of who it is. Different officials are vital at different times. The president's job is to be the spokesperson for all of the government to its citizens and the world. Yes, he makes decisions and has influence, but so do many other people in many other capacities at many different times......and under many different circumstances. And although beside the point, Dik Cheney is REALLY the president for all intents and purposes.
Look at the big picture...It just was not N.O that got hit..it was Mississippi and Louisana...Trying to get aid to both states at the samr time is almost impossible...You have to mobilize and prepare...
I disagree that it's impossible. Isn't being able to mobilize and being prepared why we have FEMA and a Homeland Security department? The truth is, we were top heavy on unskilled Republican political appointees, and underpowered with people in positions of authority who knew what they were doing, and what they SHOULD do when disaster strikes. Thus, Brownie becomes a political fall guy (albeit largely deserving) and is replaced by someone with actual disaster preparedness and relief experience. | |
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