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| The truth about Introverts.
Posted: 9/20/2006 6:18:31 PM |
The reason for this is introverts are more intelligent, more reflective, more independent, more level-headed, more refined, and more sensitive than extroverts.
I think you have this concept here somewhat backwards, introversion does not lead towards genius or reflection. Rather the opposite, as misunderstood genius causes introversion as the person tires of his inability to communicate his concepts to a public unable to understand them. As for more reflective, more independent, level-headed, refined, sensitive? These are all a)subjectively measured, meaning that there no control to judge them against, and b) not even necessarily good qualities in certain situations. Lets go through this one by one, to look at the converse sides of these blanket statements.
More intelligent. Please define intelligence first, and then the situations this type of intelligence is used in. I mean, engineers take their cars to mechanics (at least the smart ones do). Sure, they can design it, but have they ever put one together? Do they know to dodge the oil that comes out when they take out the plug? do they realize that the nut they used to hold a fuel line in place is too large to allow room for a wrench to get a good grip, so it's actually more practical to use a different tool? We've all come across book-smart people that simply can't get shit done in the real world because it lacks the structuring of theory, and people who cannot maintain the structure of theory but can jury-rig solutions on the spot that may not be pretty, but work.
More reflective? Oh boy, first lets look at the word reflective. Reflection is the change in direction of a wave front at an interface between two dissimilar media so that the wave front returns into the medium from which it originated. Hm, now, while it is possible for someone to be their own dissimilar media thanks to the 'comittee' style of evolution that has occurred in the brain, you can only change your own thought patterns so much. This is why that****watching you play solitaire can spot the obvious solution before you can, because your thought patterns are fairly static and flow along a certain set path. He follows a different path, and so is more likely to come up with different solutions, not more or less valid necessarily, but different. Kind of like the monkey solution, where scientists put an ape in a cage with four exits to see which one he'll use, and the monkey discovers a fifth way.
Another thing that supports extroversion in the case of practical intelligence is the proven accelleration of technology through improved communications, where someone has a great idea and is able to transmit that idea to another person who does something else unique with it. Probably the most dramatic example of this is the european's gaining access to gunpowder which the chinese had for centuries.
More level-headed and refined are so subjective and individual personality traits, that I can't even generalize them to refute them. What the hell, that's like saying white people are more level-headed and refined than black people. I mean, societies gone through times when it was polite to wash yourself out of a common (by that I mean shared) washbucket, where the water was not cleaned between each individual use.
Sensitivity. Is this one tossed in as a joke? Sensitivity as in being emo? "you don't understand and it's too hard to explain, so I'm going to cry?" or sensitive as in being understanding and caring about other people's needs and the validity of their emotional reactions? EMO SOLUTION: Realize that most of what people say is opinionated doggerel they most likely don't even truly believe. If you aren't willing to take the time to try and correct them, then simply leave them alone. Also, don't close yourself off to the possibility that they might be right, you're not the only sentient being on the planet. Make sure you aren't crossing the line between sentiment and sentimentality. Sentiment is when you swerve to avoid a dog in the street. Sentimentality is when doing so causes you to hit a person. OTHER PEOPLE SOLUTION: I fail to see how this could even be rationally argued for introverts being more sensitive than extroverts. The thing about extroverts, is that just as many of them listen as talk. It's an exchange of information, not just a one-sided diatribe. That's more likely to come from someone who's unwilling or unable to listen to someone else. ie, introverts. I'm not saying they're unable to care for people or to empathize with them, just that it's harder for them. That's why they're introverted. They find it pressuring to have people interrupt their deep thoughts.
So what to do with an introvert? First recognize that it’s not a choice, it’s not a lifestyle, and it’s an orientation. Second, when you see an introvert in deep thought, don’t ask them what’s wrong? Or, are you alright? Third don’t say anything else either. Fourth when they’re done with their deep thoughts ask them what they were thinking about.
I actually agree with the basic, oh so very basic, meaning that some people find it a burden to be in constant communication, but get off your goddamn high-horse about it. It's not such a big deal, and if someone consistently interrupts you while you're having deep thoughts, it's not because that persons extroverted, it's because they're an ass. Same as the person whose so caught up in their deep thoughts to give the time of day.
so, this is going by your examples. I personally think that there are certain social dynamics and situations where either way works better or worse, or is completely irrelevant. I find your grouping of people into extroverts and introverts highly offensive and segregational. Even extreme introverts still have a need and desire for human contact, albeit at a somewhat reduced rate from what society gives them.
I am introverted somewhat myself, where I often find that I do need some time for just me and I get stressed if I don't get it, and I feel quite comfortable with it, but I realize tha just because someone's extroverted it doesn't mean they don't understand or respect my needs.
