| Justice at last for Jonbenet Ramsey?
Posted: 8/17/2006 12:52:50 PM | | Well,at last,someone who isn't jumping on the guilty bandwagon.while it is quite apparent he is a sicko either way,and should be put away,we will have to wait for all the evidence to be in before we can say with certainty if he is guilty or not.What a depraved world......One thing i don't understand is why his ex wife would say he was home with his family the day of the murder,what could she possibly have to gain by lying about that? | |
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| Justice at last for Jonbenet Ramsey?
Posted: 8/17/2006 12:55:03 PM | | Nipoleon, my thoughts exactly ....and they said he did it for money well that wasnt alot of money to ask for from a millionair comon ppl not only that he had enough money to travel back to asia and all around please. i am not buying this crap for one minute... | |
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| Justice at last for Jonbenet Ramsey?
Posted: 8/17/2006 1:02:25 PM | "......One thing i don't understand is why his ex wife would say he was home with his family the day of the murder,what could she possibly have to gain by lying about that? "
Attention is what she wants folks.....her 15 minutes of fame...maybe a book deal....or tv movie.
I don't know if he did it either but don't assume anything in a situation like this. For all we know she could be involved. It's just as premature to assume she is reliable as it is to assume the police are unreliable. | |
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| Justice at last for Jonbenet Ramsey?
Posted: 8/17/2006 1:11:30 PM | I thought that for sure the parents or the brother had something to do with the killing . Yes I do feel horrible now. Im glad the family can finally have some closure. Its a shame that Pattie Ramsey passed away before she could see her daughters killer brought to justice. I read that Pattie knew that the police had a suspect in mind before her passing .
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| Justice at last for Jonbenet Ramsey?
Posted: 8/17/2006 1:58:10 PM | Now for something really interesting,...
A psychic who has helped the police capture a serial killer in the past,....
drew a sketch of what she felt the killer looked like,...
she drew the likeness in 1998,....
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/9694322/detail.html
http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/famous/ramsey/epilogue_12.html
interesting who this picture looks like,...no?
now if this man also happens to wear a size nine shoe,...and matches the DNA evidence,....(which no family member matches,..BTW).......then he's toast,... | |
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| Justice at last for Jonbenet Ramsey?
Posted: 8/17/2006 2:19:47 PM |
YES OJ DID IT OR HE HAD SOMEONE DO IT FOR HIM ...He knew he could get away with it and he did .... money takes care of alot of things ..... Why would anyone else want to do that to his wife?
You don't know that.
You think you do but you don't.
There's no way you could know. You're assuming you know all the facts and being irrational. This causes many people to be judged unfairly. You're slandering someone just so you can feel intelligent.
That's my point: if people hadn't pretended to know what happened, then the Ramsey's wouldn't have had to suffer the last ten years being accused (and convicted in most people's minds) of a crime they didn't commit.
I don't believe any child at that age should be parading around like that. I don't think that is very acceptable for adults as far as makeup is concerned. There are far better ways to dress.
I think this is very true. Making children up to look like sexually attractive adults may have been one of the causal factors in the murderer in this case going off the deep end...
What happens if some adult becomes attracted?
bad idea, in my opinion... | |
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| Justice at last for Jonbenet Ramsey?
Posted: 8/17/2006 2:23:02 PM | | Marita, unfortunately it won't matter to some people as they will always assume the Ramseys are guilty because of the media blast and the widespread speculation at the time of the murders. If this guy is proven guilty some will assume in some way that the Ramseys took part in the death of that child. I can not imagine the horror of losing a child. I can not imagine the horror of llosing a child that way. I can not imagine having lost a child that way to be convicted in the court of public opinion and to be hounded about it for they rest of my life as Patsy Ramsey had to endure. Shame on us all. | |
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| Justice at last for Jonbenet Ramsey?
Posted: 8/17/2006 2:36:51 PM | | now who is asumming they know. you dont know that they didnt , u just think they didnt , was u there do u know for a fact that they didnt ........u tell me why did oj run for the law what would his reason be for doing that ...i'mnot trying to make my self look good i just know that ppl that are gulity usually get off and those that are innocent end up in jail | |
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| Justice at last for Jonbenet Ramsey?
Posted: 8/17/2006 2:41:48 PM |
i'mnot trying to make my self look good i just know that ppl that are gulity usually get off and those that are innocent end up in jail
um... could you give me some documentation on that?...
or any proof of it at all?
How do you know?
I'm saying I DON'T know... even if they're convicted, I don't know... WE don't know. Nobody can say "most people are guilty" or "most people are innocent" because nobody knows. The police and court system have reasons they believe the person to be guilty and are charged with penalizing the person who is suspected, but even after a person's convicted in court, it's belief, not knowledge...
