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 onegreatm8

Joined: 7/18/2006
Msg: 186
Justice at last for Jonbenet Ramsey?
Posted: 8/31/2006 5:16:03 PM
Well this guy isnt the killer, fine.... but he's a child molester and let the justice system preferably with out the media fanfare handle it, lock this sick ba*stard up for life and lets forget about him.
 ][KAOS][

Joined: 2/24/2006
Msg: 187
Justice at last for Jonbenet Ramsey?
Posted: 8/31/2006 5:36:42 PM
My mistake Marita - I should of remembered you wouldnt be quiet. There were a number of people that agreed that sketch looked like Karr, why you are feeling singled out is beyond me and was hardly the intent of my comment. But you should direct your post at the originator of the comment, not me. *shaking head*


but he's a child molester and let the justice system preferably with out the media fanfare handle it, lock this sick ba*stard up for life and lets forget about him.


Couldnt agree more G. But is the without media fanfare, possible? I doubt it. Hell let him fry, one way or the other, he is useless to society.
 sassymiss

Joined: 5/7/2006
Msg: 188
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Posted: 8/31/2006 7:39:52 PM
There is an interesting read, a book by Dr. Henry C. Lee[ considered by many the greatest criminalist in the world.] Who was called in on the JonBenet Ramsey case 2 mos. after she was killed.The name of the book: Cracking More Cases[The Forensic Science of Solving Crimes] One thing I learned: The underpants worn by JonBenet were adult size 7. No knowledge of where they came from. There were people all over the house and the body was moved. Any evidence that was there was destroyed. Quote by Mr. Lee from his book.
"Mishandling of the crime scene and lack of physical evidence have severely impeded the chances of ever solving this case" It is worth your time to read this book if you are interested in seeing the case from his view point. I am still reading and I can not believe the things that went on at that house.
 marita_b

Joined: 6/15/2005
Msg: 189
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Posted: 9/1/2006 7:46:57 AM
where do you get adult sized underwear with anything but a small/med/large/xtra larg etc on them?,...but adult size 7?????

and Karr at this time is still as I understand it an ALEGED OFFENDER,...he has yet not been convicted has he?

 ][KAOS][

Joined: 2/24/2006
Msg: 190
Justice at last for Jonbenet Ramsey?
Posted: 9/1/2006 11:14:05 AM
Interesting to note, Henry Lee, same criminologist hired by the cruise ship when the honeymoon husband mysteriously went "missing" overboard. That case never solved either. Seems odd, but if he IS the greatest criminologist, how come he never solves these crimes? Wonder if Mr. Lee was at the OJ scene as well?? I am doubting we will ever know who really killed JonBenet.
 OpheliaBonMot

Joined: 8/12/2006
Msg: 191
Justice at last for Jonbenet Ramsey?
Posted: 9/1/2006 12:17:44 PM
Marita, I'm not sure where you're shopping, but my undies come in sizes from 5 to, say, 10. In fact, it's the inspiration for the all female punk band's name, "L7".

Yep, large = 7. Maybe it's a U.S. thing.

It's hard to imagine they were anyone's undies but mom's. And that makes me sad.
 sassymiss

Joined: 5/7/2006
Msg: 192
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Posted: 9/1/2006 5:40:22 PM
Lee is a renounded crimalogist, if the evidence is there he will find it. I myself did not say he is the greatest. Lee in the book said that the Panties JonBenet was wearing was size 7 and they are sold all over the USA. Lee has solved a lot of crimes. There are three more crime stores in the above book I mentioned. The quote from his book in my above post says that the crime will probably never be solved. He also makes an odd statement in the summary. Only two people knows what really happened.OpheliaBonBon: If you can get this book from the library you will really be surprised at what you read. If you don't mind contact me about this book. My settings have been changed.
 marita_b

