| Justice at last for Jonbenet Ramsey?
Posted: 8/20/2006 6:33:24 PM | How did Jonbenet's parents think the exploitation of thier daughter would turn out? Did they believe that dressing her up like a whore for every pediphile with an appetite to oogle was a good thing?!! The whole idea of infant/child beauty pagentry was created for this reason and this reason alone: to perpetrate the "media hype idea" that youth (the younger the better) is the only definition of beauty. Now practically every woman over the age of 18 has to starve themselves, undergo dangerous and painful surgical "nips and tucks and lifts and implants" in order to fit the "image" of beauty promoted by the perverts who run the media.
Tragic? Yes. Horrible? Absolutely. Unexpected? Only if you're a moron.
Maybe this will finally be the much needed wake up call we as a society need to truly and fully concentrate on protecting and nurturing our children instead of treating them as possesions, chatel. Naieve? You bet I am. | |
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| Justice at last for Jonbenet Ramsey?
Posted: 8/20/2006 6:38:51 PM | | Perverts dont run the media.. perverts watch it.. and the media does what it does to make money.. just like any other business.. if people wanna see a cat eat a donut then thats what the media will show them. simple as that.. the media is not to blame. | |
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| Justice at last for Jonbenet Ramsey?
Posted: 8/20/2006 7:07:43 PM | I'm going to disagree that the pic looks very much like the subject, except it appears to be a white male in his 30s.
I saw on the news last night that Mr. Karr flew back to the U.S first class, enjoyed champagne, pate and shrimp on his flight, and was neither handcuffed nor restrained in any way during his journey.
How in the world is that justified?! | |
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| Justice at last for Jonbenet Ramsey?
Posted: 8/20/2006 7:30:41 PM | I don't think it looks like him either. The hair the chin the eye's look nothing like
the dude. People see what they want to see. | |
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| Justice at last for Jonbenet Ramsey?
Posted: 8/20/2006 9:28:32 PM | I'm curious, why are we blaming the victim and her parents? explotation oh please its all in a matter of perception, I saw the video tapes of her pagent and it looked like a talented little girl, would you be saying the same thing for a 6 yr old boy unbuttoning his shirt swinging his hips like Elvis?
Listen pedophiles like children whether theyre dressed up for a pagent or dress like old Mother hubbard? these sick freaks either should be locked away for life ,in a dark cell with no sun light and no human interaction.
For those that Kill our children , two words DEATH SENTENCE , not this Lethal injection crap, im talking Hanging, Electric chair either way fine by me, and for those who think is inhumane or barbaric for the death penalty spare me I've heard it all, read it all including the economic reports and the possibility of some one innocent so let me make this clear the GUILTY one that 1) DNA has proven it 2) confession not coerced my law enforcement 3) irrefutable proof
I'm awaiting the DNA report? if this guy is guilty because his DNA matched ,well put his lights out. | |
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| Justice at last for Jonbenet Ramsey?
Posted: 8/20/2006 9:36:18 PM | | Im all for it provided that only the guilty get killed....and like i have said before... if someone kills a loved one of mine... let me kill them... not the state...dont hide behind the law and complain about it... you want someone dead then do it. and face the consecuences... im willing.... if i kill the wrong person then put me in jail or allow thier family to kill me... stop hiding and complaining... but only if you know for sure... stop letting the media make your minds up... fools...most people like to get all the info they need via the media then blame the media.... | |
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| Justice at last for Jonbenet Ramsey?
Posted: 8/21/2006 9:04:50 AM | I'm awaiting the DNA report? if this guy is guilty because his DNA matched ,well put his lights out.
onegreatm8, I will be anxious to hear the DNA report myself on this one. Being the cynical that I am, I have a strong feeling that Karr is not the suspect but doing a lot of this for attention.
He was very obsessed with the case when he was in Paris and in my opinion was acting a little too cool and too relaxed for a person that was being arrested for murder. | |
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| Justice at last for Jonbenet Ramsey?
Posted: 8/21/2006 9:43:52 AM | i don't think karr did it.
i always thought the oldest brother did it.
but, i don't have a tv, so i don't have all the details everyone else here has and i may be way off base. | |
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| Justice at last for Jonbenet Ramsey?
Posted: 8/21/2006 10:20:05 AM | When the murder first happened, and the way the media portrayed everything, I did think that MAYBE her parents had something to do with the murder.
However, I watched a show (20/20 or something) and it changed my opinion. A lot of what the media had fed us was completely inaccurate. Surprise surprise.
If Karr was with his exwife during Christmas of that year (which she claims) he obviously did not do it. The things he's said in the media (she was drugged, raped, etc.) do not add up to what has been presented in the media all of these years. That I could see him lying about if he's some psycho. Personally, I don't think he's the guy. | |
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| Justice at last for Jonbenet Ramsey?
Posted: 8/21/2006 10:26:32 AM | you have a computer though,....junipermoon
have computer,....have everything,... 
just google all the names of the players,....
you'll be drowning in information,.... in no time,....
