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| Another American Civil War, is that likely?
Posted: 9/15/2006 7:21:56 PM |
He says I don't represent America; yet he acknowledges we are "torn down the middle". Do you see what he's really saying? He's saying that the left half is America and the right half or the 52% of us who voted for Bush arn't American at all, regardless of our citizenship. Go read the thread and see how angry he gets about my flag picture. He's proving I just might be right about another civil war.
I've read some of your other posts and you've got enough other challenges in your life. Just because someone is misguided and supports a fascist dictator doesn't mean they're a bad person.
I just disagree with you.
good luck. | |
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| Another American Civil War, is that likely?
Posted: 9/15/2006 8:03:21 PM | | I believe the war is already in progress but this being the "information age" and not the "iron age" or any other such it is a war of information and propaganda. The "liberals" and "Neo-Cons" are both just as asleep on this one. While they fight it out over who is "right" the same ol same ol is happening. (as demonstrated by the guy talking about shooting "tree huggers" and the people who lash right back at him in kind.) You guys are all very ignorant when it comes to tactics of war. You are being divided and conquered and are willing participants in it. You listen to the media which on one side is called "ULTRA LIBERAL" what a crock of S**T! On the other side it is "ULTRA CONSERVATIVE" another CROCK of S**T! What it is is ULTRA DIVISIVE! The mainstream media is owned by 5 MEGA corporations. All of them are tied to the defense contractors in one way or another. Is it any suprise they want to get us into wars and cover up things and or lie and divide the country? They dont make money unless they do so. If we choose to wear the labels they give us "Liberal" or "Neo-Con" we are signing our own ticket to our own dimise as a "free" country. We are being led by fear. Being asked to give up our rights in the name of security! This is the sign of the rise of fascism or worse. If you question the gov you are called a traitor, If you dont a patriot. WAKE UP the war is not with each other! Ben Franklin said it best, "A people that give up their freedoms for security deserves niether!" We should be VERY concerned about this. The gov says we need to give up our freedoms so they can track down terrorists. They have been breaking into normal americans houses that have nothing to do with terror anything simply because they make peaceful demonstrations against the gov or its policies this is a right gauranteed to us in the bill of rights. They are also attacking the 2nd amendment which should scare the hell out of the so called neo-cons. Both sides are under attack and all we talk about is fighting each other. How dumb are we WAKE UP!! | |
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vivid
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Joined: 6/30/2006
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| Another American Civil War, is that likely?
Posted: 9/16/2006 9:47:23 PM | He says I don't represent America; yet he acknowledges we are "torn down the middle". Do you see what he's really saying? He's saying that the left half is America and the right half or the 52% of us who voted for Bush arn't American at all, regardless of our citizenship. Go read the thread and see how angry he gets about my flag picture. He's proving I just might be right about another civil war.
America is not some blue-eyed dude with an American flag draped outside
his yard. Bush is NOT America....America is a country with different
opinions and thoughts and biases like any country. There are rich
Americans who don't care much about the underclass and would just wish
they'd disapear.
Your flag is simply a corporate logo......frankly, I don't know why you flaunt
it. Please spare me the tear jerking lecture of pride...at the end of the
day our goal is to amass lot's of shit and buy Hummer's and a nice condo
over looking our city and a good party.
The civil war will start when the gulf between those with a view and those
who's views over look the town dump becomes greatest....when the
have nots out number the haves. Just because it hasn't happend this afternoon
doesn't mean it won't happen in Los Angelos next weekend. | |
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| Another American Civil War, is that likely?
Posted: 9/17/2006 12:16:09 AM | vivid you contradict yourself; you say "America is a country with different opinions and thoughts and biases like any country" -True I agree
Then you say, "Bush is NOT America" - translation- "52% of people of voted for bush arn't America"- vivid you are a hypocrite. However, you don't piss me off; do you know why?
YOUR NOT AMERICA!!!!
I'm glad you can't vote in 2008; I, however can!  | |
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| Another American Civil War, is that likely?
