| What's the big deal?
Posted: 10/15/2006 12:47:09 PM | My point is that many of the same women that make off the cuff remarks and comments about what men should do with their bodies are the same women that would raise holly hell if a man told a woman what she can do with hers. The choice on weather or not to get a vasectomy rests with the man and the man alone. Good point. If the tables were turned, I'm sure there would be hell to pay. I think of it this way, I tend to think, before I say something, how would I feel if I were in the other persons shoes. | |
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Posted: 10/15/2006 1:42:04 PM | More like a "certified moonbat"!
Your post is complete crap and extremely hard on the eyes. Next time use a link, some decent sources and good logic. Were you drinking when you wrote this? | |
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| Vasectomy - what's the big deal?
Posted: 10/16/2006 1:26:09 AM | ah yes, women telling a man what to do. :) shocking.
personally, it's not a big deal, not scary at all. should look into the fact that there are no-scalp methods now. it's not that big of a deal. no knives coming near the precious penis and testicles. plus, at least from what i've heard, to do the sperm sample, you can do it at home and bring your samples to the lab.
sounds pretty harmless to me.
i guess i have the more interesting social question:
if a guy has had a vasectomy, does he let the women he's dating know?
let's just say that more than a few women claim to be on the pill and get pregnant on purpose.
so is it fairplay for men to not be able to have children and have a woman trying to get pregnant with him, especially when she knows he doesn't want children?
guess these may be moral delima's i'll face. | |
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| Vasectomy - what's the big deal?
Posted: 10/16/2006 1:48:13 AM | | There is no big deal to a vasectomy. I had this procedure done when I was 30 years young due to meeting a beautiful lady that had a child out of marriage and she did not want anymore and neither did I. So, we were engaged and I had it done, went straight back to work the very same day. Unfortunately, the engagement did not last but for a couple of months and here I am, LOL..Should a man on PlentyOfFish let the ladies on here know of the procedure in his profile is my big question??????? Also, if a man with this procedure meets a woman and marries her and she wishes to have children a reversible procedure can be done in order for the man to have children. My best friend did this to prove my point. Alot of men thinks that after this procedure that their climax will not be the same, but believe me, your climax is tripled mainly due to the fact that when you climax you are not thinking about the woman getting pregnant possibly..This mentally of thinking while making love to a woman after this procedure is truly amazing..Believe me, I know from experience now for 19 years, LOL..Best Regards To All, Phil | |
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| Vasectomy - what's the big deal?
Posted: 10/16/2006 2:04:37 AM | Money and fear of surgeries I guess. Some may not want to close the door on having kids since they know they might change their mind.
Some might like donating sperm:) | |
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| Vasectomy - what's the big deal?
Posted: 10/16/2006 4:24:24 AM | Seems like some people are having surgery based on what relationships they are in at the time the way they are describing it.
Question: if you're done having kids, does it matter if you end up single again? You still don't want kids whether you stay in the relationship or not. Why would you have to change that decision or regret the surgery? I find that strange.
You'd just find someone who's ok with not having any/more kids...I would imagine. | |
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| Vasectomy - what's the big deal?
Posted: 10/18/2006 3:30:53 AM | i just know i haven't wanted to have children my entire adult life, but told myself i'd wait until i was 30 before making that drastic of a decision, not to mention it would probably be hard for a doctor to do it at 20 anyways. but i'm scheduled to do it in December, no scalp method, and have never for a day changed my mind. i've had a few relationships end because i don't want children, and i don't plan to ever change my mind. it's my body, my sperm, and if i make the choice not to have children, it's my choice.
it's also been my biggest sexual hang-up. i'm so freaked out about getting someone pregnant, that i think it actually has hurt my sex life in the past. you know you don't want kids when you put getting a woman pregnant right up there in your fears with dying and being paralyzed for life. | |
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| Vasectomy - what's the big deal?
Posted: 10/18/2006 11:38:32 AM | | Don't know what the big deal is. Had one years ago. It took about 15 minutes in the doctor's office with local anesthesia. Virtually painless, less uncomfortable than having a cavity filled. Slight tenderness for a few days. Didn't require ice packs. The worst thing about the proceedure was having to wait a few days to get it on with my new girlfriend and then having to go on using birth control for several weeks to make sure my "plumbing" was clear of live sperm. It made sex much freer and more enjoyable for both of us. | |
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| Vasectomy - what's the big deal?
Posted: 10/18/2006 7:24:39 PM | | I too had it done. I had minor complications, but I am all too aware that they were insignificant in comparison to what women have to go through to get the same task accomplished. Both in discomfort and risk. I didn't do it for anyone but myself though. I do not want any more children of my own, and it seems the responsible thing to do in that case. I would never try and tell anyone else what to do with their own bodies or what choices they have available. Nor would I take kindly to someone else doing likewise. | |
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| Vasectomy - what's the big deal?
