| | Prince - the modern day MozartPage 2 of 2 (1, 2) | well, at least I'm creating controversy with this thread.... Prince would be proud of me, LOL
But nowhere on this thread have i compared their music... as there is NO comparison. However I still hold the opinion that Prince is to popular music as Mozart was to classical (OK, so classical music is 100 times more difficult to compose than popular music... but you get the point). And many music legends (Eric Clapton, carlos santana, steve vai, stevie wonder, david bowie, MILES DAVIS-who's autobiography has a whole chapter devoted to his time with Prince, robert plant, paul stanley, bono, james brown, george clinton, little richard, joni mitchell... the list is endless) have stated publically their respect and admiration for Prince's talents. You can hear his influence in almost all genres of popular music today. I just find it a shame that the public at large fail to recognize this because of homophobia, because of their perception of Prince as a weird black man who wears make-up and high heels. | |
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Posted: 9/13/2006 1:49:43 AM |
I just find it a shame that the public at large fail to recognize this because of homophobia
hmmmm...then how the hell did Queen get so damn popular? I'm sorry...but sexual orientation has absolutely nothing to do with music...a lot of people just don't like pop music...plain and simple...
...I almost feel inclined to check some of his stuff out after reading this thread though... | |
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Posted: 9/13/2006 3:11:43 AM | paulchino II
dude prince rules
go to the Library and get
PRINCE -PURPLE RAIN -THE soundtrack ALBUM-(1984)
PRINCE -LIVE in Las Vegas -(2003 I think) -DVD
PRINCE - LOVESEXY (1991)
all of those are really good .........and when you consider when they were done, they were so ahead of their time, and so original
to everyone else:
Prince gets so much praise from his musician peers because they 'get it'
they are very intouch with what is good and truly original
Comparing Prince to Mozart is just hype and a waste of energy and breath
I would easily put him up there with Miles Davis,Micheal Jackson,James Browne,Quincy Jones
as being every bit as important and an innovator in his genre............
And more important ...........he is still relevent and will be for years to come
just like James Browne was right into his 70's
Check out
Prince -live in Las vegas -dvd
you will know exactly what I mean.................
to all the ney sayers ---------til you see that you do not know your asss from a hole in the ground
Prince is the new godfather of Funk and soul | |
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Posted: 9/13/2006 7:40:06 PM |
OK, so classical music is 100 times more difficult to compose than popular music... but you get the point).
That depends entirely how you were trained. I have a strange natural talent for the classical realm, but now I'm trying to write pop stuff instead and it's seriously kicking my ______. Everything I've put together so far seems either dull or dorky, whereas I got fairly decent comments on most of my classical stuff. It merely depends on how your brain is wired.
public at large fail to recognize this because of homophobia,
Just adding a piece of trivia. Schubert was gay. I got really tired of professors wanting me to write papers on how that may have affected his music, because I really don't believe that affects compositional style. As soon as I had the freedom to do so, I did a huge paper instead on the affects of drug usage on music, and it upset a lot of people. The grandfather of orchestration, Berlioz, did a mixture of heroin and opium. Berlioz's book is still used today with additions from ....ummm....Sousa, I think???
So, yes, this is a sideline to the topic. Oh, and Mozart did have pieces out that can rip apart a person emotionally rather than just the "pretty" stuff. That stuff is just harder to find. | |
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Posted: 9/14/2006 4:36:11 PM | By Popular music, I meant modern music such as rock, soul, funk, etc... not "pop music" a la Britney and Nsync.
About the gay thing... I've never heard of Prince being gay until a couple of years ago when I was working at a blue collar job. My co-workers all thought he was gay and mocked me whenever a Prince song plays on the radio. And Prince ain't even gay! But I guess its the androgyny thing that puts people off these days. Back in the 70s and 80s it was cool. Nowadays, you'd be labelled a freak. People these days wants to "fit in" whereas in the 70s and 80s, people were much more original. And Prince's image does not "fit in" with what people are comfortable with today.
Guitarman100, I would also add the Sign O The Times concert movie to your list! and also the N.E.W.S. CD which is the instrumental CD he released a few years back, got some great playing on it... check it out! :) | |
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Posted: 9/15/2006 8:19:17 AM | | The current Prince/Mozart argument notwithstanding, I think Prince is a fantastically talented musician. Eccentric, yes, but you can't listen to one of his albums and you DEFINITELY cannot go to one of his live shows and deny the man's musical virtuosity. I was lucky enough to catch him on the Musicology tour when he came through Toronto. I'd always known Prince was a great guitarist, but it never really sank in until that show. There is NO ONE better. And when he sat down with the stage to himself and played some of his old classics on just an acoustic guitar I was spellbound. Best concert I've EVER been to | |
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Posted: 9/20/2006 8:56:07 PM |
By Popular music, I meant modern music such as rock, soul, funk, etc... not "pop music" a la Britney and Nsync.
