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Posted: 12/3/2008 8:52:26 AM |
bcs is set up to match #1 vs #2
It's supposed to , but seems it rarely does. Besides, the BCS uses polls, computer rankings, witchcraft and other hokum that doesn't mean shizzle.
please if u are going to respond atleast keep the topic in modern years,who know like we where acutally alive!!!!!!
Sure, if you promise not to use the term 'never'......Anyway, my post of split national titles, voted by pollsters proves my point that polls are biased, meaningless,BS. Settle it on the field.......
Now, how to have the playoff; the conference champions will be your playoff participants. Easy.
its a sad down for the rest of the country when the sec is having a down year and they still walk away with the championship
No, it just shows the bias for the SEC. Losing, at home, to Ol Miss should preclude Florida from being in the championship, period.
Another built in bias, those who lose early (like florida) have an advantage over teams with equal win-loss records that lose late. | |
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Posted: 12/5/2008 9:33:36 AM | Now, how to have the playoff; the conference champions will be your playoff participants. Easy.
really u think thats the best way, so u think that cinncy is better then texas or texas tech and u think that either b.c or virgina tech are also. my guess is that u dont think that any of them 3 schools are better then texas or tech, so even with your easy soultion for the playoff, you arent even putting in the best teams yourself, so u pound the drum on how bad the bcs sucks, then add your own flawed soultion.i do agree with a point you made , when u lose should not matter, that is crap it shouldnt matter when but to who. also ole miss is a ranked team, they are a above avg. team, not a great team but a pretty good team. so if and thats a big if, but lets just say for the fun of it, mizzou knocks off oklahoma, and texas gets in the championship game are u then going to turn your bias card towards the big12? i know i said that i think the gators are going to win, but lets say the tide win, are u going to be happy then? that a unbeaten sec school gets in or are u going to still have a problem, let me guess even if the tide go undefeated it will still be bias? u will always have a problem getting the teams right even in your beloved playoff system when you are playing against uneven compettion, its asking alot of o.u , texas or tech to go through that big 12 season or alabama to get through the sec sch. compared to say usc in the pac10 or penn state in the big 10.last thing you posted that stat that the sec is 18 and 31 against ranked teams, i like how u leave out the fact that against the gators and the tide along the are 1 and 17, point being is that when u have 2 ranked teams from week 1 on, that doesnt lose any ( except 1) conference game you will end up with lopesided stats like the meaning less one that u tried to sneek in, to point out meaningless that is, i think we both agree that the big 12 was the best conf. this year? well the big12 record against ranked teams( i used the ranking at the time they played) 14 and 34 not to stellar, so how much shizzle does that conf. record against top 25 teams mean now? | |
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Posted: 12/5/2008 10:01:43 AM | Take the defenses in the BIG 12 and SEC into account. IMO, it is NOT a coincidence that the BIG 12 has THREE Heisman candidates. Would those QBs put up those numbers in the SEC? IMO, no. They are great players but the SEC offers up much better speed and strength on the defensive end.
We will see in the national title game, though. | |
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Posted: 12/5/2008 10:36:19 AM |
Take the defenses in the BIG 12 and SEC into account.
take the offenses in the big 12 and compare them to the sec offenses.....
there isnt a defense in the country that could keep the ranked teams in the big 12 under 24 | |
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Posted: 12/5/2008 2:47:47 PM | A playoff system would settle this mess, but no matter what, you will always have a question about who gets in. A 16 team playoff system would probably be the best answer. Take the 11 conference winners(you win your conference, you should have the right to play for a national title). Then take the 5 highest ranked teams by the BCS. But here's the catch, you rank the 11 conference winners by where they are ranked in the BCS and if they aren't ranked in the BCS it goes by record. Then the 5 highest ranked non conference winners must be ranked 12 through 16. Here's how it would look this year. I know this makes the road for those non conference winners harder, but hey, win your conference or shut up.
