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 xxlt

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If George W bush is doing so bad why is the economy doing so good?
Posted: 4/8/2008 6:06:09 AM
If there was blood running in the streets anyone who was dumb enough to support Bush would call it milk and honey. The original post assertion that the economy was doing good was wrong then. And its still wrong, since what was "the threat" of recession has now just become the reality of recession. I'm sure W and the OP still see nothing but sunshine, lollipops and rainbows. I hope being delusional is fun for them, otherwise it is just tragic.
 Sckoul

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If George W bush is doing so bad why is the economy doing so good?
Posted: 4/9/2008 8:22:21 PM
Ummmm.........No if you mess up your credit thats one thing but if Visa sponsors you then thats different. If a artist making music about sacrafising kids, people will be mad at the label that funds him or pays him. Mike Vick fighting dogs. What happened? his sponors took heat for giving him money. The Federal Reserve is a large sponsor if you havent seen. Stop defending the power house!
 dancecard

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If George W bush is doing so bad why is the economy doing so good?
Posted: 4/18/2008 9:26:56 PM
So how are we able to do all these things, without all the "advantages" the USA has ? Why is a country that's so rich and powerful (compared to us) unable to ?

How come two countries who share a common border differ so greatly in quality of life ?

And why has an administration that blows it's horn so loudly over it's wonderful plan of tax reductions to the wealthy leading a nation into debt and recession ?



Message: It defies all comperhension, to guys like me with ~ with just "average" brains.

there are many things that I don't know much less understand. ~

I'd like to know about the quality of life in Canada. I've heard it's very nice up there. ~ I made it to Missisota once ~ compared to Texas, it reminded me of a place that God might choose to live. Very pretty country, ~ I can see a man wanting to marry up with a good women, one he can't keep his hand off of and find a nice place to build a home ~ live on wild game and what they grow. I guess Canada is about the same. ~

But this money deal?? ~ The government we have had under this adminstration and the pervious Bush ~ has hurt us ~ I wonder what Clinton view of NAFTA was intended to be? Surly not what we see today. ~

Over the years, there were many people under the illusion that somehow they were above it all, ~ things were still good at their house and they offered little compassion or understanding to the the early victim of this mismanaged debacle. ~ The standard retort was , "the dead beats just need to get a job" be like me! It' s only now that many are beginning to understand ~ the playing field is not level ~ Now the wolf is at their door~ a scratching , clawing~ and a growling. They are in there a hiding , doors and window bared close ~ sneaking out to the car to go to work in the morning~ hoping no one sees them leave.

And even now, today ~ some will tell you , " Just go to work, you lazy slacker" ~it just tells you that this~ " scurge" hasn't reach their door- step ~ yet. ~ And when it does, they will blame the poor, the homeless, the migirant workers, the negro, the mexican for not being able to keep up ~~ but they will never blame the guy that still living good in the white house, they will never blame themselfs for voting the way they did. George 43 was an empty shirt ~~ and they voted for him anyway ~ And expected things to continue working well in government. ~ ~~ Like the job really was not that important, ~" we don't need anyone that know how to read or comunicate in the White House. "~

Just someone that can act out old westerns, ~ "Well Pilgrim, your either with us or again us." ~~ " which will it be?" ~ Do the rooster strut on the tarmac, steping out of Air Force One. ~ maybe an little "moon walk" and wave at the cameras and on looking Bushies.

The president of the US is not a figure head ~ he /she must have a grasp of the issues, work long hours, capable of comunication well with other, understand that leadership requires one to surround yourself with people brighter then you are on any given subject ~ and be able to listen and hear and above all have a sense of pride and fairness ~ and compassion for all the world people ~ not just the ones you know personally or the ones that can do you the most good.

There's things ?~ I just don't know about ~ I hear Canada is pretty this time of year ~dar
 Peacethx

Joined: 3/24/2008
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If George W bush is doing so bad why is the economy doing so good?
Posted: 4/19/2008 12:37:36 AM
The economy stinks in the US. You are more in debt than ever before, you are spending billions and trillions of dollars in Iraq, you have a complete housing disaster, gas prices are so high we can barely afford to drive...

To the dudes who say its all great...you must live in a good neighborhood.

