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| single mom with wiccan beliefs
Posted: 6/1/2005 5:14:34 PM | thanks to all you for thw wonderful support. its real sad but my computer has become my spouse lol. all is turning a year old on june 10...   so im reallt excited about that. My herb garden dieded..but allis flowers are almost as tall as she is lol, maybe i should let her plant my herb garden next year lol one of her favorite things to do is meditate with mommy before we go to bed. i lite insense and we sit on the bed..for maybe 30 seconds before she gose wild and snatches her books from the nite stand. anyway, those are just a few things that im trying with her. like you all said she needs to be exposed to different religions, so i take her to sunday school every week so she can make a mess with the finger paints. | |
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| single mom with wiccan beliefs
Posted: 3/23/2006 9:47:52 PM | By the way, I did read there was a boy scout/girl scout like organization but with a
Wiccan twist to it.. Check it out. | |
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| singavamp
Posted: 7/19/2006 4:07:48 PM | lol brit, have you ever notice it always starts witht hose gyptians...maybe they're the fall of christianity. thats how i became enamoured with other eligions, not justw icca, that was the one that spoke the loudest to me, but i fell in love with the egyptians and they're mythology and it just escaleted formt here. Allis discoveresd my books. Shes so smart, used to shed just take them off the shelf and chew and cumm em lol, now she knows what to dow ith them. she has seen mommy reading and i know she doesnt understand reading or the concept, but she takes the books of now and she can open them up and even turnt he pages. at night time i read her the books i read, right now im reading notrodamus..~cant spell~ and she is fasnated when i read to her. Some times i think she can even understand...maybe thats hoping too much lol...I guess i just miss having deep intellectual conversations. maybe by time she is three, we can discuss what we read...think? I also bought a really expensive hard copy of the grimms brothers. she loves the pics in those books.
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Guess again...
The Hebrews borrowed immensely from the Egyptian and the Babylonians.
If you read Proverbs, and if you have the writings of Amenemope, you will see it is almost a wrd for word copy. The Our Father is an ancient Eyptian prayer. Amen means Hidden One.
And a state god was later created: Amen Ra.
You have to remember Jesus and his parents fled to Heliopolis, Egypt. Heliopolis to the Greeks, On to the Hebrews, Anum to the Egyptions.
It is in this city that Jesus learned from scholarly Jews, visiting MAGI and the Egyptian Therapeutates (these people influenced the Essenes).
The original trinity was Osiris, Isis and Horus.
Makes you wonder Huh! | |
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| singavamp
Posted: 7/20/2006 1:26:11 PM | | if those are ur beliefs then why would she be too young to be exposed to them? other religions expose their children to theirs when they are first born. why would it be any different? | |
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| singavamp
Posted: 7/21/2006 6:40:32 PM | Ok so I've only read 2 pages not the whole thread. But here is my opinion just because I need to have my 2 cents or I wont sleep. Not just tonight. I mean forever.
I found that with children they are more interested in discovery. So rather than trying to make it clear to her that you are wiccan/pagan etc (I forget) you should just 'be'. Do the things you would normally do as you would normally do them. If she is curious then it will spark discussion. The influence of your family shouldn't matter as long as you make it clear to your child (without being overzellous) that its up to her.
Educate. Teach her about the different plants in your area, and maybe some of the folklore. Make a little fairy garden if thats your thing. Teach her to respect nature. Teach her to have an intrest in the world around her. Teach her to be open minded.
As far as the father goes if he becomes a problem make some anti-negativity charms/necklace etc if it makes you feel better. There really isn't "good" or "bad" "black" or "white" magick. If you know anything about paganism and the truth of nature you will recognize this. But if he does surround himself in chaos and whatnot it just means he is probably a lazy pagan and unbalanced. Shield yourself, duh.
