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| Who thinks that what hezbollah is doing really is the right thing? Posted: 8/16/2006 6:32:39 PM | From Ha'aretz (Israeli daily newspaper)
Nasrallah didn't mean to By Amira Hass
During the past month, Hezbollah's Katyushas killed 18 Israeli Arabs among the 41 Israeli civilians who died in the war. Clearly, Hassan Nasrallah didn't mean to kill them. But as someone who knows that many Arabs live in northern Israel, and as someone who knows that the launchers for his inaccurate Katyushas cannot choose the target they will hit - the fact that it was unintended is meaningless.
More than anyone, Israelis should understand Nasrallah's claims that this was "unintended," identify with the primacy he attaches to the "unintendedness" relative to the fatal results, and identify with the disjunction he creates between the rationale that is inherent in the war machine he has built and his subjective will. "We didn't mean to" is a mantra that is frequently recited in Israel when there is a discussion of the number of civilians - among them many children - who are killed by the Israel Defense Forces. To this, the claim that "they" (Hezbollah and the Palestinians) cynically exploit civilians by locating themselves among them and firing from their midst is automatically added.
This claim is made by citizens of a state who know very well where to turn off Ibn Gvirol Street in Tel Aviv to get to the security-military complex that is located in the heart of their civilian city; this claim is repeated by the parents of armed soldiers who bring their weapons home on weekends, and is recited by soldiers whose bases are adjacent to Jewish settlements in the West Bank and who have shelled civilian Palestinian neighborhoods from positions and tanks that have been stationed inside civilian settlements.
"We didn't mean to" is the cousin of "I didn't know," and both of them are close neighbors of the double standard. What is permitted to us is forbidden to others. What hurts us does not hurt others (because they are "other").
IDF soldiers have killed 44 children in Gaza since June 28, when the failed campaign to release abducted IDF soldier Gilad Shalit began. That is 44 children out of the 188 people the IDF has killed in Gaza - civilians and armed men, most of whom had embarked on a doomed fight against the invading tanks. The last three who were killed, on Monday, were three farmers from Beit Hanoun who were hit by an IDF shell - about as precise as a Hezbollah Katyusha - instead of the rocket launcher it had been intended to hit.
The road to killing children by a military and civilian occupation machine is paved with many non-intentions to cause other damage to civilians; these are not fatal immediately, but day by day, they take away the taste of life from 3.5 million people. These are damages that in ordinary times earn, at best, a mention the size of a postage stamp in the newspapers.
But these are the essential building stones of a regime of dispossession, the aim of which is to thwart the Palestinian people's aspirations for independence and sovereignty in its country. The callousness and cruelty that are required for carrying this out have become second nature for hundreds of thousands of Israelis. Unintentionally. Here are a number of typical examples: the identity card that a soldier confiscated in the middle of the night, which then gets lost, and its bearer cannot move on the roads and travel to work and has to pay a fortune, in his terms, for a new one; endless delays in the hot sun at roadblocks and at Civil Administration counters (and more loss of workdays); land confiscation orders; new blockages of village entrances; preventing the exit of all those between the ages of 16 and 53 from Tul Karm and Nablus; paving a new road to a Jewish settlement; preventing a Palestinian family's return to its West Bank home; cutting off another home from its village and lands via the advanced separation barrier; preventing family visits to prisoners. There is no end to these damages; one book could not contain them all.
When it suits him, the Israeli is part of the collective. Therefore, every terror attack and Katyusha are aimed "against the Jewish people" - which, of course, always authorizes Israel to embark on punishment campaigns that are defined as existential war. And when it suits him, the Israeli denies his partnership in the collective, in the occupation machinery to which he is a partner. He ignores the inevitable implications of the machinery that controls, in an authoritarian way, the lives of 3.5 million people who did not elect it (the Palestinian Authority was from the outset a fiction of government, with no authority).
On the one hand, the Israeli who "doesn't intend" cuts himself off from the Israeli occupation and colonialism machine, and exempts himself from the responsibility for the intention to harm Palestinian civilians, an intention that is inherent in the very existence of an occupation machinery. And on the other hand, he cuts the Palestinian response off from the existence of the occupation machine: After all, they as individuals and as a collective "intended to harm civilians," and this because of their eternal essence as Muslims, as Arabs - which is independent of us.
