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Posted: 12/7/2006 12:40:37 PM | jason, you might agree with me on this.......the pledge of allegience in schools were not soley regarding "god" and had nothing to do with prayer or anything in that matter. the american flag is that of the united states of america. the pledge of allegience represents the freedom which our country brings forth to us......when they say "god" it's not pertaining to one god but those of many with everyone's beliefs. as for the 10 commandments, that is from the bible but yet it may be worded differently in others as well. worded differently but with the same reasoning. where prayers in schools are concerned, i haven't experienced that since kindergarden during snack time and it was just a "thank you" for our snacks, there was never any mention of "god" from what i can remember.
as for smoking......where the government is concerned, they are trying to take away our rights as smokers, just as they did with freedom of speech. now with that, they call that slander. there are many other things that our government has taken away from us but there are too many people that tend to turn the other cheek. it was okay for some to smoke back then and since they quit, they had their fun now they're turning against something that they once did. eventually the government is going to make 1 wrong move then be ran out of office. hopefully the people would start standing up for their rights that we had been given many years ago.
they have choice for abortion, a couple has the choice on getting married, a person has a choice to go into an establishment where cigarette smoking is allowed.
i also agree with misty....there are pollutants in the air that's destroying the ozone and it's not directly pointed to smoking. why doesn't the government and the people start complaining about that instead of smoking. i would like to think that the factories destroying the ozone layer is a much better topic to talk about and the bars and such should also start focussing on that as well. maybe things would be done about that. | |
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Posted: 12/7/2006 6:45:33 PM | bars & restaurant smoking for smokers Big sign out front we love smokers if You dont stay out. Thats what im saying. Im saying anyone should be alowed to open such places as long as its know to be such a place. & I belive in = rights for all people. I f they can say no smoking here i wont smoke there. So why cant I have a place that is for smokers.
By the way God guns & guts made america lets keep them all here. | |
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Posted: 12/8/2006 2:14:13 AM | hey candance , nooooo it aint. now you wanna talk about somethin that makes insurance skyrocket--- ill tell ya bout it --- fat asses and pregnancy. where my ol lady works, they got crappy insurance and my ol lady pays out the ass fer it. all the damn twinkie eatin' fat asses sittin at their comps doin lines of cookies while takin calls, blow up like lard ballons till some jackass doctor tells em their disgusting ass is gonna die if they dont get their somtach stapled or their throat sewed to their shitter or whatever. then you got the preggo chicks....well god bless em and i hope they gotta man to father that youngin. ill not say notihin agin'em. they are however , hell on insurance. so if you wanna keep your insurance premiums down, KEEP CHICKS AND FAT PEOPLE OUT OF THE WORK PLACE.where i work seventy-five to eighty percent of the field hands smoke and about ninety percent use tobacco of some sort, but we work too hard to get fat and we aint got lotsa chicks.
our insurance is pretty ****in good and pretty ****in cheap. stfu and lemme smoke | |
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Posted: 12/8/2006 5:33:16 AM |
well martha, that leaves about 85% of the bars open for business........... to the old prudes
Ponygirl, if you were referring to me as a prude, if you're able to put the words and sentences together to explain that to me, I'd be interested.
Noting that you, Martha, do not need "that smoke diverted" by me, I'll vouch no woman dancing with a kilted man is a prude, 'specially not with high heeled sneakers.
Slightly back on topic,, folks if you think banning smoking is bad, can you imagine being breathalized in bars before being sold your next drink? Or should that start another thread, another day? | |
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Posted: 12/10/2006 10:32:43 PM | Hey, guys! Sorry I've been MIA a few days. My phone & internet service were down til I finally discovered that my answering machine died and screwed up my line connections. Whew! Was having withdrawal symptoms, incommunicado like that! Glad I figured it out myself instead of having Verizon charge me $192 for a service call.
Anyway, I won't even try to get all caught up on the thread here except for the following:
ICanDance, baby, we're on! I like your style! Thanks for moral support. Jose Feliciano sang about the High Heeled Sneakers, I think in the late sixties. Might've been a cover of an earlier Motown song...
Sheesh, Micro, we actually AGREE on a thing or two! Pretty scary!
Mystical said:
So I suggest Micro or anyone who agrees w/ him go find some Cave somewhere in Crawel in2 it Sorry, friend, the local caves are occupied by HardHat and his Neanderthal buddies. Sh*t, now the jerk's bashing on fat chicks. There are other threads for that, or there used to be more, right Jason? At any rate, the fat chick's cookies aren't harming anybody's health but her own, no matter how close you sit to her in the office. As for pregnant women causing healthcare costs to rise, well, duh... Yeah, I guess, having babies is unhealthy? I guess... Duh... Should we have ordinances against working women having babies so the insurance companies can afford to cover HardHead's, I mean HardHat's smoking-related illnesses? By the way, diamonds have never impressed me as much as intelligence and fidelity. But I can imagine the ol' lady would prefer going down where she does to dig for diamonds, as opposed to having to suffer the dragon-breath ashtray-tongue. 