Posted: 9/17/2006 10:54:42 AM | "52 percent of americans voted for george bushy..." Yes, and 3 percent of them reside in cemeteries..Another 5 percent in nursing homes where not surprisingly everyone was registered to vote republican Even life long democrats were re registered just that year to vote republican and several of them are brain dead, amazing!!! Where one can go from being scared like a furry little mouse because they might have been warned off the internet...To jumping down a posters throat because of a difference of opinion, that's being a hypocrite. I personally think george bush is not America either...I can and will vote in 2008... | |
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vivid
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Joined: 6/30/2006
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| Another American Civil War, is that likely?
Posted: 9/17/2006 12:07:25 PM |
Even life long democrats were re registered just that year to vote republican and several of them are brain dead, amazing!!!
I see dead people - all the time! | |
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| Another American Civil War, is that likely?
Posted: 9/17/2006 1:37:23 PM | Hey, do you know what? Bush had a very high approval rating for a long time. I personaly know some democrates who voted for him; simply because it was felt that he was the lesser of the two evils. I also know some republicians who wouldn't vote for Bush if the elections were held today, including myself.
Some of you really got to lighten up with the personal attacks on the threads, your just making yourselfs look stupid, and can't erase it if we wanted too....oh anticon I can agree to disagree..thanks. | |
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| Another American Civil War, is that likely?
Posted: 9/17/2006 3:30:01 PM | The reality of the situation is that bush or kerry would have been no different either way the same group would have won. Look it up bush and kerry both belong to the same secret organization. The skull and bones frat out of yale. They are a POLITICAL frat that should tell you something. Google that group to see who you are dealing with.
Fact is elections are very rigged even if vote tampering is not happening which it might be the case. The fact remains we have a 2 party system at the moment. For some reason americans are buying into it. I hope this changes soon and we can get people to believe in a system that votes the best cadidate into office, not based on what party they represent. Fact is there is VERY little difference between D and R these days. I know some of you will take exception to this statement. I urge you to not get offended and do your homework on this. Dont go for the knee jerk reaction you were conditioned by the media to say. Think about it some. Google and read ALL sides even if you think what they are saying is NUTS! Read it all and know where everyone is comming from before you decide where you stand. PLEASE whatever you do, make the decision yourself based on your beliefs and not the beliefs of Fox news or any other media outlet for that matter. Dont let them think for you and make your own belief system. WE MUST do LOTS of research into these things and make educated decisions on what we believe. If you dont you will be led to believe all kind of half truths outright lies and misinformation put out by the media, church groups and yes, Ill say it the government. Whenever a politician is asked a direct question and they try to weasel there way out of answering it we should be wary of everything that comes out of their mouth no matter what side of the divide they are. When asked direct questions we the people deserve direct answers. all this side stepping and distracting the public with non-issues will not do. When I ask the president about iraq he should not be talking about 911 or osama they have nothing to do with each other. nor should he be talking about gays getting married when i ask about osama. This my friends is called distraction. They see that con and lib both care about why we entered a war in iraq and why they let osama go and dig up an issue that they know will divide us. We have to learn to not fall for these tactics and STICK TOGETHER! Lib and Con working together for the betterment of the country. Lets put our differences aside we are all people who love this country and want the best for it. Lets not be afraid to ask the hard questions about 911, Iraq, education, health care, all of the issues. Not because we hate the president or love him but, because just like if you mess up at work you are held accountable so should he be. Same thing goes for congress and senate and local officals. This is the only way we will take our democracy back and let me tell you I think we are about to if we havent already lost it.
Most everyone has an agenda to push and will spin information to achieve it. We must train ourselves to see through this and do whats best for the country and to protect the constitution. This is our ONLY protection from tyrants on either side from taking advantage of our good intentions.
