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Ash_M
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| Are Christians the only ones going to Heaven???
Posted: 3/29/2008 7:53:14 AM |
the people that follow these religions & believe that their God, Allah, etc. is the ONE to follow...& they practice & follow their religion faithfully everyday Yes, but a lot of other religions do not believe that theirs is the only path to God, as many Christians do.
For example, Jewish people believe that you don't have to be Jewish to be "saved". Many religions are tolerant of other religions. | |
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| Are Christians the only ones going to Heaven???
Posted: 3/29/2008 8:24:10 AM | I just pissed off my very religious sister-in-law over this one! Someone we both know is in a coma and not responding to friends or family. So....she cannot possibly believe in God at this moment or have faith. If she is to die she cannot "change her mind" like all those pedaphiles, murders, rapists get to do before they needle gets in their arm......So she is going to Hell? Now the Christians veiw on this is "isnt what you do on Earth that gets ya in the pearly gates?"
So how does what you believe while you are ALIVE have any affect on St. Peter??
And what about the mentally impaired who cant grasp God, Religion or 2+2? Are they sinners? They way I see it, I was raised Catholic and have a rosary somewhere. I can pull it out at the final moment say an Our Father and just cover my a$$, I dont eat beef that often so I dont think I will come back as a roach and ashes to ashes means you should be cremated you fing hypocrites!! Why the fancy casket that I keep paying for!!!!!!!! | |
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| Are Christians the only ones going to Heaven???
Posted: 3/29/2008 8:37:58 AM | I just pissed off my very religious sister-in-law over this one! Someone we both know is in a coma and not responding to friends or family. So....she cannot possibly believe in God at this moment or have faith. If she is to die she cannot "change her mind" like all those pedaphiles, murders, rapists get to do before they needle gets in their arm......So she is going to Hell? Now the Christians veiw on this is "isnt what you do on Earth that gets ya in the pearly gates?"
No the christian view isn't that we earn our rights to be with God. It is the opposite.
So your friend in the coma has just as much right to be with God as anyone else does.
The christian trusts solely in what Christ has done on the cross for mankind's salvation, and not in anything man has done or can do.
Though many will claim to be christians and continue to deny this faith in Christ. | |
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| Are Christians the only ones going to Heaven???
Posted: 3/29/2008 10:12:40 AM |
Though many will claim to be christians and continue to deny this faith in Christ.
So let me get this straight, all you have to do earn your right to be "with god" (whatever that means) is have faith. Jesus has already done all of the hard work. If I were a fraudster, finding people gullible enough to believe that would be like my wildest dream! | |
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| Are Christians the only ones going to Heaven???
Posted: 3/29/2008 10:33:39 AM | So let me get this straight, all you have to do earn your right to be "with god" (whatever that means) is have faith. Jesus has already done all of the hard work. If I were a fraudster, finding people gullible enough to believe that would be like my wildest dream!
You haven't got it straight at all!
The reality is, all men are sinners, not one of us is any better or worse than the other in God's perceptions, though we as people will judge our fellow man, individually and differently through how we chose to make judgments.
Jesus died on the cross and saved all of mankind 2000 years ago. He became the judgment against sin, and God now judges all of mankind through Christ and the sin-offering He has made. What we do is irrelevant concerning this judgment upon sin that Christ became for us.
The huckster, needs a form of control in order to prey on the gullible.
How does the doctrine of faith have any ability to control anyone'? It is the law and rules of self righteousness that weild the power to control people. In that way fear and guilt can be implemented as weapons for the huckster.
But faith serves no fear or guilt, it serves up righteousness to the unrighteous. So as I see it, the control cannot be used because there is no fear or guilt that are the necessary ingredients for the recipe of control.
But if you see something that I have overlooked, please explain.... | |
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Ash_M
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| Are Christians the only ones going to Heaven???
Posted: 3/29/2008 12:27:17 PM | Not-for-You said:
I just pissed off my very religious sister-in-law over this one! Someone we both know.... etc.
Tsk tsk, you should control your anger.
To answer your questions:
If she is to die she cannot "change her mind" like all those pedaphiles, murders, rapists get to do before they needle gets in their arm......So she is going to Hell? Now the Christians veiw on this is "isnt what you do on Earth that gets ya in the pearly gates?"
