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| Are Christians the only ones going to Heaven???
Posted: 12/24/2007 12:26:09 PM | I sure hope not. Or else heaven is going to be one boring monotonous place.
I never liked the "country club" mentality that some people have: you can't "get in" unless you adhere to a certain belief. In my opinion, people of all religions--be it Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Muslim, etc.--worship a Higher power; Just because the name for one person's Higher Power doesn't match the name I know it by, doesn't make it any less relevant. I don't believe that there are any "right" or "wrong" religions; the truth is, none of us really know what happens when we die , or what standards God uses to judge those worthy to enter Paradise.
It is not up to us to decide who enters Heaven, it's up to God, so let the Higher Power do its job!! | |
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| Are Christians the only ones going to Heaven???
Posted: 12/24/2007 12:36:25 PM | Having put more thought into this topic, I would like to add to my earlier posting.
What is Heaven? Those that believe in it have different concepts.
To respond to this topic at all, in my mind, calls forth the concept of the 'soul/spirit, which no one seems to agree on, either. But, most people do seem to agree that we have 'something' that is released at death for further refining, reward, or what-not. A 'hereafter'. Even some that do not believe in the Bible, or Jesus. Which probably explains why I only found a couple thread topics on it.
Who are Christians? There are many who call themselves 'Christians' including me. But, there are so many denominations & individual beliefs within the broad category of 'Christianity.' There are Catholics & Protestants; reformers, fundamentalists, radicals; it goes on & on.
Christianity, itself, seems to be ever-evolving. And the Bible, with so many translations, seems to be changing, too. It's interesting to see more debate & questions concerning the NT than the OT. Only my observation - from reading the various threads. I might be wrong as I haven't read every one..
Based on what I have drawn from the Bible, I believe that God, & He alone, determines who will have everlasting life, be it reward or otherwise. He will know their ' heart' condition and they might very well be persons we would never think it of. It won't be about race, 'religion' or country you live in. | |
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| Are Christians the only ones going to Heaven???
Posted: 12/27/2007 4:19:25 AM | Heaven is where Gods organized Kingdom is at...."THE PLACE OF GOD" tho the bible talsk of 3 heavens to deacribe the sky, The Space & God THRONE....... Not one place in the bible tells of going to heaven...it does tell of Elijah being caught up into a wirlwind and taken into the heavens, but since No one can go anywhere before the resrrection Elijah is in an unknown place put by God..........The Word Tells you can receive Gods Promise of eternal life....In Gods creation in the beginning He had an orginial plan of Paradise on earth with man & woman...Jesus refers to it....Thy King COME THY WILL BE DONE ON EARTH AS IT IS IN HEAVEN? that is where the anointed King will rule forever.....God didnt fail...His orginial plan will be finished
The term Christian was later added, but it refers to those that follow the teaching of the one call the Christ.......REV refers to the Faithfull not numbering in extreamly large numbers.......It is not east for anyone to follow Gos requirments today, but as the task gets tougher the faithfill become stronger.....God has promised to protect His People (that doesnt mean anyone that calls themselves Christians) For example those that continue to follow a teaching that protects childmolesters & uses the funds to pay for defense lawyers will not find favor........When the time comes the church falls away fom the truth, its time to get out.....I see churches display a Nativity scenes on there lawn with 3 Kings at it......ITS A LIE....the Kings (MAGI) didnt arrive for 2 years after the birth of Jesus......a small lie to turn Gods sheep is an Abomination to God....False religion will fall it sez in REV......The churches are changing to allow those not wanted at one time to bring there money........Disfellowship is for a reason, it removes the bad apple for the truth......The asnwers are in the word......Dont allow yourself to feel compasion to many & mis-report Gods message....He Loves & He Forgives BUT HE ALSO HATES & will destray many in the end.
Your correct regarding the Heart.....It sez that all sin is removed at death...so your judged upon your heart & works on earth ..........BUT you are not able to avoid His requirements to salvation that are listed or at least be in the process of learning them & fulfilling them It is Written ~Jr_Senator | |
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| Are Christians the only ones going to Heaven???
Posted: 12/27/2007 4:29:23 AM | | Designerwomen.....The Jews Lost FAVOR in Gods eyes for there refusal to see the truth when Jesus was sent.....They feel a Messiah is still comeing to destroy the enemy.....The Messiah was already sent to talk about Love & they didnt like it...it is written ~Jr_Senator~ | |
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Ash_M
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| Are Christians the only ones going to Heaven???