Above all remember its not your choice what she will eventually belive in. Chances are if you try to force anything on her she will only resent you later in life. Kids who are raised to be critical thinkers have an edge on life I belive. Show your daughter what a strong independant woman you can be. Focus on the positive. Remember, your are not creating a "minnie-me". You are not Austin Power's arch nemesis. No matter what anyone tells you.
p.s. dont look down upon Christianity in front of your daughter. It would be a far better thing to show her an open mind than closed doors. | |
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| singavamp
Posted: 7/21/2006 6:42:00 PM | PoeticDreamer,
Stop killing your plants! LOL What kind of pagan routinly kills off her herbs? | |
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| singavamp
Posted: 9/19/2006 3:12:22 PM | | HI. I am wiccan and I am a nanny for a little 8 year old wiccan girl. Her mother is a wiccan priestess. She had a wiccaning cermony when her daughter was born and has made her coven open to all of the members children. She never "made" her daughter a witch and her daughter may one day (although I doubt it) decide wicca isn't right for her and move on to something else. But during this little girls entire life the mom made it known that she was wiccan and these are the ideas and values that mommy believes in. The little girl would ask questions and her mother answers them honestly. When I am a mother I will do the same thing. I do my thing and when my child is old enough to ask me what I am doing or what I believe I will answer honestly and leave it up to my child to decide what they believe. Does that make sense? By the way this child looooves wicca and all the children participate in coven ritual, it's beautiful to watch. | |
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| moonlight
Posted: 9/21/2006 1:50:25 AM | | i think u should let your child have her own beliefs, i mean obviously when she is old enough- be open about what u believe in, but i think she should be given the chioce to make up her own mind and find her own beliefs, children should not be forced in to having their parents beliefs, everyone has their own path to follow. | |
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| single mom with wiccan beliefs
Posted: 11/28/2006 10:24:20 PM | Why not begin by reading her stories? Celtic history was handed down for generations this way. I bet hearing your voice will soothe her a great deal as well.
Reading to your child as she grows up will prepare her mind to think outside of the box society tends to fall into. | |
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| single mom with wiccan beliefs
Posted: 11/29/2006 9:32:06 AM | Ok, So here's my tidbit...
being of the pagan persuation myself.
It's one thing to admit to being surrounded by chaos and negativity, it's quite another to claim 'dark magick'....
Magick (if you wish to spell it that way) is not light or dark, it simply is.
The kind of energy that people surround themselves with often has very little to do with their religion. If of course you are referring to cult behaviour then yes, it can have a lot to do with the energy that people have surrounded themselves with, but then a cult is not a religion...yet.
Besides which, anyone who claims to actually practice "dark magick" is kidding themselves. The term itself depicts a way for teenagers to stand out against their more than likely christian parents. They haven't a clue what they're talking about, but they know it'll piss off the parents so they do it just the same. Examples such as scenes in that Neve Campbell movie, whatever it was called, The Craft...I think, where the cause the mean girls hair to fall out... That simply does NOT happen in real life. Regardless of how much poetry one may recite, how many herbs one may scrunch up in a mixing bowl and burn...its not REAL, it's imaginary BS that people seem to confuse with a real faith.
That being said, subjecting any child to any religion at such an early age is NOT a good idea. The influences that kids have at that age are phenomenal, they suck everything up like a sponge and spit it out again whether they understand it or not.
If you want to explain to a 4 year old that everything has a soul, fine, that a child can grasp as long as you make it plain enough. The point that you should not hurt a tree for the sake of hurting a tree, fine, they get that.
But to try and explain the very real difference between practices such as meditation and standing on ceremony and what a lot of teenagers do called spells is considerably hard for even a teenager to grasp nevermind a toddler.
It drives me absolutely bonkers that people don't get the difference, assume it's all the same thing. Spellcasting and books of shadows in the modern sense is NOT what pagan faiths are about... absolutely not. Anyone who would argue that they are, I would think, has not endeavoured to research the traditional senses of these things. As such as not attained the understanding to speak to one effect or the other.
To explain the use of herbs to heal, or even to understand that in certain amounts they can harm...is something best left to an older child. Except of course to say "Stay away from that, it will hurt you... " if you're growing said plants in your home. Which, if not locked away from the child is completely irresponsible to begin with. Using said herbs to do either work is not considered a "spell" by any stretch, it is merely using plants as a form of medicine. It's called Herbology.