Christians believe that God is both infinitely just and infinitely merciful. There is no magic formula that one can apply regarding whether an individual soul is bound for heaven or hell.
Speaking as a Catholic Christian, I would say that it may make no difference whether your friend was in a coma or not, regarding her unbelief. OR, she may very well be undergoing her own purgatory right now and be destined for the pearly gates when the last breath of life exits her body. But I can't judge or make a window into a person's soul, so I think arguing about it is moot.
So how does what you believe while you are ALIVE have any affect on St. Peter??
Different Christian denominations have different ideas about faith and good works, so you can't generalize. The average Protestant will tell you that people are saved by "faith alone". The average Catholic will tell you that people are saved by both faith and works. I believe the latter, and as the letter of St. James states, "see how a man is justified by his works and not by faith alone" (James 2:24) and likewise, that "faith without works is dead" (2:17). In other words, I believe that both are equally important, and as C.S. Lewis said, arguing about the importance of one over the other is like arguing which blade on a pair of scissors is more important.
And what about the mentally impaired who cant grasp God, Religion or 2+2? Are they sinners?
No. One cannot incur the penalty for sin without free will and conscience of it. This is a common sense answer. Again, different denominations will have different ideas about this, but as a Catholic, if I had a mentally handicapped person in my family, I would baptize him just like anyone else and rest in the reasonable hope that God has eternal salvation planned for him. Ha, I'd be much more worried about myself than him.
They way I see it, I was raised Catholic and have a rosary somewhere. I can pull it out at the final moment say an Our Father and just cover my a$$
If you raised Catholic properly, you certainly wouldn't think that would be good enough to cover your a$$. For one thing, a Catholic knows that God does not hear an "Our Father" more loudly when it's said from a rosary bead than without one. Beads and string of the rosary are not important and neither are the words of the prayers: it's the soul that prays them that's important. The soul which prays Our Father solely for the sake of "covering your a$$", but without true belief, sorrow and contrition, offers up a dead prayer which means nothing. Furthermore, the rosary does not properly refer to the string: it refers to the prayer of the Rosary, which are the 150 Ave Maria's (one for each of the 150 Psalms of the Old Testament) divided among the 15 Mysteries of the life of Christ.
To illustrate the point, there is a passage from Christ's Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 7) where Christ addresses that attitude directly: "Not every one that saith to me, 'Lord, Lord', shall enter into the kingdom of heaven: but he that doth the will of my Father who is in heaven, he shall enter into the kingdom of heaven. Many will say to me in that day: 'Lord, Lord, have not we prophesied in thy name, and cast out devils in thy name, and done many miracles in thy name?' And then will I profess unto them, 'I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity.'"
To wrap up there, there's nothing wrong with deathbed conversions or 11th-hour conversions, but I'd be loathe to associate the orthodox Catholic faith with that grade-school caricature of salvation that you described.
I dont eat beef that often so I dont think I will come back as a roach
Catholics don't believe in reincarnation, so that statement is moot.
ashes to ashes means you should be cremated you fing hypocrites!! Why the fancy casket that I keep paying for!!!!!!!!
If you don't believe in burial, then why are you paying for a casket in the first place? And a fancy one at that, rather than the economy one? That would make you, and only you, the hypocrite.
No, "ashes to ashes" does not mean that Christians should be cremated. For one thing, the phrase "Ashes to ashes" is not even used in the Bible or in any Catholic prayers. That phrase appears in the Church of England's and the Episcopal Church's Book of Common Prayer for its burial service (and yes, that's burial, not cremation).
The Catholic Church does allow for cremations for those who can't afford burial, and the Eucharistic chapel inside my parish church is surrounded by niches for people's ashes.