Personal attacks from the left or right only serve to divide us more and when we are divided the tyrants make off with the money while sending the common man up the river. They laugh all the way to the bank while we stand fighting each other. We are the ones who should be working together to make sure we maintain our freedom because they both D and R in many cases do not give a rats ass about us. I am not saying that all D or all R are bad in politics. It just seems like today the majority are. Many good men and women go into politics wanting to do good for their fellow americans only to be corrupted and turn into what they said they opposed. Absolute power corrupts absolutly!
Be safe and god bless. | |
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Karl73
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| Another American Civil War, is that likely?
Posted: 9/18/2006 12:07:51 AM | The reality of the situation is that bush or kerry would have been no different either way the same group would have won. Look it up bush and kerry both belong to the same secret organization. The skull and bones frat out of yale. They are a POLITICAL frat that should tell you something. Google that group to see who you are dealing with.
Fact is elections are very rigged even if vote tampering is not happening which it might be the case. The fact remains we have a 2 party system at the moment. For some reason americans are buying into it. I hope this changes soon and we can get people to believe in a system that votes the best cadidate into office, not based on what party they represent. Fact is there is VERY little difference between D and R these days.
We have a one party system masquerading as a two party system and it works. Instead of being good Americans most people choose to be good Democrats or good Republicans. Those in control of the media just divide people over hot button issues such as abortion and gay marriages. However, that those in power don't really care about those issues. They do care about the money and in money matters Democrats and Republicans vote alike.
Basically, a few powerful people control the primary media and they control who gets elected. If someone doesn't meet their approval either they get little media coverage or negative media coverage. Most people are conditioned to go by 15-second sound bites and are not going to take the time to study the issues. So basically they vote for a media approved Democrat or Republican. | |
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| Another American Civil War, is that likely?
Posted: 9/18/2006 3:52:36 AM | | Byrd, I have read several of your posts, and feel you are right on target. The rich need a good ass kicking but nobody here in Michigan can do it, we're all struggling for survival. If the rich continue to kick the poor's ass, we'll be their slaves. | |
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| Another American Civil War, is that likely?
Posted: 9/18/2006 3:58:48 AM | | rightwinggoodguy, you don't need to defend yourself to cavalier. Apparently he is a tree hugger. I myself live in a secluded area and have guns, which I would use to defend myself and my daughter. Others, however, seem intent to erode our Second Amendment rights and fail to realize this Amendment is needed to preserve our freedom. Without it, there could be no civil war and no way to fight for freedom. | |
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| Another American Civil War, is that likely?
Posted: 9/18/2006 4:11:03 AM | | obliq, very insightful message 31. I lived in and went to college in Detroit, fled to the suburbs and now live in the country. What you are predicting is happening here in Michigan. Believe it or not, Detroit used to be a great place. It's now disintegrated to the point where it's dangerous to go there. But the entire state is one big mess, and oppression is everywhere. They're sitting by the pool watching the news right now! | |
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| Another American Civil War, is that likely?
Posted: 9/18/2006 8:41:22 AM | hot and red,
"Others, however, seem intent to erode our Second Amendment rights and fail to realize this Amendment is needed to preserve our freedom"
You guys love that Second Ammendment, don't you? you know you're more likely to shoot that daughter of yours by accident than to shoot an intruder. That 2nd Ammendment was written when everyone used muskets.......not semi-automatics, handguns and assault rifles. every hear of a drive-by with a musket? We don't need a citizen militia and we don't need a nation of people like you and RWGG thinking you are some sort of hero for packing a gun. When everybody is packing....nobody is safe.
No civil war coming.....but when people start joking about it being OK to shoot tree-huggers and Democrats because they disagree......the future doesn't look bright. | |
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| Another American Civil War, is that likely?
Posted: 9/18/2006 12:02:06 PM | The Second Ammendment gives the rest teath. The Idea of the Second Ammendment was to have an armed populous. Its was part of the checks and balances system; it allows the peolpe the ability, the right and responsibility to rebel against a tyrannical government who no longer protects the constitution. Many on the left (not all) feel that guns should be outlawed and say the constitution is a living document. IT IS NOT!!! People who say that are dangerous should be removed from power or not allowed it the first place.
