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As for "perfect idiot", well, what can I say - stupid is as stupid does. Just shows that you don't need to be a genius or even a decent human being to post on here. you don't even have to be kind or intelligent.
Well, you certainly have my number, Welsh.
I apologize for my brusque and insensitive post. It's true: I should have a muzzle.
But really, if you close your heart to protect yourself, you close your heart to everything good as well. | |
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| Celibacy - a more common choice than people admit?
Posted: 1/4/2012 4:34:28 AM |
I apologize for my brusque and insensitive post.
Opening or closing my heart does not have to involve having sex with anyone.
I love a few different people but I have no intention of having sex with them.
And yes, some of them are females my age.
I also accept your apology
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Posted: 1/4/2012 7:24:41 AM |
Anyway, I'm a happier man and I can much better enjoy the company of women. Goingto dances, I have had a few that would like to come home with me, but I very nicely tell them that I came to the dance alone and I will be going home alone.
So at 59 years of age, sex is just something that I did when I was a younger man.
19 years, and when I get to twenty, I'll stop counting.
Wow do not often read of a man that has been celibate that long a time.. The longest for me was 14 years and presently am into for another 5.. You may never hit the 20 Isay that because why limit yourself to the possibility.. I just think you have yet to meet the one that turns you around.. At least that is what my hopes are..
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Posted: 1/4/2012 1:17:30 PM | | celibacy should be used to cultivate deep meaningful relationships....even married people need to have times of celibacy...celibacy prevents one from a false sensation of love, and if one can control their sexual urges, than they won't use their partner for that satisfaction. In our culture, we us the other as a tool for masturbation, and not as a person who deserves unconditional love. Sex doesn't make us love one another more, in fact we can actually lose respect for the one were with. That is why so many leave a relationship after they have become intimate. Its funny that most , if not all divorced people, have had premarital sex...ironic, isn't it... | |
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Posted: 1/4/2012 3:55:41 PM |
celibacy should be used to cultivate deep meaningful relationships....even married people need to have times of celibacy..
Indeed it is a state of love and not lust... That is not to say that you cannot experience lust and love with the same person. However they are two very different emotions.
In our culture, we us the other as a tool for masturbation, and not as a person who deserves unconditional love. Sex doesn't make us love one another more, in fact we can actually lose respect for the one were with. That is why so many leave a relationship after they have become intimate.
The above paragraph I am trying to understand.. Are you trying to say once you engage in sex you cannot have unconditional love? I certainly understand that sex does not make us love one another more because it is a different emotion than lust.. By those moments should dance between one and the other..
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Posted: 1/4/2012 4:11:38 PM |
Quite simply, I'm not into being hurt again. By keeping the steel gate locked,
getting hurt again just is not possible.
"And a rock feels no pain
And an island never
cries." (P. Simon)
You deserve a heck of a lot of credit: you know yourself, and you're upfront about who you are and what you need. Honestly? I sure hope not to spend another 14 years without One Good Guy to rock my world (and my bed. . . and the carpet in the family room. . . and the. . . ).
But if i don't have the good fortune to find him, so be it. I'll never, however, keep the steel gate locked. Because I know only too well what I've been missing this past half decade!
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Posted: 1/4/2012 5:33:55 PM | Well put. And the quote from Paul Simon's "I Am A Rock" was something I was thinking, too, reading these posts.
To each their own, of course, but for me, I will never lock that gate. I was fortunate enough to have had a wonderful husband, who succumbed to cancer and other illnesses. But there may be another wonderful guy out there for me (and me for him). If I find him, fabulous! If not, at least I'll be open to the possibility. | |
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Posted: 1/4/2012 6:30:58 PM | ^^^^ Gwendolyn, I suspect that what is 'natural' for one person may not be natural for another, for whatever reason. Also, choice comes into play.
There is no one right way to live a life. Each life offers its own opportunities for self-expression, experiencing, exploring, but again, we get to pick and choose which opportunities we partake in.
At least, that's my take on it. | |
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Posted: 1/4/2012 7:06:38 PM | food, water, shelter, sex are the top of the human hierarchy (in that order pretty much)
once those needs are secured (which is an ongoing process) but once those needs are no longer a struggle and are somewhat fixed for us, there is a need for self actualization, which is where i think so many of us are.
kaylee
not to say they cannot all work or don't work in tandem, but we are then afforded the luxury of realigning our priorities/needs.
at 60 i have had enough sex to last a lifetime if i could never have it again.
i have enjoyed sex in a loving relationship. i no longer want sex for the sake of physical satisfaction, it has to be wrapped in a relationship now.
and i am also on a journey of self actualization that i could not travel in the same way as i do now when i was a younger woman with children and spouse.
life is good because i am good with me, and good with the things i am focused on. | |
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Posted: 1/4/2012 7:23:47 PM | Msg 245
Quite simply, I'm not into being hurt again. By keeping the steel gate locked,
getting hurt again just is not possible.
All I can say,
Better to have loved and have lost some, than to give it up | |
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Posted: 1/4/2012 8:09:34 PM |
Gwendolyn, I suspect that what is 'natural' for one person may not be natural for another, for whatever reason. Also, choice comes into play.