Bush is deliberately making a stinking mess because he knows the Demos are gonna win this round and he wants to leave them with a smelly bedroom to clean up. Six months into the new presidency they can all start finger pointing and saying, see, when WE were in power..all things were good.

The US economy is very unstable, and in a recession. How can you possibly deny this?
 foggyknight

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If George W bush is doing so bad why is the economy doing so good?
Posted: 5/3/2008 8:27:44 PM
"What me worry?".......you go Alfred.
 glamour6

Joined: 4/7/2008
Msg: 556
If George W bush is doing so bad why is the economy doing so good?
Posted: 5/3/2008 9:58:37 PM
I want to know why the Democrats who promised us lower gas prices last fall haven't delivered.. The mortgage debacle was not Bush's fault but he's getting blamed for it of course. I do appreciate the extra refund checks he's giving out..
 Montreal_Guy

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If George W bush is doing so bad why is the economy doing so good?
Posted: 5/3/2008 10:29:41 PM

I want to know why the Democrats who promised us lower gas prices last fall haven't delivered..


Because American politicians have essentially zero to do with world market oil prices ?


The mortgage debacle was not Bush's fault but he's getting blamed for it of course.


Some states tried to stop it earlier, but the feds stopped them instead.



Thursday, February 14, 2008

Predatory Lenders' Partner in Crime
How the Bush Administration Stopped the States From Stepping In to Help Consumers

Several years ago, state attorneys general and others involved in consumer protection began to notice a marked increase in a range of predatory lending practices by mortgage lenders. Some were misrepresenting the terms of loans, making loans without regard to consumers' ability to repay, making loans with deceptive "teaser" rates that later ballooned astronomically, packing loans with undisclosed charges and fees, or even paying illegal kickbacks. These and other practices, we noticed, were having a devastating effect on home buyers. In addition, the widespread nature of these practices, if left unchecked, threatened our financial markets.

Even though predatory lending was becoming a national problem, the Bush administration looked the other way and did nothing to protect American homeowners. In fact, the government chose instead to align itself with the banks that were victimizing consumers.

Predatory lending was widely understood to present a looming national crisis. This threat was so clear that as New York attorney general, I joined with colleagues in the other 49 states in attempting to fill the void left by the federal government. Individually, and together, state attorneys general of both parties brought litigation or entered into settlements with many subprime lenders that were engaged in predatory lending practices. Several state legislatures, including New York's, enacted laws aimed at curbing such practices.

What did the Bush administration do in response? Did it reverse course and decide to take action to halt this burgeoning scourge? As Americans are now painfully aware, with hundreds of thousands of homeowners facing foreclosure and our markets reeling, the answer is a resounding no.

Not only did the Bush administration do nothing to protect consumers, it embarked on an aggressive and unprecedented campaign to prevent states from protecting their residents from the very problems to which the federal government was turning a blind eye.

Let me explain: The administration accomplished this feat through an obscure federal agency called the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency (OCC). The OCC has been in existence since the Civil War. Its mission is to ensure the fiscal soundness of national banks. For 140 years, the OCC examined the books of national banks to make sure they were balanced, an important but uncontroversial function. But a few years ago, for the first time in its history, the OCC was used as a tool against consumers.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/13/
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Mission accomplished......not.


I do appreciate the extra refund checks he's giving out..


I hope you enjoy having less money next year at the same time, because that's where it's coming from.
 exodusi1

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If George W bush is doing so bad why is the economy doing so good?
Posted: 5/3/2008 10:43:57 PM
Welcome to the forum. . . you have some company, there are a number of those who fall into the 20-23% who still think Shrub is doing a bang up job!
 bob0colo

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If George W bush is doing so bad why is the economy doing so good?
Posted: 5/3/2008 11:29:46 PM


I want to know why the Democrats who promised us lower gas prices last fall haven't delivered.. The mortgage debacle was not Bush's fault but he's getting blamed for it of course. I do appreciate the extra refund checks he's giving out..



We are all waiting for the Cheney Energy policy...

Remember when Kenny Boy Lay helped with the ground work.....

Modeled after Enron.. Power shortages, rolling blackouts and Soaring Prices....
Those meetings and attendees are Top Secret so we won’t know exactly how this is going to help us ...

We were lucky to have the regulatory review of banking , that happens every ten years, under Cheney/Bush.....