Is ANYBODY doing the "right thing" here?
More importantly, ....where is the money coming from that sustains this deadly status quo, and why?
(total U.S. Aid to Israel since 1948, if adjusted for inflation and interest, is estimated at $247 billion )
Some years ago Joseph Sisco, former Assistant Secretary of State, told Israeli author Shmuel Katz, "I want to assure you, Mr. Katz, that if we were not getting full value for our money, you would not get a cent from us." American foreign policy-makers are pragmatists, not moralists. U.S. aid to Israel is animated by national self-interest -- pious platitudes to the contrary notwithstanding. Israel is and has been America's biggest strategic bargain.
1) First of all, about 85% of the money Israel receives in military aid must be spent in the U.S., where it provides jobs for an estimated 50,000 American workingmen.
2) Conversely, total exports from the 50 United States to Israel between 1991and 2005 was $95.4 billion -- more than twice the $45 billion Israel received in U.S. aid during this period. The annual average of U.S. exports to Israel was $6.4 billion, more than twice the average American aid package. In 2005 the total exports to Israel from the 50 states was $18.5 billion -- more than six times the U.S. military-economic aid package!
By the way: the $2.6 billion Israel received from the U.S last year amounts to less than 2% of Israel's Gross Domestic Product -- currently more than $135 billion. Israel could easily dispense with this aid if massive tax evasion were curtailed along with the notorious corruption and inefficiency of Israel's government. But this is only the tip of iceberg of U.S. dependence on Israel.
3) According to Gen. George Keegan, a former chief of U.S. Air Force Intelligence, between 1974 and 1990, Israeli aid to America was worth between $50-80 billion in intelligence, research and development savings, Soviet weapons systems captured and transferred to the Pentagon, and testing Soviet military doctrines up to 1990, when the USSR collapsed. Senator Daniel Inouye recently put it this way: "The contribution made by Israeli intelligence to America is greater than that provided by all NATO countries combined."
It's ironic that Israel wouldn't need U.S. military aid were it not for huge American arms sales to Saudi Arabia and Egypt. U.S. aid to Israel creates a demand for, and the purchase of, tens of billions of dollars worth of U.S. weaponry by these and other Arab states. U.S. grants to Israel - far from imposing a burden on the American tax-payer -- actually enriches the American economy!
American Congressmen and corporations know this. They have a vested interest in opposing any sanctions against Israel if its government were to take a more independent and vigorous stand against its enemies. I attribute Israel's failure to do so primarily to the intellectual poverty and timidity of Israeli prime ministers, whose policy of self-restraint and territorial retreat encourages the enemy, prolongs the bloodshed, and endangers Israel's existence.
- Israel Insider (Daily magazine)
Ladies and Gentlemen, ....as far as war is concerned; we have a winner. | |
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| First they gave them Gaza and now Posted: 8/16/2006 7:43:12 PM | Wake up people! USA and British empire are infidels according to Islam and need to die.
"according to Islam"?
Bigoted nonsense.
Wake up people! the USA and UK, have been screwing with the entire region for almost a century non-stop, the UK was the first to commit terrorist acts in Iraq (which was created by the UK against the wishes of the people there), they were also the ones who betrayed the Arabs over Israel, by saying one thing and doing another BEFORE there was an Israel.
The US has been overthrowing democratically elected governments to install dictators to further geopolitical/corporate agenda, not the least of which has been prevent nationalization of oil fields (Iraq - Iran), it's a freakin' scam, they've been propping up SA since before there WAS an Israel....wake up!
The USA and UK, bought and paid for the best enemies money can buy.
Do yourself a favour, total up the amount of revenue generated by weapons sales over the years to:
Israel (see above)
Saudi Arabia (Oh, that's where the guys that hijacked the planes came from) From 1990-99, the U.S. government, through the Pentagon’s arms export program, has arranged for the delivery of more than $39.6 billion in foreign military sales to Saudi Arabia, and an additional $394 million worth of arms were delivered to the Saudi regime through the State Department’s direct commercial sales program during that same period.