I actually had quite a hard time dealing with people when I was younger because I felt that they were unfairly infringing upon my personal space, when really I was not communicating why and how I felt when it got too much, and I would often drive people away for good when really all I wanted was a little bit of time alone.
Actually, after reading your post again, I find that it seems more and more a whiny way of telling people to leave you alone, and trying to make it their fault for interrupting you. Why the hell are you even on a site for meeting people, if you're just introverted and not lonely? shit, is it that bad to admit it? Stop playing the victim for pity and generalizing individual qualities you whore. You make me feel dirty saying I'm an introvert. From now on, I shall refer to myself as having introverted tendencies, as you have so rendered the word a box to classify me in without having to think further upon my unique personality as an individual. Effing communication-ist discriminator. | |
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| The truth about Introverts.
Posted: 9/20/2006 6:30:09 PM | | woot, took the carl-jung test. One suggestion for the test is instead of yes/no answers, scale it 1-5, 1-10 whatever. Argh, frustrated by the lack of holistic conceptualization that what is appropriate for some circumstances is inappropriate during other circumstances. I took it, despite my frustration at such an action-reaction test, but I guess when it's meant for general testing of the populace it's the best it can come up with. Personally, though, I think I've seen more thought put into d&d random charactor creation than this test. I mean, what are we, robots using binary? | |
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| The truth about Introverts.
Posted: 9/20/2006 6:32:09 PM | | oomph, before anyone asks (humoring myself that someone cares ;) i got infp 33% introverted, 50% intuitive, 12% feeling, 44% percieving. I have been boxed. Maybe this could be the new zodiac, "Hey baby, what's your JM? Mines INFP, wanna go home and read about sex?" wtf. | |
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| The truth about Introverts.
Posted: 9/20/2006 8:44:42 PM | I am introverted, but I also enjoy being around people, just not all the time, and I don't define my life by who I know and how often I see them (as some of my extroverted friends do). And I have never had a problem communicating my thoughts to others. EVER. The ability to read/write is the best and most useful skill I've ever acquired.
I love to have fun, and be social, but I definately need "ME" time. Usually a couple hours on the computer checking my e-mail, reading the news, or watching a TV show is good enough. I've gotten a lot better with socializing the last two years. I have anxiety disorders, but a couple hours to myself each day keeps me from acting like a loon.
Most of the reason I don't "hang out" with people all the time is because it is hard to meet people who have the same interests as me. Seems like most people my age are into shopping, music/movies that I hate, boys/men or girls/women, and so it is hard to relate. Sit me down at a cafe table with someone 10-15 years older than me (male or female) and we'll have a conversation cooking in no time. | |
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| The truth about Introverts.
Posted: 9/20/2006 9:35:06 PM | Wow this site has really grown............
And yet it keeps the same gibber going???????????????
Why is everyone still fighting about who is this or that???????
It isn't about who is wrong or right.................it is just one man's idea and then it flow's from there. It isn't about bashing introverts/extroverts..................it is just information.
It is however an eye opener on how people strive to have some sort of stress............some sort of drama...................I have been to a couple of sites and this site by far has fuel burning.
It is seems that people whether they are introverted or extroverted enjoy conflicts and live to find some fight with someone....................amazing!
It is like driving by an accident and everyone has to look at it driving by hoping there is an injury................................same principle.
let's just see how we can injure each other with gibberish mumbo jumbo..............
But I guess you all get your kicks cause you are still fighting over who is more intelligent.
i think there is a lot of things to put your energy into...................and hopefully some of you find pleasure in doing something good for yourself or others.
Wow! People come one stop the fights. let it go. | |
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| The truth about Introverts.
Posted: 9/21/2006 7:04:29 AM | Chronocide
Please read the previous 10 pages. Everything you wrote in your post has already been discussed. The points you brought up were already brought up, discussed and some people came to an agreement on some things, other’s had to agree to disagree. Good points that you made, but you’re a little late on this one.
Wow! People come one stop the fights. let it go.
You still don’t get do you kirkygirl? This isn’t a fight, this is a discussion. It seems to me that if two people don’t agree you automatically think they are fighting. People can disagree on something, discuss it, and not have it become a fight or war of words.
You need to read more carefully; you miss very important parts in most of the posts. I tend to think you are the one that enjoys a good fight, as it seems every post you make is an attempt to either start one, or fuel the fire of a fight that is dying out.
One more thing, don’t make assumptions until you’ve read the entire thread. Thread’s, especially long ones, usually start off with people stating their opinions. Then they state the facts that support their opinions and why they think they are right. After that posters understand each other’s view points a lot better. Then some who have realized that certain points of their opinions were wrong so they may change them. The first 2 or 3 pages are probably just opinions, pages 4-6 probably mostly facts, and so on. So if you just read the first few pages, all your getting are peoples opinions before all the discussion that went on across 10 pages.