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The tobacco war isn't over yet in Allegheny County. I'm pasting an excerpt from The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette below:
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Two Downtown restaurant owners sue Allegheny County over smoking ban
Fighting to keep smokers puffing
Thursday, December 07, 2006
By Gabrielle Banks, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
Among the lunch crowd at Mitchell's Bar & Restaurant, Downtown, loyal patrons know they can have a smoke with their beer or burger without anyone flashing them a nasty look.
It was no different yesterday at 2:30 p.m. as 15 regulars lingered at a reserved table, celebrating the holidays, teasing friends, sipping****ails and puffing on cigars.
James G. Mitchell would like his family's 100-year-old restaurant to stay that way. So, together with his lifelong friend, John Petrolias, owner of the Smithfield Cafe at 639 Smithfield St., Mr. Mitchell sued Allegheny County and Chief Executive Dan Onorato this week, requesting an injunction to halt an ordinance that bans smoking in restaurants, taverns and social clubs with 10 or more employees. It is set to take effect Jan. 2.
Common Pleas Judge Michael A. Della Vecchia fast-tracked the case, calling for a pretrial conference yesterday morning, less than a day after the restaurant owners filed the lawsuit. He set a trial date for Dec. 18 and asked the attorneys to file briefs next week.
The restaurant owners are not seeking monetary compensation, but rather claiming the ban would cause "irreparable harm" to their businesses.
"We do what the customers want, not what some politician wants. This is a free country, this is free enterprise," said Mr. Petrolias, 70, who owns the 280-seat Smithfield Cafe and has worked there since he was 8.
Mitchell's patron Joseph Skundrich, a 56-year-old carpenter from Lawrenceville, said he applauded the lawsuit. He smokes 21/2 packs a day and thinks it's easier for nonsmokers to "put up with a little bit of smoke" in the nonsmoking section than for smokers to quit.
"The policy behind [the ban] is good public policy," said county Solicitor Michael H. Wojcik. "It's appropriate to protect workers' health and restaurant patrons' health by banning smoking.
"The judge has to decide whether Allegheny County has the power to pass its own smoking ban or whether that power is exclusively the state's," he said.
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| Philadelphia Smoking Ban in Bars and Clubs
Posted: 12/11/2006 10:31:22 AM | | I agree about that as well I am not from Philadelphia, but I go to school and live on campus in Youngstown, OH. They have passed a ban on smoking in public places. I think that they are doing worse then good. Here is the problem I went to Bufflo Wild Wings near campus and the Ohio State football game was on and there was no one in the bar at all, usually during those big games the place is packed and you can't find a seat if you wanted to. This new ban on smoking is killing businesses!!! I understand that people don't like to have smoke around well if people are outside it is there right to smoke plus you can see them smoking before you get near so my question to everyone is why did you even attempt to keep walking near that person. Also most people know that bars are areas where people smoke and most places post that on their doors or something to notify you. It was your freedom of choice to enter a place that you knew there would be someone smoking there. But then you turn around and get all pissy about it even though you were fully aware of the situation. I hate people like that. My dad is a smoker and he is harmless he will not smoke around you if you kindly ask him not to even in his own house. They are not the worst people in world but we seem to be discrimnating against them thinking that they are monsters or something. | |
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Posted: 12/11/2006 10:57:40 AM | | when i'm walking with someone that doesn't smoke and i have a cigarette in my hand, it's always away from the non smoker. nor did i or do i blow smoke in anyone's face. i always turn my head for that brief second. i never had any problems with that. the problem that i do have are the ex smoker's and the non smoker's with their preaching. the more people do things that i don't like the more i tend to do things that they don't like. my pop used to get on my sh*t about a lot of things when i was younger....the more he was riding my a$$ about things, the less likely things would get done. | |
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Posted: 12/11/2006 12:20:59 PM |
This new ban on smoking is killing businesses!!!
Heather,
I agree with you. I really DO think the ban is killing business. However, and this is something that just about EVERYONE who has an issue with this fails to realize, is that the ban wasn't instituted so much for the benefit of the non-smoking patrons, as it was for the non-smoking employees. When I go into a bar, I KNOW I will be sitting in a place where people are smoking. I don't have a problem with that (because it is my choice), except for one or two very selfish people. For example, last week, I walked into a bar to play trivia and have a few beers. I sat in a place where there were three empty bar stools on each side of me. A few minutes later, a young girl came in with her friend, and they both lit up. The gal sitting right next to me (on my right) was turned away from me, and she was talking to her friend. But she held her cigarette in her left hand, as far away from her as she could, practically under my nose. So I grabbed one of those big menus, and started fanning the smoke back in her direction. She didn't like that too much. She turned to me and said, "Oh, I'm sorry. Is this the NON-SMOKING section???