Egypt
Qatar
Oman
Iran
Iraq
Kuwait
Look 'em up!
They fought a much more "civilised" war than what Hezbollah is fighting now.
For every man, woman, and child killed in Israel, Lebanon, and Palestine; someone's making a killing.
Hezbollah?
Is the US doing the "right thing"?
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| Who thinks that what hezbollah is doing really is the right thing? Posted: 8/16/2006 7:58:34 PM | Both sides have been like cats and dogs on that same peice of turf forever. Its pretty ambigious as to who was there first. Cananites? Hell I dont know.
Has there ever been a proposal to split the area into Israel and a Palestinian state while splitting Jerusalem? It seems like the best compromise.
If I understand right that is not likely to happen until Hezbollah is dissolved. Would the Israelies go for it? | |
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| Who thinks that what hezbollah is doing really is the right thing? Posted: 8/16/2006 8:14:03 PM | | No late they aren't but is hezbollah? Is every person who pins it all on israel right no. Hezbollah is a terror group and no what they are doing in the world is not making it any better of a place for the lebanese people OR the israeli people. I personally think that groups like that just like to stir up a hornets nest to gain publicity and more fighters for their cause. It is sooo not fair that so many don't see that there is a huge problem pinning it all of it on the israeli military when in this case particularly hezbollah were the ones who jumped the gun. Its not about "whos" the winner here man its about all the flack being dumped on israel and the fact that what hezbollah is doing to people on either side is dead wrong. above post was very right they are an extreamist group and do not deserve the time of day from anyone. I really don't understand why everyones so up in arms about the usa giving israel dough either, aren't they more concerned that they still haven't found bin laden, fight a completely spun war in iraq (wich bush did to finish what his dear daddy started) wich eats how much of the tax payers money? Has better protection for the saudi embassador than even himself and pretty much doesn't care about afgahnistan anymore and is more interested in inventing new ways to create more ecinomical waste than the welfare of his homeland. So why is 200 some billion over a half century to the israelis so bad considering he blows huge quantities of cash in very stupid ventures daily. He claims he wants to stop terror but sits in the back pockets of alot of arabic nations that happen to contain terror groups. He really couldn't care about what going on he just wants to save face in the israeli-lebanese conflict.he just wants a cease fire not a real solution to the problems that are in that area of the world a kind of pat on the back look what we did aren't we just doing dandy in this crisis good for us sort of thing. | |
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| Who thinks that what hezbollah is doing really is the right thing? Posted: 8/16/2006 8:16:25 PM | Irish Eyez,
I'm sorry but who is in contravention of UN mandates and decrees here ? Lest you forget (which , by sin of omission you have chosen to) Hezbollah was supposed to be disarmed remember ? And who said that they should do that ? Bravo, you get a cookie, the UN said they should. So Israel goes in and does the UN's dirty work and the UN figures that NOW they'll step in and do something. Well gee guy's how convenient. The whole reason YOU at the UN wanted to see Hezbollah disarmed was so that THIS wouldn't happen. So you didn't actually do anything, Hezbollah did exactly what you knew it would do, and Israel reacted exactly the same way as any other nation on Earth would....as the UN knew it would. Those UN observers who got bombed out a while back...why were they there again ? Oh yeah, because Hezbollah was having a problem with Israeli rockets being fired into Leban...oh wait...no, it's the other way around.