For those who don't agree me, and I know there are plenty; you have to remember the timeline that our constitution was written in. These people won a war for independence from England. These guys commited,..an act of treason against their king for our freadom. So its easy to understand why they the would want future generations to rebel, and defend freedom if the need ever arised; and give us a way to do it.
JFK was on the left and approved of personal arms...he was a good guy..and had the balls to defend this country..too bad there anrn't many others on the left more like him...they would actually get my vote....for once. | |
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| Another American Civil War, is that likely?
Posted: 9/18/2006 12:25:36 PM | ^^^^^^^^^I understand the reasoning behind it.......just don't think the literal interpretation is appropriate today. Arming yourself today against an oppresive US government is tantamout to suicide. Were these men alive today, wise as they were, do you think for a second they would be in favor of a populace as armed to the teeth as we are today. When was the last instance of "the citizen militia" called to defend us?
I'm not interested in outlawing guns. Yet i see no downside to making it more difficult to get them. If you want to keep a handgun for protection or a rifle or two to hunt with, more power to you. The average citizen however doesn't need semi-automatics or assault rifles. And if you need a gun so bad that you couldn't wait a few more days for a more thorough background check..you probably were going to do something more with it than protect your self.
Constitution not a living document. How foolish is that? A literal interpretation until the end of time.......is that what you are saying? Doesn't matter how society or the world or Americans change, right? A stagnant society is a dead one. If the laws and culture of a people do not evolve..they die. The world today is totally alien to the world of 1789.....to not allow for changing times in interpretation of the Constitution is very short-sighted. | |
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| Another American Civil War, is that likely?
Posted: 9/18/2006 12:42:24 PM | Not a single President has been for outlawing guns. Clinton was only one pushing to outlaw the most heinous of the assault type weapons. Now just what value would any of them be against for instance an army like ours or China? It would be like the Polish Cavary charge against Hitlers tanks. It would be symbolic but of little use.
A civil war? I can maybe understand why those that have little might stand up, but would you stand up to defend the top 1% and their enormous wealth? For what purpose? They certainly have forgotten you. | |
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| Another American Civil War, is that likely?
Posted: 9/18/2006 1:00:01 PM | When was the last instance of "the citizen militia" called to defend us? Independent militias, peacful to the USA or not have been removed by the clinton administration. However, there has been no need to use a militia at anytime after the revolutionary war; by our government. The Idea was to keep the population as armed as the government. You know, to have the government fear us, instead of the other way around.
Thats no longer the case; the government has far more firepower. The government is able to do a lot of what it does today; because they don't fear us at all anymore. In all fairness both the left and right misuse their power. The left want to take your guns away, the right wants to invade your privacy and they both want get rid of due processes.
The people could never challange the government in a conventional war; unless the states and armys split on the peoples behalf. This "war on terror"; will make it hard if not impossible to rebel against the government alone. Yet I still see a civil war coming, I just don't know how it will happen. | |
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| Another American Civil War, is that likely?