Joined: 6/15/2005
Msg: 193
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Posted: 9/1/2006 10:43:29 PM
OpheliaBonBon,...I guess the numerical sizing thing must be an American thing,....because I have never seen that here,...I am going to look and see next time I'm at the mall,...because now I am intrigued,...

as for the girl having been found by them,....it brings up some new questions in the case,...
I know many girls like to dress in mom's things but I have never heard of that being mom's panties,....and,....if they were the mom's panties and there was semen found that had DNA in them NOT from any male in the house,....was it there from the girls attack,...or did the mom get the sample the old fashioned way,.....perhaps the perp grabbed the undies off the laundry bin or pile and put them on the child for whatever reasong,....

it is a puzzle to be sure,....one I seriously doubt will ever be found but may go down as another case like the Black Dalia,.....the zodiac or the ripper,....in that we will always want to know more,.....

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He also makes an odd statement in the summary....(sassymiss)

why would you think this is an odd statement,....I suspect the 2 people Lee was referring to were the victim and the perpetrator
 stevenman5000

Joined: 8/25/2006
Msg: 194
Justice at last for Jonbenet Ramsey?
Posted: 9/1/2006 11:12:08 PM
People and the media need to stop talking about this. The media got everyones hopes up like they always do. There are more important things happening that deserve the time being wasted constantly covering this story.
 slow_hand_001

Joined: 8/28/2006
Msg: 195
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Posted: 9/2/2006 12:03:38 AM
This is one case I think will never be solved. As for Karr, I say hang him.
 edmguy

Joined: 4/30/2006
Msg: 197
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Posted: 10/4/2006 10:32:45 PM
"Hey, now he is trying to get the charges dismissed. He is one sick ....They need to do something with him I don't care what. I think the JonBenet confession is just a way to try to make people think he is not responsible for his actions and a free trip back to the states."


umm people have been saying this from the start... it was only you and people like you who were CONVINCED he was guilty and ready to hang him...

now that its been proven he didnt do it... you all want to hang him for any reason just to appease yourselves...

why dont you wait till he is actually convicted of SOMETHING.

good lord... thank god all you idiots arent in charge of the justice system...
 edmguy

Joined: 4/30/2006
Msg: 199
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Posted: 10/6/2006 5:57:29 PM
"Hey hold on a minute there. No where in my posts did I say he was guilty of killing JonBenet. I said I was waiting for the dna tests. They are prosecuting him in Ca. for child molesting. I'm sure the prosecutors have enough evidence, otherwise they would not waste their time and money. And he is sick. What normal person confesses to a murder they didn't commit. If he is not guilty of crime, at least he needs mental help. You are pretty free with the word idiot. I and others here are not idiots, It is a debate. "

I suppose you dont keep up with the news.

"They are prosecuting him in Ca. for child molesting. I'm sure the prosecutors have enough evidence, otherwise they would not waste their time and money."

Actually no, they WERE prosecuting him for child pornography. He was found not guilty and released. so, I guess they would waste their time and money.

As for him being mentally ill... no one said he wasnt.. many people are.. I dont see you out on the streets trying to mandate forced treatment to homeless people.

I do apologise for calling people idiots.. that was wrong of me. Maybe some of you ummmm... just need... ummm.. mental help?
 sharinda911

Joined: 10/1/2005
Msg: 200
Justice at last for Jonbenet Ramsey?
Posted: 10/6/2006 6:04:33 PM

where do you get adult sized underwear with anything but a small/med/large/xtra larg etc on them?,...but adult size 7?????