But the Catholic Church has always preferred burial because, as the Nicene Creed states, "I believe in the resurrection of the dead". A Catholic is traditionally buried in his finest clothes with his feet facing east: so that when Christ returns from the east at the Second Coming, the Catholic's soul will return to his body and rise from his grave to meet Christ face-to-face, dressed in his finest clothes (such as his wedding garments) already prepared for the marriage supper of the Lamb and His bride, the Church. While none of these are "necessary", they are still powerful symbols of faith. Furthermore, the Catholic Church inherited the burial customs of the Jews (among other persons, Christ was buried, not cremated). The Jewish and Christian custom of burial made those two groups somewhat counter-cultural in the Roman Empire, because it was popular among the pagans to burn the body. And for centuries, cremation was associated with heresy because the only groups who burned their bodies were sects which denied the resurrection of the dead.
At any rate, your claim of hypocrisy is false, and if you're still paying for your fancy casket, the only hypocrite in the room would probably be you. Have a good day. | |
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| Are Christians the only ones going to Heaven???
Posted: 3/29/2008 12:58:28 PM |
How does the doctrine of faith have any ability to control anyone'? It is the law and rules of self righteousness that weild the power to control people. In that way fear and guilt can be implemented as weapons for the huckster.
But faith serves no fear or guilt, it serves up righteousness to the unrighteous. So as I see it, the control cannot be used because there is no fear or guilt that are the necessary ingredients for the recipe of control.
Good God (irony intended), do you really believe that crap? The doctine of "faith" is the primary pre-requisite for suspension of the critical faculties. So important is the suspension of criticism to all churches, that it's indoctrinated into children of all religions at a very early age. I wonder how many Christians there would be if you introduced them to it age 18. Probably not very many. | |
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| Are Christians the only ones going to Heaven???
Posted: 3/29/2008 1:08:20 PM | jacobus 101
I must admit you certainly have an informed perspective on your catholic doctrine, Though I disagree with most of whay your theology consists of, i can certainly admire how you have dedicated yourself to the amount of study you have committed yourself to. The main thing that I see lacking is the understanding that God ;smercy always triumphs over His judgements. His judgments are made in order that God can reveal His mercy, and not that so we will remain under a judgment of guilt and sin.
1 Peter 4:6
For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to men in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit.
My theology instructs,....If we look at this verse, it describes an all inclusive judgment and an all inclusive demonstration of mercy. There is no legitimate exegesis for this verse, that suggests these 'dead', who are referred to in this passage, were given an opportunity to repent and make a descision for Christ. The gospel is not about a descision for Christ. The gospel is about God's revealing of His mercy in Christ. Faith is about a descision for Christ and is applicable only in this realm. | |
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| Are Christians the only ones going to Heaven???
Posted: 3/29/2008 1:12:00 PM |
I wonder how many Christians there would be if you introduced them to it age 18. Probably not very many.
I know a couple of them....me being one, I never heard the gospel or read a bible at all until I was at a bible study group in prison, and to be quite honest I didn't understand really anything that they were talking about....but that didn't stop the power of the Spirit from being manifested towards me and within me. And when that happened all doubt was automatically eliminated concerning whether Christ was alive and real or not. | |
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| Are Christians the only ones going to Heaven???
Posted: 3/29/2008 4:42:10 PM | Jacobus101-My sister and I disagree on alot of things. I feel it is wrong to pipe religious music through out your house 24/7 when you have a bunch a kids. They crave freedom!! Auntie changes the radio station!
As for the Christian beliefs, is it not true that if you do not believe in the Lord, Jesus or God you go to Hell? So on that note....my friend in a coma doesnt believe in her bladder at the moment! A severely handicapped child has no concept. I too was raised Catholic and before that "Original Sin" thingy was all a big mistake me and my youngins were baptized. Good thing I am saved:)
As for the casket, head stone looking at the dead while you eat cookies....I am just the simple executer of the will. My silly Catholic family insists on having their bodies rot away slowly not me!!! ASHES TO ASHES DUST TO DUST! My kids can keep my money not some funeral parlor, cemetary, beautician, mortician etc..........
Now tell Jesus to hurry up and come back my dog just died and I really miss her!! I buried her so I have my fingers crossed and she was a water dog....lets pray. | |
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| Are Christians the only ones going to Heaven???
Posted: 3/29/2008 5:21:47 PM | Not-for-You:
Jacobus101-My sister and I disagree on alot of things. I feel it is wrong to pipe religious music through out your house 24/7 when you have a bunch a kids. They crave freedom!! Auntie changes the radio station!