After she got up off the floor... just kidding, That was my mind, racing forward.
So you have to admit... once in awhile, you will get an inconsiderate moronette to harm your cause. I wouldn't go so far as to call it discrimination, but yes, some of them really are monsters.. like that young (pardon the expression) BITCH. | |
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Posted: 12/11/2006 6:54:24 PM | when a person starts fanning the smoke back to the smoker it's pretty much showing that the can be ignorant as well. you could have atleast asked her if she can please hold the cigarette in her other hand or away from you or either of you could have moved away from the other.
can i ask you a question though micro?
how is it that a big trivia machine in front of you would allow someone to have their hand with a cigarette in it right in front of your face? the last time i checked, there was atleast 6" from the front of the screen to the end of the bar and if you had your arm there playing the game and with a drink in front of you, how would she have room to put her arm there? | |
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Posted: 12/11/2006 8:11:30 PM | Micro,
Funny you shold envision decking the moronette ( very catchy word!), , this reminds me of a lecture from a class on rights. The point of it was that everyone's right to throw a punch ends at the recipient's nose. The analogy being that her right to smoke the air also ends at your nose. I'm only half-heartedly joking each time I say it, but there's money to be made in air filtration. Let 'em smoke, so long as they keep their smoke to themselves, and sign away their privileges to smoke related health-care.
"Patches for sale,, get your patches,, get 'em while they're hot!"
And as for business being down, fear not , the clientelle will return as soon as they get tired of TV dinners. Remember, besides drinking and smoking , they go to avoid cooking.They'll find ways to get their nicotine. | |
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Posted: 12/11/2006 9:10:20 PM |
when a person starts fanning the smoke back to the smoker it's pretty much showing that the can be ignorant as well.
How do you figure? That's just like blowing smoke in someone's face. I was just trying to make her understand how she was making me feel. She could have at least tried to keep the smoke to the space she was occupying, instead of sharing it with me.
how is it that a big trivia machine in front of you would allow someone to have their hand with a cigarette in it right in front of your face? the last time i checked, there was atleast 6" from the front of the screen to the end of the bar and if you had your arm there playing the game and with a drink in front of you, how would she have room to put her arm there?
It's not the BIG trivia machines you're thinking of. They are little things that look like label makers. The questions come up on the TV. | |
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Posted: 12/11/2006 9:15:06 PM |
Funny you shold envision decking the moronette ( very catchy word!), ,
Thank you. You are free to use it. 
I wasn't envisioning DECKING her... I was envisioning BACKHANDING her... although, of course, I would never hit a female. I wouldn't even have hit a GUY for THAT. But it was running through my mind, and I was entertained by that.
It wasn't because of the smoking, either. It was because of her sharp mouth. I get to imagine ANYTHING I want, as long as I keep it in my brain, right? | |
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Posted: 12/12/2006 10:34:42 AM | to my knowledge, the last time i seen a bar top trivia game it's about the size of a 17 inch computer monitor.
as for being ignorant to fanning the smoke back over to her, it would have been just as easy for you to come out and ask her if she can please control the smoke from the cigarette. it's ignorant of a person to do something out of spite instead of coming right out and saying or asking something. | |
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Posted: 12/12/2006 2:08:15 PM |
it would have been just as easy for you to come out and ask her if she can please control the smoke from the cigarette.
It may have, but with her attitude, I doubt if it would have done any good. After all, it WASN'T the non-smoking section.
the last time i seen a bar top trivia game it's about the size of a 17 inch computer monitor
When you get a chance, go into Michael's Inn in Port Carbon, or Damon's in Hazleton, or RC's in Hegins, and ask for a NTN Trivia box, or playmaker, as they're usually called. 'Tis lots of fun! | |
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Posted: 12/12/2006 10:53:19 PM | ok micro.........did she have the attitude before or after you started fanning the smoke. if i'm not mistaken you said that you started fanning the smoke back to her then she said about the non-smoking section. all you had to do right from the beginning was kindly ask her to switch hands with the cigarette since the smoke was bothering you.
as for going into bars.........i don't do that. i go to the woodlands (clubs) in wilkes barre. i enjoy going to clubs rather than going to a corner bar.......i find it a much livelier and friendlier group of people there. besides, i'd much rather dance on a dance floor than dance on chairs.....or dance on a bar for that matter.................them days are way in the past. | |
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Posted: 12/14/2006 10:44:04 PM | Like I said in my earlier post it all boils down 2 losing more freedom, not the smoking!
