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Posted: 12/14/2006 9:23:17 PM | Yes, any retail worker does many more money over xmas........... but still glad i dont work at walmart and glad i still dont have to work sundays (if i wanted to work sundays i would of gotten a real job like nurse.. cop...... dr...... but yet i got sucked into workin xmas eve and new yrs even :((... for min. wage + tips... so anyone need their hair done .. email me 
I just want to be busy while im there .... only ones they willl get me there.. my job is NOT life or death | |
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Posted: 12/16/2006 6:20:06 AM | I have worked sunday's for the past 15 years, and christmas and new years and thanksgiving and remembrance day, and labor day, victoria day, and easter...and will probably have to for another 20+....HAHAHAH....soooooooooooooooooo my feeling is , your turn na na na na na
hahaha but seriously I am glad that I now have the OPTION to shop on a sunday or not. | |
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Posted: 12/17/2006 2:27:05 AM | SUCK IT UP, what about people that have to work in hospitals, nursing homes, hotels, etc... or maybe they should all get sundays off to huh? Maybe the Drs and nurses should take off Sundays at the hospital, maybe people who work in hotels should take a sunday off, its about time everyone else has to work on Sundays and not just certian people who hold postions which makes them avaible 7 days a week. | |
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Posted: 12/18/2006 5:51:55 PM | I read this thread for no reason other than boredom. I really shouldn't have, though, because it's a pointless thread discussing something that is not going to change and is really just an opportunity for people to vent. That having been said, after reading all the posts, now *I* want to vent. Some, if not all, of what I have to say has already been said; however, some people seem to have skipped over those posts, so here goes:
1. A plebiscite is non-binding, which means governments do not have to abide by it. They do, however, have to abide by court decisions. To do otherwise would lead to anarchy.
2. Yes, the overall majority who expressed their views in the plebiscite were against Sunday shopping; however, that plebiscite became irrelevant once the matter was brought to the courts.. In this case, it was a matter of fair treatment and the court ruled appropriately.
3. Related to the above: big business did not pull the strings of the government in this case. The relationship between big business and the government of Nova Scotia had no influence on the court's decision. Said decision was based on law. You don't have to like the law, but you do have to live with it: that is your trade-off for living in an ordered society rather than an anarchical one.
4. This wasn't about forcing businesses to open, nor about forcing people to work, it was about lifting a ban that prevented them from doing so. With this in mind, it is invalid to insist that banks, law offices, and other professional establiments be open 7 days a week; they have the choice to do so, they choose not to do so. The only difference now is that all retailers have the same choice. And to reiterate what others have said: lawyers, doctors, etc. *do* work 7 days a week. Visit any major law office on a sunday, and I can guarantee you there will be people working.
5. In reference to an early post, I would love to hear from an "economic genius" who states that Sunday shopping is bad for the economy. While I admit to having avoided economics courses in university, I do have some grasp of capitalist ideology: free flow of capital = good, restrictions on same = bad. Therefore, constraints (such as those on Sunday shopping) on when a business can operate in a free market economy are things to be avoided.
6. In relation to the above: we live in a capitalist economy - deal with it. No, it's not pure capitalism, but don't bother going down that road because there is no such thing as a "pure" system. Yes, it is a mixed market, but one that is distinctively on the 'free market' side of the spectrum.
7. Re: the argument that it doesn't do students any good, because it takes more time away from their studies. I have two words for the person with that objection: time management. As an undergrad, one term I had 6 courses, worked 32 hours a week, attended Kung Fu, and still managed an 8.6 ave. on a 9 point scale. If you can't spend more time working, that is your situation; other students would be happy for more hours.
8. Re: the 'family time' argument. My father was a cop, and my mother often worked long hours, including weekends. Somehow, we managed to plan family time around their schedules, including vacations. Whether or not you spend quality family time together is not dependent on having Sundays off.
9. Re: the idea that it takes away from the 'old-fashioned' atmosphere in Nova Scotia. Well, I moved out here a year and a half ago. The old-fashioned atmosphere came from the historic buildings, etc. As far as the ban on Sunday shopping: outsiders don't consider that 'old-fashioned', they consider it antiquated (and not in a good way).
