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| Another American Civil War, is that likely?
Posted: 11/13/2006 1:32:10 AM | I really hate that communist rederick; its a bane to the thread.
The "Poor" in America have it better than anyone else in the world. The Average middle class Joe in most other countries, look at our poor with envy.
If we get our president removed and replaced without any elections.......that could cause a civil war. F*cking commies would love for a EU "peace keeping" force to "help" us if it happends. Nothing would reunite this country faster, if they did.........NOTHING! | |
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| Another American Civil War, is that likely?
Posted: 11/13/2006 6:38:24 AM | ^ Jeez.... I hope I'm not repeating myself, but there's ALWAYS a civil "war" going on. War is just business through other means, like illegal ones. If you think that's not going on, you've got blinders.
Politics is about who gets what, and we're always fighting about that; be it through demonstrations, lawsuits, voting, whatever. Most of this competition is done through peacable means, thank goodness; but not all of it... just enough to keep it from an all out conflagration in the streets.
This has been going on forever...
"Class warfare"?
Tell me this wasn't the case when kings would sleep with every wife in their kingdoms the night before they married? or when they just flat out enslaved everyone who didn't work for them and hoarded the women as booty?
The only reason people call it "class warfare" now is that the underclasses are learning how to say "no" to the upper ones.  | |
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| Another American Civil War, is that likely?
Posted: 11/13/2006 5:12:36 PM |
^ Jeez.... I hope I'm not repeating myself, but there's ALWAYS a civil "war" going on. War is just business through other means, like illegal ones. If you think that's not going on, you've got blinders.
Politics is about who gets what, and we're always fighting about that; be it through demonstrations, lawsuits, voting, whatever. Most of this competition is done through peacable means, thank goodness; but not all of it... just enough to keep it from an all out conflagration in the streets.
This has been going on forever...
"Class warfare"?
Tell me this wasn't the case when kings would sleep with every wife in their kingdoms the night before they married? or when they just flat out enslaved everyone who didn't work for them and hoarded the women as booty?
The only reason people call it "class warfare" now is that the underclasses are learning how to say "no" to the upper ones.
EXACTLY!
For the other guy who is still brainwashed by the communists are the antichrist propaganda. I think you have no idea what communism is. Most of what you are refering to is socialism first of all. Second what you seen in russia was not communism it started out that way and got hijacked by the same people they were trying to get rid of. It became totalitarianism. A far cry from communism. There are few countries who have a true communist system. They are actually quite successful. One of them being vietnam. There are several socialist countries who are our allies and or not considered an enemy. Sweden being one of those. This country(sweden) has one of the best systems in the world. Health care for everyone, fair wages for everyone. Care for ALL people not just the wealthy. If you hate the poor so much and wish only an elite group of people should have access to health care, and that only some people deserve to be paid well for the work they do I can understand why you hate communists and socialists so much. I do however notice your EXTREME ignorance as to what communism and socialism are. It is simple to stop the spread of communism dont mistreat the poor/workers and they wont want a revolution to get better treatment. Stop trying to enslave people in the third world via sweatshops. Stop trying to steal the resources of other countries who should be using them for the benefit of their people. This last one is what causes alot of nations who would have previously not gone socialist/communist. They try to openly trade with a country like the USA who is so greedy that they end up trying to if not monopolizing that said resource. The USA will put into power an evil dictator via covert opperations who will allow this injustice to continue all in the name of "national security." The people will get fed up and make a revolution either through elections and or revolution. They will then nationalize the industry in order to cut the parasite out for the benefit of their people. This is FAR from evil or unexpected. I dont think communism is a perfect system either but, it is FAR from an evil agenda.
It is rather commical to me that when the rich engage in warfare in as far as blocking the raising of wages to a living rate for their workers, denial of health care, making sure education is inaccessable, wanting to destroy social security, not send aid to victims of natural disasters etc. These are all acts of war on the poor. Although they are not dropping bombs Ghandi said it the best "Poverty is the worst form of violence."