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| Justice at last for Jonbenet Ramsey?
Posted: 8/17/2006 3:00:06 PM | | I hope there is justice for Jon Benet, my doubts lie within the legal system and how it will provide for the victims. At this point, there are really only two people that know who did this crime, Jon Benet herself, god rest her soul, and the killer. Whether or not we get the truth, remains to be seen. | |
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| Justice at last for Jonbenet Ramsey?
Posted: 8/17/2006 4:10:02 PM | The guy says he did it and it was an accident. Considering that the non-accident part of it was drugging her and having sex, I have a feeling he'll have a good shot at first degree, regardless of what his intentions were.
Punishing him will never bring her back or relieve her family's suffering, but seperating him from humanity so he'll never be able to do it again would be the best thing that could come out of it. | |
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vivid
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| Justice at last for Jonbenet Ramsey?
Posted: 8/17/2006 5:53:04 PM | Fact: 600 mothers murder their own children every year. 70.3 percent of perpetrators of child abuse were female parents acting alone or with others......Posted By: vivid
I'd be interested from where you got those figures,...
or did you just pick numbers that sounded good?
Just go google it. It's extremely disturbing but it's a good indicator
why law enforcement will look to the parents and in particular
to the mom. If you're having trouble locating the stats I'll
email it to you. But I fore warn you, it's a huge file. | |
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| Justice at last for Jonbenet Ramsey?
Posted: 8/17/2006 6:07:15 PM | Since this area seems rife with conspiracy theorists, heres one: He is not guilty and he knows he can be exonerated, but by making these statements it gets him over to the USA, where the sentencing is much more lenient than where he is now........ The reason he is worried is because he committed some type of crime there, and is afraid of being caught...... Not bad, huh? So once he gets to the USA, he says, Hey, what was I thinking? I didn't do it, thanks for the ride here......
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| Justice at last for Jonbenet Ramsey?
Posted: 8/17/2006 6:32:15 PM | | Vivid, I do believe in the death penalty, If you were to lose your child due to a violent crime, not only would you have the hate to kill them yourself but you would definately be more pro for the death penalty, I can't believe there are people out there that can't understand the justification of the death penalty, look at the innocennse in the childs eyes and imagine the terror and her defensiveless position she was in and I can tell you kill him we don't need monsters in our society that perpetrate crimes against children, I will be one of the first to rally against any idiot who would protest this trial against the death penalty, God I hope you never find yourself in that position as I HAVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | |
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| Justice at last for Jonbenet Ramsey?
Posted: 8/17/2006 7:31:34 PM | | Im pro death penalty myself also... Id just rather do it myself than allow the government to do it for me... they cant do much right so why would you allow them to do that for you? as ive said before.. If I had a child who was molested... raped.. killed.. etc.. I would do what I believed... right or wrong... If i was wrong then I would pay the price for it in jail. funny how everyone here has already convicted this guy even though the courts havent.. but then you are also the same kinda people that were sure the parents did it . and now that you see that was wrong most of the people here are still trying to blame them because they put her in beauty pagents... should they have done that? no... does that mean they were responsable for her death... no.. much the same way a teenaged girl doesnt deserve to be raped because she dresses procatively... how bout everyone lets the justice system decide whos guilty huh? | |
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| Justice at last for Jonbenet Ramsey?
Posted: 8/17/2006 7:59:12 PM | The trouble I have with the death penalty, if I was for it; I'd have to
be willing to strangle the crap out of the freak myself, but who am
I to judge who lives or dies? What do I know about death? And
yes, I know it's easy for me to say this because I did not lose
a family member to a twisted freak, but I've always known
that hate and taking the life of somebody elses brother
and father or whatever will only bring more grief to others
and won't bring back my loved one. I don't want to be
responsible in sharing that grief. It makes me no
better than them.
Realtor, I appreciate what you're saying. I can't imagine what
you feel. | |
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| Justice at last for Jonbenet Ramsey?
Posted: 8/17/2006 8:05:23 PM | There's a few things that don't sound right about this guy's 'confession' (or what little we know of it, anyway).
Most strikingly, what's a school teacher doing in a pupil's house on Christmas night?
He picked her up from school that day? School on Christmas day?
Or, if he was a suspect at any time during the initial investigation, who let him go to Thailand?
And is it just me, or does this guy seem....unlikely to be interested in little girls....?
Something don't smell right here...... | |
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| Justice at last for Jonbenet Ramsey?