Example.... the law use 2 say if ur drunk don't drive walk or take a Taxi ect!
Now the laws have changed 2 make more criminals out of ppl now by arresting them for public drunkeness, if they walk home..!!!!
Heck ur considered drunk on one or 2 drinks!!
What are u going to do when u lose ur job for cheaper labor, which is already happening??
Hell ur replaceable, they'll just hire foreignes who will work 4 less..!!
Where becoming a 3rd world country..!!!
Don't ever think ur job is sacred cause it's notttt!!!
Their trying 2 take guns away from everyone, I may not like guns but ppl have a rite 2 proect themselves, but now if an intruder breaks in ur home and u defend urself ur the perpertrator, not the victims....!
What are u going 2 do when the the law says only speak when we tell u 2...???
Or when were told we have to be in our homes by a certain time??
We are turning in 2 a communist country ppl wake up...!
Their's alot more other polluted air from Factories, cars, airesol runing the ozone layer then anything else!!
Smoking is not the issue, it's the choice of freedom!
Where headed for a revolutionaly war cause ppl are getting fed up!!
We need 2 vote all these a$$ holes outta of congress!
They give their selves huge raises, what do we get?? working more for slave wages!!
The more we give in the more we lose!! | |
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Posted: 12/15/2006 12:23:14 PM | Just a question is the government going to stop all smoking in casinos ????
Scranton just passed a no smoking ordance for all publick bars/ restrantants.
soon this will be every where . However, i'm willing to bet that 20 dollars most gamblers put into a slot. The no smoking rule wont apply to a casino. WHY? | |
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Posted: 12/15/2006 8:39:39 PM | I'm new, and not really sure how to do this forum thing, but we just had this huge debate at work today over the smoking bans and the fate of our country. There were alot of good points made. I feel that the direction of this country sucks. This country was founded on religion and the belief in a greater "something". We have taken prayers or mention of "God" in any way out of our schools and government, and what resulted from this...crime and greed, the loss of ethics and morals, and the ability to control the behaviors and attitudes of society as a whole. Great Job Guys! This country was supposed to be the place where you could come to escape persecution and prejudice. We have spent all of our time and efforts segregating ourselves from each other within our own land. We now have cities and towns with the chinese section, the black section, the white section, etc....and judge eath other accordingly, but as a section. The whites hate the blacks because the news showed a black robbing a bank, then the blacks hate the whites because the cop who shot the robber was white. We breed our own destiny here folks, and as long as we continue to call ourselves things such as african-american or chinese-american, our fate will continue to decline. WHEN will we see ourselves as ONE PEOPLE? A M E R I C A N S....plain and simple. When will we again teach our children not to hate others for ANY reason? When can we teach our kids that you are kind to people and caring of our environment because WE ALL HAVE TO LIVE HERE TOGETHER. And yes, I smoke, but I teach my kids NOT to. I pick up my butts, and don't smoke where others are eating....AND I DID IT BEFORE THEY PASSED ANY LAWS ABOUT IT!!!!!!! And how about an answer that helps all - smokers, non-smokers, and business owners alike... HOW ABOUT AIR PURIFICATION?!!!!?!? And guess what, it can kill alot of the germs and viruses that you can catch too. If they can do it it hospitals and industrial factories, etc. why can't they do it in bars and restaurants? And since the government is proposing the idea, why can't they offer loans and grants to the business owners. The air will be cleaned regardless of smoking, and the environment will be more pleasant and healthy, and the bar owners would not lose money, they could pay it in installments over ten years or something. Hasn't this idea occurred to anyone? All these politicians with their high falluting degrees and their bulging pockets and opinions.... why not just look at the issue, stop being so politically correct and corrupt, and solve the problem!!! Do what's best for ALL of us...all of us AMERICANS! Just one more food for thought... all you non-smokers complaining about the second hand smoke killing you....when was the last time you looked into the emissions from your car or your twenty year old heater? When was the last time you had chemlawn come and treat the lawn that your children play on? when was the last time you tested your home for radon? because ALL of the things I have mentioned are all correllated to the same types of cancer correlated to smoking...but you can't SEE those things, so you don't have an opinion about them. GET OFF YOUR HORSE, AND YOUR *SS- IF YOU'RE SO DETERMINED TO CARE, THEN CARE ABOUT ALL OF IT. 'CAUSE LET ME TELL YOU, OUR CARS AND OUR FOSSIL FUELS ARE GOING TO RUIN OUR EARTH AND ALL OF US FAR FASTER THAN SECOND HAND SMOKE WILL. sorry for the length of this, and thanks for reading.
BE AN AMERICAN...BE PROUD OF IT! | |
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