Posted: 12/27/2007 6:26:44 AM |
The Jews Lost FAVOR in Gods eyes for there refusal to see the truth when Jesus was sent.....They feel a Messiah is still comeing to destroy the enemy.....The Messiah was already sent to talk about Love & they didnt like it...it is written ~Jr_Senator~ Yes, We can feel all that Christian Love just oozing out! Yet another Christian who talks love and spreads hate and intolerance. 
Don't you just admire these fine examples of outstanding Christianity, dripping with virtue and charity. 
Don't these Christians realize that God's promise is still there for the Jews. Do they really think God breaks His word so easily?
It makes me thankful to be Jewish, and not part of a religion that includes these lies.
~Jr_Senator~ is correct in some respects. There are places in the New Testament where it is written. These sections, mostly in John, were written in troubled times. None of us will ever know why John wrote as he did, many years after Jesus time. We do know that it was a time of war, and the Jews had lost and Rome had won. How much that influenced his writing no one knows.
But Rome is gone, the Jews survive, and people like ~Jr_Senator~ continue to spread their message of hate. Soon they too will be gone. And will be judged by the Eternal One. | |
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| Are Christians the only ones going to Heaven???
Posted: 12/27/2007 9:35:11 AM |
Yes, We can feel all that Christian Love just oozing out! Yet another Christian who talks love and spreads hate and intolerance.
Don't you just admire these fine examples of outstanding Christianity, dripping with virtue and charity.
Don't these Christians realize that God's promise is still there for the Jews. Do they really think God breaks His word so easily?
It makes me thankful to be Jewish, and not part of a religion that includes these lies.
What a fascinating example of "judging". Why do you identify him as "Christian"? His profile doesn't say he is. The postings I checked in his history seem off-base re core Christian beliefs. He seems to be a semi-religious fundamentalist judgemental person, but not a "Christian".
It seems to me that you identified him as such because YOU have a judgemental bias towards this group. And that is no different than Germans in the pre-war era who believed that "Jews" were "thieves" or " "liars" because they were Jews. | |
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| Are Christians the only ones going to Heaven???
Posted: 12/27/2007 10:23:13 AM |
he Old Test is no long for man today including the 10 Commandments.......The were the second written laws to exsist & given to man thu Moses...The first written laws were from Hamiruabie (sp)......they were for the Isrealites, not man today, those Jesus did tell of many of them again, but not all.
I disagree
God made a covenant with Israel... and he gave many signs that they were his chosen people... I do not believe that "god" goes back on his word. He doesn't like oathbreakers...at all.
If the laws are only for Israelites then WHICH laws was Jesus talking about when he said, "I come not to abolish the law, but to fulfill them"?
I think that is a pretty convenient way for some Christians to get out of the moral code in the Bible. It smacks of legalism. Loopholes. I seem to remember the Jewish Leaders doing the exact same thing...righteousness does not come from following the law.. it comes from UNDERSTANDING the law on a soul level and having it''s lessons change one's heart.
But obviously we aren't perfect either, nor can we be...however I do not think that once someone is aware of the law and intentionally breaks it that forgiveness comes with a blanket clause. The whole point I see from Jesus's words is that you will be judged on how you treat others, on how much love you really practice. If you clear up your wrongdoings with others and treat them as you would treat Him then you get the blessings (which you will already have by being loving...hahahaha). I just don't buy that it is "enough" to believe in Jesus... even he said many would call his name and he would say he never knew them. That's pretty clear to me...Jesus doesn't much like hypocrites. "As you have done to the LEAST of these (meaning other people) Ye have done unto me" Jesus came to illustrate that the whole of the law is based on LOVE. If you educate yourself of the mosaic laws you can clearly see, although you have to take into context the time and culture, that they are guidelines for treating others FAIRLY, and with concern for their well-being, and for keeping one's own conscience clean through self-responsibility. Let's remember that Jesus was a Jew... he never stopped being a Jew, he upheld the laws perfectly... ALL OF THEM (of course he had a deeper understanding of the laws than anyone else and wasn't confused by the "letter" of the law and the "spirit" of the law). Yet he had compassion and tolerance and acceptance for all. He hung out with the poor, the ill, the imprisoned, the despairing, the sinners and the gentiles, he partied with them, slept in their homes and accepted their hospitality with graciousness, the only thing he asked from anyone was to have faith that his ministering was already done for them, they had no need to beg.. the only harsh words he had were for the wealthy, the hypocrites, the egotistical, and those who took advantage of others or led others astray. He never pointed to himself.. but always to "God". He never claimed to be god either.. as a matter of fact he rebuked those who tried to "worship" him and redirected them back to the "Father".. He stated that the Jews would come first, and then the gentiles would also be accepted into "Israel".. so basically when you become a "christian" you become an honorary jew, and reap the benefits of the covenant between God and the Israelites.