That's your prerogative, I suppose. I do the same thing: my mom is a Protestant and she always leaves the evangelical Protestant radio station on in the house. I turn it off when I get home. I prefer traditional religious music (Gregorian chant, Palestrina, de Victoria, Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, Schubert, etc.) any day.
As for the Christian beliefs, is it not true that if you do not believe in the Lord, Jesus or God you go to Hell? So on that note....my friend in a coma doesnt believe in her bladder at the moment!
I believe that's generally true, but when it comes to salvation, I don't put formulas to it. I believe God can save anyone He wills to save. If God wants to bring an atheist to heaven and condemn a believer such as myself to hell, that's entirely His prerogative. I don't believe that anyone can earn a "right" to heaven, anymore than an American citizen can earn a right to a room in the White House, simply by virtue of being a patriot. I believe that before Christ, everyone (including Old Testament saints such as Abraham, Moses, and David) went to hell. This does not mean that everyone suffered eternal fire, but merely that they did not earn the right to spend eternity in God's domain.
I too was raised Catholic and before that "Original Sin" thingy was all a big mistake me and my youngins were baptized. Good thing I am saved:)
Well, I was not raised Catholic. I taught myself, converted, and was baptized at 18. Don't worry, we Catholics still teach and believe in original sin. For some reason, a lot of people seem to think that last year, "the Vatican abolished limbo" or even "the Vatican overturned original sin". Which is, of course, a false media report since no doctrine of the Catholic faith has changed or can change (one reason why I converted to the Faith is the Faith's timelessness). Last year, the International Theological Commission issued a letter titled "The Hope of Salvation for Infants Who Die without Being Baptized" and simply affirmed the fact that the belief that "unbaptized infants go to limbo" has always been a theory, and that Catholics may rest in the hope that children who die without baptism can indeed be saved, if it's God's will.
Good thing I am saved:)
So, with what I said above, it should be stressed that Catholics do not believe they're "saved" and thus have license to do whatever they want. Catholics believe that salvation is a process that begins with baptism and doesn't end until the hour of death. It's like a marathon with many stages.
As for the casket, head stone looking at the dead while you eat cookies....I am just the simple executer of the will. My silly Catholic family insists on having their bodies rot away slowly not me!!! ASHES TO ASHES DUST TO DUST! My kids can keep my money not some funeral parlor, cemetary, beautician, mortician etc..........
Then let your kids keep your money. I'm not stopping you, and neither is the Catholic Church. I haven't even written a will for myself yet, although my priest knows what my death preferences are (burial). It won't be a financial strain on my family, because burial costs are covered in my insurance plan under the Knights of Columbus.
I don't think it's smart to call your own family "silly" on account of their beliefs on how to dispose of their bodies. Why not be respectful and tolerant instead?
Now tell Jesus to hurry up and come back my dog just died and I really miss her!! I buried her so I have my fingers crossed and she was a water dog....lets pray.
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| Are Christians the only ones going to Heaven???
Posted: 3/30/2008 12:07:21 AM | For any who are interested, this site provides many good articles and resources concerning the universal salvation of all of mankind....
Real Christianity is not a formula for escaping hell. That's what many Christians think it is, but they've missed the point.
The following formula IS NOT the faith of Jesus Christ:
1. All human beings are automatically destined for eternal hell; (unless)
2a. A child dies before reaching the "age of accountability" -- various ages proposed, idea disputed; (or)
2b. You accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, the atoning blood sacrifice for your sins; (and)
3. If 2b, choose from the list below... (better not make the wrong choice!)
Catholic: Go through the proper church rituals such as baptism, receiving the eucharist regularly, confession of all mortal sins to a priest and doing the prescribed pennance, accept the authority of the pope, never get divorced and remarry, etc. (or)
Evangelical Protestant: Repent of all sins, and believe important doctrines such as Christ's divinity, virgin birth, miracles, crucifixion, bodily resurrection, and future return; (and possibly)
+ Accept the Protestant canon Bible as the 100% inerrant and complete Word of God (and/or)
+ Believe in literal six-day creationism (and/or)
+ Believe in a "pre-trib," "mid-trib" or "post-trib" rapture -- get it right or be left behind (and/or)
+ Adult baptism by full-body immersion (and/or)
+ Church membership and tithing (and/or)
+ "Spiritual warfare" to keep demons away (and/or)
+ Celibacy if you're unmarried or homosexual (and/or)
+ Pentecostal: Show evidence of being baptized in the Holy Spirit, such as being knocked down when a minister lays on hands, speaking in tongues, gifts of prophesy, etc. (and/or)
+ "Word of Faith": Show evidence that God is answering prayers and working in your life, by being miraculously cured of diseases and addictions, achieving marital and financial success, etc.