I am impressed with SI Bank & Trust, Staten Island, N.Y helping....

KInd of like Enron writing energy policy....

They didn’t fair too well ...




Wielding tree shears and a chainsaw, banking regulators and trade association officials took aim June 3 at a two-foot tall, 9,000-page stack of regulations that will be scrutinized as part of an interagency effort to cut red tape.

The act symbolically kicked off the once-a-decade review of federal regulations mandated by the Economic Growth and Regulatory Paperwork Reduction Act of 1996. The initiative was unveiled at a news conference hosted by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. and joined in by representatives of all five federal financial regulatory agencies plus industry trade associations
Poised for Pruning: America's Community Bankers second Vice Chairman Harry Doherty (center) joined forces with banking regulators and trade association executives at a news conference to kick off the regulatory relief effort. Also on hand were (left to right) Office of Thrift Supervision Director James Gilleran; James McLaughlin of the American Bankers Association; FDIC Vice Chairman John Reich; and Kenneth Guenther of the Independent Community Bankers of America.

America's Community Bankers pledged its support for the effort. "Reducing the regulatory burden will free up funds for our institutions to invest in our communities and better serve our customers' financial needs," said Harry Doherty, ACBs second vice chairman, and chairman and chief executive officer of $6.9 billion-asset SI Bank & Trust, Staten Island, N.Y

"We are calling on bankers to help us determine how to improve and streamline the regulatory process," Reich continued. "We are serious about this effort, we are committed to it, and we intend to achieve results." he said the three-year time frame would allow sufficient time to solicit "substantial and significant" input from bankers as well as consumer groups and other interested parties.








3 execs step down from SI Bank & Trust
by Staten Island Advance
Monday April 07, 2008, 9:45 PM

Three top executives of SI Bank & Trust, a division of Sovereign Bank, have resigned amid mounting pressure on all employees to generate product sales to combat stock losses....................

The top-level departures are a sign that regional banks -- not just Wall Street investment giants -- are feeling the pressure of the mortgage crisis. It's also an indicator that one of the borough's most provincial lenders, the 144-year-old SI Bank & Trust, may be losing its small-town touch. ................
One executive in particular, Frank Besignano, has been the public face of SI Bank & Trust ............
Forbes reported earlier this year that Sovereign wrote down $1.4 billion in value during the fourth quarter of 2007,
 studebaker_hawk

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Posted: 5/4/2008 5:53:49 PM

Because American politicians have essentially zero to do with world market oil prices ?


You are wrong about this. The budget deficit creates more dollars but the pie doesnt get any bigger. Thus the US dollar is worth less and commodities cost more dollars to buy.
 u4memaybe

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Posted: 5/30/2008 8:53:03 PM
Because American politicians have essentially zero to do with world market oil prices ?

This maybe a true statement, unless your personel business just happens to be in oil, and you the leader of the free world. With enough influence over other politicians to have them change thier voteing standards to your favor.
 LoonyTunz

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Posted: 5/31/2008 3:23:20 PM

I want to know why the Democrats who promised us lower gas prices last fall haven't delivered..

You do know what a "pocket veto" is right? I'm not even American and I remember that.


Because American politicians have essentially zero to do with world market oil prices ?

Refusal to regulate oil future speculation funds has EVERYTHING to do with world market oil prices. Otherwise since the current supply exceeds the demand prices should be falling.
 lafenmom

Joined: 3/13/2008
Msg: 563
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Posted: 5/31/2008 5:13:49 PM
Here we go... I'm going to be the flammed yet again..BUT

I'm glad the price of oil is high - when I was in Ireland they were paying 6punts/liter - close to what, $8 for a gallon? And they heard us complaining about $2.50. Anyway...

We're finally paying attention to developing alternative fuels. It will take us a while to get it right, but at least we've started. We're also starting to pay attention to the cost of shipping - which has us reading about where our food is coming from, how we have so little physical goods actually produced in the US, etc. etc. etc.

Of course, I keep my house at 58 degrees in the winter, don't use A/C at home, use extra blankets, and take mass transit while my 4-cyl car sits in the driveway.