It's really not all that complicated.
I really have nothing more to say about "Heaven" because I am not really sure what heaven is... it could be a state of existence, it could be a "place", it could be a lot of things.
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| Are Christians the only ones going to Heaven???
Posted: 12/27/2007 10:30:18 AM | Jr Senator, what a horribly racist thing to say. And, Jesus Himself was a Jew, so what you are saying is illogical as well as racist. AND to say such a thing refutes your own Christian faith because Christianity has roots in Judaism. If it weren't for the Jews we would not have Christianity today. Christ would be appalled to hear such a remark from someone who claims to follow Him.
One poster put it very nicely that all the different religions call God by different names but all believe in God. We are ALL God's children. NO ONE loses favor with God. A Higher Power created us, and we all belong back to Him as our ultimate destiny. God is a Being of Light so He wouldn't care if He was called She, Allah, Yahweh, or a million other names from the various religions of humanity. I use He because that's what I grew up with. But I also realize that God is Light and Love, not an exclusionary being that would condemn people. | |
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Ash_M
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| Are Christians the only ones going to Heaven???
Posted: 12/27/2007 1:03:15 PM |
What a fascinating example of "judging". Why do you identify him as "Christian"? His profile doesn't say he is. The postings I checked in his history seem off-base re core Christian beliefs. He seems to be a semi-religious fundamentalist judgemental person, but not a "Christian".
It seems to me that you identified him as such because YOU have a judgemental bias towards this group. And that is no different than Germans in the pre-war era who believed that "Jews" were "thieves" or " "liars" because they were Jews. I'd appreciate if you could avoid comparisons of my actions to those of the Germans. My actions are in no way comparable, and to say so is, in my opinion, a low blow.
Nevertheless, the general question you have is reasonable: How do I know that Jr_senator is a Christian in view of the fact that he puts dow "other religion" on his profile? In post 548 He posts the following:
Gods Laws of Christianty are recorded in the KING JAMES BIBLE if you wish to look....The Jews are no longer favored.......& there laws have been changed through Jesus as it tells....... Only those that Obey God is your answer Re: eternal life
~ Jr_Senator~ In post 550 He writes:
The Jews were who Murdered Jesus to protect there power with the King....They lost there favor before God, it is written.....
That sounds like a misguided Christian talking to me. Indeed he might be 'a semi-religious fundamentalist judgemental person, but not a "Christian".' In the sense that he does not represent mainstream Christian values.
Don't misunderstand, I'm not judging Christianity as a whole. You, for example, appear to represent some of the better parts of Christianity. And many of the fine people I have as friends, both here and in real life are Christian. So I am well aware that they are not all religious nuts.
But this guy is, and I judge him so. And I'm sorry to say, misguided or not, that whether or not you consider him Christian, I think he probably considers himself a fundamentalist Christian.
I'm sorry you feel this is judgmental on my part. I feel this is a reasonable, well considered position.
In some respects this is similar to the thread about Hitler being Christian. I feel that we don't always have to agree with what the people in our religions do, since all religions produce extremists from time to time. I think the thing for a reasonable person to do is condemn them, not claim they are someone else. But this is my opinion. Feel free to differ. | |
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| Are Christians the only ones going to Heaven???
Posted: 12/27/2007 5:26:42 PM | Ash M........You need a hug LOL.....if you see hate in anything I wrote your a troubled individual....The Gentiles were not allowed prior to the time of the new message to be saved, only those favored were (Jews) when they refused to accept the message from Jesus it is writtent hey lost favor in Gods eyes.....I am complately correct in all aspects.........As for the writtings of John, I would never be so bold as to think I know why John wrote whgat he did other then thu Gods devine guidence. As you have shown you dont read the threads, Take a rest next time I look up where I claimed to be Christian.......Your FOOLISH opinions are just that.....what isnt written , dont feel so powerful to think you knw all......The information I gave is written like it or not...To help you a litte more with you babble, the bible talks of those that believe & have never seen, but woe are those that dont believe & have seen (Jews).....Try reading the bible before you use it for an attack.....The Jews did the same thing...thy reated instead of listen
ASH M Quote: ~Jr_Senator~ is correct in some respects. There are places in the New Testament where it is written...... THANK YOU>>>I WAS CORRECT ~Jr_Senator~
duh!!!!! THATS WHAT I SAID | |
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Ash_M
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| Are Christians the only ones going to Heaven???
