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| | Astrology-i'm confused.Page 3 of 5 (1, 2, 3, 4, 5) | Another talkative Gemini here....jumping in...Let's face it folks Astrology is just one more choice in the OCEAN of "explanations" as to why people are the way they are! Depending on who you listen to, the explanations range from "it's all in the DNA" (Nature) to birth order, childhood experiences and how your mother screwed you up! (Nurture) Will we EVER find the ultimate definitve answer? Probably not....but hey, what else do intelligent mammals such as ourselves have to do with an average of 60-80 years of our time, but figure our own selves out?!?!? Good topic, Mudbug! | |
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Posted: 3/17/2005 1:56:01 PM | lol stang...it means my sun sign (my true self) is libra. my rising sign (my social mask..how people perceive me at first impressions or in social settings) is cancer.
in other words...i'm a moody, nurturing, diplomatic, natural hostess | |
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Posted: 3/17/2005 3:50:10 PM | I'm pretty true to the Leo steroetype myself.
I probably learned it long ago and found it my duty to "become".
I'm proud to be a lion. :D
And the sun as your star? AWESOME!!! | |
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Posted: 3/17/2005 4:25:28 PM | I'm a gemini too, mudbug....(WOW, both southern liberals, agnostics AND geminis...how'd that happen) really annoys me that all the descriptions for geminis refer to us as shallow and superficial.....and two-faced of course.
I have my share of duality, but it's nothing I consider negative....just means that I'm multi-faceted. :D I only read them for fun upon occasion, I don't believe that anyone can tell who I am from my birthday any more than the can tell things about me from the numerology of my name.....all BS in my opinion. | |
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Posted: 3/17/2005 5:20:57 PM | ok ....to take a bunch of human characteristics and divi them up, then label with them with , Pisces, Virgo, Leo etc .... is fine and dandy, you could label them Jack, Spot and Buster for all intensive purposes, yes I'm a Buster, so what? lets go as far as looking at the heavenly bodies, the constelations and divi it up into a neat 360 degree circle with, omg, 12 division, oddy strange eh.... thats fine .... no arguments over what a bunch of character traits are labeled ... but ..... BUT ... to have some one tell me that the position of Uranus, my anus, or someone's anus at the time of my birth, stretched a few pairs of chromosomes one way or another to give me my sparkling personality an added boost, to make me so sensitive as to when that witch Oprah comes on , I break down and cry, is just a load of mule fritters.
I think i'll go back to carving up some crop circles ........... | |
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mudbug
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| Astrology-i'm confused.
Posted: 3/17/2005 9:58:52 PM | mule fritters. lol.
pandora you wern't adopted, were you? lol
duality is a much more true description of me, rather than split-personalities...
my ex might not agree....but ah well.
wow all these geminis finding their way on this thread.......weird...
on another note,if anyone (ahem AGSTANG) starts joking about pimples rising over uranus i'm jsut gonna be sick.  | |
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Posted: 3/17/2005 10:27:56 PM | | ok, lets leave that much maligned pronounciation of Uranus alone ... it's actually pronounced ...... Your-ah-nus ... not Your-ay-nus ..... | |
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Posted: 3/17/2005 11:28:56 PM | | Gemini is one of the smartest of all Astrology signs.....even a Libra has been Known to keep up once in a while............................................................"Once in while"!!!!!! | |
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Posted: 3/18/2005 2:14:12 AM | I believe that Astrology is for entertainment purposes only. I believe this for many reasons such as:
1) I have taken my natal chart and analysis and given it to a random selection of 14 people and presented it as THEIR natal chart and analysis. I told them it was prepared by a certified astrologer. I then asked them how accurately it described them. They all said it was better than 90%...and their birthdays were all different.
2) I am also familiar with Chinese astrology. It gives different answers than the Western astrology. If they are really based on some fundamental truth, wouldn't they both give the SAME answers???
3) Try this experiment for a week. Find a very cooperative friend who will send you all twelve horoscopes for each day but will REMOVE any reference to which sign each horoscope was for. Now, you have to figure out which of the twelve horoscopes is YOURS based on how accurately it describes your day. If these things are truly accurate, you should be able to recognize your horoscope instantly. I betcha you won't do better than chance!