You are dead on with what you said only when the lower and middle class decide to stand up and strike or some other form of disobedience is it called "Class warfare." This war was started LONG ago and it was not the lower class that threw the first stone. There is also a war of information going on in this country. One only need to turn on FOX news and see the far right propaganda machine spreading their fascist agenda. They purposely lie, spin, and cover up facts to sell whatever they want you to buy. This rule by fear will topple as all other have however it is only a matter of time. The important question is what will be left of this country and the world after this tyranny has seen its last days. Will it be too late for America by the time the people realize what is going on? This is the real question not IF there will be another civil war. If you are only speaking of gun and cannon no dont think that will be the factor not here anyways they prefer to do all the bloody stuff in the "third world" where most people wont notice or mind. Then they lie to you about it on the news, whitewash it and spin it. Nothing new under the sun I am afraid. Still cowboys and indians. Cowboys commiting genocide and calling it settlements or we are bringing democracy and freedom YEAH RIGHT!!!SAME OL SHIT! | |
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| Another American Civil War, is that likely?
Posted: 11/14/2006 1:59:36 PM |
The Second Ammendment gives the rest teath. The Idea of the Second Ammendment was to have an armed populous. Its was part of the checks and balances system; it allows the peolpe the ability, the right and responsibility to rebel against a tyrannical government who no longer protects the constitution.
Possibly not so....
Article I, Section 8, Clause 15: To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;...
Further, the Union's invasion of the Confederacy is upheld as so:
Article I, Section 10, Clause 1: No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.
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Article IV, Section 4: The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.
Which is exactly what the southern states did. They formed a Treaty among each other and with foreign powers, concocted an alliance against the northern states, formed a confederation, coined their own money, and even elected their own president. They also raised their own army and naval forces.
Therefore:
Amendment II: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
probably has nothing to do with keeping the government in check, but rather for states to maintain militias, because:
No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any Duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay.
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I'm predicting sectarian violence in America. Iraq is just on-the-job training. | |
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| Another American Civil War, is that likely?
Posted: 11/17/2006 4:09:29 PM | Hi Red State Guy..again!
Now I just pop in every six weeks or so, as the summer is over....
but, things never change.
Is it me?
The horror of all war, but the Civil War, we would do that do ourselves AGAIN? This is a topic here? I like to think that people continue to evolve to a level of enlightenment never before seen, and I come here, and my IQ drops 20 points for two days.
So, all the ins got voted out. Maybe the boys will come home now. I can sleep at night.
Bye!
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| Another American Civil War, is that likely?
Posted: 11/18/2006 1:15:40 AM |
Regardless; I'm sure there will be a war of some kind....a bloody war within our borders in the near future.
And they call liberals defeatists and pessimistic LOL.
If one does break out; it would be because they incited one.
Your right on this one except we REALLY need to find out who THEY are! If you think the Islam is to blame for this whole thing you may have a BIG suprise comming.
Well if your talking about me..........I live in a blue State. Libs everywhere, not many republican chicks to date here....stuck with the libs.....God I wish you were right.
Love can win over political differences. Dont limit yourself by where someone stands on the issues in the end we all have our tastes when it comes to life.
People who are diametricly opposed on political views if they can talk and agree sometimes to disagree you can have a great relationship. | |
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| Another American Civil War, is that likely?
Posted: 11/18/2006 6:48:42 AM | Civil war? As in a hot, shooting war, no. Isolated rioting, immediately quelled by force, probably.
But class warfare, a Cold War of sorts, is already in progress and has been for a long time.
David Craig Simpson says it best: http://idrewthis.org/d/20050715.html | |
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| Another American Civil War, is that likely?
Posted: 11/18/2006 9:49:52 AM | A foreign "peace keeping" force? On U.S. Soil? I'd be the first showing up for "target practice".
If there was a civil war in this country, I'm pretty sure the people who believe in the Constitution as it was written would prevail...all you libs who believe the 2nd Amendment should be repealed already gave up your guns, so you wouldn't be able to put up much of a fight. | |
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| Another American Civil War, is that likely?
Posted: 11/18/2006 3:16:14 PM |
all you libs who believe the 2nd Amendment should be repealed already gave up your guns, so you wouldn't be able to put up much of a fight
Not all liberals gave up their guns but, even if there was a fight it would be shortly followed by the military attacking both sides unless they chose a side. Fact is the pathetic weapons that civilians can get ahold of got nothing on the military at all. They can bomb the shit out of us until there is nothing left just like they do all over the world. I have never met a liberal who wanted the second repealed! I have met a few who were in favor of laws making some of the most deadly weapons harder to get if i not unavailable. No one needs an AK 47 to go hunting or for self defense. For those who say we need these to stand up against the government are idiots. They are not going to fight nice and fair and send guys in with machine guns if you try that. They are going to bomb you and everything around you flat without care or concern of who else dies. One merely need to look at any country the US have invaded (there are quite a few examples lately) to see EXACTLY how they will treat you.