Posted: 10/18/2006 10:06:36 PM | yes i would say he should say something from experience eh.
what to do in a similar situation man was snipped from previous marriage but his new girlfriend wants to have another kid what to do then eh? | |
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| Vasectomy - what's the big deal?
Posted: 10/19/2006 6:28:29 AM |
what to do in a similar situation man was snipped from previous marriage but his new girlfriend wants to have another kid what to do then eh?
This is my point. Are people running around having surgeries for their SOs? That's pretty stupid. If you don't want any more, have the surgery. If you do want more, then don't have the surgery, it's pretty black and white - what does your marital status have to do with it?
Answer to the question: The new girlfriend should already know it ain't gonna happen or she moves on - I would HOPE it would be discussed in the beginning of the relationship. If you haven't told her, now's a good time, sheesh. You tell her you're done having kids, and that's it - plain and simple. | |
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| Vasectomy - what's the big deal?
Posted: 10/19/2006 7:16:04 AM | oh, you are under informed.
You have general anesthesia. That's the local part. The pulling of your pipes still hurts. You are still cut, so when the anesthesia wears off, then comes the burn and other discomfort.
All that said, I don't think it's the procedure. For me, I had it done years ago. Now I'm going through divorce.
For some women, not getting them pregnant is a good thing. But it also illiminates the pool of women who want to have a baby with their man. It doesn't seem fair - she can still offer pregnancy to a man, I could not a woman. That's just how it worked out. I am a man and I made the decision, so I am ok with it.
The finallity of it is more the issue than the process. And YES! You feel it.
Peace.
/Dave | |
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| Vasectomy - what's the big deal?
Posted: 10/19/2006 7:42:16 AM | feel bad for that lady- try laying on the delivery table after baby is delivered trying to tell the doctor I feel him stitching me up down there because they didn't give me enough anestesia | |
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| Vasectomy - what's the big deal?
Posted: 10/19/2006 10:03:32 AM | Whats the Big deal, if your a Woman None ! But if you were a Man once read below ! Me, I'am still King Of Beasts ! I still can make pretty Blonde hair Blue Eye'd Babys ! So Who's Your Daddy ?
What happens to the sperm? After a vasectomy the sperm production is the same as before, around 50,000 spermatozoa every minute. They pile up in the epiditimus and it can blow out, like putting too much air in a tire. Wherever they go, they still have no normal exit, so these cells have to be either consumed by destroyer cells (macrophages) or degenerate and produce antigens which cause antibodies to be produced that will remove the sperm from the system. These antigens frequently will infiltrate into the bloodstream and other cells throughout the body begin to manufacture antibodies against the sperm. These are "anti-sperm autoantibodies."
One study concluded that the immunologic response to sperm antigen that often accompanies vasectomy can exacerbate atheroclerosis. Atherosclerotic diseases, such as coronary thrombosis, pulmonary embolism, thrombophlebitis, arteritis, and angina pectoris, are aggravated by high cholesterol intake, which accurately describes the diet of American males.
Dr. Roberts' analysis of his own patients found a high correlation between systemic diseases and men with fairly recent vasectomies. He noted sudden occurrences of thrombophlebitis, pulmonary embolism, lymph node enlargements, joint inflammation, severe narcolepsy (uncontrollable sleeping), hypoglycemia, diabetes mellitus, hormonal imbalances, liver
dysfunctions, skin eruptions, inflammation of the heart lining, inflamed prostate glands, pulmonary fibrosis, allergic disorders, acute multiple sclerosis, and altered blood coagulation. According to Roberts, "Their patterns of response suggest a cause-and-effect relation between vasectomy and various disorders, especially in light of the fact that the majority had enjoyed good health before surgery ."
Hundreds of medical research articles and several books by numerous doctors over the last three decades have examined the issues of vasectomy and the effects the procedure can have on the body. A partial list of these articles can be found in the reference section of the / dontfixit. / org site. Unfortunately, much of that information has been well concealed from the public eye. Studies and cases have described findings of increased incidences of many disorders, including:
· Adrenal gland dysfunction
· Atheosclerosis (hardening of the arteries leading to heart disease)
· Autoimmune orchitis (degeneration of testicular tissues due to antibody action)
· Chronic inflammation including the formation of sperm granulomas
· Chronic testicular pain (Post-Vasectomy Pain Syndrome)
· Circulatory problems including phlebitis
· Congestive and infectious epididymitis
· Decreased testicular function including changes in testosterone production
· Diabetes
· Erectile dysfunction/impotence
· Gangrene of the scrotum and other serious infections
· Generalized lymph node enlargement
· Hypoglycemia
· Life-long autoimmune (allergic) responses
· Liver dysfunction
· Loss of libido
· Lung cancer
· Lupus
· Migraine and other related headaches
· Multiple myeloma
· Multiple sclerosis
· Narcolepsy
· Neuropathy (nerve pain and damage)
· Non-Hodgkins lymphoma
· Personality disturbances
· Prostate cancer
· Prostatitis
· Pulmonary embolism
· Rheumatoid arthritis
· Scrotal and epididymal cyst formation including Spermatocele and Hydrocele cysts
· Staph infections including infections of the heart valves
· Testicular atrophy (shrinking of the testicles)
· Testicular cancer
· Urolithiasis (kidney stones).
