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Posted: 8/20/2006 10:11:01 PM |
FYI: I don't pay attention to UN or Amnesty...I only have to look at
the study on media misinformation, and indepth reporting from
the BBC and CBC to catch the "other side's" story.
http://biased-bbc.blogspot.com/
http://drinkingfromhome.blogspot.com/2006/08/orla-guerin-busted.html
http://www.cbcwatch.ca/
The story of Orla Guerin "making the news" is a tragic example of how state-funded news, which once had the legendary reputation for balance has been diminished. The CBC site, if dug through lists complaints of bias that have gone to the CBC ombudsman, been recognized as such but have been essentially not followed up on due to inability to prosecute.
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Posted: 8/20/2006 10:24:24 PM |
Media misinformation is everywhere, sad to say.
Yup, though not quite the concerted effort of the pro-war bunch, ...and nowhere close to the same financial resources and well placed Washington/Downing St./Sussex Ave lobbies.
I'm finding way more balance in the Israeli press.
Comparing Al Jezeera and Israeli media is proving to be quite eye-opening, the western media seems to have turned into more of a disinformations source, ...but, this is also a useful tool to see who's doing what, where.
I checked out the cbcwatch site, I see our friends "HonestReporting" are putting their stamp of disapproval in there.
Hmmm.... they aren't exactly "balanced" and "unbiased", .... I see they're affiliated with MEMRI.
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Posted: 8/20/2006 11:06:07 PM | AFP said the men were dressed in Lebanese army uniforms
So, the IDF is now hiding among the Labanese and mingling with the
civilians using them as cover, eh? So, when you engage them you
can't shoot them because they may or may not be Labanese soldiers or
maybe you have to engage them and take out more innocent civilians...my brain hurts.
I think the Hezbollah just got a green light to pull they same shit.
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Posted: 8/21/2006 12:31:39 AM | ^^^MSG 312^^^^^^^They should not do that, they should be honest soldiers and just tunnel in, pop up shooting, and then kidnap any survivors! Pretty sure that approach is not santioned by the UN. However, thats just my commen sense I have not spent hours researching that I could be just spinning commen sense. Lets have all reports spend hours on TV telling us thier specific sources so anti-Americans living in the US r not mad b/c someone paraphrased the not so "holy koran". And I say anti-americans b/c if ur Muislim and living in the US you must be itching to start killing all us INFIDELS but alas it's against the law here, for now anyway.
So while I still enjoy freedom of religion and speech I will state my opinons(as Muisilms do) and say Hesbolah is not in the right here. They started this war for attention and status in the arab community, resulting in the killing of soldiers and innocents on BOTH sides.
For those of u with the cute little simle that says peace: IF one is really for peace then they would be against outraged at the deaths of both sides. | |
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Posted: 8/21/2006 12:32:48 AM | http://www.cbcwatch.ca/
I have to say I didn't think much of this as a source of insight into CBC bias
While I didn't go through EVERY page of complaints the pattern I did notice is that most of them were about:
Bias against Harper (like the CBC doesn't show every PM in the worst light, it is rare for a PM do do something good according to CBC. They have always jumped on every PM's worst moments and beat them into the ground and since they do it to everyone it is hard to call it bias when it is really just being sensationalist)
Virtually every complaint about mid-east reporting came from HonestReporting. I could have respect for the complaints if they were as balanced as they say the CBC isn't but... Go to HonestReporting and you will find this trail of links and associations.
Judeoscope and Canadian Instutute for Jewish Research (as well as direct link to MEMRI)
(Mission statement for Judeoscope: Judeoscope is an independent bilingual information portal whose goal it is to cast light on anti-Semitism, anti-Zionism, xenophobia and militant Islam in Canada and the world. It was launched in August 2004.)
(I would have had no problem with this statement if they had quit at anti-semitism and xenophobia but the aim became obvious when they listed anti-zionism and militant islam as though they really belong with the others)
^those will lead you to associations to
AIPAC, CAMERA and MEMRI
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Posted: 8/21/2006 12:52:07 AM | This is the original story of what transpired....story is from Associated Press:
http://www.forbes.com/technology/feeds/ap/2006/07/12/ap2873051.html
Hezbollah Captures 2 Israeli Soldiers:
The militant group Hezbollah captured two Israeli soldiers during clashes Wednesday across the border in southern Lebanon, prompting a swift reaction from Israel, which sent ground forces into its neighbor to look for them.
The forces were trying to keep the soldiers' captors from moving them deeper into Lebanon, Israeli government officials said on condition of anonymity.
The Israeli military would not confirm the report.
Earlier, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert called an emergency Cabinet meeting and said Lebanese guerrillas would pay a "heavy price" for Wednesday's attacks.
"These are difficult days for the state of Israel and its citizens," Olmert said. "There are people ... who are trying to test our resolve. They will fail and they will pay a heavy price for their actions."
I would argue that the reason why the soldiers were not returned or are not
being returned are because they are genuine prisoners and their return
will be negotiated at a later time for the as-per-usual prisoner exchange
between these two countries.
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Posted: 8/21/2006 7:31:15 AM |
Are you willing to read this:
Unbiased source? Robert Spencer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Spencer
Unbiased investigation? Israel investigating itself is supposed to be taken as credible? Qana inquiry denounced as whitewash: http://www.amnesty.org.uk/news_details.asp?NewsID=17052
Picture times? Who cares...as said, could be the posted time, not the picture taken time. Who cares...if they were trying to "milk" media attention anyway. Doesn't change the fact that people are dead: http://iraq-kill-maim.org/qana/qana-photos.htm
Rocket launcher on roof? They're mounted on trucks...how the hell ya get a truck on a roof? IDF admitted there was no rocket fire from Qana that day, anyway. "The site was included in an IAF plan to strike at several buildings in proximity to a previous launching site. Similar strikes were carried out in the past. However, there were no rocket launches from Qana on the day of the strike." (http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/745185.html)
Good source? Who is Dr. Mounir Herzallah? An unkown person who sent a letter to the editor of some German newspaper.
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I believe I mentioned that I was willing to listen to accurate documentation of the IDF's atrocities. If you have full source documentation, and you have verified the details, just cite it. I recommend a lengthy verification process, because if you don't verify, I will.
The bulk of Hezbollah's rockets can only be fired 25km, then they have a few that can go 45km, and even fewer that can go 75km. Meaning, the great majority of Hezbollah's rockets have been fired South of the Litani, and all have been fired South of Jazzin.
Map of locations in Lebanon bombed: http://electronicintifada.net/bytopic/maps.shtml
NO Hezbollah rockets could have been fired from Beirut. Explain how blocks and blocks of Beirut are destroyed. Explain why any neighbourhoods/cities/towns, beyond Hezzbollah's military range, needed to be destroyed?
The words of Israel's Brigadier General Dan Halutz, the Israeli Chief of Staff:
"If the soldiers are not returned, we will turn Lebanon's clock back 20 years."
“Nothing is safe (in Lebanon), as simple as that,”
10 Beirut Buildings Bombed For Each Haifa Missile: http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0607/S00383.htm
"Army chief of staff Dan Halutz has given the order to the air force to destroy 10 multi-storey buildings in the Dahaya district (of Beirut) in response to every rocket fired on Haifa," a senior air force officer told army radio on Monday.