4) I see no reason why your entire personality and life should be determined by the date and time of your birth. There are so many other factors (genetics, family environment, social environment, pollutants, etc) that play a role. | |
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Posted: 3/18/2005 8:56:21 AM |
I see no reason why your entire personality and life should be determined by the date and time of your birth. There are so many other factors (genetics, family environment, social environment, pollutants, etc) that play a role.
I imagine an astrologer would say in defense: but it's the stars that determines these genetic/environment/nature-nurture factors!!!!!!!!! Hahaha...sorry if a non-astrologer said this first...but I'd still like to ask - how. | |
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Posted: 3/19/2005 8:48:29 AM | I don't believe in astrology plain and simple. But I like the novelty. I like saying, "I'm a Gemini." It sounds cool. Gemini, Gemini, Gemini....so cool, it was part of the space program. (After all, would anyone send up a rocket called Cancer?)
I also like reading the place mats at chinese restaurants. I'm was born the years of the****(rooster if ya can't read beyond the asterisks). Say it with me...************ They don't need to send up a rocket called****because they don't have to. It's a phallic symbol in itself, thrusting upward into the sky with a mighty force, penetrating the atmosphere...oh, baby... oh, yeah... heavenly bodies...mmmmm
Where was I? Oh, yeah... Gemini.... | |
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Posted: 3/20/2005 7:23:24 AM | Well, I've been extremely busy this past week, and will come back to elaborate more on the Celestials' influence on our chemical make-up (espicially the brain) - Glad to hear you do know Einstein...and perhaps Hawkins...
Also, I will start explaining the timeline and its predictablility and the paradoxes involved with this. We must remember that we (the adept) have been studying this for tens of thousands of years - unlike history would like to admit us. So I will return later this week with another long-a$$ed post.
Till then, try to find when the first signs of this topic through history, and, why do you reach this date?
Be back later  | |
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Posted: 3/21/2005 8:27:57 PM | | Hey there - my son is an astrologer in Key west and Asheville, NC been doing this for quite a few years after quitting the Air Force Academy and he is good. You can email him and he will give you a simple explanation without having to get a chart done - he loves a good discussion - go to www.astrofantasy.com | |
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Posted: 3/25/2005 8:11:18 AM | I know that the original interests of this post may have passed, but I promised to explain a bit more on the timeline and its predictabilty, so here I am, writing yet again to keep my word. First off, realise that if you beleived, I would explain differently and since many don't, I will try to use term which you all can either look up or understand.
Timelines and the Inevitable
Scientists often get lost in the facts and sometimes forget to look past them into the realm of what actually founds their scientific ways - the theories. Einstein's theory of relativity suggests that perception of time can be altered by which speed one travels at. What of the speed of our molecules? Would they not change as well in this "faster than the speed of light" scenario. What of its antithesis? The perception of time must be reversed as well. On one end of the spectrum, time seems still, while on the other end, time seems incredibly hasted; while the middle is probably where we would place ourselves, and our perception in. There can not be one without its antithesis, as the design of nature suggests, or scales are tipped and an unbalance is created. Would the hundred and eleven year old man see time differently than the teenager? Would the tree see it differently than the sprout. What of the rock and the soil? Timelines are as predetermined as the molecular make-up of any object. Through interference, a molecular composition can be altered slightly, as well a timeline be slightly altered. You can alter an orange to produce no seeds, but we must alter it ever so slightly so it remains and orange. The same is of a timeline; you can alter it ever so slightly but the inevitability of all major aspects of the line remain otherwise the life is destroyed, nulled, or ruined. This is what astrology dwells on - the inevitable. This is the unchangeable aspect of it, and on the other end, its focus is on the changeability of the timeline.
Astrology, as well as numerology for they go hand in hand, is based on scientific observations over the course of over twenty thousand years. If you doubt these numbers, ask any historian/archeologist when the great menhirs where placed in Europe and what their purpose were. Ask them when the Pyramids in Egypt, The Dragon Temple, and the Mayan Pyramids were built; and mostly, when they were built for, according to the celstials above. They (our past) had the knowledge of much more we acredit them for. Precession, the Chandler wobble, the revolving of the planets and not them to us. This knowledge was then lost through the Dark Ages - but Christianity is another subject, so I will not dwell on this long today... They pyramds and the Dragon Temple in Asia were both built for 12,500 years ago. To actually have the knowledge of precesion indicate that they knew of its twenty some thousand year cycles, and to have knowledge of this enough to understand the very math of this, indiciates that maybe even they'd known about astronomy 40,000 or 80,000 years ago. None-the-less it HAS been studied and observed for around 20,000 years, and with these observations, they've come to make more rational conclusions than modern science. You must remember that science has only observed for a few hundred years and in great detail, a few decades... Image science twenty thousand years from now if it remains evolving as it does today. Would the fundamentals being discovered be basis of minor facts? Of course, or it would get disproved. This is what astrology has tought our ancestors. Both mine and yours - no matter where you come from. The Dark Ages made sure this common knowledge would become mystified and almost banned, and thus we no longer was it held as common knowledge - only a few of us remained, like my ancestry and family.