The trick is weeding out all the bull cookies,...from the snippets of facts,...
amongst these pages are several posts that have sites for you to start with,..... | |
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| Justice at last for Jonbenet Ramsey?
Posted: 8/21/2006 10:26:40 AM | "How did Jonbenet's parents think the exploitation of thier daughter would turn out? Did they believe that dressing her up like a whore for every pediphile with an appetite to oogle was a good thing?!!"
People (and the media was doing this nonstop last week) who view what she looked like as a "whore" or "sexual" are sick in my mind. If a person views a little girl dressed up for a pagent as sexy, provocative, etc. then, I'm sorry, the problem lies within you. My mom dressed me up in little girl dresses when I was young. My mom always curled my hair. I danced for relatives. Only thing I was missing was the lipstick. Did that make me a child whore? Should my mother not have taken me out in public because a pedophile might be lurking at the mall? It's called blaming the victims. How about, for once, blaming the perpetrator?
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| Justice at last for Jonbenet Ramsey?
Posted: 8/21/2006 10:33:17 AM | "Perverts dont run the media.. perverts watch it.. and the media does what it does to make money.. just like any other business.. if people wanna see a cat eat a donut then thats what the media will show them. simple as that.. the media is not to blame."
The media is to blame when it presents faulty information that directly influences the court of public opinion. | |
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| Justice at last for Jonbenet Ramsey?
Posted: 8/21/2006 11:44:01 AM | | zuzus petals, I agree that it's the perp, not the child, but I gotta say - she had costumes modelled after Las Vegas showgirl outfits that cost HUGE amounts of money to create especially for her. In my mind, that does cross the line into deliberate sexualization of a child - yes, to a little girl, it's dress-up - but the adults who created and paid for those costumes and had her parading around in public wearing them had to have a pretty good idea that sexual predators would be checking her out. That's called courting trouble. That doesn't in any way justify what was done to JBR - no idea if this is the guy or not, and I doubt we'll ever know the truth. I wish we could, and I wish there were some way to put an end to this kind of thing happening to any child, anywhere - but the truth is, it happens on a huge scale, every day. If she hadn't been a baby beauty queen, we might never have heard about her. | |
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| Justice at last for Jonbenet Ramsey?
Posted: 8/21/2006 12:50:16 PM | So please someone tell me just what is the difference between a sequin gown,....on a little girl,...verses,...
a gymnastics outfit,....(very revealing)
or a skating outfit,....(also sequin, also very revealing)
or a swim suite,.....(even more revealing than her gowns))
and any number of revealing outfits
for any number of sports activities,....
and a gown with a little girl singing?,....
care to guess what the difference is?,....anyone???
At these pagents,...apparently there are very few spectators that aren't related to a contestant,....the same can not be said for a skating meet,....or a dance competiti9on or even a swim meet,....have you ever seen the outfits,...not to mention the moves of a synchronized swimmer????.....
why is one activity looked on as perverted,...and yet a little girl,.... doing the splits over the head of a partner,....spread eagle for all to see,....but that's ok?,....why is that?,...
You are right about one thing,...JumpingRaindrops,....
If she hadn't been a baby beauty queen, or any other ethnisity than white,....and such a pretty little thing,...we might never have heard about her....and why,..pray tell is that?
All missing little children are someone's angel,...
they all deserve better than to be looked upon,....
with the eyes of a pervert,..... | |
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| Justice at last for Jonbenet Ramsey?
Posted: 8/21/2006 12:52:04 PM | Intent is the difference. Competitive sports and athleticism don't exist solely to render the participant an object to looked at.
Intent is everything. | |
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| Justice at last for Jonbenet Ramsey?
Posted: 8/21/2006 12:54:10 PM | "had costumes modelled after Las Vegas showgirl outfits that cost HUGE amounts of money to create especially for her."
Hi Jumpingraindrops:
My question is where do we draw the line? What about parents who take their young daughters (wearing bikinis) to the beach. I'd be willing to bet there are a lot more pedophiles hanging out there than at a beauty pagent. Why is that not considered sexualization? I was in figure skating when I was younger and had little skating dresses that my mother made/had made. Was I being sexualized?
I also think the amount of money the Ramseys paid for her costumes is irrelevant. | |
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| Justice at last for Jonbenet Ramsey?
Posted: 8/21/2006 1:41:13 PM |
Intent is the difference. Competitive sports and athleticism don't exist solely to render the participant an object to looked at.
Intent is everything.
that says it all
6 yr old girls in beauty contests............seems to push the envelope a bit
they also do their make up to make them look like little adults
It is just wrong and weird
far more so than gymnastics or swimming
It surprises me that some of you don't see that,and think somehow they are in the same catagory.
Give your head a shake | |
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| Justice at last for Jonbenet Ramsey?
