| GOV'T JUST APPROVED SUNDAY SHOPPING!!!!!
Posted: 10/4/2006 12:48:18 PM | | I guess some things arent worth voting for if it can be reversed before the next vote. I have nothing against Sunday shopping but I did vote against it , just shows that money will win over demoracy. This might mean an extra day of work for me then again not, I wonder if we can change our government in this way instead of waiting for an election ? I just think that it should have been dealt with in the next plebicite ( darn I could never spell that). Oh well it`s only Sunday after all. | |
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| GOV'T JUST APPROVED SUNDAY SHOPPING!!!!!
Posted: 10/4/2006 1:06:20 PM | For all of you people who are against it, you clearly have no idea of the beneifts this will being to our economy. Guess what? From a marketers perspective we are a normal city now. This will bring more marketing and feild promotions, which will generate more sales. More sales means more money... more money is an inviting aspect to large corporations to set up shop here. Big corps show up, and all of a sudden our skilled work force stops moving to Alberta.
It's time you people stopped living in mud huts and realise this is a step in the right direction. | |
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| GOV'T JUST APPROVED SUNDAY SHOPPING!!!!!
Posted: 10/4/2006 1:15:29 PM |
For all of you people who are against it, you clearly have no idea of the beneifts this will being to our economy.
Nice generalization there. I think people that are opposed to Sunday shopping are for a variety of reasons. And there might be economic geniuses among those very people! | |
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| GOV'T JUST APPROVED SUNDAY SHOPPING!!!!!
Posted: 10/4/2006 1:22:38 PM |
Nice generalization there. I think people that are opposed to Sunday shopping are for a variety of reasons. And there might be economic geniuses among those very people!
Clearly they're no genius if they oppose this. | |
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| GOV'T JUST APPROVED SUNDAY SHOPPING!!!!!
Posted: 10/4/2006 1:30:21 PM | | Thats not really fair to those opposed. Let them have their feelings without calling them dummies. I am a store owner and I won't be opening on a Sunday. But thats because I'm working enough hours now..I need a break. But I'm thankful for Sunday shopping, with my schedule its often very hard to get out to the stores. I think the whole Sunday shopping ban was a bunch of crap anyway. They made it all about "religious reasons" and family values. Well, families need to eat and shop. If you're going to close Walmart for religious reasons..then close the damn casino and the bars. Thats beyond hypocrisy. If you have Sundays off, spend them with your family. No one is forcing you to shop. There are some people who are going to have to work Sunday, when they never did before. But you'll get other days off work, so hopefully you'll have to adjust. I asked a kid working in Sobeys how he felt. He said, are you kidding me? I get to work Sunday now...that meant for the first time in three years he had a Friday night off. He was thrilled to get to go out with his friends for a change. Also, talk to someone like Batmeister. He works for a store that is closed on Sundays...but somehow he spends alot of Sundays working anyway. Stocking shelves, getting ready for the work week, etc. So, for alot of people..there already was Sunday shopping. | |
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| GOV'T JUST APPROVED SUNDAY SHOPPING!!!!!
Posted: 10/4/2006 1:38:03 PM | So, for alot of people..there already was Sunday shopping.
and sunday working!
when it comes right down to it...it is quite a small sector that don't already work on sundays! i know i sure do, on a need to basis.
those who don't want to shop have always been, and still are welcome not to! but those of us who do want to shop should be and are now free to.
there is already too much government legislation in our lives....i do not need them telling me when i should spend time with my family, when i should be allowed to shop, or if/when i should worshipping. | |
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| GOV'T JUST APPROVED SUNDAY SHOPPING!!!!!
Posted: 10/4/2006 1:41:06 PM | Students have the option to work more shifts, allowing them to reduce student debt. It's a win win, since they're mainly the ones who work retail anyway.
you're kidding right? - i too am full-time student and my job is such that my days off vary every few months, but as for having more hours to reduce student debt..well unless you are afforded the time on your job to be able to study - I fail to see how making more money when you could be/should be/it would be in your best interest if you were studying as you need to be able to know and apply what it is you are supposed to be learning when it comes time to testing and the like. So you save a few bucks on student debt...but your marks suffer a little...fair trade off? Hardly!
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For all of you people who are against it, you clearly have no idea of the beneifts this will being to our economy.
prove it.....honestly show me any anyone/everyone else how this is a good thing? Our economy is not retail driven...it is industry and resource driven... don't believe me...if wal-mart folds up tomorrow the stock markets won't panic all that much...if at all.....cost of crude goes above 80$ a barrell and you will see economies nose dive and panic. Having stores open here means nothing...so instead of having an influx of people saturday you will now have trickles of people on both days? But you end up paying the cost of energy for an extra day....so please.....enlighten me how this is TRULY beneficial!
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as for the more money argument...keep in mind our taxes just got cut...so there is less revenue streaming into the gov't...if they are taking less in..how is the economy making more if they are the ones who turn around and use that money to help with the economy? | |
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rottie
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Joined: 5/24/2005
Msg: 35 | |
| GOV'T JUST APPROVED SUNDAY SHOPPING!!!!!
