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meln88
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Posted: 3/26/2005 12:12:59 AM | | Don't be too sure because the muslim God will take you to their Hell becuase you are not a muslim. Likewise the muslims will end up in christian Hell. Heaven will always be empty. | |
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Posted: 3/26/2005 8:47:36 AM | Meln88
hehehee. Muslims's God is the same God as te one and only God up there in the heavens. The reason they call it "Allah" is because that the word has only singular form and the plural form of that word doesn't exist in Arabic at all. On the other hand, God, the English word could be changed to "Gods, Goddess, god-father, god-mother" etc. Gotta do some research first. lol. Made me laugh. | |
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Posted: 3/28/2005 4:53:28 AM | I'm Christian and I'm going to hell.  | |
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meln88
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Joined: 9/16/2004
Msg: 54 | |
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Posted: 3/29/2005 7:12:34 PM | [hehehee. Muslims's God is the same God as te one and only God up there in the heavens. The reason they call it "Allah" is because that the word has only singular form and the plural form of that word doesn't exist in Arabic at all. On the other hand, God, the English word could be changed to "Gods, Goddess, god-father, god-mother" etc. Gotta do some research first. lol. Made me laugh.]
hohohohoh.....muslim God and christian God shared the same bed but made strange bed fellows. THe same God send different different messages to muslim and christian making the followers slaughter each other. You made me laugh rolling on belly....heheeeee... | |
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Joined: 3/26/2005
Msg: 55 | |
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Posted: 3/29/2005 8:40:29 PM | I'm christian,but have lost my faith somewhat,or should I say,lost my soul,anyways,GOD gave us all a choice and even the time to repente!
I always beleived that no one goes to hell,GOD forgives all,He don't care where you're from,what religion you preach ,what color you are or what nationality you come from,
He loves us all.He gives us peace and he pinishes the wicked! I did say punish,not sent to hell!
Anyone see "passion of the christ",Look at the sacrifce GOD made for us,his son Jesus,can you imagine his pain,to watch his son being tormeneted like that!Can You imagine being in pain like Jesus,and on his cross,prayed to the all mighty to please forgive the ones who tortured them,they know not what they do!
Hello,there's your first clue that there is no hell! Yes we will be punished for our sins if we don't repent,those who commit crime and murder will feel his fury,their souls will be lost forever,for they will never repent,not even in front of the lord! | |
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Posted: 3/30/2005 6:19:06 AM | | I believe that when God gave us freewill, it allowed us to punish ourselves. We create our own living hell. We have a choice to make every morning when we wake up. To be a good, decent, and respectful person, or to be selfish and hateful. The choice you make will determine how your day will turn out. | |
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Posted: 3/30/2005 8:53:01 AM | No one knows where anyone will go upon death or if death is an end in itself. I view myself as a strong Christian. By the same token, I realize I sin every day and do lots of things wrong. Will I go to the Christian heaven? I hope so, but sometimes I think to myself, the way I am, it isn't possible.
Frankly, and I know most Christians will disagree with me, I think everyone goes to the whatever afterdeath place they believe in. God (or whatever your name is for the supreme being that started it all) is all knowing and powerful. That being the case, He (or if you prefer It) will have places for all who are moral, love mankind, love Him (or It), and don't sin against his will, which is, basically, never to do harm to another human being and to love them, and to love the supreme being with all your heart. There are many mansions, and there is one for whatever your belief is.
Christians and non-Christians like to debate their beliefs. But folks, keep in mind, the Supreme Being gave us all free will. We can choose. The Supreme Being never intended us to know the difference between good and evil, because by not knowing, there would be no evil and all would be good as long as we retained belief in His goodness and followed the rules of non violence to each other. But since the knowledge between good and evil did occur, regardless of the story or myth you accept about it occurring, we have to contend with it. How we calm our evil down is a matter for each individual and his or her understanding of her or his supreme benefactor. | |
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Posted: 3/30/2005 1:53:23 PM | | Good post Ron!!!! Freewill is where it's at for me. I can appreciate that God gave it to me. Using it wisely has resulted in a rewarding life here and now. Having used it unwisely was not a very pleasant experience, but one that I learned a great deal from. Hope I never get so complacent that I forget any of it either!!! | |
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Posted: 3/30/2005 2:59:58 PM | | I guess this is for God to decide but what about all the people before Christianity though? straight to Hades for them??? and Ghandi? did he go to hell too. So while all you southern fried baptists sit on your mushrooms, condemm others and wait to be raptured, ill go out and provide some service. | |
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meln88
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Joined: 9/16/2004
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Posted: 3/30/2005 7:24:59 PM | | Belief in God comes from ignorant and fear. Wisdom is the only way to overcome ignorant and fear. Wisdom can be found inside our head and not outside what we see, think or believe. Here is the secret, to generate wisdom one must practise Vipassana (Insight) Meditation taught by the Buddha. | |
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Joined: 3/26/2005
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Posted: 3/30/2005 10:24:29 PM | Mel,I'm no preacher and I'm no saint,but let me tell you this,you can practice anything you want as often as you want,after all you're still on earth,when we die,God forgives our sins,and I'm no way nears ignorant,neither is anyone in these forums,not even you for that fact!