Women's underwear in lingerie shops is often sized using numbers, especially if it comes from Europe.

that's just an answer to that question, not any indication of presumed innocence of anyone.

 sharinda911

Joined: 10/1/2005
Msg: 201
Justice at last for Jonbenet Ramsey?
Posted: 10/6/2006 6:08:40 PM
If we're lucky enough, with DNA data banks maybe the creep will be caught 15 yrs from now for something else and finally go down for this. It worked here in Ontario on a couple of cases. Better late than never I guess. Not that it will do the poor girl any justice, her life was snuffed out.
 sharinda911

Joined: 10/1/2005
Msg: 202
Justice at last for Jonbenet Ramsey?
Posted: 10/6/2006 6:09:12 PM
If we're lucky enough, with DNA data banks maybe the creep will be caught 15 yrs from now for something else and finally go down for this. It worked here in Ontario on a couple of cases. Better late than never I guess. Not that it will do the poor girl any justice, her life was snuffed out.

I'd like to see him go back to prison in Thailand ... nothing like our country clubs here. LOL
 e-wok

Joined: 9/25/2006
Msg: 203
Justice at last for Jonbenet Ramsey?
Posted: 10/6/2006 8:19:24 PM
I say we should ALLLLLLLLLLL submit to a DNA bank. When there's a crime
being commited: a) collect DNA b) analyse c) identify f) arrest g) convict

Wouldn't it be a safer world when people just KNOOWW they'll be caught?
 great lady

Joined: 10/2/2006
Msg: 204
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Posted: 3/26/2007 1:07:54 PM
You are a disgrace, any child murdered is the most henious of crimes that needs justice, and this child has a name she is more than a beauty pagent contestant or a puppet, she is another innocent victim in a world filled with hate
 broncsbuff

Joined: 4/18/2008
Msg: 205
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Posted: 8/11/2008 7:25:37 AM
window broken from the inside, no footprints in about a foot of snow leading up to the broken window, details about the ramsey busines...and to top it off...mary lacy the Boulder DA was friends with the ramseys...mmmm....

do your investagtion...I have done mine...

I dont even know if the ramseys did it...but im sure they know who did....which makes them just as guilty as the killer
 marita_b

Joined: 6/15/2005
Msg: 206
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Posted: 8/11/2008 9:10:23 AM
window broken from the inside, no footprints in about a foot of snow leading up to the broken window, details about the ramsey busines...and to top it off...mary lacy the Boulder DA was friends with the ramseys...mmmm....

do your investagtion...I have done mine...


http://crimeshots.com/CrimeScene1.html

then you've done your investigating ,...very badly because the crime scene photos clearly indicate that there was only a trace amount of snow on part of the lawn,...and some of the picture with the crime scene tape surrounding the property has no snow on it at all,....

a foot of snow???? I don't think so,...

as for the basement window,...well you can clearly see......on page 3,.....
it was open but not broken at all,...and the window does not appear to have been pried open from the outside but the window is closed by a simple flip latch that I could open with something thin and sturdy,...a metal ruler,...or Yes even a credit card could get the job done,...
just outside of the window you can see that the leaves and debris had been disturbed,...


Now I have thought about this and there are two possibilities,...the family was away and the killer could have entered through another means and layed in wait for the family to return,...after having done the deed,...the window would have been the fastest way out,...hence no force would be required to open up the window,....and by using the suitcase to ease his escape,...the suitcase hadn't normally been there right under the window,...but getting out would have been more difficult than getting in,...


The crime scene photos of the child as well as the full autopsy report of the damage done to this poor child tells me that there was a great deal of force and passion in this crime,...passion has many faces from lust to anger and it seems all were leashed out at this child,.....

Oh and BTW,....There was a footprint found next to the body that is SIMILAR to the one shown on this site's page 2,......

I find it amazing that so many people "KNOW WHO DONE IT" in this case or who if not actually responsible for the deed knows something about it,.....

I think the answer might be in why, it was done,....and that the chances are good we will never ever know for certain,....Like the black Dahlia case this will remain a mystery,...


The included site information leads anyone who cares to every piece of information known about this case,...via the site and the included links,....

You did your own investigation ,....now that's rich!!!