Sadly, huge numbers of Christians believe in this formulaic view of Christianity. To them, the "Christian hope" means the chance to escape being endlessly burned alive by God -- a fate they expect most or all non-Christians to endure. The most extreme believers spend much of their time and energy promoting their particular spin on the formula, having the audacity to call it the "Good News" and harassing people to convert to their religion or else face an eternity of unimaginable suffering in hell.
What would Jesus think? Jesus probably would tell us we can take this hellish religious formula and throw it into the burning pit of Gehenna where it belongs, like so much garbage that is worthless for our salvation. Jesus would test our beliefs, putting them through the cleansing fire until only the good parts remain and the trash is reduced to ashes. Many Christians have gone astray from the truth about God, teaching bogus creeds that keep people in bondage -- just like the Pharisees of ancient Judaism. Jesus must be angry about this. He scolded the Pharisees for their fanatical and misguided religiosity, saying, "You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of Gehenna as you are." (Mat. 23:15). Jesus also went into the temple and overturned the money-changers' tables in disgust, defending his Heavenly Father's honor. Imagine what Jesus might say and do if he appeared in some churches today where an endless hell is preached!
Nevertheless, the idea of eternal damnation is a major part of the Gospel as taught by most Christian churches and denominations. It merits a serious examination. We should not merely turn aside, preferring not to ask the tough questions, nor should we be content to feel secure in whatever our personal beliefs may be at this time. Let us seek to determine, through logic and evidence, whether non-Christians and sinners are damned to a hell of eternal torment. Is this view of the Gospel scriptural? Is it rational? Is it beneficial? Or is this idea blasphemous? -- a false gospel proclaiming a satanic god?
http://www.christian-universalism.com/ | |
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| Are Christians the only ones going to Heaven???
Posted: 3/30/2008 12:56:10 PM | Jacobus101-the very sad real truth is when it comes to death families are not respectful! I do abide by their wishes and sit back while the axes fly by. Brothers and sisters turn on each other and families break apart. Live in your fairy tale world if you wish but death hurts survivors.
When I was 18 my girlfriend killed herself. Over a boy with pills...she changed her mind but it was to late. She was crying to her mom on the way to the hospital about how she didnt want to die....how it was dumb....how he wasnt worth it. It was too late. April 1 1989 she died at the age of 18 and her chair at graduation was empty. Now anyone who knew her knows she liked punk rock music (Violent Fems was her fav)wore black clothes etc and what did her Mom bury her in....A PINK CASKET!!! WITH ROSES!!! Tracy would be pissed! That was for Mom not Tracy. Mom hated black and punk rock! Now is Tracy in Hell?? We did have our First Holy Communion together!! | |
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| Are Christians the only ones going to Heaven???
Posted: 3/30/2008 6:40:20 PM | Not-for-You said:
Jacobus101-the very sad real truth is when it comes to death families are not respectful! I do abide by their wishes and sit back while the axes fly by. Brothers and sisters turn on each other and families break apart. Live in your fairy tale world if you wish but death hurts survivors.
I don't live in a fairy tale world. Being the only Catholic in my family, if I were to die now, I don't even know if any of my relatives would show up to my Requiem Mass. My friends would, but my mom (among other people) feels that the Catholic Mass is Satanic.
I know that funerals aren't perfect. But I'm only speaking to you. You should do your best to respect your family's funeral wishes, regardless of what your brothers and sisters do or think.