If one cannot either understand or beleive energy flows and fields, little hope is mine of convincing them of their existance, but if you look up on the hypothesis of string theory, it will show you that the knowledge of yore is slowly being restored, and explained. String theory suggest that all is connected through the most minuscule of enregy waves - as I explained briefly in my last outrageous post... I still have my wry sense of humour within the seriousness! Good sign!
So not to linger to long, according Einstein's theory of relativeity, which hints at the possibility of observing time at different speeds - both fast or slow - we must realise that time is as material a thing as all matter. With this realisation we can begin to understand the timeline. All matter can be altered through different energy waves, or string frequency if you will, and as explained in the earlier post all planets and moons emit their own frequency - because thay are the largest objects to our proximity. By their frequency being stronger or weaker, it has been observed over thousands of years that events here on Earth changed and certain people changed more drastically on certain times than others; and through many more thousands of years, was understood enough to see its patterns and predictability. Thus: the true birth of both astronomy and astrology. The astrology we see in our faces on tv is not quite the same, and not quite as precise...
Well that's it for now, and if it weren't enough, let me know where I lost some of you - if it still racks your mind as how astrology could be...
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Posted: 3/25/2005 9:54:08 AM | And you thought Ted Kaczynski only wrote about the demise of society due to the industrial movement.
Who knew? | |
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Posted: 3/25/2005 2:19:45 PM | | Many thanks for the humorous posts folks. Maybe the tides and season affect our mothers and us, who knows. All I know is that if it doesn't hurt me I will not ridicule it. Only problem is that Nancy Reagen did Ronny's schedule according to the Zodiac. Now that is scary folks. Have fun, but have your own life, not somebody else's idea of what it should be. | |
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Posted: 5/15/2005 10:05:59 AM | You want to try Indian astrology.That is based on the moon sign rather than the sun signs.I used to be quite dubious and wary too but i have changed my mind.
Its based also on the exact time,place and date of birth.According to the "pundits" its about 90-95% accurate in GENERAL LIFE TRENDS.
They prefer that you dont live by the chart as it were.Indians(Hindus) tend to consult the "pundit" for any given special occasion.
They tend to have a chart made up at birth which is also the birth certificate.Birth certificates as the west knows it are unknown in India. | |
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Posted: 7/11/2005 4:53:02 PM | | Mudbug, the astrology system is part of this world system talked about in the Bible, it is part of the occult, like Witchcraft, palmistry, fortune telling, Edgar Cayce, New Age, etc. Bible says to stay away form it. Occult involvement has led to the taking over of a person by the Demonic, look at the movie, Exorcist. | |
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Posted: 10/14/2005 11:33:53 AM | GEMINI only need apply.....
I should apply to have this thread's name changed.....
I've been a serious student of astrology for about 5 years. I was asked "what sign are you?" and scoffed "Gemini, I guess". That girl told me things that could not have possibly been known to her, having just met me. I bought a book on Geminis, just to disprove her, so I could go back to my happy little bubble, but that book was right. And the next. And the next.... and... and.... and......
I can't look away! The rabbit hole keeps getting deeper! I'm not the flaky kind either. I took electrical engineering in university. I build houses now. I program computers. I can't read Shakespeare. I am left-brained to a fault. I was a HARDCORE athiest before all this astrology mumbo-jumbo changed my life. I now can take someone's birthday and tell them of breakups in their past, major moves, sensitive areas on their bodies, relationships to their mothers, etc, etc.
If anyone has the guts, post your birthday here, with time and place, and I'll tell you some stuff that will blow your closed little mind!
I am %100 sure that astrology has merit. Maybe our current system has some limitations, but we're onto something. Medicine is a Trillion dollar industry, but who would argue that pumping our kids full of Prozak is the way to go? Seems like that system is a lot of mumbo-jumbo, don'cha think?