(1)Alabama vs (16)TCU
(8)Cincinatti vs (9)Boston College
(4)Utah vs (13)Florida
(5)Penn State vs (12)Texas
(2)Oklahoma vs (15)Ohio State
(7)Ball State vs (10)Tulsa
(3)USC vs (14)Texas Tech
(6)Boise State vs (11)Troy | |
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Posted: 12/6/2008 3:11:42 AM | I know this makes the road for those non conference winners harder, but hey, win your conference or shut up.
that would be a good case if most conferences where pretty level even in talent, but that is not the case. we shouldnt put in teams just because they win there conf., that rewards the teams that play or more importantly beat nobodys most of the year.this applies to 6 of your teams listed ( cinncy,utah,boise st.,troy,tcu,tulsa,), look iam not trying to hate on the small programs , iam just saying if the point is to get the 8 or 16 best teams then this just doesnt work. just to make a point ball st got beat last night by buffalo, come on man do u really think buffalo belongs in that playoff system that u came up with? dont get it twisted, the only reason ball st was even ranked that high is because they played nobody!!!!! i would concede a playoff system, but one thing would have to happen,the non bcs schools would have to play atleast 3 bcs schools in the outta conf. sch.no if ands or butts.i think that might even the playing feild just a tade, also it would give us a chance to see these schools against the bigger and better ones. | |
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Posted: 12/6/2008 4:42:07 AM | I wouldn't say cinncy is a bad team... Well at least they play in a BCS conference and won it.
The Big east is down this year, but I expect WVU to be better next year... I mean south fl beat Kansas- who beat- mizzou- who is playing for the big 12. | |
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Posted: 12/6/2008 5:34:19 PM | Just to let everyone know who hasnt been paying attention, The Florida Gators, a team with talent on loan... from... GAWD, beat Alabama, beat the spread and showed how the Crimson tide was NOT the #1 team in the NCAA.
Mark this down cause it shall be set forth in stone.
"Florida, shall be known this year, as the National Champions of 2008." | |
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Posted: 12/6/2008 8:06:59 PM | Go gators, if they would have had Percy harvin the slaughter would have been worse. People Dont let oklahoma fool ya they may beat mizz tonight 50-7 i dunno games not over yet, Floridas just going to embarass them like 40-20 and prove that they shouldnt have been in the title game | |
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Posted: 12/7/2008 12:29:31 AM | I dunno what everyone was talkin about. Didnt take the time to read it but I just wanna say... GO GATORS!!!  | |
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Posted: 12/7/2008 5:24:24 AM |
People Dont let oklahoma fool ya they may beat mizz tonight 50-7 i dunno games not over yet, Floridas just going to embarass them like 40-20 and prove that they shouldnt have been in the title game
I'm going to say it will be Oklahoma vs Florida for the BCS National Championship Game but it hasn't been determined yet But if it Happens.....
Oklahoma is in a "Catch 22" situation and so is Florida.
1) If Oklahoma beats Florida People are going to say Texas should have had the right to play Florida in the BCS game.
2) If Florida beats Oklahoma People are going to say it should have been Texas playing against Florida in the BCS game.
We need a "Playoff System" to settle the scores. | |
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Posted: 12/7/2008 6:36:28 AM | Oklahoma is in a "Catch 22" situation and so is Florida.
1) If Oklahoma beats Florida People are going to say Texas should have had the right to play Florida in the BCS game.
2) If Florida beats Oklahoma People are going to say it should have been Texas playing against Florida in the BCS game.