The points that you are trying to argue have already been argued, intelligence was already defined and yes both introverts and extroverts are generally gifted, just in different area’s, generally.
If you’re going to make anymore posts I suggest you read more of the thread, you’re flogging a dead horse. | |
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Posted: 9/21/2006 7:07:06 AM | | point, I accidently skipped a few pages. Feeling somewhat of an ass after I posted it and noticed, but I was just hoping it would slide by. *le sigh* I apologize for my redundant rant. Gonna go eat horsemeat now. | |
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| The truth about Introverts.
Posted: 9/21/2006 9:19:56 AM | I am either very introvert or very extrovert -- there rarely is a middle ground with me.
I'm often quiet. I need time alone, a lot. I reflect and read a lot, I write, do my music, etc.
I am the center of attention among my friends, at parties, or when I go out with groups. I carry the majority of the conversations and keep people laughing for hours or talk about topics that seem to heat up the room. I also sometimes become embroiled in massive debates and discussions among my peers, or even people here which people seem to enjoy.
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| The truth about Introverts.
Posted: 9/21/2006 9:02:38 PM |
Introverts are more intelligent ?
more independent ?
hahaha
funny OP, msg 1...
I wouldn't take it too seriously. A lot of people try to make themselves look better than others because they feel misunderstood. Like fat people insisting they are overlooked because of their outer grossness, but they are so sure of their inner beauty (assuming others are not beautiful on the inside). Similarly, the OP tried to make a case that introverts have substance over flash. Anyway, the OP probably just feels misunderstood.
By the way, OP, you described me to a T. | |
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| The truth about Introverts.
Posted: 9/24/2006 3:42:18 PM | Okay, how do you know me and how did you get inside my mind?  You've pretty much described me to a tee. I'd much rather stay home with a good book or movie than go to a bar, spend money I don't have on watered down drinks I can't afford and be hit on by guys I can't stand. I'm happier in a library, reading alone in a cemetery being surrounded by beautiful statues, obelisks and other amazing forms of art or in a coffee house somewhere. Why am I happier alone? I've had friends in the past, but they all stabbed me in the back, why? Please tell me so we both know. So after being stabbed one to many times, I started being my own friend. I'm slowly crawling out my shell and am not afraid of trying out new things by myself. Still an introvert? Definately. But a few times throughout the week I crawl out of my shell and go out. Where? Lately, my new addiction: SWING DANCING. LOVE IT. Dancing with nice, HOT guys. Not seeing a problem there....
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| The truth about Introverts.
Posted: 9/29/2006 3:34:22 PM | mortici2579:
"I'm happier in a library, reading alone in a cemetery being surrounded by beautiful statues, obelisks and other amazing forms of art or in a coffee house somewhere. Why am I happier alone? I've had friends in the past, but they all stabbed me in the back, why? "
No real diffeference to anyone else out there, you've had friends and ended up trusting - yourself alone. Only one, maybe two actions happened that made you distrust one of your KEY friends. If they can mess up - the others proved valueless.
I don't think your seeing a prob with your new hobby - you're being your old self, the one your friends knew. 
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| The truth about Introverts.
Posted: 9/29/2006 3:45:32 PM | This is so very true, I need alone time , every day or I go nuts.
Most things people talk about seem soo mundane, I prefer being alone with my thougts & just be. | |
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| The truth about Introverts.
Posted: 10/5/2006 1:51:33 PM | I share the same sentiments as fellow INTP 'er NamedUser. Why fight?
I wonder if all INTP's prefer the calming ways of fellow introverts? It would seem odd knocking down the logic of all these outgoing people who simply can't keep their (often wrong) opinions to themselves ;)
And before everyone on the opposite side of the scales dump scorn on my comment, I'm INTP = Quietly right !  | |
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Posted: 10/5/2006 4:57:54 PM | | bravo bravo bravo.............i think you can guess im an introvert and yes we are totally misunderstood.........im afraid i always shy away from outgoing extroverts. my space.......my home my inner world is my santuary. | |
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| The truth about Introverts.
Posted: 10/12/2006 2:11:54 AM | Introverts seem to medidate more, I think and converse more deeply. But, maybe thats just the wonderful introverts who I've met.
Love for all,
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| The truth about Introverts.