I fit my astrological chart perfectly, and so does every person whose chart I've interpreted.
We don't just have a "sign". We have 11, not including the minor ones.
Don't even get me started on numerology either......
(a gemini trick of reverse psychology.....)
 If only I wasn't born on a full moon in the year of the fire dragon!!!!!
Grrrrrrr......
Trevor | |
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Posted: 10/15/2005 10:27:47 AM | Hey, all:
I have said this before on several threads which deal with astrology, and it is simple.
Astrology is a joke, a simpleton's parlor game from 3000 years ago. There is NO basis in fact. NONE!! It is wishful thinking. It is artificial, phony, contrived, shallow, immature and based on ignorance. It was invented by people with NO understanding of the planets, moon and sun. AIRPLANES flying over you at the moment you are born have more effect on you than any planet. A better sign is the name tag on the ob/gyn who delivered you.
Astrology and astronomy are completely different. Astrology did not "found" astronomy. ASK any serious astronomer and they will tell you astrology is a joke. Astonomers are insulted by the association with astrology.
Astrology puts up artificial barrriers between people and causes unfounded, erroneous, false expectations.
DON'T be confused. GET OVER IT!
David
"The fault, dear Brutus, is not our stars but in ourselves." | |
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Posted: 10/15/2005 2:21:34 PM | SOTEXGUY:
In your own profile, you describe yourself as:
>>Confident, independent, opinionated, intelligent, passionate, vocal, loving, affectionate,
>>caring, considerate, romantic, involved, fun, witty, perennial child, loving, honest,
Google "leo keyword": first two hits say:
magnanimous, generous, *creative, enthusiastic, a good organizer, expansive, sense of drama.*dogmatic, *bullying, *pompous, snobbish, *intolerant, *fixed in opinions, *patronizing, power-mad, *conceited, prideful. *Expressive, *demonstrative, engulfing, *proud, *sensual, *adoring, control, egotistical,
I've highlighted the ones I see so far in you, from this forum and reading your profile.
You could say "well, that applies to everybody".
Ok, where is "shy, introverted, worrier, flexible, humble, greedy, spiteful, erratic, cold, impersonal, "?
Surely a few of those would apply to you, right? I doubt they do!
All I'm saying, is "look at the statistics". I came to astrology from a left-brained perspective, much like yourself. Only, being a Gemini, I am much more flexible than you. I am about 95% sure that you're not going to change your opinion anyway, since I know that 57 year-old leos are not the best candidates for changing their world view. Oh well, give it 6 1/4 years.... you'll understand.......
From your own profile:
>Regarding astrology, at the risk of sounding harsh, if you ask me "What's your sign?", I might
>say "It's 'Go Away'".
Are you here just to bully the believers? Or is it a morbid fascination? Go away? Stay and bully? Hmmmmm.....
I must say I admire your lifestyle, though. Living off the grid, on an acreage.... Would love that myself, if they could pump my high speed internet connection to the country.
Keep an open mind! The truth will set you free!
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Posted: 10/15/2005 3:55:59 PM | | I took Astronomy for a short while in college, and my professor had an interesting take on things...the astrological tables, formulated thousands of years ago, have never changed. But the positions of the stars have. Hence, Scorpio could be Sagittarius, etc. Another interesting tidbit was a study which I read about in which a classroom of 30 people were were given a list of traits of their respective signs, and then asked to rate its accuracy. In 90 percent of the cases, they rated the lists extremely accurate. At the conclusion of the study, they were asked to pass their respective lists to the person behind them. They all found that they had been given the exact same lists. I suppose it comes down to how bad you want to believe in something, given the fact that we really don't know anything. You can read any ambiguous horoscope, and find some way to wrap your mind the vague generalizations offered, and make them fit your situation. But what the hell do I know? I'm a Scorpio, and if they say that Scorps are the most sexual (which is why the sign is associated with the genitalia), I ain't gonna argue. (p.s., if you're a Gemeni or Pisces female in Houston, call me, we'll talk it over.) | |
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luvjoy
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| Astrology-i'm confused.
Posted: 10/15/2005 4:48:45 PM | | Hello..Just to throw my hat in the ring, Go to astrodienst.com and have a chart done on yourself. All you need is your birthdate, birth time and birth city. You might be pleasantly suprised at what you find out about yourself. If not, no problem~ | |
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