I can understand physical reasons why people are celibate, but that is less than a "choice" but what "nature" has dealt them. Catholic priests choose to be celibate, but we have seen time after time the grief that choice has brought to them, and it is not just in modern times that this has been so.
IF person is healthy and his/her sex drive is not affected by physical (or mental) obstacles, again, I can't see why anyone would "choose" to be celibate and give up sex as a deliberate measure instead of circumstance.
Of course, celibacy doesn't rule out masturbation, so I suppose celibate people still have a measure of sexual satisfaction. | |
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Posted: 1/4/2012 9:09:43 PM | no, i don't think it is necessarily a medical or physical condition.
some are born with a lower libido and live quite happily. that is the natural level of hormones or mix for their bodies. at least that is what i think.
now, it is another thing if someone has had a higher libido, hormone levels change, and the libido falls, and they are unhappy with the change.
i have always had a high libido, and totally enjoy sex, but without the right partner and no desire to seek out the wrong partner or obsess about the absence of sex in my life, i have shifted some gears to enjoy other things in the interim. if in fact this is an interim.
i would welcome sex and break the celibacy if the interim passes............grin
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Posted: 1/5/2012 8:41:49 AM | I still think there is a difference between "celibate" and "going without while waiting for the right partner to come along". To me celibacy is a lifestyle choice made by priests or for some other (to me) weird reason. I have not had an intimate relationship for some time yet I don't consider myself "celibate".
And as for finding the right/perfect/made for me/not gonna do it with every Tom, Dyck and Harry attitude - I understand this but there is also not a damn thing wrong with a mutually satisfying romp in the hay with someone who will do for now or the moment. We're all adults. Sex is a wonderful thing when enjoyed between two folks in love and it can also be a hell of a lot of fun between two adults who respect each other...for the moment.
And as for high/low libido - I want to know this before hand. If you don't match me - we don't match. I'm not going to spend the rest of my life hoping he'll match my level and vice versa. It ain't gonna work.
I'm not celibate - I'm on hiatus. | |
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Posted: 1/5/2012 10:04:26 AM | welsh,
agree about the match on libido
and also agree on the respectful, consenting adults thing. just not what i want right now.
celibate really means abstaining from sex (usually for religious reasons) , but not limited to those reasons, but it was interesting to know that in the far past anyone who wasn't married was celibate. i guess that was when people only had sex within a marriage.
i agree, celibate or hiatus, both indicate not getting any right now to me.........
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Posted: 1/5/2012 10:19:30 AM | | I did have a discussion with a forum friend regarding "lack o nookie" and we determined that when you reach a certain period of time without any - we should market ourselves as "born again virgins". I'm thinking it shoud be a 2 year limit without and then I get my virgin status back. Might be a good marketing tool...or maybe not. | |
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Posted: 1/5/2012 4:12:26 PM | | Gads! If that was true, I'd be a long-time 'born again' virgin. Been somewhere between 5 and 6 years, and before that once every year or two for a few years. The marriage vows should be changed to "in sickness and in health, and in celibacy, if it comes to that" (wry grin). | |
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Posted: 1/5/2012 7:26:20 PM | Celibacy sucks.. for sure
but it isnt about LIBIDO!
when i have sex.. i have LOTS of sex.. when i dont.. i have none.. just like that.
Ive determined that sex is what sucks me into the BAD relationships that ive had..
its like a drug.. and im snorting it.. SO.. i will not have sex again.. till i meet someone actually worthwhile.. screw it.. no FWB's.. nadda..
I am so sick of the passing of boyfriends.. that i refuse it! | |
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Posted: 1/5/2012 9:51:30 PM | ^^^^^^I agree Debbie
and its nice to see your picture back up.
I dont consider myself celibate in between boyfreinds.
Its just that I wait for the "right " man to come along into my life
before I have sex. and I could go years without meeting him.
come to think of it, I have made a few mistakes, since the "right" one
has never appeared. I only thought he did. lol
Cupid keeps missing. | |
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Posted: 1/6/2012 10:03:17 AM |
IF person is healthy and his/her sex drive is not affected by physical (or mental) obstacles, again, I can't see why anyone would "choose" to be celibate and give up sex as a deliberate measure instead of circumstance.
I can see why there maybe times one elects to remain celibate for long periods of time. I know after my first husband passed away my focus was elsewhere on raising the children and making sure I was making a good living to support them..
For others it could be a psychological edge, personal empowerment or perhaps a connection to a higher purpose in life..
A yogic discipline of brahmacharya (sexual restraint) is prescribed in the Yoga Sutras, an ancient text outlining an eight-fold path to spiritual enlightenment.
nativerock | |
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Posted: 1/6/2012 10:04:59 AM | Choice? Not mine! 
Some people never get tired of the chase. For others there comes a time we want to stop and smell the roses. If someone's going to make me run after them at this age, I guess it is my choice to tell them to run along ahead and to wait for someone who's going to walk with me. | |
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