This is not the proper course of action for anyone wanting good change to come about to take. While violence can be used for good. Violence has been so perfected that it is foolish to try it. Peaceful means are still the best courses of action as proved by Ghandi and Martin Luther King and several other less well known warriors for peace and freedom. | |
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| Another American Civil War, is that likely?
Posted: 11/19/2006 4:22:15 PM | Those who would give up essential liberty for a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. --Benjamin Franklin
Give me liberty or give me death. --Patrick Henry
I think our founding fathers had it right, and I feel the same way. I do not give up my God given rights to any government, and if my fighting for my freedom means death, I would rather die fighting than live in tyranny. Right now, it has not reached a point where fighting is necessary. I have a vote, and I use it every time there is an election. That is how I fight now.
If those in office abuse their powers to try to force me to give up my rights, that may change. For instance, if I lived in New Orleans after Katrina, I would have fought to the death when they came to my door to take my guns. Luckily for me, I don't live there, so I am not dead yet. It is a shame when a government, which cannot protect you, forcibly removes the only tools you have to protect yourself.
Personally, I'd like to go back to the days when you could buy a rifle or shotgun out of the Sears catalog and they'd ship it right to your door.
An Armed society is a polite society. | |
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| Another American Civil War, is that likely?
Posted: 11/20/2006 6:29:14 AM | "An Armed society is a polite society."
That may the single dumbest thing I've ever read on these forums. Polite, huh? Is that why the US has 30,000 gun deaths every year. Is that why motorists shoot each other during road rage incidents? Is that why Americans who travel abroad are often characterized as "rude and arrogant"?
What happened in NO after Katrina was terrible, but it occured on the Republicans watch. Your great defenders of the Second Ammendment let you down. Don't blame it on the libs. Most of us "libs" only want to make sure you don't have the option of going deer hunting w/ a RPG.
Polite society..........don't get out much do you, dixietrucker? | |
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| Another American Civil War, is that likely?
Posted: 11/20/2006 8:47:28 AM |
Is that why the US has 30,000 gun deaths every year
How many of these shootings are gang related? Criminals will have guns no matter what laws are passed.
Is that why motorists shoot each other during road rage incidents?
These people are not in fear of the person they attack. They feel as though "I've got a gun and you don't....what are you going to do about it?" If they thought there was a good possibility that the other person was armed as well, that there was a real risk that by displaying/using their gun that they may end up shot themselves, this type of shooting would decrease...as has happened in every state that has passed CCW.
Is that why Americans who travel abroad are often characterized as "rude and arrogant"?
Has nothing to do with being armed. True Americans believe that we live in the greatest country on earth and would not live anywhere else. Just as you might consider someone who thinks they are the best there ever was at baseball, football, etc. to be arrogant, same holds true here. If you don't live here, or even if you do, if you don't think the US is the best country in the world, you are going to think that someone who holds that belief is arrogant.
What happened in NO after Katrina was terrible, but it occured on the Republicans watch.
Mayor of New Orleans - DEMOCRAT
Governor of Louisianna - DEMOCRAT
Congressman from New Orleans - DEMOCRAT
Senators from Louisianna - 1 DEMOCRAT and 1 Republican.
The decision to confiscate the firearms from LAW ABIDING CITIZENS happened on a LOCAL level. When the NRA challenged this action in a FEDERAL court, the feds told the city to stop. This didn't happen on the "Republican's watch" as you said. It was all Dems.
Polite society..........don't get out much do you, dixietrucker?
Yes, I do. I go out all of the time and in my pickup truck, people are very polite to me. Nobody has ever given me the finger or cut me off after passing me. Perhaps it is the bumper stickers I have on my tailgate:
"GUNS SAVE LIVES"
"A Man With A Gun Has More Fun"
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| Another American Civil War, is that likely?
Posted: 11/20/2006 10:50:32 AM | Don't confuse fear with being polite. Maybe people think...."what kind of gun toting whacko is this guy" when they see your bumper stickers. I wouldn't cut you off either....let's see...a rural white Christian male who loves NASCAR, drives a truck, and has pro gun stickers on said truck. You're a walking stereotype....people aren't polite to you because they're nice people....they're polite to you because they're afraid of you.
"How many of these shootings are gang related? Criminals will have guns no matter what laws are passed."
Oldest, lamest pro-gun arguement in the book. I won't bore you with statistics...you seem smart enought to do the research yourself. Though I doubt you would.....not knowing any better is a built in excuse for you.