Posted: 10/12/2006 4:06:45 AM | i liked that thread............i myself am an introvert but i do disagree with alot....just the idea the thread puts forward......
i disagree that introverts are more intelligent.......that makes no sense,
but on the others i agree.....especially about some extroverts seeing it as a strange
personality and can't get round that
i have had experiences like that and while it is not nice, it's not from normal induviduals.....they dont act rude on purpose and cant be named as a group, just rude people | |
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Posted: 10/14/2006 11:38:00 PM | I am an introvert and I have a extremely hard time with people who constantly need attention. I do not like endless talking about nothing. If you are going to waste words that pertain to absolutely nothing then at least be funny. To me small talk is usually conversation filler that lacks much information and sometimes truth. silence is always a better option to this.
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| The truth about Introverts.
Posted: 10/24/2006 4:43:57 PM | | In todays society introverts are usually called either nerds or stupid.If you are to much of an introvert or extrovert means you need to be more balanced | |
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Joined: 3/25/2006
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| The truth about Introverts.
Posted: 10/25/2006 12:30:28 AM | I read the original article a few months ago. I found that while some of it was off-base for me, much of it rang true.
I am an introvert with some shy tendencies. People usually assume I'm snobbish, aloof, or just a plain ol' jerk. Nothing could be farther from the truth, but the fact is that we live in a fast-food culture, and unless you can dazzle someone in seconds or minutes then you usually get categorized, pigeon-holed, and left out in the cold. How's that saying go about women judging men in the first 60 seconds? 
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Joined: 6/2/2005
Msg: 271 | |
| The truth about Introverts.
Posted: 10/25/2006 1:45:35 AM | Angelab says:
Being a poor communicator is more about shyness I think, and introvert and shyness isn't necessarily the same thing.
Exactly. You cannot tell about another person by external behaviour whether s/he is an introvert or an extrovert. The point is how a person experiences situations. Simplifying, an extrovert gets energy by interacting with other people, an introvert loses it.
Somebody asked whether there are people who are both... yes, there are. E.g. according the tests I am 50/50 - only that sometimes I feel that I am more introvert but it might be a result of the fact I do not or cannot take (for instance working situations) take care of the need to take more my own time. | |
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| The truth about Introverts.
Posted: 10/25/2006 4:44:43 AM | until he passed away, my introvert partner would sit and listen to me for hours at a time (ENTP/ENFP here depending on the year of the results)...
when i asked, "what are you thinking?"... he'd, more often than not, reply, "nothing... i'm listening"
psychology rocks
there is no 'right' or 'wrong' type, it is simply insight into the various personality types and an understanding that other folks are unique and different and not to be judged or blamed based on those differences | |
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| The truth about Introverts.
Posted: 10/25/2006 6:06:17 AM | I was a bit shocked with this thread. First, I'd like to say that I'm pretty much an introvert if I follow that description. However, saying that extrovert are less intelligent than introvert is pretty close-minded if you ask me. You speak of extrovert as if they were just big children seeking for attention to feed them. Of course a lot of them don't mind attention from others, but that doesn't mean they're not open minded, smart and thoughtful.
One of my bestfriend, which is probably the most intelligent person I know, would be classified as an extrovert. He knows how to talk, he likes the attention, but I never had the feeling he didn't understand me. I actually have to say that most of the time, I get along great with extrovert since I don't have the pressure to feed the conversation all the time (I know they will!).
Finally, why does the human race always need to classify people? You're either black, or white... gay or straight... man or woman...
I know this is probably a very utopistic view, but I wish people would just be people...period. | |
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Joined: 6/2/2005
Msg: 274 | |
| The truth about Introverts.
Posted: 10/25/2006 6:26:14 AM | Melia79, Msg #279,
The article possibly was making a clumsy attempt to defent introverts against the common belief that people seen as introverts by the others are in some cultures considered a bit... hmmmm... simple? (This is very much also a cultural issue - what is favourable in one culture might not be a succesfull way to impress the others in other culture.)
(Did it say anything about intelligence? To be honest, I was too lazy to go back to it.)
As said before: you cannot tell for sure about a person by his/her behaviour whether s/he is an intro/extrovert. - These categories are not telling about the intelligence, just about the way people are dealing with other people and approaching matters, on what kind of information they are basing their opinions, etc. | |
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Joined: 10/15/2006
Msg: 275 | |
| The truth about Introverts.
Posted: 10/25/2006 8:36:58 AM |
I am an introvert with some shy tendencies. People usually assume I'm snobbish, aloof, or just a plain ol' jerk. Nothing could be farther from the truth, but the fact is that we live in a fast-food culture, and unless you can dazzle someone in seconds or minutes then you usually get categorized, pigeon-holed, and left out in the cold.
I wouldn't categorize myself as an introvert necessarily but I have had the same reactions to a degree sometimes. Oh well buddy... Their loss. | |
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