Ever watch"passion of christ",if not ,do so,if you did ,watch it again!It don't bloody matter what religion you live by,if this movie don't wake you up,nothing will!
I get furious when people say all these things,GOD is love,GOD is praise,only now am I waking up to this! The movie really made me look at myself more deeply! GOD made us all,gave us free will,what we do is up to us!
Don't you dare say ignorant in our face again!
Sorry,but I really get upset when people don't see the whole picture! | |
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Posted: 3/31/2005 9:46:58 AM | meln88
Make sure you don't fart while laughing that hard. lol. The message that was given to moses, Jesus mohammad were all the same message, the only difference is that the Old Testament and New were all written by Mathew, Mark, Luke and John, who played around with scriptures and added and took away parts of it, which explains the contradictions.
Good luck in your researching more and learning more.
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Posted: 3/31/2005 10:29:04 AM | | Good point "judge and jury".........I've heard several different theories about the "unsaved dead" before the ressurection of Jesus Christ. One of them is that since they didn't have the knowledge then they won't be judged by that standard. As far as Ghandi, there's no way that anyone will ever convince me that he's not been rewarded by God for his good works during his time on earth. | |
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Posted: 4/1/2005 8:36:30 PM | | no | |
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Posted: 4/21/2005 10:15:22 PM | | I find it interesting that Christians believe that they are the only ones going to heaven. They have accepted the Torah (Old Testament for you non-Jews out there) as part of their bible and in it, it clearly states, that us Jews are G-d's chosen people, yet christians ignore their religious "elder brothers" and have just taken our book. As a Jew I'm insulted. | |
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Posted: 4/22/2005 4:53:59 PM | that us Jews are G-d's chosen people, yet christians ignore their religious "elder brothers" and have just taken our book. As a Jew I'm insulted.
Umm Moses, Isaiah, David, Abraham, Daniel, etc were all Jews and all Christians know that these Jews will be in heaven. It's fairly straight forward that other Jews than these will be in heaven. There will be non-christians (i.e those who havn't heard the word and whose heart is right with God) in heaven to. The word "Christians" should be changed to belivers.
In these end times those who will find their way to heaven are those
“which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ” Rev 12:17 | |
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Posted: 4/22/2005 7:53:31 PM | | Some people go to Heaven, some Paradise Earth (Psalm 37:11"the meek will inherit the Earth and live there forever"), some will simply be destroyed. Hell is simply a bad translation of Sheol, which is the common grave of mankind. After the final judgement, all who are not judged worthy of life, will be cast in the lake of fire.(Rev 20:14: this means the second death) There is no pain in death.(John 11:13) All who are resurrected will be judged not on what they did in life, because death pays the price for sin (Rom 6:23: "the wages of sin is death"), but the will be judged on whether they can live under Christ's Kingship in the Kingdom. Only people in Heaven will be kings and preists. (Rev 1:6) | |
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| Are Christians the only ones going to Heaven???
Posted: 4/23/2005 4:00:18 PM | the bible says those written in the Lambs book of life are the ones going to be there.
abraham , issac and jacob wheren't quote unquote christians but they will be there as will david, samuel, and many others from the old testament. the name christian is only one name God and men have called Gods people.
and not all who are called by any of those names actually lived what the name represented.
all those who live Godly, call on the Lord out of a pure heart, the rightous, the faithful , the true, those overcoming by the blood of the Lamb, by the word of their testamony , and not loving their life unto death.
may we work out our salvation with fear and trembling as the bible calls us to. | |
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| Are Christians the only ones going to Heaven???
Posted: 4/26/2005 7:12:49 AM | | Don't forget what is written in the Holy Bible about the parable of the "sheep and the goats". Jesus's very words. Was that written for people who claim to be "Christians"? All talk and no walk?? | |
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| Are Christians the only ones going to Heaven???