Posted: 8/21/2006 2:00:39 PM | | I agree with you . I don't think anyone is suggesting that Jonbenet was anything except a pretty little girl and what happened certainly was not her fault and I hope not the parents. I like the rest of you are waiting for the DNA results. I agree with the intent statement. There are a lot of good thoughts posted here. You made some good points MB. | |
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| Justice at last for Jonbenet Ramsey?
Posted: 8/21/2006 3:25:16 PM | | I think it is time to back off and see what happens with the DNA. There is way too much speculation going on about who the killer actually is. The Ramseys and the Karr family are being exploited again. I am not watching any more of this coverage nor am I going to comment until this deal with Karr is settled. | |
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| Justice at last for Jonbenet Ramsey?
Posted: 8/21/2006 3:35:49 PM | My question is where do we draw the line? What about parents who take their young daughters (wearing bikinis) to the beach. I'd be willing to bet there are a lot more pedophiles hanging out there than at a beauty pagent. Why is that not considered sexualization? I was in figure skating when I was younger and had little skating dresses that my mother made/had made. Was I being sexualized?
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Was I being sexualized?,....God I hope not,...but the truth is (I suspect) that it would have dependet on who was looking at you,....
I don't understan how any grown man can look at a child JonBenet's age and see something alluring,...
I understand the point you are all making and guess what folks,...I actually think the same way but one has to ask,....where is the line drawn,....is it just the make up,....because child actors wear make up too,....
I remember seeing Shirley Temple when she was only three years old,...doing what could only be described as kiddie porn,...although they called it Baby Burlesk,...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baby_Burlesks
Temple began her career at the age of three, after being chosen from her dance class by a visiting director. Between the end of 1931 and 1933 she appeared in two series of short subjects for Educational Pictures. Her first series, Baby Burlesks, satirized recent motion hot pictures and politics. The series was considered controversial by some viewers because of its depiction of young children in adult situations.
So perhaps you are right,.. that say,...the line is drawn at intent,....
but not just the intent of the perv,....the intent also of the producers, of the show or pagents...and the parents,....
The mom was heard to say that she and JonBenet enjoyed the time they spent together doing these pagents,....To me that sounded too much like a grown woman playing Barbie's with her daughter in the role of the doll,...my weird-o-meter went off some when I first heared her say this,....but that's also why I couldn't see her as the childs killer,...
I suppose in an area where pagents are commonplace,...then they look at these contests differently,...but if you are upset at them having year olds in these contests,...your really going to be ticked off at the fact that there are 2 (I think) age catagories below that,...the youngest catagory is the 2 and under,....
There are children murdered all too often,...and most of them were NOT in a Pagent,....
I don't have answers,...just more questions,....
I hope someday we will find out who did this horrible thing,....but I too am doubtfull,.... | |
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| Justice at last for Jonbenet Ramsey?
Posted: 8/21/2006 4:24:20 PM | "The Ramseys and the Karr family are being exploited again."
I'm sorry but Karr is not being exploited. Nobody MADE this guy say what he said to those cameras. I could see one saying he's being exploited if he seemed to not want the attention, but from everything I've seen, he's more than enjoying it. Exploiting involves an unwilling participant; from what I've seen Karr appears to be more than willing. | |
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| Justice at last for Jonbenet Ramsey?
Posted: 8/21/2006 5:19:34 PM | We were all shocked by the death of Little Jonbenet Ramsey! We were all quick to judge and we all still are. Most of us can not fatham how someone could committ such a horrible crime. We mostly judged because of a world we all do not really understand the world of Child pagents! Jonbenet will never get to tell us what really happened and all the evidence will do is give us "possibilities" . If this man is guilty (our country says innocent till proven guilty) of commiting this horrific crime how will his chiildren react how will they accept this and live with the fact that the person that they are supposed to have been able to trust may have comitted such a horrible crime
NOne of us will ever really know how much pain and anguish (unless ithas happened to us) that this family has and will endure. Her mother died thinking that most of the world thought she and her husband were guilty (including me) SHAME on all of us. We need to stop playing into the medias hands and practice what our country preaches INNOCENT UNTILL PROVEN GUILTY). We let the media influence our thinking and we have the right to express our opinion but we do not have the right to Wrongly COnvict before we ahve all the evidence in our hands. Will we ever really know what happened to Jonbenet? Probably not but then again do we ever really know what happens in any case? Most of what we get is second hand and probably only what they want us to hear! So I will be quiet now and pray that they have the right person this time and if they do I hope that he does not get off on some technicality due to all the media hype! | |
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| Justice at last for Jonbenet Ramsey?
Posted: 8/21/2006 8:16:36 PM | Karr had to know the house very well....the dude took his time inside and
felt comfortable there, yet Mr Ramsey does not know this guy?
I think this guy is crazy enough to admit to something he didn't
do. His life in Thailand was crap, he's suffering depression including
the loss of his sexual identity. People are getting way to excited.
I think there in for a big let down. | |
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