We need a "Playoff System" to settle the scores.
if oklahoma wins, people will call them nat. champs
if the gators win people will call them the same thing, point is that there will always be critics, i say let them piss and moan.they are a ton of bad things that could happen with a playoff system as well. i guess the point i dont understand is why texas fans think that they are the ones getting screwed, do they not remember that they got beat by tech,why arnt they up in arms about tech getting left out as well, look a wins a win and a lose is a lose.i understand that texas beat o.u but tech but texas, so why not piss and moan for them. or how about alabama, they only lost one game as well, just dont understand why texas fans thing that they are the only ones that have a case, anyway i would like to say to the gators and sooners,CONGRATS, may the best team win. its going to bee a hell of a game.texas fans get over yourselfs | |
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Posted: 12/7/2008 10:29:09 AM |
i understand that texas beat o.u but tech but texas, so why not piss and moan for them. or how about alabama, they only lost one game as well, just dont understand why texas fans thing that they are the only ones that have a case
I'm just a College Football fan period. To be honest I root for Vanderbilt who makes a Bowl appearance maybe once every 26 years......Texas did beat Oklahoma and a whole lot of other teams could gripe because they think that they should be playing for the championship game as well.
Only reason I made the "Catch 22" ststement is a example of why we need a playoff system. | |
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Posted: 12/7/2008 12:11:35 PM | I'm just a College Football fan period. To be honest I root for Vanderbilt who makes a Bowl appearance maybe once every 26 years......Texas did beat Oklahoma and a whole lot of other teams could gripe because they think that they should be playing for the championship game as well.
iam a tennesee fan, so it doesnt make real giddy that the gators are playing for the natl. championship, anyway the main reason iam against a playoff is in my opinion is that it makes the reg. season mean alot less, in my eyes i look at the reg. season as a playoff. | |
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Posted: 12/7/2008 12:14:41 PM | overall the sec is down this year.....you have florida, bama, and everyone else....
yeah it just had two top 5 teams play each other that is really down | |
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Posted: 12/7/2008 12:23:19 PM | Best ways to look at one loss teams?
BEST WIN:
1. Florida (beat number 1 Bama)
2. Texas (beat number 1 Oklahoma)
3. Oklahoma (beat number 2 Texas Tech)
4. Alabama (beat number 2 Georgia? 3 Georgia?)
BEST LOSS:
1. Oklahoma (lost to number 5 Texas)
2. Alabama (lost to number 4 Florida (BCS rank))
3. Texas (lost to number 7 Tech)
4. Florida (lost to unranked Ole Miss)
Best Conference:
1. Oklahoma
2. Texas
3. Florida
4. Alabama
BCS rank: (likely rank)
1. Florida
2. Oklahoma
3. Texas
4. Alabama (could be 3 or 4)
Four pretty good sets of criteria, NONE of them with the same results. What a ****ing goddamn mess. A much would a plus one game REALLY hurt bowls or the regular season? Not much.
USC also has a claim to some of this, but the Pac 10 really hurt them.
but, then lets break down the plus 1-
Alright good deal lets go for the plus 1. Oh wait who do we choose? Well obviously we pick Alabama, Florida, Texas, and Oklahoma. Wait are you telling me that the game between Alabama and Florida meant shit? Also are you trying to tell me that you leave out USC and Penn St. when they actually won their conference? Hold on. Let me get this straight. You are going to leave out Utah and Boise St. despite going undefeated?
Plus 1 solves nothing.
Let throw in some playoff smack in here...
Good deal. Lets put USC, Oklahoma, Texas, and Florida. Penn St. says wait a minute. We won our conference too, and we have the same record as them. Also our conference is better. Why do they go and we don't? Alabama says wait a minute. Texas didn't win their conference either. We both only have one loss. Why do they go and we don't? Utah and Boise St. say hey wait a minute. We are the only two teams to go undefeated and we don't even make the playoff? Seriously people?