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Lebanese dead: 1,130 civilians; 35 Government Military; 65+ Hezbollah
Israeli dead: 52 civilians; 118 Military
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Some "civilian" areas targeted by Hezbollah...
Kfar Giladi casualties - Reserve soldiers: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3287339,00.html
Dozens of reserve soldiers of the artillery unit congregated near the kibbutz in preparation to take part in military operations.
Megiddo: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/israel/megiddo.htm
Note the Kibbutz right beside the base.
Ramat David: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/israel/ramat_david.htm
Note the Kibbutz right beside the base.
Atlit: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/israel/atlit-port.htm
Haifa - RAFAEL: http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/israel/rafael.htm
Haifa - Kishon Port: http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/israel/haifa.htm
Ilaniya - Eilabun: http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/israel/eilabun.htm
Towns in Northern Israel Welcome Troops: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5640864
Weekend Edition Sunday, August 13, 2006 · Israeli troops report that fighting has been intense in Lebanon. But the soldiers get a brief respite as they camp in small towns along the Israeli border with Lebanon. The residents have opened their hearts and homes -- although that might mean a request to do the laundry.
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Posted: 8/21/2006 9:00:02 AM | | I am not peeved at the Lebonese government to the point I want them eliminated...But they do need to wash their hands of Hezbolla....If the gov is supporting Hezbolla...then I can see the need to have a lil chat with them...try the good ol lefty armchair diplomacy...if it does not work.....then make it work! | |
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Posted: 8/21/2006 11:05:40 AM | I think we need to give Hezbollah a chance to prove itself ... they are doing a lot to help the plight of the Palestinians right now ... those people need some hope.
They need to be allowed to get their land back ... they need to be allowed to have water available to them on a regular basis ... they need to be allowed access to their homes and work places readily and should not have to drive miles and miles and go through strategically placed checkpoints put in place for harrassment purposes.
Hezbollah organizes an extensive social development program which runs hospitals, news services, and educational facilities. Its Reconstruction Campaign ('Jihad al-Bina') is responsible for numerous economic and infrastructure development projects in Lebanon.
Hezbollah provides many social services in Lebanon. According to CNN: "Hezbollah did everything that a government should do, from collecting the garbage to running hospitals and repairing schools." In 1996 “The Electoral Program of Hezbollah,” the organization declared its wish to improve educational and health system. Then in May 2006 UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs published: "Hezbollah not only has armed and political wings - it also boasts an extensive social development program.
The group currently operates at least four hospitals, 12 clinics, 12 schools and two agricultural centers that provide farmers with technical assistance and training. It also has an environmental department and an extensive social assistance program. Medical care is also cheaper than in most of the country's private hospitals and free for Hezbollah members." Most experts believe that Hezbollah's social and health programs are worth hundreds of millions of dollars annually.
Hezbollah's social service agencies provide health care and schooling for poor farmers. In July 2006, during the war with Israel, when there was no running water in Beirut, Hezbollah was arranging supplies all around the city. "People here (in South Beirut) see Hezbollah as a political movement and a social service provider as much as it is a militia that delivers the goods for its followers, in this traditionally poor and dispossessed Shiite community."
Hezbollah claims to have increased its popularity through a non-sectarian approach: "We presented a new example, and this increased our popularity . . . We say that our mayors should serve the whole of the people in their towns, rather than serving just the party" said spokesman Abu Zeinab.
It is also a recognized political party in Lebanon, where it participates in government.
Hezbollah participates in the Parliament of Lebanon, taking just over 10% of the seats (14 out of 128) and the bloc it forms with others, the Resistance and Development Bloc, 27.3% (see Lebanese general election, 2005). Throughout most of the Arab and Muslim worlds, Hezbollah is highly regarded as a legitimate resistance movement.
There is a deep enmity between Hezbollah and Israel. One of the reasons for the founding of Hezbollah was resistance against the occupation of Lebanon by Israel (1978-2000). It became the main politico-military force among the Shi'a community in Lebanon and the main arm of what became known later as the Islamic Resistance in Lebanon.
Despite the strident rhetoric, in recent interviews Nasrallah has answered questions concerning the establishment of a Palestinian state established alongside an Israeli state in a way which suggested that the organization no longer has the intent to destroy the state of Israel. Hezbollah’s present leadership disclaims any interest in contesting Israel’s right to exist outside of disputed territories.
In a 2003 interview, Nasrallah stated "Of course, it would bother us that Jerusalem goes to Israel... [but] let it happen. I would not say O.K. I would say nothing." Hezbollah's website, however, marks a distinction between "Zionist ideology" and Judaism. It sees the rejection of Zionism as an attitude hold across "races, religions, and nationalities". It likens Zionism to "the concept of creating 'Israel' by the use of force and violence, by stealing the Arabs’ lands and killing Palestinians". "Opposing the Zionists ideology is not opposing setting a home for Jews".
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Posted: 8/21/2006 11:09:04 AM | I have posted this already..but in case you have not seen it Cotter....
http://hecubus.wordpress.com/2006/08/10/obvious-news-hezbollah-is-a-terrorist-organization/
We Have Seen Better Days
Interests and IrritationsHome Mostly Los Angeles OBVIOUS NEWS!! HEZBOLLAH IS A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION!!
A comment from a fellow Wordpress poster on my piece, Qana Bombing: Where are the 9/11 Conspiracy Nuts Now? caused me to bristle a bit when said poster attempted to indicate that Hezbollah is not a terrorist organization. After responding to his comment on that blog entry, I was then promted to find this list which details most of the higher profile terrorist acts committed by Hezbollah since May of 2000, when Israel unilaterally withdrew from southern Lebanon.
24 Jul 2006 - Hezbollah fired more than 70 Katyusha rockets into Israel, several of which landed in Nahariya, Safed, and Kiryat Shmona. Medics treated at least 49 people who were lightly to moderately wounded. More than 2200 rockets have been fired at Israeli cities since July 12, killing 17 Israelis, all of them civilians. 20 Israeli soldiers were killed in other incidents.
23 Jul 2006 - Shimon Glickblich, 60, of Haifa was killed Sunday morning (11:00) while driving his car in Haifa. Habib Isa Awad, 48, of Iblin, was killed while working in the carpentry shop in Kiryat Ata. Another 12 were wounded in the morning barrage in Haifa, and more later in the day as over 90 rockets were fired at Haifa, Akko, Kiryat Shmona, and elsewhere in northern Israel.
20 Jul 2006 - Five IDF soldiers were killed and five wounded in continuing exchanges of fire in the Lebanese village of Maroun al-Ras, near Avivim, where two soldiers were killed on Wednesday. The body of the fifth soldier, St.-Sgt. Yonatan (Sergei) Vlasyuk, 21, of Kibbutz Lahav was retrieved on July 22. At 16, Yonatan immigrated alone to Israel through the Jewish Agency’s “Na’aleh” program. He was adopted by Dalia Gal, a member of Kibbutz Lahav in the Negev. An IDF officer was killed and three soldiers were wounded as two Apache (Cobra) combat helicopters on their way to Lebanon to assist IDF forces operating against Hezbollah terrorists near Avivim collided and then crashed south of Kiryat Shmona.