Posted: 12/28/2007 1:24:46 PM |
if you see hate in anything I wrote your a troubled individual No trouble. Sure I see hate everything you write, but I'm not troubled. Basically although romanticoptimist and I may differ on the details, we agree that you are a semi-religious fundamentalist judgemental person. Certainly not a good person. Basically a semi-religious nut. 
As romanticoptimist suggested, I've looked at your posts, and they do seem to be off-base with respect to both Christian beliefs, but any rational belief system. You appear to be selectively picking up mostly negative things. You're welcome to your world. The rest of us want no part of it, whatever it might be called. | |
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| Are Christians the only ones going to Heaven???
Posted: 12/28/2007 6:59:12 PM | My apology if the "German" comparison injured in any way. That wasn't the intent. The intent was to pick an extreme to drive home the point. Whenever anyone speaks of the whole, and judges it based on the few, they do a disservice to the whole (and themselves). In this case, his posts had indicated he was not a "Christian" in the proper sense of the word's usage*. My concern was that you held him up as an example. Why not hold him up as an example of a Religious Nutbar instead? :-)
*Whether he is or not is ultimately between him and God. His pukey anti-Semitic rants tell me that the Holy Spirit doesn't live in his horrible hate-filled heart. But I'm sure Jesus the Jew will have words for him if he'll listen.  | |
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Posted: 12/28/2007 7:40:49 PM | I Believe that our actions , deeds, living a righteous life, serving the lord and helping others and having a personal relationship with Christ is a basic for one to go to heaven. But only Christ will be the judge as to who goes to heaven.... who am I but a human trying to live as close as I can to his teachings and then I am not at all close to living in his ways... I am but a human with errors , weakness , temptations, who over comes each day by avoiding them and trying to be strong in his word.. asking for his forgiveness , strength, his grace , his blessing upon my family and others as well as myself. . Peace  Best thing to do is read your bible and ask God to guide you ... so that you made obtain understanding, wisdom, and knowledge in his word.... and grow in his love and you will grow to love him as will..
Christ was our example while on earth ...... | |
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Posted: 12/28/2007 8:45:59 PM | | Yeah... Jesus spread gods word, that was his task while on earth. He was a prophet (and not the only one). His words were powerful (for the time at least)... "be groovy to one another" wasn't heard much before Jesus. Remarkable Man!!! | |
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| Are Christians the only ones going to Heaven???
Posted: 12/28/2007 11:41:14 PM | .......ROMATIC --------...Your post is as foolish as your judgments.....You may look where ever you wish for answers you think will help your cause....but what i wrote is written in the bible you seem to have forgot about in your post.....You may not like the answers, but i didnt write the bible....Some think wish to white wash the truth as you....God has done many things thu time you may not like as sending an angel of death upon the children....but it is written....God has given man the choice to change, if he doesnt he will eliminate them. (THAT MEANS KILL)....I hope im not main stream since that is how you evaluate individuals who answer questions....
I will only use your alst comment to show you lack of accurate knowledge Quote: His pukey anti-Semitic rants tell me that the Holy Spirit doesn't live in his horrible hate-filled heart. But I'm sure Jesus the Jew will have words for him if he'll listen......
I am amazed you have special rights to judgements of the heart when it tells not to judge ones heart....READ the bible before you try to use it to make you look good...for you have failed....
Tell me your ve4se that say Jesus was a Jew...for he was born of the Father & thu the line of David by Mary.....To lose favor doesnt stop one form accepting the truth...you jump so fast you babble on things you have no knowledge of....Try Read the bible first......Blessing to all
Zoretta the soul dies EZEK 18:4 the spirit returns to God from where it come | |
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| Are Christians the only ones going to Heaven???
Posted: 12/29/2007 2:35:27 PM | Ravenstar......................God doesnt need to go back on his word...He fulfilled his laws when He sent His Son for everyone including the Gentile. Since the Gentile was NOT under the Old Covenants they didnt knw the laws...Jesus come to impose approx 600 laws of Gods will which included 2 of Love not seen before.....How can you fulfill a Law? He was explaining to them there not just erased...there are now ones.....The Nation of Isreal no longer offers sacrifies to God, (then a Requirment) The 10 Commandments were for the Isrealites leaving Roman law.....But if you believe to it today you must stone to death anyone that works on the sabbath.....the 10 are not for today, tho many were told in the new laws... The OT law re: pork is no longer a law, or the wearing of special garments into the temple required...All of them were fulfilled...