Posted: 10/4/2006 1:49:22 PM | | I agree with Raine...goes to show how pointless voting is. I have no problem with Sunday shopping, in fact, it'll be more convenient to most people including me. My biggest beef is the fact that Nova Scotia (as a whole) voted against Sunday shopping and apparently the majority does not rule. Hell, the Quebec reforendum (bad spelling I know) was a closer vote so maybe they should declare themselves a soverign country as well. While we're at it maybe Nfld should tell Canda to piss off and rejoin England since voting in this country apparently means "Jack Shit" as Raine put it. Since there are now 7 work days in a week maybe the government should make 60 hour work weeks the standard too. Maybe the NS government should be called the Halifax government since they are continuously centralizing everything at the expense of the rural communities and small towns. Kinda makes a mockery of the word DEMOCRACY! | |
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| GOV'T JUST APPROVED SUNDAY SHOPPING!!!!!
Posted: 10/4/2006 1:55:17 PM | | I do have one way this is beneficial.. tourism. I grew up in a small town that did not even have drug stores open on Sundays. A cruise ship pulled in one day (Sunday) and half of them needed batteries, film and whatnot.. nowhere for them to shop. This was one instance that I remember specifically. Now, being a small town, they may not choose to open stores, however, when cruise ship season comes around again they will have the option to do so. | |
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| GOV'T JUST APPROVED SUNDAY SHOPPING!!!!!
Posted: 10/4/2006 1:58:48 PM | Can you please outline to be the downsides to this?
well here is my point of view to the downsides:
1. traffic will be crazy like it is the other 6 days a week, right now sundays are quieter.
2. It was a day that you tend to do other things other than shopping and i think our generation is too materialistic.
3. people who work is stores now have another day they need to work. What is essential about shopping?
4. It gave Nova Scotia an old fashioned feel I loved and I am so sad it will be gone.
Its sad I think our vote didn't count. For those who wanted it I'm sure you may be happy about it, but for the majority that voted against it,its sad that this had happened. | |
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Joined: 7/17/2005
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| GOV'T JUST APPROVED SUNDAY SHOPPING!!!!!
Posted: 10/4/2006 2:02:58 PM | All of you who are griping about the fact that a vote was useless, please keep in mind that a plebiscite is NOT a binding vote. It is simply a public opinion poll. There is nowhere in the Canadian Law that indicates that any government must do anything that has been "decided" upon by a plebiscite.
The people voted on a plebiscite, yes. The Halifax Regional Municipality voted in favour of Sunday shopping. The areas outside of HRM voted against in a sufficient number to cause the majority of the province as a whole to be a 'no' vote. The entirety of the plebiscite is completely irrelevant, however, since it is not a vote that is binding in any way, shape, or form. It is a public opinion poll. The Supreme Court ruling, however, IS binding, in that they decided that it is not illegal for the grocery stores to be open on Sunday if they so wish. The 'Lord's Day Act' renamed to the Uniform Day Off act is discriminatory against all except retail and office workers. Those in the service industry, such as hotel workers, fast food employees, and others of that nature, were not included in this alleged Uniform Day Off act. What makes retail workers better than those people that they should be guaranteed to have every Sunday off?
As I said before, I feel for those retail workers who went to work for a company expecting to have every Sunday off, however, it has always been left to the discretion of a company whether they would require someone to work on Sunday or not, and any contract of employment that I've seen holds the phrase that the company reserves the right to change hours of employment as the needs of the company indicate necessary. | |
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| GOV'T JUST APPROVED SUNDAY SHOPPING!!!!!
Posted: 10/4/2006 2:09:50 PM | i highly doubt that the opening of retail stores will hurt the flea markets...........they are 2 totally different markets as far as demographics go.
flea markets are still alive and well in all major cities i know of that have allowed regular sunday shopping for years, and in fact most have grown!
ottawa, montreal, toronto, vancouver.....not to mention most major cities around the world all have thriving sunday markets. as do numerous small cities and towns so the arguement that they have adequate populations to support them isn't relevent or the issue.
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| GOV'T JUST APPROVED SUNDAY SHOPPING!!!!!
Posted: 10/4/2006 2:11:04 PM | I lived in Ontario through the whole change through not having Sunday shopping to having Sunday shopping to almost EVERYTHING being open on a Sunday. My view? Quality of life & time on weekends isn't the same there as it used to be, and in my view is worse. An attraction for moving to Nova Scotia was that there was a "quiet" sort of day because of the lack of Sunday shopping.
Did I find no Sunday shopping here inconvenient at times? Without a doubt, yes. Would I prefer that it not change to having Sunday shopping? Yes. Looking back, in 10 years, I'd be surprised if most of you didn't agree.
BTW, just because some people choose not to shop (which is what some argue the option is) doesn't mean that the entire environment that they're in, and the rest are in, doesn't considerably change. More street noise. More flyers for more sales. And, frankly, less family time. I'll bet that that's what's shown in a few years, that NS'ers spend less time with their families.