19 Jul 2006 - St.-Sgt. Yonatan Hadasi, 21, of Kibbutz Merhavia and St.-Sgt. Yotam Gilboa, 21, of Kibbutz Maoz Haim were killed and nine soldiers were wounded in exchanges of fire between IDF and Hezbollah in south Lebanon, near Moshav Avivim. The Israeli force had crossed the border to destroy the Hezbollah rocket-launching position at the former IDF outpost of Shaked. Rabia Abed Taluzi (3) and his brother Mahmoud (7) who were playing soccer outside their house were killed and dozens were wounded in two Katyusha rocket attacks on the Israeli Arab city of Nazareth.
18 Jul 2006 - Andrei Zelinksy, 36, was killed Tuesday evening in Nahariya outside a bomb shelter. Though he managed to save his family by rushing them into the shelter, he returned home to get a blanket for his daughter and was killed. Some 130 rockets were fired at the north on Tuesday, 100 of them within one hour and a half - also landing in the Haifa area, Karmiel, Tiberias, Safed, Maalot and Rosh Pina. About 60 people injured were evacuated to hospitals in Safed and Nahariya.
17 Jul 2006 - Over 50 rockets were fired towards the eastern and upper Galilee on Monday night. A Katyusha rocket hit the external wall of the Rebecca Sieff Hospital in Safed, causing damage to infrastructure; five patients, two doctors and two other hospital employees were injured. Earlier, 11 people were wounded in Haifa when a 3-story apartment building was hit by missile. The Israel Air Force destroyed at least ten long-range Iranian-made missiles capable of hitting Tel Aviv, by targeting a Hezbollah truck carrying the missiles before they could be launched. To date, missiles have been fired up to 40 kilometers into Israel.
16 Jul 2006 - Eight killed, 50 wounded in Hezbollah rocket attack on Haifa - Rockets began falling on the Haifa area shortly after 9:00 a.m. Eight employees of Israel Railways at the Haifa train depot were killed in a direct hit by a Fajar missile made in Syria. A total of over 50 people were wounded in Haifa and the Haifa Bay area.
15 Jul 2006 - Katyusha rockets landed for the first time in Tiberias, located 35 kilometers from the Lebanese border on the Sea of Galilee, as well as in nearby communities.
14 Jul 2006 - Shortly after 8:30 p.m. =46riday night an Israeli navy ship was severely damaged by an Iran-manufactured missile fired by Hezbollah. Four IDF soldiers were killed: Staff Sgt. Tal Amgar, 21, of Ashdod; Yaniv Hershkovitz, 21, of Haifa; Shai Atias, 19, ofRishon Lezion; and Dov Steinshuss, 37, of Karmiel. Omer Pesachov, 7, of Nahariya, and his grandmother Yehudit Itzkovitch, 58, of Moshav Meron were killed by a Katyusha rocket in Meron early Friday evening. Roni, Omer’s older sister, was badly wounded, and the grandfather, Naftali, was lightly hurt. The family had fled the Katyushas in Nahariya to spend a quiet weekend with their grandparents.
13 Jul 2006 - Monica Seidman (Lehrer), 40, of Nahariya was killed in her home by a Katyusha rocket Thursday morning. In the evening, Nitzan Roseban, 33, was killed in Safed by a direct rocket hit. On Thursday evening Katyushas landed in Haifa.
12 Jul 2006 - Hezbollah terrorists infiltrated into Israeli territory and attacked two IDF armored jeeps patrolling the border with Lebanon, killing three soldiers and kidnapping two. Ground forces entered Lebanon in the area of the attack. A large explosive device was detonated underneath an Israeli tank, killing all four of the tank crew. An eighth soldier was killed when IDF troops entered Lebanon to try to retrieve the bodies of the tank crew. Throughout the day, Hezbollah terror organization fired Katyusha rockets and mortar shells at Israel’s northern borders’ communities and IDF posts.
27 May 2006 - An IDF soldier was wounded when Katyushas were fired at an army base at Mt. Meron in the upper Galilee.
27 Dec 2005 - A branch of a Palestinian organization connected to Al-Qaida fired 6 Katyushas, damaging a house in Kiryat Shmona and a house in Metulla. In response, the IAF attacked a training base of the Popular Front, south of Beirut.
21 Nov 2005 - An attempt to kidnap an IDF soldier was foiled when paratroopers patrolling near Rajar village discerned a Hezbollah unit approaching. Private David Markovitz opened fire, killing all four. In a heavy attack of mortars and Katyusha rockets that ensued, nine soldiers and and two civilians were injured.
29 Jun 2005 - More than 20 mortars were fired from across the border. Cpl. Uzi Peretz of the Golani Brigade was killed and four soldiers wounded, including the unit’s doctor. Fire was exchanged and helicopters and planes attacked five Hezbollah outposts in the Reches Ramim area.
24 Apr 2005 - Several explosive devices exploded near the Lebanese-Israeli border, in the Mount Dov area. Officials believe the devices were planted by Hezbollah, but this was not confirmed. No injuries were reported in the explosions.
7 Apr 2005 - Two Israeli-Arabs from the village of Rajar near the Israel-Lebanon border were kidnapped by Hezbollah operatives and held in captivity for four days. The men, identified as Muki Ben-Jamal and Nuef Maharj Ben-Ali, said they were interrogated by their captors who wanted information on Israel. They were later released. Israeli officials did not believe that any security information had been compromised.
9 Jan 2005 - An explosive device was detonated against an IDF patrol at Nahal Sion. One Israeli soldier was killed, and a UN officer was killed.
20 Jul 2004 - Hezbollah sniper fired at an IDF post in the western sector of the Israeli-Lebanese border. Two IDF soldiers were killed.
7 May 2004 - Fire in the Mt. Dov sector. IDF soldier Dennis Leminov was killed, and two other soldiers were severely wounded. The IDF returned fire.
19 Jan 2004 - An anti-tank missile was fired at IDF D9 while neutralizing explosive charges near Zari’t. An IDF soldier, Yan Rotzenski, was killed and another soldier was severely wounded.
6 Oct 2003 - Staff Sgt. David Solomonov was killed when Hezbollah fired at an IDF force south of the =46atma Gate in the eastern sector. In addition, the Hezbollah fired missiles and rockets at an IDF post in the Reches Ramim area.
10 Aug 2003 - Haviv Dadon, 16, of Shlomi, was struck in the chest and killed by shrapnel from an anti-aircraft shell fired by Hezbollah terrorists in Lebanon. Four others were wounded.
20 Jul 2003 - Hezbollah snipers fired on an Israeli outpost near Chetula, killing two Israeli soldiers. The IDF retaliated with tank fire directed at a Hezbollah position, killing one operative manning the post. That night, there were multiple Israeli flights over Lebanon, two of which generated powerful sonic booms over Beirut.
7 May 2003 - Hezbollah attacked IDF positions in the Sheba’ farms with heavy rocket, mortar, and small arms fire. One Israeli soldier was killed and five others were wounded in the attack. Lebanese authorities asserted that the Hezbollah firing had been preceded by an Israeli army foot patrol crossing the Blue Line.