There are Christians who practice Herbology... so it is not singled out to earth based faiths, no it is a broad spectrum. Just because there was a time when anyone who knew a damn thing about it was hanged for heresy, does not mean that is the case in modern society. The lack of understanding that people seem to have on this point is astounding. It is considered now as early medicine, or in some circles alternative medicine... which would suggest right away that it is not singled out to earth based faiths.
All that being said, it is important for parents of ANY faith to introduce their children to as many faiths as possible. Encourage them to make up their OWN mind on the subject. Encourage a vast supply of knowledge on various beliefs...that way, nobody can claim that in later years they have not done their research and are unknowledgable.
Ok...I'm done ranting, for now. | |
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| single mom with wiccan beliefs
Posted: 12/17/2006 4:44:36 PM | Seems to me that alot of people relate to religion in different ways at different levels. Wholistic religions account for this, the idea of community and it's central significance, while others are more cultish and fixate on some specialized interest like spellcasting or converting outsiders.
For me, there is no problem introducing my son to our religion as a large portion of it exists "in the commons" and is about teaching values and identity. Our central form of worship is the sacral feast... which translates to a family get together and dinner with a "God" component. It doesn't require that he learn "magic", or proselytize, or take martial arts, or learn poetry, or study scripture, etc.
I feel that it is my obligation as a parent to instill values and beliefs, to teach them who they are and where they come from, and to give them a leg up on the big world that awaits them out there. If the lad choses to embrace some other beliefs when he is of age, that shall be his decision to make. I trust that whatever he does, he shall do so WELL and make me proud. However, if I neglect my parental responsibility, I should do so with the knowledge that there is a world of people out there ready to win converts on the cheap, and who feel it is their divine or humanitarian duty to instill their values and beliefs on everyone... our children included, like it or not.
Anyway, the OP said she has a herb garden? Well, how about involving your child in their planting, tending and harvesting? Just like a parent of old would involve there offsping in the "trade", perhaps teaching of it's religious value as they went along. It's natural for a child to take interest in what mom or dad do. Sure beats casting spells, something that is definitely not for everyone. But if it is for you offspring, they will have benefitted from the experience nevertheless. | |
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| single mom with wiccan beliefs
Posted: 12/25/2006 2:57:19 PM | As a Wiccan myself, I find alot of comments on this thread offensive.
Do you NOT take a child, from DAY ONE, to church, in the Catholic or whatever other religions ?
All three of my sons, aged 11, 9 and 7 are involved in our religion.
OP....get a few books of Amazon, Wicca For Beginners: Fundamentals of Philosophy & Practice (For Beginners), The Complete Idiot's Guide to Wicca, or Family Wicca: Practical Paganism for Parents And Children.
I have all three books and love them. | |
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| single mom with wiccan beliefs
Posted: 12/25/2006 6:37:05 PM | | As a Priest of Thor, I am raising my sons in the Norse Way spiritual path.....and their mom, up until recently, was raising them Catholic. She "lost her faith", so they boys are pretty much on their own with her. I feel it's important to raise our childen in OUR faith, no matter what path it is....Wiccan, Druid, Norse, Nat. Amer., Christian, etc. Children NEED rules and guidelines. Without these, they are lost and confused. They need our guidance, and look to us to lead by example. If a parent is "lost", more than likely their kids will be as well.....this is different from being an Athiest....I speak here of people who loose their faith, and simply do nothing or let their kids just wander alone. JMO | |
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| single mom with wiccan beliefs
Posted: 12/26/2006 6:35:55 PM | I hate doing what I'm about to do, because I'm sure you are a wonderful, lovely person. But I've encountered a large number of people of the "pagan/wiccan" persuasion (and I put that in quotes for a reason) who are, erm, not very well-adjusted individuals.
So I'll just begin straightaway.
Your child is 10 months old (as of the first post in this thread). As was stated by others, your incorporating her into your beliefs is entirely selfish: she couldn't care less about wicca or catholicism or pastafarians or anything like that, any effort to include her is more for you than it is for her, there is absolutely no need whatsoever to add her to whatever ideological mix you are using.
Pulling the "my ecks is a warlokk OMG!" isn't giving yourself any credibility, and will do more harm to your original intention (which I'm going to assume is advice) than good. Simply say "things didn't work out with the Babydaddy" and leave it at that, people will already imagine the guy to be an abusive jerk anyway. If you honestly think he's all into dark magic or whatever, fine: we don't need to know that.