In the U.S. people have to work EVERY day of the year except Christmas, is *that* what we want? My Mom used to say to me "If your friends jumped off a cliff, would you?"....usually when giving me heck because I did something that was clearly stupid just because others were doing it. To me, I don't buy the argument that just because other places do it "we" should too. In the U.S. efforts to stop telephone solicitation and spam have been quashed by the courts because of the "inherent right of a business to contact potential customers". Do businesses *have* rights? Do they have the right to demand to be open on Sundays? Because that is what has happened over the years. Frankly, I agree with the poster who made the point that the voters (writ large) voted against Sunday shopping, so why isn't the government going along with that outcome? Frankly, I think it's a negative day for democracy when the popular vote is ignored by a government to benefit business pressure. Apart from issues of conscience or morality, if the popular vote isn't enough for policy to be set in a Province, then we're all in trouble.
Just my two cents.
p.s. My life becomes a LOT easier with Sunday shopping........home renovations become a ton easier. | |
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| GOV'T JUST APPROVED SUNDAY SHOPPING!!!!!
Posted: 10/4/2006 2:12:07 PM | 1. Well first of all, our quaint little feel people talk about on Sundays is not shared by all including tourists who are quite shocked we have no Sunday shopping.
2. There are plenty who work through the week who would love to beable to pick up a few extra hours on the weekend
3. We are pretty much the ONLY place that doesn't have it. All the fears that were mentioned were mentioned in the other provinces too. Overall though, it has gone over very well.
4. Yes traffic will increase on Sunday, but it will be reduced on Saturday.
5. Family...yes, it was a Family day. Ofcourse, there were only certain things you could do on that day. Otherwise you had to stressfully cram it all in on Sunday. Especially for people who don't have vehicles, this extra day gives them breathing space.
What did I do with my family all those Sundays we had together? Hmmm...oh yes...I watched TV and hung out with my friends. Probably the same thing I would have done had their been Sunday shopping. | |
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| GOV'T JUST APPROVED SUNDAY SHOPPING!!!!!
Posted: 10/4/2006 2:13:23 PM | | I am far from a dummy and have over 20 years in the work force. I spent many years working 7 days a week , and when I did get a day off it wasnt on Sunday. There are alot of benifits for Sunday Shopping, cannot argue with that, and yes money, more money, and more money. When I was 22 thats all I thought about also, but with age I discovered that money isnt worth a penny if you cannot enjoy it if your working, but thats just dumb ole me. I wonder how this will affect the Sat night life if everyone has to get up early to go to work, I wonder how many late night food shacks will lose coustmers because people went home early, if thats good for the economy well I should be living in a mud hut. | |
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| GOV'T JUST APPROVED SUNDAY SHOPPING!!!!!
Posted: 10/4/2006 2:20:33 PM | | I personally don't care about sunday shopping. Even with my busy schedule I managed to be able to get what I needed the other six days of the week. The only thing that I liked about no Sunday shopping is the fact that the streets were quieter and it was nice to have a slower day and the bit of leisure that went with it. Now Sunday will be a madhouse like the rest of the week and I can busy myself watching all the little mice run through the maze to suck the big corporate T!T. | |
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| GOV'T JUST APPROVED SUNDAY SHOPPING!!!!!
Posted: 10/4/2006 2:20:58 PM | Stores stay open until 6:00 p.m. in most parts of Ontario. Many city and suburban stores are open until 9:00 p.m. at night for two, three or five weeknights. And before anyone jumps on me for this it is a direct quote from the Ontario tourism board.
So will stores remain open every weeknight till 10 pm, and will the 24 hr stores still remain open overnight? Hmmm I will be curious to see how this will work. | |
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| GOV'T JUST APPROVED SUNDAY SHOPPING!!!!!
Posted: 10/4/2006 2:26:29 PM | | I don't think Sundays will be just as crazy as other days...but who knows, maybe in time it will. But, we live in a 24/7 world and this is just a part of it. Stores will not open if they don't make a profit from it, if they do profit, then well, obviously it is the right thing for our society. Religion and family will still take priority for those who consider it a priority. For others, they now may have time to relax on a saturday perhaps, or maybe a wednesday, do their errands then. What day you have off really does not matter does it? | |
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| GOV'T JUST APPROVED SUNDAY SHOPPING!!!!!
Posted: 10/4/2006 2:57:01 PM |
Religion and family will still take priority for those who consider it a priority.
Well if you HAVE to work on Sunday, religion and family cannot take priority for obvious reasons. | |
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rottie
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Joined: 5/24/2005
Msg: 50 | |
| GOV'T JUST APPROVED SUNDAY SHOPPING!!!!!
Posted: 10/4/2006 3:12:50 PM | My point really had little to do with sunday shopping.....and since I didn't vote it's not for me to pass that judgement. If I would have voted it would probably have been a yes vote mostly as a matter of convenience . There are pros and cons to both sides. My issue was with the fact that the majority of the vote does not rule......that fact alone as I said makes a mockery of the word democracy.
Kind of like Bush saying to the world..."You are all free to do what you want....as long as I say it's OK to do so" (ok he kinda does that already... which is also a mockery of democracy...so I ask do we want to be comparable to Bush....hahaha)
Apparently it's pointless to have a vote/plebicite if the wishes of the majority are not adhered to. Guess the dollar has the greatest voting power. | |
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