5 May 2003 - A cycle of armed exchanges across the Blue Line began. Israel carried out more than 20 air sorties over the country. Subsequently, Hezbollah fired several anti-aircraft rounds with shrapnel landing inside Israel.
22 Mar 2003 - Hezbollah fired rockets and mortars at Israeli army positions in the Sheba’ farms and adjacent areas. This attack followed eight incursions into Lebanese airspace by Israeli aircraft.
6 Jan 2003 - Hezbollah fired anti aircraft shells in the vicinity of Birait in the western sector of the Lebanese border. No one was hurt and no damage was caused.
29 Aug 2002 - Fire at an IDF post in the Mt. Dov sector. IDF soldier Ofer Misali was killed, and two other soldiers were lightly wounded.
12 Mar 2002 - Infiltration: In a shooting attack on the Shlomi- Metzuba route. Six Israelis civilians were killed, among them IDF officer Lt. German Rojkov.
7 Aug 2001 - Two houses belonging to senior members of the former Israeli-allied South Lebanon Army militia were blown up using explosive devices. One of the houses belonged to Robin Abboud; the other to Samir Raslan. Hezbollah is suspected.
28 Apr 2001 - A 60 year-old Israeli man was found stabbed to death in Kfar Ba’aneh, near Carmiel in Galilee. The terrorists responsible for the attack were apprehended in July. Six members of a Hezbollah-linked Palestinian terrorist cell responsible for the murder were arrested in July. The murder was the initiation rite of the organization.
14 Apr 2001 - Fire at an IDF post in the Mt. Dov sector. IDF soldier Elad Litvak was killed.
1 Apr 2001 - A 42 year-old Israeli woman was stabbed to death in Haifa. Her murder was the initiation rite of a terrorist cell, whose members were apprehended in July. Six members of a Hezbollah-linked Palestinian terrorist cell responsible for the murder, originally thought to be criminally motivated, were arrested in July. The murder was the initiation rite of one of the terrorists into the organization.
16 Feb 2001- Fire at an IDF convoy on Mt. Dov. IDF soldier Elad Shneor was killed, and three other soldiers were wounded.
26 Nov 2000 - A charge was detonated near an IDF convoy. IDF soldier Khalil Taher was killed and two other soldiers were wounded.
7 Oct 2000 - Kidnapping: Three IDF soldiers: Adi Avitan, Omer Soued and Binyamin Avraham were kidnapped by the Hezbollah from the Mt. Dov sector.
Again, this is post May 2000, and it doesn’t take into account the plothora of attacks that Hezbollah have perpetrated in the past, such as the U.S. Marine Barracks bombing in 1983 that killed 241 Americans, and the coinciding attack on the French military that killed nearly 60. Additionally, countless jetliner hijackings stood as one of the staples of Hezbollah terrorism since their organization came into being in the early 1980’s.
Here is another timeline that goes into the beginnings of Hezbollah’s terrorist activities.
1982: Israel invades Lebanon to drive out the PLO’s terrorist army, which had frequently attacked Israel from its informal “state-within-a-state” in southern Lebanon. Hezbollah, a Shiite group inspired by the teachings and revolution of Iran’s Ayatollah Khomeini, is created with the assistance of Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps. The group is called Hezbollah–or “party of God”– after initially taking responsibility for attacks under the name “Islamic Jihad.” (Not to be confused with the Palestinian terror organization Islamic Jihad.)
July 19, 1982: The president of the American University in Beirut, Davis S. Dodge, is kidnapped. Hezbollah is believed to be behind this and most of the other 30 Westerners kidnapped over the next ten years.
April 18, 1983: Hezbollah attacks the U.S. embassy in Beirut with a car bomb, killing 63 people, 17 of whom were American citizens.
Oct. 23, 1983: The group attacks U.S. Marine barracks with a truck bomb, killing 241 American military personnel stationed in Beirut as part of a peace-keeping force. A separate attack against the French military compound in Beirut kills 58.
Sept. 20, 1984: The group attacks the U.S. embassy annex in Beirut with a car bomb, killing 2 Americans and 22 others.
March 16, 1984: William F. Buckley, a CIA operative working at the U.S. embassy in Beirut, is kidnapped and later murdered.
April 12, 1984: Hezbollah attacks a restaurant near the U.S. Air Force Base in Torrejon, Spain. The bombing kills eighteen U.S. servicemen and injures 83 people.
Dec. 4, 1984: Hezbollah terrorists hijack a Kuwait Airlines plane. Four passengers are murdered, including two Americans.
Feb. 16, 1985: Hezbollah publicizes its manifesto. It notes that the group’s struggle will continue until Israel is destroyed and rejects any cease-fire or peace treaty with Israel. The document also attacks the U.S. and France.
June 14, 1985: Hezbollah terrorists hijack TWA flight 847. The hijackers severely beat Passenger Robert Stethem, a U.S. Navy diver, before killing him and dumping his body onto the tarmac at the Beirut airport. Other passengers are held as hostages before being released on June 30.
Dec. 31, 1986: Under the alias Organization of the Oppressed on Earth, Hezbollah announces it had kidnapped and murdered three Lebanese Jews. The organization previously had taken responsibility for killing four other Jews since 1984.
Feb. 17, 1988: The group kidnaps Col. William Higgins, a U.S. Marine serving with a United Nations truce monitoring group in Lebanon, and later murders him.
Oct. 22, 1989: Members of the dissolved Lebanese parliament ratify the Taif Agreement. Although the agreement calls for the “disbanding of all Lebanese and non-Lebanese militias,” Hezbollah remains active.
Feb. 16, 1992: Sayyad Hassan Nasrallah takes over Hezbollah after Israel kills the group’s leader, Abbas Musawi.
March 17, 1992: With the help of Iranian intelligence, Hezbollah bombs the Israeli embassy in Buenos Aires, killing 29 and injuring over 200.
July 18, 1994: Hezbollah bombs the Jewish community center in Buenos Aires–again with Iranian help–killing 86 and injuring over 200.
Nov. 28, 1995: Hezbollah bombards towns in northern Israel with volleys of Katyusha rockets in one of the group’s numerous attacks on Israeli civilians.
March 30, 1996: Hezbollah fires 28 Katyusha rockets into northern Israeli towns. A week later, the group fires 16 rockets, injuring 36 Israelis. Israel responds with a major offensive, known as the “Grapes of Wrath” operation, to stop Hezbollah rocket fire.
Aug. 19, 1997: Hezbollah opens fire on northern Israel with dozens of rockets in one of the group’s numerous attacks on Israeli civilians.
October 1997: The United States lists Hezbollah as a terrorist organization.
Dec. 28, 1998: Hezbollah opens fire on northern Israel with dozens of rockets in one of the group’s numerous attacks on Israeli civilians.
May 17, 1999: Hezbollah opens fire on northern Israel with dozens of rockets in one of the group’s numerous attacks on Israeli civilians.
June 24, 1999: Hezbollah opens fire on northern Israel, killing 2.