"Has nothing to do with being armed. True Americans believe that we live in the greatest country on earth and would not live anywhere else. Just as you might consider someone who thinks they are the best there ever was at baseball, football, etc. to be arrogant, same holds true here. If you don't live here, or even if you do, if you don't think the US is the best country in the world, you are going to think that someone who holds that belief is arrogant."
It has everything to do with being armed....it's the same cowboy mentality that you have that caused Bush to make all the mistakes he made. You think every problem can be solved at gunpoint...you couldn't be more wrong.
"The decision to confiscate the firearms from LAW ABIDING CITIZENS happened on a LOCAL level. When the NRA challenged this action in a FEDERAL court, the feds told the city to stop. This didn't happen on the "Republican's watch" as you said. It was all Dems."
Really?......this from infowars.com regarding a bill in the NH legislature.
"In the chaos following Hurricane Katrina, various government agencies - including Federal Marshalls - made systematic
attempts to sweep New Orleans of guns -"
What's that? ....Federal Marshalls.......hmmmmm....and they would be under the direction of..... the Republican run federal government.
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| Another American Civil War, is that likely?
Posted: 11/21/2006 9:58:17 PM |
Don't confuse fear with being polite. Maybe people think...."what kind of gun toting whacko is this guy" when they see your bumper stickers. I wouldn't cut you off either....let's see...a rural white Christian male who loves NASCAR, drives a truck, and has pro gun stickers on said truck. You're a walking stereotype....people aren't polite to you because they're nice people....they're polite to you because they're afraid of you.
I said "An Armed society is a POLITE society." NOT "An Armed society is a NICE society." Quite frankly, I don't care if a person is polite because they are "nice" or if they are polite because they are "in fear". Either way, they are polite. The ends justify the means. Nobody is harmed by their unwarranted "fear", as a "rural, white, Christian, NASCAR loving, 4X4 truck driving, gun toting" redneck like myself is not going to USE the firearm sitting on the seat next to us unless someone pulls a weapon of their own against us. It is better to have and not need, than to need and not have. | |
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| Another American Civil War, is that likely?
Posted: 11/22/2006 8:53:29 PM | I strongly concur.
Wish it were not so, but one has to be prepared to defend oneself. The government is likely as not to murder you. There were more people killed by their own governments in the 20th century than all wars combined. | |
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| Another American Civil War, is that likely?
Posted: 11/22/2006 10:51:11 PM | | I think that most Americans are too comfortable and complacent to even know their rights, much less defend them, against another government and definitely not against our own. Pity isn't it! Heck most Americans are too self-absorbed to even vote. Don't think for a minute that these same people will rise up when they see their neighbors, or even their own families, being persecuted by THE MAN. Welcome to THE NEW WORLD ORDER. | |
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| Another American Civil War, is that likely?
Posted: 11/22/2006 11:01:54 PM | We have already given up our rights. Your sell phone sends a signal ever few seconds that can tell the cell phone company or the government where you are within 15 feet even if the phone is turned off. The city streets of ever major city is lined with survaliance camera, as are most building. In a few years there will be a national ID card. Everyone will be required to have it. This card will contain every thing about you in its microchip. Some states already require a thumb print on drivers liscenses. Many government offices and private businesses now require people to have a boi-scan preformed of their right hand to enter or conduct business.
Every one of these things has been done in the name of making our country safer or for making business more convienent. What they actuall are is an errosion of your right to privacy. BIG BROTHER WELCOMES YOU TO THE NEW WORLD ORDER. Oh and by the way, the Latin on our dollar bill speaks of the New World Order.
These things are being ushered in by both Democrates and Republicans. | |
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| Another American Civil War, is that likely?
Posted: 11/23/2006 12:20:36 PM | I've thought about all this in great detail.
Those who say nothing will happen until people get really hungry are right. To that extent we've been seeing the number of hungry on the rise in the last few years. Also, the whole food network is threadbare and one single line of that thread snapping can easily bring the whole thing down.
As far as who might be players in any sort of civil unrest it's hard to say. I can see the class issue. I can also see those who are starting to see that the Dems and Repubs are part and parcel of the same system being the targets of those who are usurping power as we speak and may find themselves allies shortly. That being said the question remains what happens in the afterward scenario. We need some sort of government, which is why I espouse a parliamentary system. As I've asked before, name one government that set up a system like ours since 1789? They have all set up parliaments. Why? Because a parliament is a multi-party system with much more representation and has better checks and balances. The prime minister must create a coalition in order to do anything. I believe it's also harder to use lobbyists in such a system. I'm not saying it's perfect but it's a hell of a lot better than what we have. It is the only way I see to stop what we have going on and would require a total rewrite of the constitution, a step I think Jefferson would applaud at this point.