Hey, if you're going to be selective try and make it a little tougher to point out the hypocrisy. Yeah yeah...I noticed that everybody around here likes to only read the history back to the point where it favours their argument. They always conveniently stop at some point and say "Look ! THEY started it !" Whatever. Don't start invoking the UN on this one though. If EITHER side bothered paying much attention to what the UN had to say about any of this there would either be peace in the Middle East right now or one of the groups would be dead. And don't come back and say "Well if they'd done what the UN said they should do at this point, they'd have won/lost" That door swings both ways too. | |
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| Who thinks that what hezbollah is doing really is the right thing? Posted: 8/16/2006 8:37:58 PM | I trust Israel with my life and freedoms more than I would ever trust a terrorist organization such as Hezbollah or Hamas. I would rather negotiate with a Jew than with a Hezbollah terrorist. It is not just radical Islam it is all of Islam I believe most Muslims would convert to another religion if they would not be stoned or beheaded for doing so. The Quran does not teach love it teaches murder and Hezbollah and other terrorist groups supported by Iran, Syria, and other Arab countries use it to get attention from the rest of the world. | |
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| First they gave them Gaza and now Posted: 8/16/2006 8:51:58 PM | It is sooo not fair that so many don't see that there is a huge problem pinning it all of it on the israeli military when in this case particularly hezbollah were the ones who jumped the gun.
How? They captured IDF soldiers who were in occupied (illegally) Palestine, in order to trade for hundreds of kidnapped Lebanese and Palestinians (kidnapped in Palestine and Lebanon), if you don't believe what the rest of the world knows? How's this for a source?
Israeli sources went almost unnoticed. Cybercast News Service (CNSNews.com) of July 12 said: "The abduction of two Israeli soldiers by Hizbullah militants in southern Lebanon was not a terrorist attack but an act of war, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said Wednesday."
The Israelis had planned this war, they saw an opportunity and seized it. They could have got the two soldiers back if they had released those they had kidnapped, no blood had to be shed.
he just wants a cease fire not a real solution to the problems that are in that area of the world a kind of pat on the back look what we did aren't we just doing dandy in this crisis good for us sort of thing.
What DOES he really want?
On Iran and Hizbollah, there is, of course, much more to say, and I can only mention a few central points here.
Let us begin with Iran. In 2003, Iran offered to negotiate all outstanding issues with the US, including nuclear issues and a two-state solution to the Israel-Palestine conflict. The offer was made by the moderate Khatami government, with the support of the hard-line "supreme leader" Ayatollah Khamenei. The Bush administration response was to censure the Swiss diplomat who brought the offer.
In June 2006, Khamenei issued an official declaration stating that Iran agrees with the Arab countries on the issue of Palestine, meaning that it accepts the 2002 Arab League call for full normalization of relations with Israel in a two-state settlement in accord with the international consensus. The timing suggests that this might have been a reprimand to his subordinate Ahmadenijad, whose inflammatory statements are given wide publicity in the West, unlike the far more important declaration by his superior Khamenei. Just a few days ago, former Iranian diplomat Saddagh Kharazzi "reaffirmed that Iran would back a two-state solution if the Palestinians accepted" (Financial Times, July 26, 2006). Of course, the PLO has officially backed a two-state solution for many years, and backed the 2002 Arab League proposal. Hamas has also indicated its willingness to negotiate a two-state settlement, as is surely well-known in Israel. Kharazzi is reported to be the author of the 2003 proposal of Khatami and Khamanei.
The US and Israel do not want to hear any of this. They prefer to hear that Iran "is sworn to the destruction of the Jewish state" (Jerusalem correspondent Charles Radin, Boston Globe, 2 August), the standard and more convenient story.
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above post was very right they are an extreamist group and do not deserve the time of day from anyone.
The current Israeli "Likud" party was once the terrorist organiziation "Irgun", ...do they deserve the time of day?
Hezbollah has stated that they can peacefully co-exist with Israel IF, Israel:
Withdraws from the Shebba Farms (Part of Lebanon), and signs a peace accord
If there's to be any peace in the region at all, Israel is going to have to address this:
United Nations Security Council Resolution 242 (November 22, 1967)
The Security Council,
Expressing its continuing concern with the grave situation in the Middle East,
Emphasizing the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war and the need to work for a just and lasting peace in which every State in the area can live in security,
Emphasizing further that all Member States in their acceptance of the Charter of the United Nations have undertaken a commitment to act in accordance with Article 2 of the Charter.