May 23, 2000: Israel withdraws all troops from Lebanon after 18 years patrolling the “security zone,” a strip of land in the south of the country. The security zone was set up to prevent attacks on northern Israel.
June 2000: United Nations Secretary General Kofi Annan certifies Israel’s withdrawal from Lebanon. Shortly thereafter, the U.N. Security Council endorses Annan’s report. Hezbollah nonetheless alleges Israel occupies Lebanon, claiming the small Shebba Farms area Israel captured from Syria during the 1967 war as Lebanese territory.
Oct. 7, 2000: Hezbollah attacks an Israel military post and raids Israel, kidnapping three Israeli soldiers. The soldiers are later assumed dead. In mid-October, Hezbollah leader Nasrallah announces the group has also kidnapped an Israeli businessman. In 2004, Israel frees over 400 Arab prisoners in exchange for the business man and the bodies of the three soldiers.
March 1, 2001: The British government adds Hezbollah’s “military wing” to its list of outlawed terrorist organizations.
April 9, 2002: Hezbollah launches Katyushas into northern Israeli town. This assault comes amidst almost daily Hezbollah attacks against Israeli troops in Shebba farms.
Dec. 11, 2002: Canada lists Hezbollah as a terrorist organization.
Aug. 10, 2003: Hezbollah shells kills 16-year-old Israeli boy, wound others.
June 5, 2003: Australia lists Hezbollah’s “military wing” as a terrorist organization.
Sept. 2, 2004: United Nations Security Council Resolution 1559 calls for “the disbanding and disarmament of all Lebanese and non-Lebanese militias,” a reference to Hezbollah.
December 2004: Both the United States and France ban Hezbollah’s satellite television network, Al Manar. A U.S. State Department spokesman notes the channel “preaches violence and hatred.”
March 10, 2005: The European Parliament overwhelmingly passes a resolution stating: “Parliament considers that clear evidence exists of terrorist activities by Hezbollah. The (EU) Council should take all necessary steps to curtail them.” The European Union nonetheless refrains from placing the group on its list of terror organizations.
July 12, 2006: Hezbollah attacks Israel with Katyushas, crosses the border and kidnaps two Israeli soldiers. Three Israeli soldiers are killed in the initial attack. Five more soldiers are killed as Israel launches operation to rescue the soldiers and push Hezbollah from its border. Hezbollah launches rockets into towns across northern Israel.
Yes, they are a terrorist organizaiton, and not a group of freedom fighters as some have deluded themselves into believing. | |
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Posted: 8/21/2006 11:23:34 AM | Open book, re. msg. #285
Like, uh, hey dude,
Out of all the posts on this subject, this one has to be the single one most off point I have read. Let me site one difference between what the militant islamists were doing and what the illegal aliens are doing; Its called "HOMOCIDE BOMBS". While the Illegal aliens that come from the south are costing HUGE numbers here in SoCal, they are not blowing people up....
Trying to draw an analogy between the two is beyond a stretch......
PK
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Posted: 8/21/2006 11:47:00 AM | Don't drag the IRA into this topic. ( msg 326 )
The British gvt isn't any better than Israel and has cetrainly nothing to boast about.
It's still occupied land - well over 850 years ( N. Ireland )
So, who's the real terrorist here when one considers the thousdands upon thousands Irish murdered, removed from their rightful property, left to starve and their land taken illegally.
Kinda rings a bell with Israel, hmmm?
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Posted: 8/21/2006 12:18:59 PM |
I have to say I didn't think much of this as a source of insight into CBC bias
No you are quite right...it's actually quite poor...
I have heard more examples but quite frankly my memory fails me for sources, I didn't feel like maling an exhaustive search and I knew this site had at least one good (not HonestReporting) reference to a CBC reporter editorializing and getting referred to the ombudsman.
I personally recall the former host of Counterspin showing a very similar lack of balance in her approach during interviews regarding the ME.
HonestReporting I'm afraid would qualify as a bit of a poisoned well. In any case it was a quick example to hand, and I think if a person had more time to take a look around perhaps a better one might be available and my apologies for referencing such a poor source in this case. | |
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Posted: 8/21/2006 12:53:04 PM | Out of all the posts on this subject, this one has to be the single one most off point I have read. Let me site one difference between what the militant islamists were doing and what the illegal aliens are doing; Its called "HOMOCIDE BOMBS".
Hezbollah hasn't been involved in "HOMOCIDE BOMBS" since 1999, while still under a murderous occupation. Hasn't anyone noticed they stopped doing that?
If you think that the illegals are no problem, invite to where you live, or even better arrange for some to live with you, or do you just talk the talk and not walk it?
I believe in open borders. Don't care.
Interests and IrritationsHome Mostly Los Angeles OBVIOUS NEWS!! HEZBOLLAH IS A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION!!
Violations of Lebanese sovereignty committed by Israel: http://blog.zmag.org/node/2708
The Permanent Mission of Lebanon to the United Nations had reported a total of 529 “violations of Lebanese sovereignty committed by Israel” for the six-month period December 1, 2005, through May 31, 2006.
Lebanon’s Parliament Speaker Nabih Berri: http://www.free-lebanon.com/LFPNews/2006/July/July29/July29a/july29a.html
I would like to start counting from here, from the year 2000 until now, let's say that the Lebanese violated the line more than 100 times, although it is less than 100. Just before the war the number of violations by the Israelis was 11,782 times - by air, land and sea. I am not talking about the assassination attempts that took place in Sidon and in (--inaudible--).
Lebanon says to file complain against Israel to UN: http://english.people.com.cn/200606/18/eng20060618_275028.html
In recent years, several Palestinian militants and Hezbollah members have been killed in Lebanon by the attacks which Israel has been blamed for.
The Lebanese army said in a statement on Tuesday that it had dismantled a network used by Israel's Mossad intelligence agency to carry out attacks in Lebanon, mainly against Hezbollah and pro- Syrian Palestinian groups.
Lebanon takes Mossad terror cell to the UN: http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=11476
Yesterday, the army issued a statement saying: “The terrorist network has been active in Lebanon for several years. Its members received training inside and outside Israel and were equipped with the latest tools and techniques used by Israel's Mossad to carry out assigned assassinations in Lebanon".
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I'll totally agree that they used what we'd generally call terrorist acts, to put an end to a murderous occupation. Prior to 1999. Would you agree that the occupation was terroristic, as well?
Since 1999, how are militant vs militant attacks terrorism? That would make every militant a terrorist.
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Posted: 8/21/2006 12:58:35 PM | Hezbollah hasn't been involved in "HOMOCIDE BOMBS" since 1999, while still under a murderous occupation. Hasn't anyone noticed they stopped doing that?"
Ummmm, "homocide bomb" = "suicide bomb"...point to one after 1999. And, answer my militant vs militant question.
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Posted: 8/21/2006 3:02:26 PM | Wow, will someone please tell me how an Islamic fundamentalist or religious extemist is a facist? That terms comes from Bush's wacked out speech writers.
Fascism is a radical totalitarian political philosophy that combines elements of corporatism, authoritarianism, extreme nationalism, militarism, anti-anarchism, anti-communism and anti-liberalism. | |
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Posted: 8/21/2006 4:37:54 PM | I was then promted to find this list which details most of the higher profile terrorist acts committed by Hezbollah since May of 2000, when Israel unilaterally withdrew from southern Lebanon.