Posted: 9/18/2006 4:21:08 PM | I got to agree with the conservatives on this issue. I also agree with the poster who said it would be suicide to go to war with the current situation agaisnt the government. That is why we need to do it another way! Fact is everything shuts down without its workers. They cant kill us all. If we all stood together they would have to do what it is that we demand. Not to mention they would look EXTREMELY evil in the eyes of the world if they killed PEACEFUL people asking the government for FAIR treatment. Talk of CIVIL war is INSANE. There is NOTHING CIVIL about it. This does not mean I dont think there is not a time to defend ourselves and yes, people should be allowed to have arms. Having an armed population does often make people think twice about attacking them. I just think We would be wiser to take a page from ghandi's tactics book and martin luther king. Peaceful civil disobedience is the way to go here. Fact is if they government felt threatened and they talked the military into attacking us (which I am sad to say probably would not be hard.) We would be slaghtered like sheep even if we had guns of equal potential as them. They have bombers, tanks, and technological weapons that would put the fear into god itself. I am not saying take peoples guns away nor make it more difficult to get them. I think it is a moot point really. I am saying STOP fighting with each other the real enemy both foreign and domestic only benefits from it. As far as the constitution goes I say hands OFF. Anyone who says it needs to change dont have the education to understand what it is. I think anyone in office who wants to change it is commiting an act of TREASON that includes both bush and clinton. Both should be on trial for it. They took an OATH TO PROTECT the constitution our most sacred of all parts of our government and both wanted to strip our rights from us because they belong to the same political groups. Those who think that clinton is better than bush are fools. Clinton is just smoother and more tactful and probably a bit more educated but look into the slimy crap he has done and tied to NAFTA, IMF, etc. THIS guy a globalist he helped sell this country down the toilet! He is just as bad. We have to stop fighting con v lib and stop voting for DEM or REP they are both running the same agenda. What exactly are the conservatives conserving these days? They used to be for small government etc now they are just as bad on this issue. Dems used to be socially liberal now they want to resrict us just as much. They even put candidates from the same secret groups against each other so either way they win (bush v Kerry) either way Skull and Bones win! Google skull and bones if you have no idea what I am talking about better yet google kerry bush skull and bones. Educate yourselves and WAKE THE F#$K UP! Stop fighting with each other and stand together demand answers. Demand freedom we have to stop these globalist fascists and we have to keep it PEACEFUL! WAR = SUICIDE! this is not way in the information age. | |
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| Another American Civil War, is that likely?
Posted: 9/23/2006 4:10:28 PM | This a somewhat rediculous thread and somehow has evolved into my bible thumpers can whip your tree huggers anyday. Also with a few secret societies thrown in there to control everything.
What could cause a civil war?
If the extremes of the right took over and suspended all civil liberties and starting rounding up disidents.
If the extremes of the left took over and starting attaching all private property.
If the hardliners on immigration got their way and started rounding up all of the twelve million illegal aliens in this country for deportation. All of those folks are somebody's grandfathers, brothers, aunts, etc. That group has a disporportionate share of war veterens. Start screwing with LaFamilia and see how fast they are willing to fight.
another depression like the one in the thirties
Discarding the constitution and letting Bush seek a third term with another election fraud.
What else? | |
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| Another American Civil War, is that likely?
Posted: 9/24/2006 9:59:54 AM | To answer the initial question : no.
For civil war to take place requires a few key details to be either present or missing.
For one thing, what are you going to fight about...who you want to put in office ? You could just wait a couple of years like you've always done and vote instead of grabbing your gun.
Secondly, there is a third party of sorts in the military. Certainly the military is controlled by whoever is in power but without its support , no movement can hope to "win" in a civil war. You can fight all you want but the military would eventually be turned to police the population and if your goal is to somehow maintain America as a "free" country, it seems you are the cause of your own misery. Or you could just, again, wait a couple of years.
Thirdly, how is anybody going to identify the "enemy" ? Who would they even know to fight ? They'd have to go after the political party directly and that wouldn't go over too well with the American public in general I'm pretty sure.
If Bush became a dictator and a tyrant to the American people then a civil war might be a plausible scenario. Until that happens (and no, obviously it hasn't) then this is as much of a non-issue as is possible. | |
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| Another American Civil War, is that likely?
Posted: 11/11/2006 10:19:35 PM | I daresay it is much less likely after 11/7, the country is righting itself... to the left!
baa haa haa haa
*edit* Just saw the bit about Nancy Pelosi. That's garbage! | |
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| Another American Civil War, is that likely?
Posted: 11/12/2006 9:05:50 AM | bottom line... another civil war?
i see it being on the agenda
too many divisions amongst too many 'groups'
profiteers will laugh all the way to the bank while the 'worker' bees kill each other on their own dime | |
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