When I was 18 my girlfriend killed herself. Over a boy with pills...she changed her mind but it was to late. She was crying to her mom on the way to the hospital about how she didnt want to die....how it was dumb....how he wasnt worth it. It was too late. April 1 1989 she died at the age of 18 and her chair at graduation was empty. Now anyone who knew her knows she liked punk rock music (Violent Fems was her fav)wore black clothes etc and what did her Mom bury her in....A PINK CASKET!!! WITH ROSES!!! Tracy would be pissed! That was for Mom not Tracy. Mom hated black and punk rock! Now is Tracy in Hell?? We did have our First Holy Communion together!!
I wouldn't know if your friend is in hell or heaven, because (obviously) I don't have a crystal ball that'll look in there. As I said, I can't be sure of my own salvation, even if I died a "good Catholic" with final confession, Viaticum (final Communion) and the Last Rites. Salvation is an "executive decision" from God, not me.
But I think it's quite reasonable to hope that your friend is in heaven, or maybe purgatory (from whence she will enter into heaven after her penance is done). If you're concerned about it, you should pray for her soul. Or if you like, you can PM me and I'll have my priest offer up a Mass for the repose of her soul.
Oh, and:
Now anyone who knew her knows she liked punk rock music (Violent Fems was her fav)wore black clothes etc and what did her Mom bury her in....A PINK CASKET!!! WITH ROSES!!! Tracy would be pissed!
I would be too.
Just on a side-note, black is the official color of the Requiem Mass. A pink casket sounds almost sacrilegious.
The priest and deacons should wear elegant black vestments, and the coffin should be draped with black. Everyone in attendance should also wear black. Nowadays, a lot of priests like to wear white for the Requiem because it's "not as depressing", but if a priest acts according to tradition, he will wear black.
A picture of such a Requiem, for your reference: http://www.fssp.org/album/VS2007W/2007-01-09%20fssp%20requiem%20solennel%20de%20septieme%20jour%20abbe%20quoex%20074.jpg
Quite Gothic, eh? I've always held the belief that Catholics are naturally Goths. Our churches championed the Gothic architecture, and it was Catholic architects (like Augustus Pugin) who led the neo-Gothic revival in the 19th century. We like to wear robes, our priests wear black all day every day, we like to chant in Latin, and we like to meditate on dark subjects like the Four Last Things (death, judgment, heaven and hell). | |
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| Are Christians the only ones going to Heaven???
Posted: 3/30/2008 7:24:09 PM | consigliere31, the article you posted states:
Real Christianity is not a formula for escaping hell. That's what many Christians think it is, but they've missed the point.
The following formula IS NOT the faith of Jesus Christ:
I would respectfully disagree with the article, and I think that to present traditional Christianity as being only about formulas and 12-step procedures would be, as the article puts it, "missing the point".
It is quite possible for a traditional Christian to live a sacramental lifestyle (marked by Baptism, Confirmation, the Eucharist, Confession, etc.) in a very natural way (as it's supposed to be), without a checklist mentality. It's also quite possible to believe in hell and to deny the concept of "assurance of salvation" without spending all day sweating over the concept. In my case, I just prefer to say that I hope to be saved and I trust in the Divine Mercy (as the Divine Mercy painting says along the bottom, "Jesus, I trust in You"), and leave it at that. | |
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| Are Christians the only ones going to Heaven???
Posted: 3/31/2008 10:02:26 AM | | I don't believe anyone, Christian or otherwise, is guaranteed an entry ticket into heaven. It is interesting that in Buddhism, it can take many re-incarnations over countless aeons of time to be worthy enough to get into a heavenly realm, let alone the permanent bliss of nirvana, or union with the Absolute. I think most people will need to be purged of their flaws and the consequences of their sins (for those who have not sinned mortally) before getting into heaven. Some people who were saintly in their lives here will probably have an easy purgatory, while those who did a lot of wrongs but repented near death will have a lot to wear off. In a way life here is also a purgatory, a place where we struggle to better ourselves and not be crushed under our weaknesses and mistakes. I see what occurs after death as a continuation of how we lived this life, and the consequences there will be the fruits of our actions here. | |
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| Are Christians the only ones going to Heaven???
Posted: 4/24/2008 6:57:40 PM | But I want to know , we have God, the father.
Then we have Jesus, his son.