1. Affirms that the fulfillment of Charter principles requires the establishment of a just and lasting peace in the Middle East which should include the application of both the following principles:
(i) Withdrawal of Israeli armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict;
(ii) Termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgement of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force;
2. Affirms further the necessity:
(a) For guaranteeing freedom of navigation through international waterways in the area;
(b) For achieving a just settlement of the refugee problem;
(c) For guaranteeing the territorial inviolability and political independence of every State in the area, through measures including the establishment of demilitarized zones;
3. Requests the SecretaryGeneral to designate a Special Representative to proceed to the Middle East to establish and maintain contacts with the States concerned in order to promote agreement and assist efforts to achieve a peaceful and accepted settlement in accordance with the provisions and principles in this resolution;
4. Requests the SecretaryGeneral to report to the Security Council on the progress of the efforts of the Special Representative as soon as possible
There is a lot of support in the Arab world to recognize Israel WHEN Israel addresses the issues it has ignored for 40 years.
Follow the money..... | |
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| Who thinks that what hezbollah is doing really is the right thing? Posted: 8/16/2006 9:00:08 PM |
"The Quran does not teach love it teaches murder and Hezbollah and other terrorist groups supported by Iran, Syria, and other Arab countries use it to get attention from the rest of the world."
That's kind of hilarious actually considering you were propounding murder of people just last night. Seems to me this is a contradiction of the very book you were quoting last night as well.
As for trust...well you're not Palestinian now are you? I think if you were able to walk a mile in their shoes, you would probably be doing just the same as them. | |
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| Who thinks that what hezbollah is doing really is the right thing? Posted: 8/16/2006 9:13:21 PM | I suppose we should not back Spaniards living in Spain, because history shows us that Islam pushed Spaniards out of Spain and it took 700 years for the Spanish to recliam Spain.
When Mark Twain visited Palestine in the mid-1800's he reported at how deserted the Holy Lands were. Now that Israel has made it an economically viable place to live the Palestinians lay claim to it.
What people need to do is stop the war-mongering and find ways to live in peace. Terrorism is defined as the deliberate targetting of innocent civilians to invoke terror on a population. That defines Hezbollah, not Israel.
If you really believe what you're saying I have to wonder why you are living here in North America, since we originally came here and conquered the existing indiginous peoples, stealing their land and imposing our culture on them.
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| Who thinks that what hezbollah is doing really is the right thing? Posted: 8/16/2006 9:24:42 PM | Pan:
I see you have difficulty determining the difference between National Defense and murder. Most Pacifists have the same difficulty believing they can negotiate their way out of situations with terrorist. However, realist understand there is only one way to deal with evil that has already suggested they want to kill you and anyone who does not agree with their psychotic perverse way of thinking. See you have to kill evil such as terrorist before they kill you it is not murder it is self defense. Self Defense since they have already defined their intensions towards your country and its citizens. Someone who wants to wipe your country off the map may not be easy to negotiate with. However, I am sure if you want to give it a try the Israel government will afford you the try.
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| Who thinks that what hezbollah is doing really is the right thing? Posted: 8/16/2006 9:26:37 PM | You have to love the ridiculous. ^^^
What people need to do is stop the war-mongering and find ways to live in peace. Terrorism is defined as the deliberate targetting of innocent civilians to invoke terror on a population. That defines Hezbollah, not Israel.
Not according to many Israelis:
Jews Against Zionism: http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/
Neturei Karta: http://www.nkusa.org/
Jews Not Zionists: http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/
Not In My Name: http://www.nimn.org/
European Jews for a Just Peace: http://www.ejjp.org/
Jewish Voice For Peace: http://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/
Jews for Justice for Palestinians: http://www.jfjfp.org/
Jews For A Just Peace, NC: http://www.jfajpnc.org/
Bat Shalom: http://www.batshalom.org/
Courage To Refuse: http://www.seruv.org.il/defaulteng.asp
The Israeli Committee Against House Demolitions: http://www.icahd.org/eng/
Rabbis For Human Rights: http://www.rhr.israel.net/
Jewish Peace Fellowship: http://www.jewishpeacefellowship.org/
http://www.btselem.org/English/index.asp
Have you seen this?
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7828123714384920696
BTW, the director of this film (Peace, Propaganda, and the Promised Land), Bathsheba Ratzkoff, is a Jewish Israeli-American.