The other aspect to this that I've considered in an all out civil war is strategy. I wouldn't want to live in the desert, the urban areas, or the plains. All are too indefensible and the military has a lot of practice in these places. Note where they have a hard time doing much, like the mountains.
I myself would just like to see a provincial system like Canada has based on bioregions and as I've already stated a parliament. I don't see any of this happening. I do see some hard times ahead and camps filled with dissenters from all spectrums of the political world. The infrastructure for this is being erected as we type and the laws for making this possible are included within the so called "patriot" act.
Anybody seen “V for Vendetta”? While I understand it’s fictional I think it shows how easy for those in control to create what they want to happen, just like 911. I don’t think these guys made it happen but I do believe that they knew it was going to happen and let it happen to help with their agenda. We’ll see what happens when this congress has an independent commission look at it. It will certainly find some different things that the Bush appointed commission found and hopefully this time it will make him testify under oath without Cheney holding his hand. | |
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| Another American Civil War, is that likely?
Posted: 11/24/2006 9:17:34 PM | Civil War in America? Very likely. I have been able to see it ever since the US has been taking preparations for martial law and I know for a fact that the Southerner's are itching for another one.
I think the Civil War will begin with this North American Union we're hearing about. And maybe it will be ushered in after more 9/11 type events but deep down I can't see anybody in their right mind really going along with it. Unless they are that deceived.
I don't think we have to wait 10 years for this either. With the way the world is crumbling today it might not be very long. It's important to enjoy life as it is now. Take a chance on something maybe.
But deep down I feel there is really nothing to fear. Sure bad things do happen over the course of time but the universe tends to unfold as it should*
Together we can all work well in a time of crisis. When we realize that our leaders aren't going to help us and hold our hands. But it will take actions the likes that most of you people have never even wanted to consider. | |
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| Another American Civil War, is that likely?
Posted: 11/25/2006 11:14:18 PM | | We already had a revolution in this years election cycle--we tossed out a bunch of right wing bums! And I am looking forward to '08 when we can finally get rid of Bushboy. Every election cycle can be likened to a "revolution" even though no blood has been shed. | |
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| Another American Civil War, is that likely?
Posted: 11/26/2006 1:49:38 AM | I'm not in a position to comment on the good old US of A.
But many creditable media people in the UK predict a future civil war in our country,
due to the massive influx of third world people immigrating here.
The next English civil war will be fought between the English, and the non and anti English people.
Most of the indigenous folks are very keen, to get it on. | |
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| Another American Civil War, is that likely?
Posted: 11/26/2006 7:21:03 AM | I believe it is possible. First and foremost, people are tired of politics and the lying that goes on. This great country will fall from within, and it is happening right now; I wish it wasnt so. We all need to realize that this world is corrupt and people are out to kill us. The only reason it doesnt happen here yet is because our government still protects us.
Anyways, Im conservative but Im not necessarily a republican anymore. My party is going a different route and so they are leaving me. Id rather the constitutional party come about but who knows. Like Andrew Wilkow said, Patriot first, Conservative 2nd, Republican 3rd. He's considering leaving the republican party and Im right there with him for the same reasons.
Politics will continue to divide this country and many outlets like the mainstream media will fuel this fire until it's out of control. I say, if you hate America, then please leave. Too many men and women died for our freedoms that we so enjoy today.
To let things like socialism take root is a slap in the face of those brave souls. We can stop this insanity of all this bickering but we all must put aside our politics and realize that we are Americans 1st. | |
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| Another American Civil War, is that likely?
Posted: 11/26/2006 5:04:01 PM |
To let things like socialism take root is a slap in the face of those brave souls. We can stop this insanity of all this bickering but we all must put aside our politics and realize that we are Americans 1st.
LOL so we were all born in the same place!! WHOOOPY people from canada south america caribean they are all americans too! This is part of the arrogance and uneducated babble that the ol USA is known for these days and the reason why we are not much liked in the world. Socialism is some how a bad thing and rampant racisim/classism is a good thing otherwise called capitalism/imperialism. this country got its head up its ass so far I wonder if the doctors would be able to perform a surgery to get them out without killing it. There are plenty of our allies like sweden that have socialist systems that are EXTREMLY successful. You might be mixing up communism with socialism but, either way you sound uneducated at best.
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