10. Re: the post "credit+consumption=debt, Nova Scotia+Sunday shopping=more debt". I come from Alberta, where I long enjoyed shopping on Sunday. Do I need to point out the state of Alberta's debt?
11. Re: the idea of choice. Yes, I'm sure that when you chose to work at Wal-mart, you did so with the idea that you would have Sundays off. Well, you still have the choice to go work elsewhere if you wish.
12. In regards to holidays in general. I am fully behind Remembrance Day as the only holiday. Other faiths don't celebrate Christmas, Easter, etc. If you want to make certain religious celebrations stat holidays, you start down a slippery slope. Remembrance Day has nothing to do with religion: it has to do with honouring those who were willing to put their lives on the line so that you are free to complain about things like Sunday shopping.
13. Further to the above: when I worked in a wage position, we were compensated for working holidays. If it's not the same out here, your issue should be with the labour laws, not the lifting of this ban.
14. Regarding increase costs of transit and policing. In places with Sunday shopping, transit is still decreased on the weekends; transit schedules alter to adjust to ridership, not store hours. As for policing: sorry to break it to you, but having a few more shoplifiting calls on a sunday is not going to result in a sudden increase in police expenditures.
15. BRO TIM: (re: post 145) you have no clue about the labour market or cost of living out west. There are more jobs out there and they pay more money. I found the cost of renting between Halifax and Edmonton to be pretty similar, but pretty much everything else is cheaper out there. Even the simple things, like milk, cost more out here. And then there is that extra tax in Nova Scotia... And more income tax in Nova Scotia...
16. And finally, I must address what surely has to be the most inane statement I have read here. From post 193 - 'if governments weren't for profit, they wouldn't have budgets.' HUH??? News flash: every organization needs a budget. Charities have budgets. You know - those places to which you make donations and in return to get a tax receipt which they can issue because they are *not for profit*.
okay, rant done. If you've read all the way through this, I am both impressed and amazed. If you are considering composing hate-mail, don't bother - I will only find it amusing.
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Posted: 12/18/2006 7:13:32 PM | | I am so over arguing about this subject, but I am not over arguing with someone who is living 'here' but brags up another province. If it is so grand out in Alberta and it sucks here, why are you here, instead of Alberta? Just a question... | |
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Posted: 12/18/2006 7:38:14 PM | *sigh*
At no point did I say "it is so grand out in Alberta and it sucks here". I pointed out the economy is better there; that is a simple fact. Part of that is due to the right-wing approach to economics taken by a conservative goverment; it did not come without a cost, but the bottom line is the economy is strong out there. Pointing out a positive aspect of another province is not "bragging it up". Truth be told, I would have a hard time choosing between the two provinces, because there are things I love about both of them.
I am out here working on my PhD. The decision to go to Dalhousie had nothing to do with location, and everything to do with the opportunity to work with a specific professor. That being said, everybody who asks me how I am liking it out here generally hears about how much I love it - except that I miss the wide open spaces . So if you are interpreting my post as 'bragging up' Alberta and/or trashing Nova Scotia, you are reading way too much into it.
I have nothing against a good argument; however, please base it on something I said, not something you incorrectly read into it.
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| GOV'T JUST APPROVED SUNDAY SHOPPING!!!!!
Posted: 12/19/2006 2:47:30 AM | Ohhh I am sorry, of course I misread/misinterpreted it. It must be the glorious salt air rusting my brain.
OT: I will be home finishing up the last minute touches this Sunday. Eggnog anyone? | |
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| GOV'T JUST APPROVED SUNDAY SHOPPING!!!!!
Posted: 2/10/2007 5:02:55 PM | It's February now and Sunday shopping has been around for 3-4 months. Here's what i'm seeing.
1) People that work on Sunday now in the retail industry are working 6-7 days a week less hours though but they aren't happy.