I does bug the crap outta me that ExxonMobil is posting record profits though. But what do you do?
 grog27

Joined: 2/25/2005
Msg: 564
If George W bush is doing so bad why is the economy doing so good?
Posted: 5/31/2008 10:18:31 PM
"The mortgage debacle was not Bush's fault but he's getting blamed for it of course. I do appreciate the extra refund checks he's giving out.."

Oh dear! Looks like your day-pass has expired! There's the bus outside, ready to take you back to your 'room' at the "State Home for the Easily Duped."
 readyornot57

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Posted: 6/1/2008 5:01:23 AM
It is hard to keep the economy on track while wiping out social programs and fighting useless wars and handing out corporate welfare, isn't it?
 oneintx

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Posted: 6/19/2008 5:29:32 AM
Doug, I will make you a HUGE promise. I can promise you, that no matter how much money you make, it will NEVER trickle down to me or anyone else here. And if you think that we are not being taxed enough, please feel free to write an extra check to the government to "help" it out. And the national security issue. Last time i looked, we have NOT been attacked over here in the states again. I would much rather be fighting over there, than having our women and children fighting over here. Maybe ol George aint as freakin dumb as the many "libs" think he is. Just my humble opinion!! lol
 oneintx

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Posted: 6/19/2008 5:36:40 AM
I just love the comments from our Canadien friends.

Because American politicians have essentially zero to do with world market oil prices ?

hmmmm...but still Bush and Cheney are to blame?..Please..get it right..make up your mind. You can't have it both ways...Why is education wasted on the lib's?...lmao
 gtomustang

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Posted: 6/19/2008 5:44:13 AM
1) If we are fighting the terrorists over there, then why do we keep arresting people here every time the gov't gets into hot water over a news story? either those arrests aren't warranted, or....

2) 9/11 was not a normal event. Considering it normal, and a lack of attacks being abnormal, reverses things. Not being attacked is a normal situation. Having 9/11 occur when the administration was warned, in a paper titled, "Bin Ladin determined to strike the U.S.", is an abnormal situation.

3)why is it that all those attacks in Iraq aren't considered terrorism on U.S. citizens? Aren't we fighting terrorists over there? If its war, then the detainees are POW's, not any other catagorization.

4) Congress did influence our recent oil prices...in December of 2000, when it passed the Enron loophole, allowing for freer trade of oil prices. who ran the Congress back then?

5) If someone would rather be fighting in Iraq, why aren't they already there? Halliburton will accept them, and they can physically support the war they verbally support...and make a tax free income at the same time. Its a win-win...isn't it?
 CharlesEdm

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Posted: 6/19/2008 5:50:15 AM
I'd like to point out that I started my high fiber diet on sept 12, 2001. Considering that no further attack occured on American soil after I made this change, I believe I deserve credit for defending the united states from terrorist attacks due to my regular bowel movements.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_hoc_ergo_propter_hoc


Post hoc ergo propter hoc, Latin for "after this, therefore because (on account) of this", is a logical fallacy (of the questionable cause variety) which states, "Since that event followed this one, that event must have been caused by this one." It is often shortened to simply post hoc and is also sometimes referred to as false cause, coincidental correlation or correlation not causation. It is subtly different from the fallacy cum hoc ergo propter hoc, in which the chronological ordering of a correlation is insignificant.


The Republicans were in power before september 11th, that didn't stop septemember 11th, they were in power after september 11th, they can't really get credit for stopping further attacks.

More likely there were other causes. (perhaps my lack of high fiber diet)

But more seriously, the economy is in shambles, and the original poster who started this thread so long ago doesn't really look so bright these days.
 TheStefano

Joined: 6/15/2008
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Posted: 6/19/2008 7:44:38 AM
The Bush administration DID have a few things to do with the mortage crisis.

http://www.gregpalast.com/elliot-spitzer-gets-nailed/

It's a tangled web we weave.
 Happy Camper 2008

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Posted: 9/22/2008 9:25:36 PM
Just my opinion, of course....although there are many others who would agree...

It makes no difference who is the decider guy/dude/dudette. When it's time for the economy to crash the economy, like magic, will crash.

Of course magic is nothing more than a thing which is not understood by the intended victims. Thousands of years ago what we now call science was called magic when used to trick others, and the priests of those days used that magic--science which they did not allow the commoners to have knowlege of--to control the people.