A Behavioral Case Analysis of the JonBenet Ramsey Murder:
By Donald Pugh

http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Estates/5046/behavior.html

THE OFFENDER:
The offender , and human monster, is above all an individual who has a tremendous need for excitement, recognition and attention. It is an organized offender who is skilled, pays close attention to details, and is capable of meticulously carrying out a complex plan. The offender has the need and ability to control others, and is in some position of power or authority. Being of high intelligence, this individual would be employed as a professional, and simply could not tolerate a subservient job. An ability to communicate would be present, with reasonably good social skills, but only in their role as a professional. In everyday personal relationships they would come across as a very cold, distant and insensitive person. It is not likely that they would have a spouse, or many close , personal relationships. They would be totally wrapped up in their profession , and their life would be their job in Law Enforcement. This very knowledgeable offender knows about Police procedures, and as stated in the ransom note/letter, is "familiar with Law enforcement countermeasures, and tactics". This individual has also had extensive training, and probably did some extra studying, on matters involving child abduction and molestation.


DOES THIS SOUND LIKE MOMMY DEAREST TO YOU?
 sexi sass

Joined: 3/16/2008
Msg: 207
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Posted: 8/11/2008 9:32:14 AM
It is terrible that the parents had to cope with the tregedy of their daughter's murder and accusations as well.
There will only be justice when the killer is found.
 broncsbuff

Joined: 4/18/2008
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Posted: 8/11/2008 9:55:55 AM

I dont even know if the ramseys did it...but im sure they know who did....which makes them just as guilty as the killer


my mistake on the snow, I know there was snow on the ground, and they didnt find any footprints, regardless, it seems odd to me that mary lacy is on her way out and finds the ramseys as not suspects, she also was friends with the ramseys...

Boulder police completly botched the whole investagation....I think there is so much we dont know...along with the ramseys not telling us everything....
 marita_b

Joined: 6/15/2005
Msg: 209
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Posted: 8/11/2008 11:01:04 AM
http://www.dailycamera.com/news/2008/jul/09/da-mary-lacys-statement-ramsey-exoneration/



In early August of 2007, District Attorney Lacy attended a Continuing Education Program in West Virginia sponsored by the National Institute of Justice on Forensic Biology and DNA. The presenters discussed successful outcomes from a new methodology described as “touch DNA.” One method for sampling for touch DNA is the “scraping method.” In this process, forensic scientists scrape a surface where there is no observable stain or other indication of possible DNA in an effort to recover for analysis any genetic material that might nonetheless be present. This methodology was not well known in this country until recently and is still used infrequently.

In October of 2007, we decided to pursue the possibility of submitting additional items from the JonBenet Ramsey homicide to be examined using this methodology. We checked with a number of Colorado sources regarding which private laboratory to use for this work. Based upon multiple recommendations, including that of the Boulder Police Department, we contacted the Bode Technology Group located near Washington, D.C., and initiated discussions with the professionals at that laboratory. First Assistant District Attorney Peter Maguire and Investigator Andy Horita spent a full day with staff members at the Bode facility in early December of 2007.

The Bode Technology laboratory applied the “touch DNA” scraping method to both sides of the waist area of the long johns that JonBenet Ramsey was wearing over her underwear when her body was discovered. These sites were chosen because evidence supports the likelihood that the perpetrator removed and/or replaced the long johns, perhaps by handling them on the sides near the waist.

On March 24, 2008, Bode informed us that they had recovered and identified genetic material from both sides of the waist area of the long johns. The unknown male profile previously identified from the inside crotch area of the underwear matched the DNA recovered from the long johns at Bode.

We consulted with a DNA expert from a different laboratory, who recommended additional investigation into the remote possibility that the DNA might have come from sources at the autopsy when this clothing was removed. Additional samples were obtained and then analyzed by the Colorado Bureau of Investigation to assist us in this effort. We received those results on June 27th of this year and are, as a result, confidant that this DNA did not come from innocent sources at the autopsy. As mentioned above, extensive DNA testing had previously excluded people connected to the family and to the investigation as possible innocent sources.