· Vasitis nodosa (chronic inflammation of the vas deferens)
According to Dr. Talma Samuel and Dr. Noel Rose in the 1980 Journal of Clinical and Laboratory Immunology, “Having been induced by the individual’s own untreated [sperm] antigen… the response [to vasectomy] justifies the most rigorous definition of autoimmunity. The wide scale use of vasectomy, therefore, provides the clinical immunologist with a unique opportunity to study a longstanding, induced autoimmune response in otherwise normal human subjects.”
Over 100 million men have unwittingly participated in this experiment. You need to ask yourself if you want to do the same.
Health Risks of Tubal Ligation, thats another storie !  | |
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| Vasectomy - what's the big deal?
Posted: 10/22/2006 7:37:13 PM | Like the way tonyagirl thinks...our bodies..our selves..our decisions.
Personally, I'm staying connected in case the asteroid hits!  | |
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| Vasectomy - what's the big deal?
Posted: 10/23/2006 5:46:40 AM | Have been on both ends of the vasectomy knife.....
Had mine years back after our 3rd child. Was relatively painless, altho a bit "uncomfortable" for a week or so after. 8 years and a divorce later...... my much younger g/f and I decided that we wanted to have a child. Went thru the reversal process..... now THAT left me walking funny for a few weeks! Unfortunately, the operation was a failure, in spite of the 85% success rate that had been offered as an almost sure thing by the doctors. The "practice" for the next 6 yrs was fun but ultimately her racing biological clock won out, she left to have kids of her own.
So... be careful what you wish for...what seems like such a great idea may come back to bite you in the ass somewhere down the road!
"My wife ran off with my best friend...... sure gonna miss him!" | |
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| Vasectomy - what's the big deal?
Posted: 10/23/2006 11:02:51 AM |
i guess i have the more interesting social question:
if a guy has had a vasectomy, does he let the women he's dating know?
ABSOLUTELY Twofeetremoved! This is vital information. If you are of child bearing years and want more children, you need this information to help you decide if this is the right man for you.
On the other hand, if you are on the pill, don't want any more children and would LOVE to meet a man who has already had the procedure...he sure as he.ll is going to look a lot more attractive to you now. | |
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| Vasectomy - what's the big deal?
Posted: 10/23/2006 12:40:37 PM | I had it done over eight years ago, it was quick and relatively easy, I got to lay around all weekend and let the wife wait on me,  and sex with no worries about having any more kids was a great thing. 
It's been even better since my divorce, every lady I had the pleasure of dating was quite happy that there were no chances of getting pregnant as all of them were still very fertile.
Current girlfriend and I were getting a little steamy one evening in the beginning of our relationship, she pulled away and rolled to the other side of the couch and said " I guess I have to to go to the Dr. and get back on the pill" to which I replied "that will not be necessary" She looked at me ???? I explained, and she rolled right back over to my side of the couch, as there was now no need to restrain ourselves.... we didn't  | |
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| Vasectomy - what's the big deal?
Posted: 10/23/2006 2:52:08 PM | Msg 17 - actually you do need anesthesia for the Essure procedure...and there's no way I'd want them putting what they use for it in my fallopian tubes; also, it's irreversible, unlike other procedures. Vasectomy is much less invasive than the other female sterilization procedures; men I know that have had one say it's not painful - it's the reversing it that's the painful procedure and many vasectomies can be reversed, as can many female procedures. If a man is that concerned about unwanted pregnancy and knows he doesn't ever want kids, then he can have a vasectomy, use a condom and spermicide, or abstain if he's unsure about the woman's contraceptive use.
http://www.essure.com/EssurePermanentBirthControlbyConceptus/Understanding/QuestionsAnswers/tabid/59/Default.aspx | |
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| Vasectomy - what's the big deal?
Posted: 10/23/2006 3:45:14 PM | | I used to think that I'd rather have brain surgery than get cut "down there". But I did get it done and it wasn't that bad and now I don't have to worry about any unexpected kiddies. It makes me very happy that I did it. Come on, men! Don't be wussies. If women can $hit the equivalent of watermelons out of a hole that is WAY too small during birth, we can take a little pain to get fixed! | |
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| Vasectomy - what's the big deal?
Posted: 10/23/2006 8:58:39 PM | I had it done. Literaly a week after my Ex-wife moved out!
It's nothing to wuss out at. GET ER DONE!
Trust me, it's better than having unwanted kids! | |
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