The same thing is happening today--always has and, it seems, always will. We just no longer call them--those withholding knowledge from us so that they can take advantage of us--"priests".
 serendipiteee

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Posted: 9/22/2008 9:56:06 PM
Just not my opinion, but I am in total agreement...

Editorial
Mr. McCain and the Economy
Published: September 16, 2008 NYT

"John McCain spent Monday claiming as he had countless times before — that the economy was fundamentally sound. Had he missed the collapse of Lehman Brothers or the sale of Merrill Lynch, which were announced the day before? Did he not notice the agonies of the American International Group? Was he unaware of the impending layoffs of tens of thousands of Wall Street employees on top of the growing numbers of unemployed workers throughout the United States?

On Tuesday, he clarified his remarks. The clarification was far more worrisome than his initial comments.

He said that by calling the economy fundamentally sound, what he really meant was that American workers are the best in the world. In the best Karl Rovian fashion, he implied that if you dispute his statement about the economy’s firm foundation, you are, in effect, insulting American workers. “I believe in American workers, and someone who disagrees with that — it’s fine,” he told NBC’s Matt Lauer.

Let’s get a few things straight. First, no one who is currently running for president does not “believe in American workers.”

More to the point, the economy is stressed to the breaking point by fundamental problem - in housing, finance, credit, employment, health care and the federal budget — that have been at best neglected, at worst exacerbated during the Bush years. And as a result, American workers have taken a beating.


In clarifying his comments, Mr. McCain lavished praise on workers, but ignored their problems. That is the real insult.

For decades, typical Americans have not been rewarded for their increasing productivity with comparably higher pay or better benefits. The disconnect between work and reward has been especially acute during the Bush years, as workers’ incomes fell while corporate profits, which flow to investors and company executives, ballooned. For workers, that is a fundamental flaw in today’s economy. It is grounded in policies like a chronically inadequate minimum wage and an increasingly unprogressive tax system, for which Mr. McCain offers no alternatives.

As for Wall Street, Mr. McCain blamed the meltdown on “unbridled corruption and greed.” He called for a commission to find out what happened and propose solutions. His diagnosis and his cure are misguided. The crisis on Wall Street is fundamentally a failure to do the things that temper, detect and punish corruption and greed. It was a failure to police the markets, to enforce rules, to heed and sound warnings and expose questionable products and practices.

The regulatory failure is rooted in a markets-are-good-government-is-bad ideology that has been ascendant as long as Mr. McCain has been in Washington and championed by his own party.
If Mr. McCain adheres to some other belief system, we would like to hear about it."

"If you 'deregulated' life on the streets we would have looting, vandalism, etc. ... We're surprised that there's chaos on Wall Street?"
Michael R., Downeast Maine

McCain 2008
from the frying pan (the syntax mangling "decider") to the fire (the decrepit "deregulator")

 blakeman1973

Joined: 8/11/2008
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Posted: 9/22/2008 10:16:18 PM
I guess the op is either out of touch like John"insane in tha membrane"Mccain if you think our economy is fine,either that or your a millionare
 cncgandolf

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If George W bush is doing so bad why is the economy doing so good?
Posted: 9/22/2008 11:52:05 PM
"For decades, typical Americans have not been rewarded for their increasing productivity with comparably higher pay or better benefits. The disconnect between work and reward has been especially acute during the Bush years, as workers’ incomes fell while corporate profits, which flow to investors and company executives, ballooned. For workers, that is a fundamental flaw in today’s economy. It is grounded in policies like a chronically inadequate minimum wage and an increasingly unprogressive tax system, for which Mr. McCain offers no alternatives."

Thank you ... worth repeating. All of the improvements in efficiencies accomplished by workers have not rewarded workers. All the increases in profits as a result of the efficiencies goes to immorally high CEO and Top Management Team / Board's pay/packages. Dare the worker not increase efficiencies or not work 60 hour week's for 40 hour pay the gods of industry will threaten them with more outsourcing to foreign countries.

Speaking personally, in the last 10 years I have to do nearly double the work for the same pay.... good thing I am more efficient and have overtime available.
 angelsands

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Posted: 9/23/2008 6:07:15 AM
To the OP... hHUUHHH????... You are kidding right.. ?? the question is a joke, right...?? right..??
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