Ummm, I did too and that's what I assumed you meant. What made you think I even considered them in this conversation? I guess I could see making that assumption from my use of the word "pop". I didn't intend to invoke the kind of music you thought I did. What I've been attempting to work on has been mostly in the realm of rock, I just never went that route before.
...I can't believe those two names made it into this thread. | |
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Posted: 9/20/2006 10:44:48 PM | Purple Rain and his 80s stuff was the best. I have huge amounts of respect for Prince and his support of the Canadian Music Industry. Last I heard, he ditched the American scene and moved up to Toronto. His name change had something to do with his views on the American music industry and his relationship with Sony, if I'm not mistaken. He considered himself a slave to the American music industry (which is what one of his tattoos meant).
Your useless information for the day. Oh, and Prince is happily married - last I heard. | |
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Posted: 9/21/2006 7:55:20 PM | Ummm, I did too and that's what I assumed you meant. What made you think I even considered them in this conversation? I guess I could see making that assumption from my use of the word "pop". I didn't intend to invoke the kind of music you thought I did. What I've been attempting to work on has been mostly in the realm of rock, I just never went that route before.
I wasn't referring to you, whenu_rstrange, sorry...
I was referring to paulchino who said:
hmmmm...then how the hell did Queen get so damn popular? I'm sorry...but sexual orientation has absolutely nothing to do with music...a lot of people just don't like pop music...plain and simple...
gypsygirl, he changed his name because he wanted out of his record contract with Warner Bros. He wanted to release more music, and more frequently, but the new WB bosses did not allow it, so he wanted out (the previous head honcho at WB supported him 100%). The contract stated that you cannot get out of the contract by changing your name to another name. so he changed it to a symbol. | |
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Posted: 9/22/2006 11:44:56 AM | Prince suffered badly for having too much control.His output was far too prolific.Emacipation and Crystal Ball would have made excellent single cd releases and probably have sold well and kept his reputation strong.Instead he released these as treble disc cd's with an awful lot of padding and jamming on them.
He's no genius but has the talent and personality to release one really decent album about every two years.Unfortunatley his early nineties name change and over releasing of material has lost him a huge fan base. | |
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Posted: 9/23/2006 7:26:22 AM | ^^^ I agree with your comment about too much control. In the 80s, when he was with the Revolution, they were more of a "band" and he allowed creative input from his bandmates. The music they made during this time changed popular music as a whole... you can hear the influence across all genres of music today. But in the 90s, his new band, the NPG, while they are all seasoned musicians, they were merely employees and had no input to the music at all except for backing Prince when they play live.
Here's an interesting snippet from U2's Bono's autobiography talking about Prince:
Bono Vox, U2's lead singer and frontman, share his thoughts in a new book called: "BONO: In Conversation". The work was complied by French rock critic/journalist (and friend of Bono) Michka Assayas.
And here's some things he talked about the Purple One:
About living the rock star life:
"These white rock stars, they think they're authentic, and that Prince is just some sort of showbiz Christmas tree. But he has more soul in his little finger than a whole harbor full of these rock bands."
Bono talks about meeting Prince in the early 90s and asking him about the word "slave" written on his face:
"There's no excuse in the twentieth century for intelligent people signing a deal they don't understand. That said, Prince deserves the best deal in the world because he is the best in the world. He's Duke Ellington to me!"
After saying that he would much rather be in a band than a solo artist because solo artists are too prone to indulgence:
"I think, in some ways, it's easier to realize a vision that's singular and in your own head, but it's harder to keep the vision going without argument. Look at Prince. He's one of my favorite composers of the twentieth century. I really believe in him. But he needs an editor. He needs a row. He needs somebody in the studio to tell him to f*ck off. 'And guess what? There's six great tracks and four of them are pretty average. I'm sorry, sir. Your genius was having a bad day.' Does he have that? No chance." | |
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Posted: 6/14/2012 6:30:56 PM |
I'm with response No. 2. I think Prince sucks too.
I'd venture to say he would probably think you suck, too, and he would be right. | |
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