I want to acknowledge my appreciation for the efforts of the Boulder Police Department, Bode Technology Group, the Colorado Bureau of Investigation, and the Denver Police Department Forensic Laboratory for the great work and assistance they have contributed to this investigation.

The unexplained third party DNA on the clothing of the victim is very significant and powerful evidence. It is very unlikely that there would be an innocent explanation for DNA found at three different locations on two separate items of clothing worn by the victim at the time of her murder. This is particularly true in this case because the matching DNA profiles were found on genetic material from inside the crotch of the victim’s underwear and near the waist on both sides of her long johns, and because concerted efforts that might identify a source, and perhaps an innocent explanation, were unsuccessful.

It is therefore the position of the Boulder District Attorney’s Office that this profile belongs to the perpetrator of the homicide.

DNA is very often the most reliable forensic evidence we can hope to find during a criminal investigation. We rely on it often to bring to justice those who have committed crimes. It can likewise be reliable evidence upon which to remove people from suspicion in appropriate cases.

The Boulder District Attorney’s Office does not consider any member of the Ramsey family, including John, Patsy, or Burke Ramsey, as suspects in this case. We make this announcement now because we have recently obtained this new scientific evidence that adds significantly to the exculpatory value of the previous scientific evidence. We do so with full appreciation for the other evidence in this case.


There isn't even the slightest hint of impropriety here that I can see,....
She didn't come to this conclusion because she's a family friend,....
It is the laboratory findings that ruled all of the Ramsey family members out,....

I will agree with you on the following though,.....


Boulder police completly botched the whole investagation.....I think there is so much we dont know...


As for the Ramseys not telling us everything.... they have been telling everyone who will let them,....
I personally have watched the shows where they lay it all out,....again and again,......
but no one believes them still,....

Even now,...all these years later,...with the mom dead as well,....and with the latest DNA evidence PROVING once and for all,....they did nothing to their child,....

here you are,... broncsbuff , condemning them still,....

as for the footprint thing,...you saw that there was a smattering of snow in some parts of the lawn,...well to me that means the ground is probably cold enough to walk on it without leaving a mark,...but guess what even if it weren't cold out,....many times there are no footprints,....

I walk on my lawn all the time,...so do the dogs,...still,....you won't find any footprints out there,...footprints are not as common as you seem to think,....

Then again,....you are forgetting the one found next to the body,...which to me would be a far more important piece of evidence,...than footprints on a lawn outside,...which might have been left by one of the myriad of investigators or a snoopy neighbor a peeping Tom,...the paperboy,....or yes even a killer but who knows,....

next to the body however,??? much harder to explain away innocently ,...
 jack-d-ripper

Joined: 2/25/2008
Msg: 210
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Posted: 8/11/2008 3:32:44 PM
What about the Epic Ransom note? French Punctuation and a practice note found in the house?

Foot prints next to the body? The body had been moved.

Has DNA been done on the Garrot? Or Rope?

The DNA didn't prove anything....

Patsy did it.........

Had they been Joe and Betty Average it would have been all over a long time ago.
 BikerBiker53

Joined: 6/11/2005
Msg: 211
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Posted: 8/11/2008 3:42:08 PM
Jack,....

You,...and I,...and every poster here,...knows their will NEVER be any Justice, in this case,......

The poor girl is already dead,.....

The "Supposed" killer,...has been cleared, no matter if he was there,....????

Crazy,...isnt it ???

I'd demand his Death too,...for not trying to prevent Hers.

Just goes to show you,......Whats "Popular" in Todays News.
 jack-d-ripper

Joined: 2/25/2008
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Posted: 8/12/2008 5:31:43 AM
It is interesting how the DA, the one that solved the case with the "Man Woman".... a guy that was in Alabama.......... The DA what served Karr Shrimp and Champaign on the flight to Denver....

Now that same DA can clear Patsy .............
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