I really have to question the validity of the list you provided.
The true picture should look more like this:
Hezbollah attacked Other target (Aug. 7, 2001, Lebanon)
Description: Two houses belonging to senior members of the former Israeli-allied South Lebanon Army militia were blown up using explosive devices. One of the houses belonged to Robin Abboud; the other to Samir Raslan. Hizbollah is suspected.
(notice that this is militia-on-militia)
Hezbollah attacked Private Citizens & Property target (Apr. 7, 2005, Israel)
Description: Two Israeli-Arabs from the village of Rajar near the Israel-Lebanon border were kidnapped by Hizballah operatives and held in captivity for four days. The men, identified as Muki Ben-Jamal and Nuef Maharj Ben-Ali, said they were interrogated by their captors who wanted information on Israel. They were later released. Israeli officials did not believe that any security information had been compromised.
(notice that Israel made a point of saying they don't believe security info was compromised. I guess Hezbollah knew exactly who to talk to)
Hezbollah attacked Private Citizens & Property target (Aug. 10, 2003, Israel)
Description: Haviv Dadon, an Israeli teenager was killed when Hezbollah fighters fired shells into the nothern border town of Shlomi from southern Lebanon. Five other people were injured in the attack, which was the most serious since Israel pulled out of southern Lebanon three years ago. Hezbollah said the attack was in retaliation for the killing of one of its security officials, Ali Hussein Saleh, in a car bombing.
(notice that this was in response to a terrorist attack against themselves)
Hezbollah attacked Unknown target (Jan. 6, 2003, Israel)
Description: Hezbollah fired anti aircraft shells in the vicinity of Birait in the western sector of the Lebanese border. No one was hurt and no damage was caused.
(anit-aircraft shells, want to bet the target was a recon drone and those were the shells that missed)
This comes from a source that is HIGHLY reliable.
You will also notice that they don't include any attacks against military targets (I guess the terrorism experts don't consider attacks against military targets to be true terrorism in these cases, rightly so)
http://www.tkb.org/Home.jsp
(operated by the RAND Corp. as RAND-MIPT under Congressional funding)
One of the biggest things I noticed is that virtually every instance that is being credited to Hezbollah (by your source) actually was carried out by a different group than Hezbollah.
They do list one incident with potential links to Hezbollah (the potential comes from the Islamic Jihad name which has been used in the past by Hezbollah 'splinter' groups but the link is only suspicion)
Hezbollah attacked Educational Institutions target (Mar. 3, 2004, Yemen)
Description: Unknown perpetrators attacked a school in the Abyan province and tried to set it ablaze in protest against boys and girls being educated together. The suspects are believed to be members of Islamic Jihad. | |
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Posted: 8/21/2006 6:03:34 PM | We need to give hezbollah a chance to prove itself? I think they already have they have made proof that they want dictation of other nations and are willing to kill for the privelages. How many people would die if they were allowed to prove themselves to the extent that they would like? Hundreds and thousands. All of the good things you mentioned about health care and education comes at a high cost of life to lebanese and israeli people.
Q. Why is Israel conducting military operations in Lebanon?
A. Israel is conducting military operations in Lebanon in order to put an end to the threat Hezbollah poses to the Israeli population.
On July 12, 2006, Hezbollah a terrorist organization based in Lebanon and represented in the Lebanese government killed 8 and kidnapped two Israeli soldiers on sovereign Israeli territory.
This unprovoked act of war made it necessary for Israel to respond. Israel could no longer allow its citizens to be threatened by Hezbollah's missile fire.
Israel would have been negligent in its responsibility towards its citizens had it not responded.
Like Canadians, Israelis have the right to live their lives without the threat of constant violence.
The purpose of this operation is to free the abducted soldiers and to remove the threat that Hezbollah has posed and continues to pose to the men, women and children of Israel.
Q. Is Israel using disproportionate force?
A. Israel must respond with enough force to put an end to the threat Hezbollah poses to the men, women and children of Israel.
Proportionality must be measured in terms of the extent of the threat. With over 12,000 missiles targeted at Israel and a mandate to destroy the Jewish state. Hezbollah is a direct threat not only to the one million Israelis who live within the range of the rockets, but to the Jewish people as a whole.
All democratic nations have the obligation to defend their citizens from attack and harm's way.
Failure to face the threat head on and with the amount of force needed to destroy it would be irresponsible.
Israel's use of force is directly proportionate to the threat that Hezbollah poses to Israeli civilians.
Q. Why does Israel bomb civilian buildings and infrastructure in Lebanon?
A. Israel does everything within its power to prevent civilian casualties. Only terrorist groups like Hezbollah aim to maximize civilian deaths.
Israel is a democratic country with a moral army that makes every effort to avoid involving civilians in conflicts and causing civilian casualties.
By contrast, Hezbollah deliberately tries to maximize civilian casualties by targeting major Israeli population centres and by using civilians as human shields.
Israel only targets facilities in southern Lebanon which serve the supply and command capacity of Hezbollah.
Israel targeted the runways of the Beirut airport and the Beirut-Damascus highway in order to stop Hezbollah from smuggling the two abducted Israelis out of Lebanon and to destroy the routes through which Hezbollah is re-supplied with weapons.
Israel did not target the airport control tower or any other installation not directly used by the terrorists.
Q. Is Israel not concerned about the growing number of civilian casualties?
A. Israel does everything it can to minimize civilian casualties. When terrorists use civilians as human shields, it is the terrorists and not Israel who are criminally responsible for any loss of life.
As a moral country, Israel does not target civilians and regrets any loss of innocent life.
The Israel Defense Forces ( IDF) is a disciplined army which adheres to a strict code of conduct.
In this current crisis, the IDF has gone out of its way to try and save the lives of Lebanese civilians.
Prior to attacking an area, the IDF makes announcements and drops pamphlets urging civilians to vacate Hezbollah areas.
Hezbollah, on the other hand, embeds itself in residential neighborhoods, fires missiles out of private homes and cynically uses civilians as human shields.
When terrorists use civilians as human shields, it is the terrorists who are criminally responsible for the deaths of Lebanese civilians, not Israel.
Q. Following the July 16, 2006 death of 7 Canadians, what is Israel doing to help foreign nationals get out of Lebanon?
A. Israel is working with the international community to ensure that foreign nationals leave Lebanon swiftly and safely.
Israel has expressed its profound sorrow to the government of Canada over the tragic death of the Lebanese Canadian family.
Israel unconditionally regrets the deaths of any foreign nationals in Lebanon who are not involved in the violence.
Israel has established a safe corridor and humanitarian task force to facilitate the evacuation of people not involved in the conflict.
Presently, over 70 evacuee ships have left Lebanon without incident.
Q. What is Israel doing in order to help address the humanitarian needs of the Lebanese population?
A. Unlike Hezbollah, which seeks to inflict maximum pain and suffering on the Israeli civilian population, Israel is doing everything within its power to help Lebanese civilians.
The government of Israel has created special passageways to allow Lebanese civilians to vacate Hezbollah areas under attack.