Posted: 4/27/2005 5:36:10 PM | simple theory here. king soloman is a example of wisdom, even in all his wisdom he could find only vanity outright says that in the bible. punishment for sin is death says christ. The grace of god is ever lasting life. Everyone says christ died on the cross for ours sins. I think christ died as soon as he was concieved and set free on the cross and left the sins of the world behind on the cross where it will stay. Am I worried about going to hell, not one single bit. Let me ask which is a more scary thought, having a arm cut off our actually ceasing to exist every again? Plus what is hell, it is a english only translation for the words hades, and sheuol which has been used interchangable in the english version of the bible, because there wasn't (maybe still not a english word) for sheuol and hades. Both of which in the greek language means a holding place, a place of lifelessness or a grave.
which would have a more profound effect of teaching love, then dying and then given life again, or well never really dying and going to hell. Wouldn't god make the better choice and pick the latter? If not he would really be love now then would he?
Which is better, to live in a sinless world or live and sin see how it hurts and learn from it. Wouldn't a sinless life be vague of meaning because you didn't know how to choose but was forced into a 100% life of love or to work on your flaws and earn that 100% life of love aventually.
After all adam and eve didn't know they did wrong until it was to late. A wrong is a wrong no matter how big or small it is. Thus the statment from eve, "The serpant decieved me" Plus you can qoute christ on saying "the creation was subject to vanity; not willingly, but for reason by him" so we were allowed to be decieved or taste evil for the sake of freewill so that we can choose to do right aventually and it'll have meaning behind it, or have forced life of doing by right and no meaning behind it. if you were god which would be the better choice?
PS. I find the passion of christ somewhat on topic but very objectional. A point to ponder with that movie, christ being god in flesh form or perfection in a human, either way. Why would he be scared at the events about to unfold, doesn't god say fear is the product of evil? or fear is not from love/god christ being perfect......
one last thing, god outright says he is not of this world too, but this world belongs to satan. god is the creator. so he had to of had created satan then put him in charge of the the world. (for a little while, i have set man lower than the angels) <-- not a exact qoute. Everyone thinks they are so innocent, paying tax, interest and heck even working for a profit. ahh if you been paid you sinned. drink caffee you sin, get angry you sinned, were subject to obey our own laws too, doing 56 miles or km's in a 55 zone is a sin too. raising your voice to a disobient child counts too. smoking drinking, even caffience is self indulgence in a mind influencing subject. there's a sin.
Like king solomon said the wisest man ever. live life take pride and enjoy it, cause there isn't anyting more for us. Till god says it's time to live again for real. Have fun, life life and enjoy it the best you can and try to help out once in a while and don't worry about death. or the afterlife it'll come I really don't think it will be bad at all. But rather good and happy after I kick off. | |
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b0unc3
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Joined: 2/13/2005
Msg: 74 | |
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Posted: 7/17/2006 4:08:35 PM | I know this is an old topic... But I gotta few points to share with you in love an meekness..if you will
If you have read any of the old testament.. you probably know of the TEN commandments.. which was brought to us By GoD through moses .. who had brought them to the Jews
In that a covenant between GOD and man was made.. were if we obeyed GOD and his statutes ..he would bring forth blessing and would not bring his wrath upon those who followed him... On the other hand.. They just as we do now.. have a serious problem.. disobiedience...
Yes GOD IS perfect.. without sin... though man is created is his image.. We throughout history have grown to become disobiedient to laws and breakers of the perfect law of GOD..
So Man has a sin problem.. which the only way for sin to be taken away is by bloodshed..
For the wages of sin is death..YOU CAN READ below from NIV BIBLE (ROMAN 5:12-14 )
THefore just as sin enter the world through one man,, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men..because all sinned--for before the law was given , sin was in the world. But sin is not taken into account when there is no law..Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of MOSES, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did ADAM, who was a pattern of the one to come..
YOU can continue reading untill verse 20, and that pretty much sums it up
THIS was talking of ADAM in the famous garden of EDEN... and JESUS THE SON OF GOD.. who was falsly accused of blaspheming the name of GOD..by saying he was the son of GOD
He proved that he was by his miracles.. one of them showing his power to forgive sins..LUKE 18-26
He was sent for our transgressions.. stepping down from Deity and becoming as one of us.., to shed blood for the sins of the world...Never has a human gone without sin untill the birth of Jesus who was concieved by the spirit of GOD.. not a human father, as you and I were .. but a heavenly father..---JOHN 7:32---. and only set to do his father's will and completed covenant and brought a new covenant.. SALVATION through his son.. who knew no sin of his own...and died the death of you me and anyone who obeys his new testament...ACTS 2:38
I JOHN 6:25-29
please read these versus they will help you if you need understanding
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