In order to allow the gentile or everyone in to the promise of Love & eternal life, the Old covenants were removed (fulfilled) so those that hadnt seen them wouldnt be violating God rules...Jesus brought a new start by fulfilling the Old Laws & stating all the laws for everyone...... it is written ~Jr_Senator~ | |
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| Are Christians the only ones going to Heaven???
Posted: 12/29/2007 2:42:15 PM | ....WOMAN............tho you appear to find the answers from God offensive, it is written......To think no lone loses favor, look at the flood, or City of Sodom....
God love is greater then anyone you can think of, BUT his wrath is just as mighty....To turn you head & bury it in the sand doesnt change the reality of his word.....He doesnt go by the feelings of those that like it to be another way....an easier way....not going to happen...If you accept the bible as Gods word you have to accept what it written....
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| Are Christians the only ones going to Heaven???
Posted: 12/29/2007 3:15:19 PM | | pssssst......here's a little secret. Hell doesn't exist. Satan is a contrivance of our own design........kinda like the big bad wolf only ........in red. Ain't that a hoot? Christians have an interesting mythology and heck I'm as big a fan of Jesus as the next person probably but.......what a mistake is it to take the function of mythology and use it to persecute people and elevate the ego. *shudder* What an utter waste of time...you're safe dear. It's literally allllll good........ | |
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| Are Christians the only ones going to Heaven???
Posted: 12/29/2007 4:17:00 PM |
.......ROMATIC --------...Your post is as foolish as your judgments.....
This is all the acclaim I need. I know that if some hate-filled anti-Semite like you thinks I'm "foolish" I'm acting wisely. Jesus (the JEW) is my Saviour. Peter, Paul, Matthew, and numerous other JEWS are my teachers of New Testament Doctrine and Theology. Moses, Abraham, Isaac, Isaiah, Jeremiah, David, and innumerable other JEWS are my source of wisdom and knowledge of God from before Jesus.
I'll make you a deal. You keep to your version of the Truth. I'll keep to mine. And we'll let God and His Son, Jesus the JEW, make the final call. What d'ya say? Deal? | |
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| Are Christians the only ones going to Heaven???
Posted: 12/29/2007 7:18:27 PM | teachpeace, VERY nice post. Thank you!! 
And romantic optimist--nicely said! Yes, Jesus and His disciples were all JEWS. Thank you for your very good rebuttal to some of the remarks on this thread. People seem to forget that without the Jews we would not have Christianity. | |
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| Are Christians the only ones going to Heaven???
Posted: 12/29/2007 8:46:01 PM | | ...>ROMATIC.......I would never deal with one that denys the Almighty God of Abraham....to speak foolish of things you have no knowledge is an example why the religions fall....I ask for a simple verse & you give nonsense....You can use all the smoke & mirros you wish, but you have to accurate knowledge.....Gods message is easy to learn.....try a study some day, instead of babble..... The truth will set you free is is written Now all you have to do is figure out free of what? ~Jr_Senator~ | |
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| Are Christians the only ones going to Heaven???
Posted: 12/30/2007 8:28:06 AM |
I would never deal with one that denys the Almighty God of Abraham.... Since you, Jr_senator, have already joined those who deny the Almighty God of Abraham, and speak foolish of things you have no knowledge, we all have seen your version of things.
The truth has apparently not set you free. You are an equal opportunity bigot. All religions appear to be your target, and so we join together to oppose this.
I feel that one can be both a believer and a respecter of other religions. You have consistently attacked people of faith, under the guise of being a religious person yourself. I think that no person has to be a particular religion, or be religious at all, but being respectful of one another required. Until you choose to do so, I disregard your opinions. | |
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| Are Christians the only ones going to Heaven???
Posted: 12/30/2007 11:17:07 AM | Luke 3:6
And all flesh shall see the salvation of God.’”
There is no exculsivity when it comes to how God respects His creation. All are equal in God's eyes. Seeing the salvation of God means that a person would have to see Christ. What happens when a person sees Christ? They become saved.
Isaiah 45:22
“ Look to Me, and be saved, All you ends of the earth! For I am God, and there is no other. | |
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| Are Christians the only ones going to Heaven???
Posted: 12/30/2007 12:11:21 PM | ~Jr_Senator~, Please add me to your list of "foolish" people who believe in tolerance and not hatred between people of faith. I proudly repudiate your nasty version of religion, and stand with Christians, Jews, other faiths, and those non-believers who are willing to be tolerant of those of us who are believers.
You, who seek to divide, and spread hate, will fail, as long as good people are willing to stand up and be counted! May I be be such a one! | |
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