Who makes the playoff? The more teams you include the more teams feel like they have a legit argument to be included. The more teams you include the less the regular season means. Do we really want to run football like we run basketball? | |
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Posted: 12/7/2008 5:29:36 PM | | Well i officially think they picked the wrong way, I would have rather seen Alabama vrs Texas in the Sugar Bowl, but instead its bama vrs Utah......boring....... | |
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Posted: 12/7/2008 7:06:54 PM | | How the f*** does Notre Dame get a bowl game with a 6-6 record? Ridiculous..... | |
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Posted: 12/7/2008 7:48:53 PM | | Suposivly everyone with 6 or more wins gets a bowl, its ridiculous..... i mean whats so special about getting to a bowl game if just about everyone gets one....i think there are 32 bowls so 64 teams gets to play in one......... hell theyll make up a bowl game for any occasion or company........ the Post it notes bowl.....the toilet bowl its nonsence..... there should only be like 12 bowls, and the top 24 teams get to play or something like that | |
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Posted: 12/7/2008 10:33:39 PM | | well inkedemon pretty much summed up my response to the notre dame comment. i agree on both sides of the argument, there are way too many bowl games than what are needed but at the same time i think its great for us the fans and the teams because it means more football for us to watch and one more game for the players and coaches. of course it must end sometime, but you might as well stretch it as far as you can. and chicubs27 i am a notre dame fan but in a way i agree with you about them going to a bowl. yeah they got their 6 wins to qualify but i almost dont think they deserve it in a way. ND in my opinion should be 9-3 right now. our losses to boston college, usc, and msu i have no problems with. we just straight up lost those. but the games we lost against syracuse, north carolina, and pitt were games that should have been won. if we didn't collapse in the 4th quarter in every one of those 3 games we'd probably be in one of the higher bowls like the gator bowl. what makes you think you can win a bowl if you cant finish off teams like syracuse?!! at this point i just want to see them win a bowl game, i was 8 the last time they won one and i'm going to be 23 next month, its crazy when you think about that. | |
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Posted: 12/8/2008 5:09:40 AM |
anyway the main reason iam against a playoff is in my opinion is that it makes the reg. season mean alot less, in my eyes i look at the reg. season as a playoff.
Regular season does mean alot less with Tennessee playing teams like Alabama Birmingham and Northern Illinois at Home. Florida playing THE Citadel on their schedule.  I'd rather have them play a 10 game season and have a playoff with the top 8 best teams. | |
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Posted: 12/8/2008 5:27:56 AM | | I think there are way too many bowl games every year...of course i'll watch the local teams as well as the BCS bowls....but in general, i think all the dot.com bowls need to be removed. Sponsorships are looking for any & every way to make money off these schools...i just say stick to the traditional bowl games that we're used to watching every year. USC/Penn State should be a fun Rose Bowl to watch. | |
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Posted: 12/8/2008 10:28:09 AM | Regular season does mean alot less with Tennessee playing teams like Alabama Birmingham and Northern Illinois at Home. Florida playing THE Citadel on their schedule. I'd rather have them play a 10 game season and have a playoff with the top 8 best teams
how about teams like usc getting to play teams like stanford every year ( oh way stanford has upset them last year), go ask wyoming how big it was to play and beat a big school like tennessee. every school plays some beat team for example i think ohio state plays every school in the state.them small schools get paid big money to play them teams which is good for them schools.on the other hand it would also cut out match ups like usc vs ohio state, tenn. vs miami, tenn. vs ohio state, az state vs georgia, fl state vs gators that we have seen and will see in years to come.also how do u come to them 8 teams, no matter how u do it there will be people that grip, hell there will even people that have valid points to grip about. iam not saying that the bcs is prefect or that it cant be improved, iam just pointing out that u are offering a flawed soulition also. | |
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Posted: 12/8/2008 3:00:36 PM | Bowl game:"so...your the irish, you just got beat by the orange, you got drilled by the trojans, didnt even get a first down by the third quarter?"
the irish:"yea, but we did get 6 wins, we ARE the irish...and even better, we have god on our side"
Bowl game:"Yes your right....lets go ahead and send you to Hawaii, great weather, great venue...but for 6 wins, you get to go to Hawaii"....
unreal.....
this makes me hate the irish even more.... | |
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