2) Most malls are closing at 6pm on Saturdays. What's the logic in that? I'd rather shop that night if i could since i already am busy most Sundays and am not interested in shopping on Sundays with the lesser bus service and all.
3) Flea Markets are very few and dieing horribly .... the sucky ones open during the day, the good ones during the night only. Who wants to walk around the flea markets on a Sunday night is what i'm hearing alot. People would rather things go back the way they used to be with the flea markets. I miss the old days too when you could make money there.
4) Most businesses are hurting big time and the only businesses that really benefit from Sunday shopping during the majority of the year is places like Walmart, Zellers, grocery stores, home hardware places, pharmacies, and video game/movie rental stores.
This is what i'm seeing. So is it really a positive thing in Nova Scotia or is it better to just let places open that want to open? Leave the option open to the businesses rather then the government? or to the people? | |
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Posted: 2/11/2007 2:17:52 PM | Let's other then this post you made I've yet to hear anything bad... But i think your a bit biased as you sell used games repackaged at flea markets for prices close to what unopened ones would cost. I have family/friends that work sundays and I, myself work sundays from time to time..no clomplaints at all from me, them or anyone they know that works sundays.
Tim
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| GOV'T JUST APPROVED SUNDAY SHOPPING!!!!!
Posted: 2/11/2007 5:12:50 PM | Actually my opinion was more neutral then anything else. I was just stating what is going on dealing with sunday shopping and letting people make up their minds.
I see both sides to it. I'm not selling at the flea markets anymore so i'm not as biased as i would have been a few months ago. I see both advantages and disadvantages to it. | |
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Posted: 2/11/2007 5:23:08 PM | Aaramlias:
4) Most businesses are hurting big time and the only businesses that really benefit from Sunday shopping during the majority of the year is places like Walmart, Zellers, grocery stores, home hardware places, pharmacies, and video game/movie rental stores.
Could you please show me something to back this up?
And for the record... most game/movie rental stores (I'm assuming you mean places like Blockbuster, Rogers, and Video Difference [side note, VD is the best video store ever]), were already allowed to be open Sundays.
But I am skeptical of the "hurting big time", until I see something to qualify that statement. | |
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Posted: 2/11/2007 6:30:45 PM | I talk to alot of smaller businesses owner and managers and alot of them are telling me that they aren't benefiting from Sunday shopping. Also I personally have been going in the malls off and on and noticing that not alot of people are shopping. Around Christmas the malls were crazy though but people just spread out amongst the days rather then more shopping.
Big businesses are doing well mind you. I added in the businesses that were already opened there because it they really aren't being hurt by Sunday shopping except maybe some businesses that relied on the bigger businesses being closed on the Sundays.
Remember i'm not saying things are completely bad .. there's balances. | |
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Posted: 5/10/2009 10:32:50 AM | An extra 50-52 days of the year where we as people feel that we must get into our cars and buy gasoline (is that why the prices are so high?) and pollute the environment so that we can go and find some bargains? oh yeah.... all those stores that are now open on Sundays (and not closed), are using electricity to power their lights, A/C, and heat so that people can shop? (is that why the hydro rates keep going up?)
Prior to Sunday shopping, I don't recall people starving to death because they couldn't shop on Sundays. I don't recall people owing as much credit on their plastic back then as they do now (we are now seeing record breaking numbers, people owe more money today than they've ever had).
All of this Sunday shopping was supposed to help the economy (we are now in a recession, so what is it doing now?), it was supposed to stop people from crossing the border into the U.S. to do their shopping (yet people still cross there because their prices are still better). It was supposed to make the Canadian dollar more competitive with the U.S. dollar (and when sunday shopping became law, the dollar dropped to a record breaking 62 cents, before finally going up in recent years, and now it's dropped again).