As for Hezbollah:
Position on Israel There is a deep enmity between Hezbollah and Israel. One of the reasons for the founding of Hezbollah was resistance against the occupation of Lebanon by Israel (1978-2000). It became the main politico-military force among the Shi'a community in Lebanon and the main arm of what became known later as the Islamic Resistance in Lebanon. Despite the strident rhetoric, in recent interviews Nasrallah has answered questions concerning the establishment of a Palestinian state established alongside an Israeli state in a way which suggested that the organization no longer has the intent to destroy the state of Israel. Hezbollah’s present leadership disclaims any interest in contesting Israel’s right to exist outside of disputed territories. In a 2003 interview, Nasrallah stated "Of course, it would bother us that Jerusalem goes to Israel... [but] let it happen. I would not say O.K. I would say nothing." Hezbollah's website, however, marks a distinction between "Zionist ideology" and Judaism. It sees the rejection of Zionism as an attitude hold across "races, religions, and nationalities". It likens Zionism to "the concept of creating 'Israel' by the use of force and violence, by stealing the Arabs’ lands and killing Palestinians". "Opposing the Zionists ideology is not opposing setting a home for Jews".
The governing parties in Israel grew out of terrorist organizations like Irgun, the Stern Gang, and others....should we turn back the clock on these parties so as to not recognize the facts?
Most Pacifists have the same difficulty believing they can negotiate their way out of situations with terrorist.
See above.
Most who want war, understand that there is profit to be made, or have been deluded into loving war by those who make a killing at making a killing. | |
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| Who thinks that what hezbollah is doing really is the right thing? Posted: 8/16/2006 10:31:16 PM | You are currently occupying conquered land here in North America. Is it okay if Native Americans bomb you and kill your children to get you out? The Indian Wars lasted for 276 years. So, obviously, the Native Americans thought it was okay, for quite some time. Were they wrong to fight for their homeland? Were they wrong to fight ethnic cleansing?
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| Who thinks that what hezbollah is doing really is the right thing? Posted: 8/16/2006 10:39:53 PM | @diamondfrogg ...
Someone who wants to wipe your country off the map may not be easy to negotiate with. That's old stuff ... no longer able to be used since this was printed!
Hezbollah's Position on Israel ... There is a deep enmity between Hezbollah and Israel. One of the reasons for the founding of Hezbollah was resistance against the occupation of Lebanon by Israel (1978-2000). It became the main politico-military force among the Shi'a community in Lebanon and the main arm of what became known later as the Islamic Resistance in Lebanon. Despite the strident rhetoric, in recent interviews Nasrallah has answered questions concerning the establishment of a Palestinian state established alongside an Israeli state in a way which suggested that the organization no longer has the intent to destroy the state of Israel. Hezbollah’s present leadership disclaims any interest in contesting Israel’s right to exist outside of disputed territories. In a 2003 interview, Nasrallah stated "Of course, it would bother us that Jerusalem goes to Israel... [but] let it happen. I would not say O.K. I would say nothing." Hezbollah's website, however, marks a distinction between "Zionist ideology" and Judaism. It sees the rejection of Zionism as an attitude hold across "races, religions, and nationalities". It likens Zionism to "the concept of creating 'Israel' by the use of force and violence, by stealing the Arabs’ lands and killing Palestinians". "Opposing the Zionists ideology is not opposing setting a home for Jews". | |
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| Who thinks that what hezbollah is doing really is the right thing? Posted: 8/17/2006 12:31:30 AM | " Therefore our struggle will end only when this entity is obliterated. We recognize no treaty with it, no cease fire, and no peace agreements, whether separate or consolidated." this says it all. in my opinioin isreal IS showing impressive restraint. take the quoted statement personally,and think about it. if I knew someones stated purpose was to destroy me,and there was no reasoning with them because they told you right out this is to the death.Are you going to sit at home and wait for them?