It has created special corridors to allow for the free flow of food, medicine and other necessities.
A new Israeli task force has been formed to coordinate the distribution of humanitarian aid.
Q. Why didn't Israel show restraint and use diplomacy before attacking?
A. Israel waited 6 years for Lebanon to disarm Hezbollah in accordance with UN Security Council resolutions 425 and 1559. With over 12,000 Hezbollah rockets aimed at 1/3 of Israel's population, Israel can no longer afford to wait.
Israel withdrew from Lebanon in May, 2000 in accordance with UN Security Council resolutions 425 and 1559.
Instead of taking steps to secure a peaceful border with Israel, the Lebanese government allowed Hezbollah to take control of the southern part of the country and to stockpile a vast a***nal of rockets and missiles supplied by Syria and Iran.
Israel repeatedly called upon the international community to urge the government of Lebanon to rein in Hezbollah. Lebanon did not exercise its sovereignty and disarm Hezbollah.
Unfortunately, it is the people of Lebanon who must bear the consequences of their own government's inaction.
Q. How does Israel expect the government of Lebanon to take action after years of inaction and ineffectiveness?
A. The Lebanese government has both the ability and the international backing to take control of its own country.
The recent withdrawal of Syrian military presence in Lebanon has allowed Beirut more freedom of action in order to promote Lebanese interests.
The Lebanese government is now responsible to fulfill its obligation as a sovereign state.
Lebanon must take control of its own territory including the region abutting the border with Israel, and implement Security Council resolutions 425 and 1559 which call for the disarmament of Hezbollah.
Q. Why does Israel say that Syria and Iran are involved in Hamas and Hezbollah terrorism?
A. Syria and Iran are rogue states that arm, fund and enable Hamas and Hezbollah.
Hamas leader Khahled Mashaal has been living in Syria for a number of years. From Damsacus, Mashaal commands terrorist activity against Israelis, including the bombardment of southern Israel with Qassam rockets and the recent abduction of Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit.
Syria also provides support to Hezbollah including the financing and procurement of arms. Hezbollah would not be operating in southern Lebanon without Syrian sponsorship.
Iran is Hezbollah's main benefactor. It provides the terror organization with funding, weapons, training, ideological support, political cover and even elite fighters.
Most of the Katyusha rockets as well as the longer-range missiles that have hit Israel during this crisis came from Iran.
Q. What motivates Iran and Syria to support Hamas and Hezbollah?
A. It's a symbiotic relationship. While Islamist terrorists hope to take over the world and impose Muslim rule, their sponsoring states want to keep the world distracted.
Hamas and Hezbollah are driven by an extreme Islamist ideology which calls for the immediate destruction of the State of Israel as part of a greater plan to wage jihad (holy war) against the 'Infidel' Western world.
Syria and Iran sponsor and support these organizations so that they can use them as political arms which, on the on the one hand, further the goals of radical Islam and, on the other, deflect attention away from the fact that Syria is still involved in Lebanese internal affairs and Iran is developing nuclear weapons.
Arab analysts speculate that Hezbollah and Hamas initiated their respective crises with Israel in order to, in part, delay the international show-down that will undoubtedly occur over Iran's nuclear program.
Q. So if Syria and Iran are behind the terrorism, why is Israel attacking Lebanon?
A. Israel is fighting Hezbollah and not Lebanon. Israel will avoid military escalation whenever and wherever diplomacy has a chance of succeeding.
Israel is attacking Hezbollah's military assets within Lebanon and not Lebanon itself.
Israel has struck only at military installations used by Hezbollah.
Israel has no desire to escalate the military action beyond the present theatres of operation in Lebanon and Gaza.
Israel believes that the involvement of Syria and Iran is, at present, best addressed through coordinated diplomatic pressure.
Q. How will Israel pressure Syria and Iran?
A. Israel is not alone in its fight against terrorism.
There is a widening consensus in the international community that Islamist terror is a global rather than a regional threat.
One has to only look at 9/11 in the United States, the slaughter of the Beslan schoolchildren in Russia, and the murder of innocents on the trains and busses in Madrid and London, as well as the carnage planned for Canadian cities, to see that Israel is embroiled in an ongoing assault by Islamist terrorists determined to defeat Western civilization and replace it with Muslim rule.
Israel is working with the international community to put pressure on countries like Syria and Iran who both sponsor and encourage terror.
Q. What are the diplomatic avenues available to end this crisis?
A. Israel is telling its Lebanese neighbours: Return the hostages, disarm the terrorists, control the territory and then we can have peace.
Though Israel understands that military operations are now necessary to defend its citizens by neutralizing the threat posed by Hezbollah's terrorist infrastructure, the eventual solution to the conflict must be diplomatic.
With regard to Lebanon, the components of this solution would be:
The return of the hostages Ehud Goldwasser and Eldad Regev
A complete and total cease-fire
Deployment of the Lebanese army into southern Lebanon
Expulsion of Hezbollah from that area
Implementation of UN Resolution 1559, specifically the disarming of Hezbollah.
With regard to Palestinian front, the components of a solution would include:
The return of kidnapped Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit
Cessation of terrorist activity against Israeli civilians
An end to the launching of Qassam missiles onto Israeli towns and settlements in the south
An end to the incitement and culture of hate against Israelis and Jews
The recognition of Israel's right to exist as a Jewish democratic state
Respect for Israel's sovereign boundaries.
Q. By adopting an overtly pro-Israel and pro-U.S. position on the current crises, hasn't Prime Minister Stephen Harper compromised Canada's traditional role as a neutral, honest broker in the Middle East?
A. Establishing a clear, firm position against terrorism, and supporting democratic forces, will increase rather than diminish respect for Canada among all parties in the Middle East who share the dream of a peaceful future.
Stephen Harper's condemnation of Hezbollah and Hamas aggression against Israel is grounded in a principled opposition to international terrorism, rather than disproportionate support for Israel and the United States.
'Neutrality' and 'nuance' are not options for Canada (and other Western democracies) in the post 9-11 struggle against global Islamist radicalism sponsored and promoted directly by Iran and Syria, and through proxies like Hezbollah and Hamas.
Prime Minister Harper's principled stand against terrorism was reflected in the recent G-8 statement, which stated that besides the return of the kidnapped soldiers, Hezbollah must stop its Katyusha missile fire on Israel from Lebanon and Hamas must put an end to the Qassam missiles from Gaza.
The overwhelming majority of Canadians - 64% - believe Israel's military response to Hezbollah's unprovoked aggression has been either "completely justified" or "somewhat justified," according to an Ipsos Reid-CanWest Global survey published on Monday, July 24, 2006.
63% of Canadians feel that the onus for compromise for achieving a ceasefire rests with "those who kidnapped the Israeli soldiers" rather than the government of Israel. | |
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Posted: 8/21/2006 6:24:38 PM |
We need to give hezbollah a chance to prove itself? I think they already have they have made proof that they want dictation of other nations and are willing to kill for the privelages. How many people would die if they were allowed to prove themselves to the extent that they would like? Hundreds and thousands. All of the good things you mentioned about health care and education comes at a high cost of life to lebanese and israeli people.
and the rest of the Q&A.