I could go on and on. But in today's financial situation, where people are losing their jobs, their homes, and owe more money than ever, with credit card companies and banks jacking their rates up on all of us, and with pollution levels where they are, how much is Sunday shopping contributing to all of that? | |
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Posted: 5/10/2009 12:04:21 PM | | Dude, you're reading too much into this Sunday Shopping. It's just another day of the week. People will be driving their cars , electricity will still be used regardless of Sunday shopping!! | |
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Posted: 5/10/2009 5:07:31 PM |
An extra 50-52 days of the year where we as people feel that we must get into our cars and buy gasoline (is that why the prices are so high?) and pollute the environment so that we can go and find some bargains? oh yeah.... all those stores that are now open on Sundays (and not closed), are using electricity to power their lights, A/C, and heat so that people can shop? (is that why the hydro rates keep going up?)
Prior to Sunday shopping, I don't recall people starving to death because they couldn't shop on Sundays. I don't recall people owing as much credit on their plastic back then as they do now (we are now seeing record breaking numbers, people owe more money today than they've ever had).
All of this Sunday shopping was supposed to help the economy (we are now in a recession, so what is it doing now?), it was supposed to stop people from crossing the border into the U.S. to do their shopping (yet people still cross there because their prices are still better). It was supposed to make the Canadian dollar more competitive with the U.S. dollar (and when sunday shopping became law, the dollar dropped to a record breaking 62 cents, before finally going up in recent years, and now it's dropped again).
I could go on and on. But in today's financial situation, where people are losing their jobs, their homes, and owe more money than ever, with credit card companies and banks jacking their rates up on all of us, and with pollution levels where they are, how much is Sunday shopping contributing to all of that?
That is one epic fail at logic. | |
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Posted: 5/26/2009 6:27:44 PM | | During the hottest days of the summer, the media are always quick to point out how much electricity we used for those days, usually in the 10's of thousands of MEGA watts. One thing the media NEVER do is take the same readings on days like Easter, Christmas, or another STAT holidays (Family Day) where most workplaces (including retail stores) are closed. I wonder why that is? Hmmmmmmmm.... | |
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Posted: 5/26/2009 6:48:41 PM | The media takes readings??? I don't think so.
Also, you're from Ont. A much larger population base and thus would use more electricity.
Do you live your life in conspiracy theories?
Just trolling this thread dude?? | |
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Posted: 5/26/2009 6:52:14 PM | | What are you talking about ? conspiracy threories? No, I'm not one those guys that came up with that 9/11 stuff. I'm just speaking facts. When the days in the summer become very hot, it seems we always hear about how much electricity we have been consuming for that day. That information is provided to YOU by the news (ummm that would be media). | |
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Posted: 5/26/2009 6:55:11 PM |
...During the hottest days of the summer, the media are always quick to point out how much electricity we used for those days, usually in the 10's of thousands of MEGA watts. One thing the media NEVER do is take the same readings on days like Easter, Christmas, or another STAT holidays (Family Day) where most workplaces (including retail stores) are closed. I wonder why that is?...
Probably because no one cares.
I am also pretty sure the media is not taking any "readings" I would say they are using information provided to them by the local power company.
So if you are curious call them up (power company) and see if they will provide you with that data and then you will have your answer.
I will go out on a limb and say there is no significant difference if not maybe an increase in power consumption as more people are in their homes during a stat holiday and net you may see more power consumed. | |
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Posted: 5/27/2009 3:51:07 AM | It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that if the stores are open, overhead is being used. Also there are more cars on the road travelling to said stores, therefore more gas/aka energy is being used.
Which I know has been covered in this thread before.
So our visitor above isn't spouting nonsense. Is he? | |
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Posted: 5/27/2009 6:09:35 AM |
... Also there are more cars on the road travelling to said stores, therefore more gas/aka energy is being used...
People are still going to drive and now you have more potential drivers on the road, because the ones that would have been working are now free to drive somewhere.
It all comes out in the wash.
...So our visitor above isn't spouting nonsense. Is he?...
Yes, very much so. | |
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Posted: 5/27/2009 9:26:37 AM |
People are still going to drive and now you have more potential drivers on the road, because the ones that would have been working are now free to drive somewhere.
Oh come on... That is utter nonsense to me, and maybe a few million others!
Of course there are more cars on the road with people driving to those stores.
I don't imagine those same people would be driving aimlessly around in circles if the stores weren't open.
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