(well,maybe you would,because you didn't take them seriously) I know for me,self preservation would kick in and I would have to go find my enemy and kill him before he kills me(knowing he stated it is me or him).It would not matter to me if he provided for others or not.I wouldn't live in fear knowing that the next bus i get on could be my last. The biggest thing for me is crediabilty. Egypt once thought isreal didn't have a right to exist(when egypt was occupping the westbank)and attacked constantly.long and the short of it is,isreal went in and decimated the Egyptian military(and made the huge mistake of taking over "palastine" which wasn't part of the original plan and is admittedly the root of alot of problems)but the point being that once egypt recongized isreal's right to exsist the hostilitlies were largley done with.Egypt even got to keep the suez that the isrealies occupied as a buffer.Palastines have been getting more and more land back that isreal it's self is removing it's own citizens from(even by force of nessary)but it counts for nothing.Isreal has shown they prefer peace over war. I also believe the lebonese would prefer to live in peace(and deserve to,as all people do) I see hezbollah as the problem.how can you ever achieve peace with anyone who thinks you waste air with ever breath.the lebonese could go along way in achieving peace if they flush their own country of hezbollah(cochroch in english lol) like they were suppose to do.Isreal occupied their land as a buffer,gave it back on good faith that attacks would stop so peace had an opportunity.attacks continued Just to be clear I separate the lebonese from hezbollah for now anyways.I'm pretty sure hezbollah has seats in the parliment already which is a very dangerous road for the lebonese to go down.Reasoning of the current situation should tell anyone if they're elected as the recongonized goverment it will lead to open war,and huge death tolls. The only thing hezbollah is doing right.......now is rearming for the next round they have already stated they don't recongize treaties or cease fires(resupply). As long as extremist won't reconigonize isreal's right to exsist the only chance isreal has for peace is absolute victory.It's sad,but true My heart goes out to the lebonese who i think are being sacrificed to further the agenda of syria and iran just read the last four words of the top statement"whether separate or consoildated" to me that reads whether the lebonese want peace or not they will continue to attack isreal "What we got here is faluire to comunicate,some men you just can't reach. so you get what we had here last week which is the way he wants it,well he gets it.I don't like it anymore than you"lol
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| Who thinks that what hezbollah is doing really is the right thing? Posted: 8/17/2006 1:58:07 AM | Radical muslims don't deserve respect. I will say it one more time. Israel is the only middleeastern country that does not want to wipe us off the face of the earth. Wake up people! USA and British empire are infidels according to Islam and need to die. Who exactly told you that Israel is an Islamic country. Read up on your current events, history and geography before posting rubbish. | |
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| Who thinks that what hezbollah is doing really is the right thing? Posted: 8/17/2006 4:33:49 AM | gotapluse:
...sigh...
Israel's army is occupying illegaly a territory. No matter what way you want to cut and slice it, when their army/soldiers are in Lebanon or Palestine, it is not called self-defence!
Wy is that so difficult for someone to understand.
Oh, it is called pietism.
...speaking of sanctimoniousness, read on. Then think as to why Israel is backed by the USA with millions toward Israeli war machines.
The United Nation's highest body upholds Israeli War Crimes, in Violation of the UN Charter:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=20060812&articleId=2947
If anyone is silly enough to think that this 'war' began with the abduction of 2 soldiers, an all out war against Lebanon had been in the planning stages well before July 12.
The Resolution does not acknowledge another important dimension. Israel is in violation of the Geneva Convention by deliberately preventing the flow of humanitarian aid to the war zone: Article 15 of the Geneva Convention states in this regard that "parties to the conflict shall, without delay, take all possible measures to search for and collect the wounded and sick,..."
Aside from the core issues—refugees, Jerusalem, Lebanon, borders—the major themes reflected in the U.N. resolutions against Israel over the years are its unlawful attacks on its neighbors; its violations of the human rights of the Palestinians and Lebanon including deportations, demolitions of homes and other collective punishments; its confiscation of Palestinian land; its establishment of illegal settlements; and its refusal to abide by the U.N. Charter and the 1949 Fourth Geneva Convention Relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War.
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| Who thinks that what hezbollah is doing really is the right thing? Posted: 8/17/2006 4:57:24 AM | It's ludicrous to trust anything the UN says. Most UN member countries are dictatorships run by vicious thugs. Those people wouldn't know anything about being just or moral, so their concept of what's legal is totally irrelevant to any discussion.