Mary, married to Joseph, the parents of Jesus.
Ummmmm who was married to God?
Did Jesus have two mothers?
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| Are Christians the only ones going to Heaven???
Posted: 4/24/2008 7:50:08 PM | piha:
But I want to know , we have God, the father.
Then we have Jesus, his son.
Mary, married to Joseph, the parents of Jesus.
Ummmmm who was married to God?
Did Jesus have two mothers?
as God Divorced?
My opinion is that God the Holy Ghost is spiritually espoused to the Virgin Mary. We Christians profess in the Apostles' Creed that God the Son (Jesus) was "conceived of the Holy Ghost, born of the Virgin Mary". So, in the spiritual sense, the Holy Ghost is married to Mary, and as Christ is our brother, Mary is our mother, the spiritual mother of all Christians. This is not to say, though, that Mary is equal to God, since she is still a created being, although one that has been greatly blessed and elevated in dignity by God. Does that make sense? | |
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| Are Christians the only ones going to Heaven???
Posted: 4/25/2008 9:03:45 AM |
But I want to know , we have God, the father.
Then we have Jesus, his son.
Mary, married to Joseph, the parents of Jesus.
Ummmmm who was married to God?
Did Jesus have two mothers?
as God Divorced?
I don't believe that Jesus is the Son of God in the literal meaning as suggesting a family arrangemnent, or then of course the question arises that you have asked....
Ummmmm who was married to God?
Did Jesus have two mothers?
The phrase 'Son of' is used as a title to signify that Jesus was 'of the order of'....the ancients often used this phrase to describe a likeness of being being simular.
1 Kings 20:35
By the word of the LORD one of the sons of the prophets said to his companion, "Strike me with your weapon," but the man refused.
In this verse the term 'sons of' is used to describe the same likeness of being and is not implying a family tree or geneology.
Nehemiah 12:28
And the sons of the singers gathered themselves together, both out of the plain country round about Jerusalem, and from the villages of Netophathi;
In the same way the phrase is used in this verse above....as well as the one to follow....
Ecclesiastes 2:8
I gathered me also silver and gold, and the peculiar treasure of kings and of the provinces: I gat me men singers and women singers, and the delights of the sons of men, as musical instruments, and that of all sorts.
So when it is said of Jesus that He is both the Son of Man and the Son of God, I believe that this is saying that Jesus is 'of the order of' man and also 'of the order of' God.
Understanding that God manifested both the Father and the Son into an assignment of roles for the purpose of His creation will help to understand the Trinity concept and where the Trinity doctrine came from.
As far as christians having Mary for a mother, this is a catholic creed and I don't agree that the scriptures teach this at all..
Galatians 4:26
But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother. | |
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Posted: 4/26/2008 9:57:22 PM | Again I say no way in the pit of Hades. God, our savoir (in the veiws of those that are devout believers which I am not) made mankind in his image making all alike his children under HIS own doctrine. It would be a tad hypocritical of our savoir to deny so yes? | |
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| Heaven???
Posted: 4/27/2008 1:36:05 AM | Short answer to this entire topic {I don't feel like whipping out a Bible and playing 'Scripture Tennis' with everyone here}: Yes, Christians {and some Jews that lived before Christ came to Earth} are the only ones that God {Jehovah} said will get to Heaven. If we choose to admit and omnipotent God exists, we must also admit he gets to make the rules, and that includes religion. Jesus says something to the effect of, "there is no other way, only my way or the highway" and that's the choice you get.
Short Response to the 5.9 Billion people who disagree: Don't like it? Fine. Don't agree? Fine. But the "Christians are the only ones who go to Heaven" argument has more than a little Biblical backing, so if you're going to believe in Jehovah, you kind of have to get in line with this. | |
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| Are Christians the only ones going to Heaven???
Posted: 4/27/2008 4:32:43 AM | Mentally impared you say.Well, I was in a coma for six weeks and a cotholicc priest read me my last rights. I immeadiatly woke up. I heard everything that was going on. I remembered everything that happened to me when I was in my coma. I totally believe in Christ. Had that priest not prayed a payer of faith as he did, maybe I wouldn't be here right now. J. E. S. U. S.  | |
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