It would have been a bit more straight forward if you had mentioned that you were supporting your position with the propaganda of a pro-Zionist Israeli apologist group like the Canada-Israel Committee (not that it wasn't a little obvious).
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Posted: 8/21/2006 6:29:06 PM | ^^^cleo's bit of propaganda brought to you by the Canada-Israel Committee: http://www.cicweb.ca/about/mission.cfm
Mission Statement
As mandated by the organized Jewish community in Canada, our objectives are:
To advance a strong and dynamic relationship between the peoples of Canada and Israel (translation: We want to get you to lobby for us on the international stage.)
To make the Canadian public sensitive to Israel's perspective on Arab-Israel relations (translation: We're here to lobby against any opposing view.)
To help facilitate increased collaboration between Canada and Israel in the pursuit of a just and lasting peace in the Middle East (translation: "just" doesn't invlove giving land back, "lasting" = beating any resistance into submission)
To articulate to the Canadian government and the media our concern regarding unfair treatment of Israel in all fora and to communicate the Jewish community's perspective on developments affecting Israel (translation: we're going to jump all over any media outlet that says anything bad about Israel.)
To work in concert with all fair-minded and tolerant individuals and groups in Canada and abroad to counter the myths, inaccuracies and oversimplifications concerning Israel and the Arab-Israeli conflict (lol, what a propaganda phrase...translation: if you don't agree with us, you're not fair-minded or tolerant...rofl)
To support all efforts within the Jewish community to celebrate Israel, the Jewish people and the realization of their timeless aspirations of Zionism: the return of the Jewish people to their aboriginal homeland as a free and democratic nation (translation: not our real aboriginal homeland, in Mesopotamia -according to the Tanakh, but the one we conquered - according to the tanakh.)
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Posted: 8/21/2006 6:29:44 PM | It seems that some just can't help posting from discredited sources.
Again, another PAC organization connected to a pro-Right Wing Zionist agenda
"Canada - Israel Commitee"
One has to only look at 9/11 in the United States,
Publically condemned by Hezbollah, ...matter of record
the slaughter of the Beslan schoolchildren in Russia, and the murder of innocents on the trains and busses in Madrid and London,
Publically condemned by Hezbollah, ...matter of record
as well as the carnage planned for Canadian cities, to see that Israel is embroiled in an ongoing assault by Islamist terrorists determined to defeat Western civilization and replace it with Muslim rule.
Hmmmmm... I see they really would rather use the broad brush of ignorance than actually check facts.
This is the type of fear-mongering that leads to:
http://forums.plentyoffish.com/datingPosts5057210.aspx
Camera/AIPAC/MEMRI/Etc propaganda, every source you cite it seems, ......next.
The overwhelming majority of Canadians - 64% - believe Israel's military response to Hezbollah's unprovoked aggression has been either "completely justified" or "somewhat justified," according to an Ipsos Reid-CanWest Global survey published on Monday, July 24, 2006.
m'kaaaaay....
I wonder why the CIC ISN'T publishing these, more recent results?
What you don't know can't hurt ......their agenda?
Globe and Mail-
Tuesday, August 01, 2006
rime Minister Stephen Harper has publicly supported Israel throughout the recent conflict in the Middle East. But a new poll finds that his position makes some Canadians, who would prefer Ottawa take a more neutral stance, uncomfortable.
In the survey conducted by The Strategic Counsel for CTV and The Globe and Mail, 45 per cent said they disagreed with Harper's open support for Israel. Thirty-two per cent agreed with the prime minister, while six per cent didn't know or wouldn't answer the question.
"What you're struck by is how unpopular the position he has taken is," Strategic Counsel Chairman Allen Gregg told The Globe, "especially in the province of Quebec" where 61 per cent of voters are against Harper's support for Israel's actions.
Tory support slipping over Mideast stance: poll
Updated Wed. Aug. 2 2006 11:30 PM ET
Canadian Press
OTTAWA -- A new poll suggests Tory support is sliding over voter concern that Canada has become too cozy with the United States on Middle East policy.
The latest results by Decima Research, released to The Canadian Press, put the Conservatives and Liberals in a virtual tie nationally.
The Tories had 32 per cent support compared with 31 per cent for the Liberals and 16 per cent for the New Democrats.
But the Liberals widened their Ontario lead to 42 per cent of voter support compared with 33 per cent for the Conservatives, and have pulled in front of the Tories in Quebec for the first time since last winter's campaign.
The two parties had been neck-neck in Ontario as recently as mid-June.
"When we look at the combination of the alignment of the government with the current U.S. administration policy on the Middle East -- and in particular with respect to the Lebanon-Israel conflict -- it's reasonable to assume it's one of the factors that's driving Conservative support down in the near term," said Decima CEO Bruce Anderson.
"They clearly are encountering some pushback from voters in Ontario and Quebec in particular."
In fact, in another recent Angus Reid poll, Israel was thought to be a bigger threat to world peace, 5% more than Hezbollah. I wonder what the "neutral" Swiss think?
Angus Reid Global Scan : Polls & Research
Swiss Chide Israel Over War Conduct
August 22, 2006
- Many adults in Switzerland are disappointed with the way the Israeli government has acted, according to a poll by Isopublic. 70.9 per cent of respondents believe the country does not have the right to attack its enemies outside its territory.
I wonder what Americans think of US involvement?
Angus Reid Global Scan : Polls & Research
Policy on Middle East Divides Americans
August 18, 2006
- Adults in the United States are split on the way their federal administration handled the recent conflict in the Middle East, according to a poll by Zogby International. 35 per cent of respondents say U.S. policy is as fair with the democratic government of Lebanon as it is with the democratic government of Israel, while 37 per cent disagree.
Only the the US, Canada (Recently), Israel and the Netherlands considers "all" of Hezbollah as a terrorist organization.
The UK and Australia consider only Hezbollah's external security organization (ESO) to be a terrorist organization. Russia, the EU, China, India, Brazil, South Africa, Mexico, Malaysia, Thailand, and Indonesia, among others, do not consider Hezbollah a terrorist organization.
So, ...most of the world doesn't.
Hezbollah is a multi-faceted organisation whose military arm was established in the 1980s to resist Israel's invasion and occupation of Lebanon. In the country's 2005 democratic elections, Their bloc became the second-largest in parliament (35 out of 128), and took all 23 seats in the south.
Its civilian arm runs hospitals, charities, news services and educational facilities. Its social services programmes are very popular with the Shia community (40% of Lebanon’s population).
As far as Lebanon is concerned:
According to a poll released by the "Beirut Center for Research and Information" on 26 July during 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict, 87 percent of Lebanese support Hezbollah's fight with Israel, a rise of 29 percent on a similar poll conducted in February. More striking, however, is the level of support for Hezbollah's resistance from non-Shiite communities. Eighty percent of Christians polled supported Hezbollah along with 80 percent of Druze and 89 percent of Sunnis, while according to another poll, from July 2005, 74 percent of Christian Lebanese viewed Hezbollah as a resistance organization
If we're going to continue to consider them a terrorist organization, we'd better take a long, hard look at our relationship with Israel too, as they've killed far more civilians than Hezzbolla has. | |
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