Mentioning christians in two conflicting contexts: one being how you are surrounded by them and unsure if you should include their views in your daughter's spiritual life, and the other essentially telling them all to **** off. That little 'ty' line is only going to make them try harder. And if you are genuinely weighing whether or not to include any christian exposure for your little girl, pissing down their collective throats, even nicely, isn't going to make that task any easier.
Honestly, this entire thread reeks of High School-era "Let's play Ouija Board and pretend we're goddesses!" crap that all the low-self-esteem girls got into to try and feel better about themselves. I've read quite a few posts in this thread, and for every piece of genuine adivce, there have been at least two posts of "yah, I totally meant what you just said, lol" sort of garbage. There have been several cases where someone (I'm not naming names, mind you) out-and-out lied, someone else called them on it, and the liar simply appended their story. This isn't maturity, nor is it constructive or helpful.
Ok. I'm done being a**** Carry on. | |
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| single mom with wiccan beliefs
Posted: 12/27/2006 7:08:52 PM | Power doesn't come from the name of a faith. Power comes from within.
I've always viewed the term "witch" as rather insulting... | |
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| single mom with wiccan beliefs
Posted: 12/29/2006 3:39:58 PM | I’m not a Wiccan. But I know many. I happen to know one in your exact situation.
I must admit, some of those trances you guys into are way spooky; especially when the eyes do that funny thing they do.
Nevertheless, she’s your daughter. You should expose here to everything in due time. But don’t get angry if she chooses to not believe in what you do. | |
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| single mom with wiccan beliefs
Posted: 4/5/2007 7:43:27 PM | | Hi miss wican. I respect the fact that you have developed your own religion. I am not here to push you . Just listen to my story for a moment. I n 2005 I slipped into a coma and was almost pronounced dead. I f you think there is not a god , you are mistaken. | |
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| single mom with wiccan beliefs
Posted: 4/7/2007 11:31:35 PM | This post was sooo dead... How in hell did you find it?
P.S. What does a coma and god have to do with with wiccan beliefs? | |
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| single mom with wiccan beliefs
Posted: 4/10/2007 2:58:53 AM | Well, I do know of a ritual "Wiccaning" that mimics a Christening. But I think you're looking for more...
Your ex aside, I think your child may be too young to understand the Divine, but s/he is not too young to experience it. Sing her Pagan songs, play her Celtic music, tell her Pagan "fairy tales"... really, if your spirituality is such a rich part of your life, it should be easy to share with your child. | |
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| To: Poetic dreamer
Posted: 2/24/2008 10:10:16 PM | I am new into Wicca and but this much I know your baby sound to young to start teaching her,But like you she has a Birthday and a Birth time. I would use these tools to deside when it will be right. Your book of shadows will help you with this, so will numerology. Merry Meet,you may contact me if you want to.   | |
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| singavamp
Posted: 2/25/2008 8:09:35 AM | What's the deal w/ this "wiccan" nonsense?
This actually worse than some forms of traditional religion in that at least those forms encourage skeptical thought about their processes and beliefs.
Everybody I ever met, that espouses Wicca, does so w/ a complete lack of skepticism or critical thought.
I have yet to meet a skeptical Wiccan.
Considering that its roots lie in traditions that were largely REINVENTED during the "witch resurgence" of the late 60's/early 70's or have been created by various authors even more recently,it's difficult to take its practitioners seriously. | |
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| single mom with wiccan beliefs
Posted: 2/25/2008 6:24:20 PM | When your girls are ready and with children being the incredibly imaginative and curious creatures that they are.
They will ask YOU all kinds of questions about things like god, spirituality, death, life, and the meaning of it all, yes they even will ask about magick and if it is real or not.
It would be fairly safe to say though that you wont have to worry about such questions until they have spent some time in school at the very least.
Basically.. when the time is right you will know and know what to do for starters though, you can do everything in your power as a mom to encourage their imagination. | |
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| single mom with wiccan beliefs
Posted: 2/25/2008 6:52:45 PM | | A good friend of mine is Wiccan, but I myself find it even harder to take seriously than the other religions. | |
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