Posted: 8/17/2006 8:24:08 PM | Wow, I am sure there were at least 2 Threads about Jonbenet at this Forum this morning, but couldn't find them now???? How those threads were deleted ??
For those who has plenty of time, can check in the following site and read the closed to 5,000 opinions from people all over the world. Not all of them believe that Teacher killed her.
And me?? No, I don't believe a thing of what KARR said to the media.
http://boards.live.com/MSNBCboards/thread.aspx?ThreadID=55367&BoardsParam=Page%3D2 | |
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| Justice at last for Jonbenet Ramsey?
Posted: 8/17/2006 9:17:41 PM |
Since this area seems rife with conspiracy theorists, heres one: He is not guilty and he knows he can be exonerated, but by making these statements it gets him over to the USA, where the sentencing is much more lenient than where he is now........ The reason he is worried is because he committed some type of crime there, and is afraid of being caught...... Not bad, huh? So once he gets to the USA, he says, Hey, what was I thinking? I didn't do it, thanks for the ride here......
Nothing wrong with theories if the given "facts" don't seem to fit. How else can one find out the truth?
Here's one fact: If a an explanation for the cause of a given event is proven to be untrue, you can't find out the truth without guessing.
If nobody had guessed, we wouldn't have air travel and we probably wouldn't even have shoes.
Venturing forth with theories and then proving parts of them to be untrue is the only way anyone's ever learned anything we didn't know already. | |
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| Justice at last for Jonbenet Ramsey?
Posted: 8/17/2006 9:31:42 PM | going back to the death penalty, i'm not sure this is the right option for anything. i'm not saying it's right or wrong, but who's to say who we can convict and who we can't!?!?!?! just because someone takes the life of one person (or child), does that mean we have the right to sentance someone to death? Two wrongs do not make a right.
as for Karr, i don't know one way or the other if he is telling the truth, and as i said before, let's see the DNA evidence... | |
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| Justice at last for Jonbenet Ramsey?
Posted: 8/17/2006 9:44:15 PM | i agree with betterbesure. there will be no case without a DNA match.
look at kato kalin (or however you spell his name...). what WAS his part in OJ's case????
maybe i'm still too young to remember...but the way i remember it, he was looking for his 15 minutes...
i'm hoping that the family will find peace, one way or another. | |
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| Justice at last for Jonbenet Ramsey?
Posted: 8/17/2006 9:44:16 PM |
Bottom line is without a DNA match, they just wont be able to bring this to court. It will be seen as another nut case looking for his 15 minutes of fame.
When I see the policeman who did the original investigation warning us that this guy may not be the murderer, I wonder if they messed with the forensic evidence to set the parents up. Don't forget the OJ case where they did that...
... and Mark Fuhrman, the star witness in the case, who "found the bloody glove" admitted on radio that he messed with evidence to set people up who "he knew were guilty". That's why he'd been taken off duty prior to the case.
Were any of the people he helped convict with his falisified evidence ever let out of jail?
Isn't he still a cop?
Hey... evidence is falsified all the time these days. Pictures can be morphed to show anything you want: UFO's, Armies waiting to invade another country in satellite photos, "nuclear cleanup trucks"... We're only lucky to find ways to disprove it sometimes.
I think we ought to prosecute people who do this.
In the meantime, we all ought to pray it's not convenient for someone to declare war on us or "find us guilty" sometime... | |
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| Justice at last for Jonbenet Ramsey?
Posted: 8/17/2006 11:11:43 PM |
When I see the policeman who did the original investigation warning us that this guy may not be the murderer, I wonder if they messed with the forensic evidence to set the parents up. Don't forget the OJ case where they did that...
... and Mark Fuhrman, the star witness in the case, who "found the bloody glove" admitted on radio that he messed with evidence to set people up who "he knew were guilty". That's why he'd been taken off duty prior to the case.
I agree with this. People are set up all the time by police and other law enforcement agencies to take the fall for crimes they didn't commit. It's typically done so that the particular law enforcement agency can successfully close the case. Sometimes it's done to throw the book at people for crimes that were actually set up by the law enforcement agency itself. Medical examiners at forensic labs have been known to tamper with the evidence as well. Talk about corruption. 
As for this particular case, it's getting stranger by the minute with all the incoming revelations. And the suspect, John Mark Karr, appears to me to not quite be "all there" from the television footage and interviews I've seen. Something is off...he doesn't seem to have many emotional or physical reactions to what's going on around him. It's almost like watching a robot. He could either be a psychopath, or be on heavy meds for all I know.
It will be interesting to see how this all ultimately plays out, and whether they've actually got the perp. | |
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