It's not Israel that has put Lebanese civilians in danger either, it's Hezbollah that has by hiding behind them and using them as shields after launching attacks on Israel. | |
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| Who thinks that what hezbollah is doing really is the right thing? Posted: 8/17/2006 5:51:39 AM |
You are currently occupying conquered land here in North America. Is it okay if Native Americans bomb you and kill your children to get you out?
They already fought that fight. Smallpox and other diseases so reduced their numbers that uprising was impossible. They were nearly exterminated. Like the Palestinians, they have been herded onto reservations. But at least they are not being killed and harassed daily as are the Palestinians.
The Moors invaded Spain but they did not displace the inhabitants...they ruled over southern Spain. Their Caliphate was more benign and enlightened than the European despots of the time. | |
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| Who thinks that what hezbollah is doing really is the right thing? Posted: 8/17/2006 6:07:24 AM |
I don't see a thing about how the israelis are taking food out of the mouths of the lebanese peoples mouths though. I do see how the hezbollah "freedom fighters" are killing people on both ends by begining such a narrow minded conflict. Did israel not give the gaza strip back? Oh how mean that was of them what a cruel bunch of people they truely are. I think what get people so p.oed is hezbollah bit off more than it could chew and israel let them know it.
Israel denied relief convoys safe conduct to trapped Lebanese civilians. In Gaza, food is deliberately being kept at a starvation level. By destroying the only power station, the Israelis are knowingly dooming many others to suffering and death. Since they left Gaza (now they are back) the Israelis have shelled Palstine daily, besides carrying out assasinations of Hamas officials along with the usual number of bystanders. There are about 10,000 Palestinian prisoners in Israeli dungeons, kidnapped and charged with no crime, for the most part. These prison camps are a nightmare of brutality.
As has been pointed out repeatedly, Hezbollah did not start the IDF invasion. The IDF soldiers were captured in southern Lebanon. This was only the latest of a long series of small clashes between the two forces since Israel left Lebanon from their first invasion. The IDF still has many Lebanese prisoners that they plan to keep there indefinitely. They understand only violence, since they are in contravention of dozens of UN resolutions and mandates. The Lebanese resistance had the right to attack the invaders and set up a prisoner exchange. It was obvious that the defeated Second IDF invasion of Lebanon had been set up long ahead of time. | |
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| Who thinks that what hezbollah is doing really is the right thing? Posted: 8/17/2006 8:16:48 AM | | Technically that would be that fault of the beginers of the conflict would it not? That would be who again....oh yeah...hezbollah so I guess that the people of lebanon can thank thier freedom fighters for starting the whole mess now can't they? Not saying its right but thats how it is if hezbollah didn't flare a fire than those people would be much better off now wouldn't they. They wouldn't need those stores of supplies if hezbolloah didn't take those men but they did. What would happen if israel took some hezbollah fighters? They would get pretty angry right? Oh but that wouldn't be right even if they were right in the middle of israel because hezbollah can do no wrong even taking the israeli men (even if they were in lebanon) and starting an unfounded conflict thats taking innocents lives wich by the way those men that were taken were innocent they were acting on orders of supperiors like any other military unit not like the terror group that snatched them. | |
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| First they gave them Gaza and now Posted: 8/17/2006 8:32:37 AM | Alright late you do make some good points of suffering on either side but do one thing for me...find palastine on a map. Alot of the terrorist and islamist groups from that part of the world had always been nipping at israels rear end and have always had a goal to kill them all and destroy the nation of israel and take back the land from the infidels ect ect so how is it that the israeli people are seen to be so evil for defending whats rightfully their own? If you lived in a house for twenty thirty fourty years would you simply give it up because someone else said "Hey that house is really my house not yours so get out?". Thats exactly what groups like hezbollah want the israeli people to do and that is in my eyes a big stinking load of bull dung in a mountainous heap. Why should they leave their nation to a bunch of terrorists and radical islamist groups? It would be like building a house for your family to be happy in then standing back while someone who disagreed that you owned it set fire to it. Israel has every right to protect their interests and keep extreamists from reaking havock on it. | |
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